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C-68/17 Reference 86(2)+ and Second Amendment, Mortally Victimizes Carpenter Family



Letter to N.C. General Assembly:


Grandmother of Slain Children Protests Trigger Locks and Mandatory Gun Storage


Mary Carpenter

April 20, 2001


North Carolina General Assembly
To Whom It May Concern,



To my understanding you are debating the passage of laws requiring trigger locks and mandatory storage of guns. I am a second generation resident of the State of California, a mother and a grieving grandmother. I wish to express to you how trigger locks and mandatory storage laws in the State of California affected my family. I hope my testimony may save someone in your state from sharing the pain we must now endure for the remainder of our lives. No law you can pass will keep the irresponsible from shooting accidents or a felon from stealing a gun. I am enclosing a portion of a letter I wrote to my own state legislators concerning the constant progression of laws restricting our guns in my state.



Depending on whether or not you truly care, you may or may not recognize my name. I am the paternal grandmother of the two children who were brutally murdered inside their rural Merced California home on August 23, 2000 by a stranger with a pitchfork.



Instead of suing gun manufacturers, I am of the opinion it is our lawmakers who need to be sued. It was you who created the laws that kept my grandchildren from being able to defend themselves with any weapon greater than their bare hands. All of my son's children had been trained in the use of firearms but were unable to get to their Dad's weapon because of California State Law.



You, who have CCW permits or armed bodyguards, or both expect me to face a society gone mad because of drug-altered brains and lax laws on the perpetrators of crime? You had no room in your prisons for the killer of my grandchildren though his wife had reported to the police in Mojave California in June of 1997 that he had forced her and their infant son into his car (kidnapping) while living in southern California? At that time she also reported how she had managed to escape from him in Mojave after he held a gun to her head (assault with a deadly weapon) threatening to kill her and their one-month-old child? Though more recently she had given to the Dos Palos California Police Dept. the tape from her message minder threatening to kill her present husband? Though he had assaulted a police officer while resisting arrest for drug charges? Though he had violated his parole by not appearing at his hearing and they had a warrant out for his arrest? Though they knew where he lived, and also his mother and grandmother, yet failed to pick him up?


Will you then find room for my son in your prisons should his fourteen-year-old daughter have access to his gun while she is babysitting her siblings?



There is a growing list, in my area alone, of people (mostly women) who might still be alive had they not been in a state where the use of a gun was prohibited. Juli Sund, Carole Sund, Selvina Pelosso, Joie Armstrong, Ashley and John William Carpenter to name a few. Lawmakers talk big about a woman's right to choose yet don't allow me the very basic right to choose to defend myself? If teachers were allowed to carry a concealed weapon to school you would see the school shootings disappear. The same is true with the citizen on the street. The reason is, these killers are cowards. You can tell by their choice of victims. They operate best where they know there are no guns.



Look at your child tonight and imagine him or her with their eyes jabbed out, their skulls splintered, their brains pierced, and their spines broken with the heavy tines of a spading fork. In defending her sisters to the death with the only weapon you allowed her, Ashley had 138 puncture wounds. Twenty-nine of them were on the right side of her face, five on the back of her head, and thirty-seven to her chest and lower neck. (Obviously he was trying to behead her.) She was nine years old. While committing no crime greater than sleeping in his parents bed, in his own house, John William, 7 years old, was stabbed 46 times, with most of them in the chest, neck, and head. Depending on the condition of your heart, you may or may not feel a small measure of the pain my family and I must endure for the remainder of our lives.



Now, imagine all the gun laws you can dream up and honestly admit whether or not they would have stopped such a mad dog as this. This man was a total stranger to the family, and other than a trace of marijuana, was not on drugs at the time. However, by the testimony of his wife and girlfriend, he was a drug user who became frightening whenever he used them. All your imagined gun laws will do is insure someone's children will die again. Take a drive downtown and see for yourself all the drug addled brains.

You may declare gun free zones, but you cannot declare killer free zones.


This tragedy has made me realize I am not even safe in my locked home, my barn, or my backyard. I dare you to request the autopsy reports of John William & Ashley Danielle Carpenter done on August 28,2000 from Sheriff Tom Sawyer of the Merced County Sheriffs Dept. Also ask him for the police interview with the killer's wife and girlfriend telling about his drug use and devil worship. Ask Detective Parsley about his fetish for horror movies produced by a John Carpenter, (no relation to us), and one he especially liked, that we have learned depicts a killing done with a pitchfork. His last employment was as a telemarketer in Merced. If you have an honest bone in your body you will see this country is in desperate need of a change of heart not the gun laws that have been in place for over two hundred years. All the gun laws you can imagine cannot change the heart of a killer and you know it. Until man's heart is changed, we will be like sheep led to the slaughter without our weapons of defense. May you stand before God and man as my two precious grandchildren's killer if you pass any more gun legislation that will make me a felon should I own a handgun or any other gun for that matter.

Sincerely,
Mary Carpenter

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*There are Myriads of these Trigger Lock/Disarmament Related Victims, like:*

"Little IAN and the Bear"

"Baby girl killed in bear attack"

So, What is being Done for Mary Carpenter and Other Disarmed Victims?

They wrote yet another Bill, called:

Bill 61:

(1) No person shall sell a firearm that does not have a secure locking device incorporated into its design unless the purchaser is provided with or purchases a secure locking device for that firearm at the
time of the sale.

(2) No person shall sell a firearm manufactured after the day
this Act comes into force if the firearm does not have a secure locking device incorporated into its design."


I wonder if these guys are bit slightly advanced or something, this is getting laughable, UN [iansa] ideas are too ludicrous and inconceivable to discuss yet...

If the firearms natural safety, and trigger lock, isn't weird enough already, they just simply insist on the most incredibly pricey ideas as well!

This
Bill 61 will be known as a moronic economic Gov't incentive for the already "starving" firearm manufacturers, of which the manufacturers, have already admitted, that they, don't intend to comply with!


Here's another epitome insult action of to the human race!

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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:14:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Bruce Mills <akimoya@sprint.ca>
Subject: Man lands in jail over pellet gun



Man lands in jail over pellet gun

Review of statement by neighbour spurs release after nine days in custody

By KIRK MAKIN
JUSTICE REPORTER
Saturday, January 18, 2003 – Print Edition, Page A5

Arriving home at 8 a.m. from his graveyard shift, Tim Lacasse decided to put up
a target in his back yard and test out a pellet gun he had borrowed from a
friend.

It quickly dawned on Mr. Lacasse that he might wake up the neighbourhood, so he
returned indoors and washed the dishes. He was nearly asleep when police banged
on his door.

Mr. Lacasse's personal descent into hell was under way.

Mr. Lacasse, 43, said in an interview that one officer told him as they
searched his house, "I guarantee I'm going to make your life miserable. And if
you say a word, I'll handcuff you to the railing for the rest of the day."

He was charged with pointing a firearm at a widow in her sixties who lived next
door, assault with a weapon and possessing a dangerous weapon. Mr. Lacasse was
whisked away in handcuffs and put in Toronto's Don Jail.

Denied bail, the bakery delivery man spent five of the next nine days
sleeping on floors in the chronically overcrowded jail. He said he could not
change his filthy clothes and was repeatedly threatened by inmates and guards.

Mr. Lacasse also said that he spent one night sharing a cell that was strewn
with feces and garbage. "It turned out that the other guy had TB and nobody
would clean his room," Mr. Lacasse said in the interview.

"I was on the verge of panic. Nobody even knew where I was. I had to beg a guard
to let me make just one phone call. My head was spinning over how fast I had
gone from being a contributing member of society to being in jail accused of
pointing a weapon at a 65-year-old woman."

Mr. Lacasse said he has often thought about the five years he backpacked around
South America and Africa without coming to any harm. "That this kind of thing
could happen here in my own country blows my mind," he said.

On the ninth day of his incarceration, a troubling problem emerged for the
Crown. It had no real evidence to back up the charges. A police review of the
neighbour's police statement revealed that she had said Mr. Lacasse never
pointed the pellet gun at her.

Mr. Lacasse was released. He recently filed a $1-million
malicious-prosecution lawsuit against Toronto Police Chief Julian Fantino and
seven officers.

A statement of claim prepared by lawyer Sean Dewart alleges that the
police knowingly placed false information in the case record, causing the Crown
to oppose bail for Mr. Lacasse, a man with no criminal record or history of
violence.

"The police wield incredible power in deciding whether or not to lay
charges," Mr. Dewart said in an interview. "Once the criminal process is put in
motion the results are grave, as Mr. Lacasse's jail experience demonstrates. His
ultimate vindication does not undo the harm caused by what can most charitably
be described as recklessness on the part of police in this case."

In their statement of defence, the police maintain they acted in good faith.
They say that Mr. Lacasse should have known he would frighten his neighbour by
carrying a gun into his back yard.

The police say Mr. Lacasse never told them about trying some target
practice in the back yard and that he authored his own misfortune by saying
initially that he didn't have a firearm.

Mr. Lacasse acknowledged that in his confusion, he did lie about having the
weapon. "I don't think that lie excuses them of responsibility," he added.

Mr. Lacasse said he called police a few weeks before the incident after his
neighbour launched some cat droppings over the fence and was told that the
police believed she suffered from Alzheimer's disease.

Mr. Lacasse said he approached an area church for mediation help. A
mediation session was set up for Aug. 25, by which time Mr. Lacasse was
stuck in the Don Jail.

"If they had just dropped all the charges and admitted they had made a
mistake from the start, I probably would have just dropped the whole thing," Mr.
Lacasse said yesterday.

Copyright © 2002 Bell Globemedia Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Eventually Mr. Lacasse was Awarded $50,000.00 for his troubles and possible TB infection....big Deal...heh!



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What Bill c-68/17 has done so far:

c-68/17 has failed because it has already cost one life
c-68/17 has failed to receive the support and cooperation of the majority of provinces
c-68/17 has failed to meet cost estimates as promised to Parliament
c-68/17 has failed to meet the cost-recovery plan as promised to Parliament
c-68/17 has likely cost more than $300 million in fiscal year 2000/2001 alone
c-68/17 will cost the economy far more than it will cost to implement the program
c-68/17 has failed to enlist the support and cooperation of responsible firearm owners
c-68/17 has failed because non-compliance will lead to an increase in black-market firearms trade
c-68/17 has failed to convince Aboriginal persons to participate in the program
c-68/17 has failed to collect accurate data on guns
c-68/17 has failed to collect accurate data on firearm owners
c-68/17 has failed to gain the support of front-line police officers
c-68/17 has failed because it has driven a wedge between law-abiding citizens and the police
c-68/17 has failed because police are now counseling citizens to break the law
c-68/17 has failed because the government had to introduce 22 pages of amendments to it
c-68/17 has failed because it has violated the privacy rights of millions of
law-abiding citizens
c-68/17 has failed every evaluation conducted so far
c-68/17 has failed so badly the government has had to fabricate statistics to make it look like they succeeded
c-68/17 has failed so badly they had to establish "Oversight Committees" at Treasury Board
c-68/17 has even failed to gain the support of the general public

Politically Speaking:

If the Federal Liberals are so righteous in their purpose, if they are so sure that what they are doing is right and good, why do they continue to bury the facts regarding the Firearms Act? Why do they continue to hide the true costs of this legislation by using "Cabinet Secrecy" to keep the total amount from even other Members of Parliament? Why do they continue to obfuscate the numbers of front-line Police Officers that have been pulled from already understaffed Departments and seconded to Firearms Offices across the nation?


Why do they continue to lie to the Canadian Public, by inflating the number of "guns found in crime" figures presented before the Standing Committee on Justice Affairs, by a factor of nine? Why do they continue to trot out their figures of "70 to 80% of Canadians" support the Firearms Act, when these studies have been shown to be flawed? Why do they use bogus statistics, and these same flawed surveys, to systematically reduce the "numbers of gun owners" to bolster their "compliance rate", in an effort to make their system appear to be working? Why do they say they have the support of the Police, when it is only the Chiefs of Police that support it, in an effort to boost their budgets and build even greater empires for themselves? Why did they "induce" the Canadian Police Association to forego their previous reservations about this act, by promising them upgrades to their CPIC computer system, DNA registries, and looser laws regarding cops breaking the law in the pursuit of "justice"?

Should the Liberal Government not be *proud* to be doing this? Should they not stand on the roof of the Parliament buildings and be shouting "We are right, dammit, and this is how much it costs!"? Why the need to justify what they are doing with bogus studies? Why hide from the public the full costs of their lauded legislation? Why do they even feel the need to try and justify their actions?

Do they not have the courage of their convictions?


Yours,
Bruce Mills


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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 17:47:05 -0600
From: "Alan Harper" <alan__harper@hotmail.com>
Subject: 40 Reasons To Implement Gun Control


1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, and Chicago cops need guns.

2.
Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

3.
Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994, are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.

5.
We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.

6.
The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

7.
An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

8.
A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

9.
When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense-give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).

10.
The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns and Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.

11.
One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.

12.
The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.

13.
The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons vehicles buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.

14.
These phrases;
"right of the people peaceably to assemble ",
"right of the people to be secure in their homes",
"enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage
others retained by the people", and
"The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively,
and to the people."
all refer to individuals, but
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms."
refers to the state.


15.
"The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.

16.
Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense!
Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.


17.
Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons", but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles", because they are military weapons.

18.
In spite of waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and 1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school
shootings.


19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.

20.
Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

21.
A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

22.
Women are just as intelligent and capable as men, but a woman with gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."

23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

24.
Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

25.
A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."

27.
Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

28.
The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self-defense only justifies bare hands.

30.
The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.

31.
Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.

32.
Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

33.
We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

34.
Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.

35.
Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.

37.
"Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.

39.
Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.

40. Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.

ISN'T THAT A FACT, SO WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING HERE?


GILLIAN HADLEY'S MURDER

JUSTICE CANADA - Vol.3 No.1

Standing Up to Family Violence
by Nicole Baer
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FACTS LEFT OUT OF THE DEPT. OF JUSTICE ARTICLE ABOUT THE GILLIAN HADLEY'S MURDER:
Ralph Hadley was out on bail for stalking his ex-wife Gillian and breaching a court order to stay away from her. According to police he was prohibited from owning firearms and did not have a licence to acquire firearms. And yet, Hadley, armed with a handgun, chased Gillian (carrying her 11-month old son) out of her house, pulled her back into the house, shot her in the head and then killed himself.
Source: "How did husband get gun?" The Toronto Sun (June 22, 2000) p. 4)
Question: It has been mandatory to register handguns in Canada since 1934.
Firearms Acquisition Certificates have been mandatory since 1979. Why didn't our gun control laws prevent Hadley from getting a handgun and killing his wife with it?



So Who is Qualified to carry a Gun?

July 2001 is a landmark for supporters of gun rights. Two more states, New Mexico and Michigan, join the ranks of states that issue permits allowing law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons. Two thirds (33) of the American states now fall into this category, if you include Vermont, which allows non-felons to carry for any lawful purpose without a special permit.

Laws that allow good citizens to carry concealed weapons are typically known as "right to carry" or "shall issue" laws. They put the burden of proof on the state to show why a citizen should be denied the right to carry a firearm, rather than requiring the citizen to show a special need.

Many police officers, admitted, that they should be some of the last to even carry a gun, as the riots in the UK for instance are a strong indication!


It's really nothing, some people derive a schizo power from a Gun, like those driving a big car.....this is a simple level of immaturity and reason!


In the end, it all boils down to the old addage, absolute power corrupts absolutely, nothing new there!

Also:
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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:45:23 -0600
From: B Farion <bfarion@pris.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: # RCMP qualified

>
> Lafrance declined to be specific about how often RCMP officers carry guns
> abroad, insisting the decision is made by the RCMP and foreign security
> officials on a case-by-case basis.

Hi;
Well, the question should be - "Are they qualified to carry?"
A report was leaked and posted on the digest that 1/3 of the RCMP in BC were not
"qualified" to carry!
Why?
Because the RCMP and municiple political hacks had shut down so many ranges in
SW BC!
Cheers
Bill (;-)

:To Add to This:

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:21:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Med <mywaymed@shaw.ca>
Subject: RANGES & RCMP Target Practice.

NOTE: This is a Rumour.

Apparently the RCMPolice use a Gravel Pitt in Coquitlam BC, to practice
their shooting?

This open Pitt is across the road from residences and doesn't even have a berm.

The road to the Pitt is called Pipeline Road.

I bet the CFO probably overlooked this little item ??

"I have no problem offering Rumours". There should be Gun Club members out there
who know the Truth?

Where's David Austin MBS, ( Master of BS ) when we need him? His propaganda
would probably convince us that it's OK, and that we shouldn't worry about
sundry things, such as equality!

Gerry Kirkham shouldn't be allowed to be the only person, who knows of
questionable tactics, about the Police Officers and their Weapons.

KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY!!! MED

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My Inept-Confiscation Incident by the Force, may be quite Similar to these Unfortunate Friends

The SPYder Web News


Radioman--
PLEASE POST AS FAR AND WIDELY AS POSSIBLE!!

The feds are trying to get Preston Nichols put away on insanity charges!
Several months ago, Mr. X., whose communications to me regarding his having been trained as a mind controlled gov't agent you published earlier this year, connected with and became friendly with Nichols in NY. About a month ago Mr. X, whom I refer to as "Mr Coffee" in my report, was on a LI cable talk show in which he totally spilled major beans about his past--as to involvement in/victimization by government mind control programming and such. The next day he says feds tried to off him.


Not long after this Mr. X he was arrested at his home in NJ by local cops who were there to confiscate his legal handgun by court order, due to a formal complaint against X having been filed by a suspiciously vengeful ex-girlfriend (as in she was put up to it by FBI).
Though exhibiting complete compliance with all the officers' requests, some pretext was used as an excuse to indicate that X had been abusive and uncooperative with the cops and he was arrested. Mr. X was then immediately remanded to a gov't mental institution from which he has spent several weeks trying to extricate himself. So far he is out of the bin but the presiding judge has not yet closed the case.

Now a similar thing is being tried on Nichols.
Preston hasn't been arrested yet as far as I know. The feds are moving in--trying a "John Ford" on him--using confiscated materials to bolster their attempt to have him declared legally insane. It's unbelievable. Some people in the gov't must be very scared. Interestingly, the as yet unidentified agents/officers who invaded both Nichols' home on LI as well as some rural property he owns in Pennsylvania were from New Jersey I don't believe they can make it stick with Nichols but they could really cause him a serious pain in the ass.


I have not talked to him as of this stuff happening and don't know what if any kind of formal charges are being leveled at him. Agents are "gathering evidence" from his properties under what is apparently a federal warrant--as agents have crossed state lines in enforcing it, and I guess they can take that "evidence" to some paid-off judge and get an order remanding Nichols to a gov't psychiatric facility. Of course someone or some (covert) government agency instigated this, to get Preston out of circulation.


I would say this shows that the entire Montauk Project issue and related issues (such as other MK operations, HAARP, Fight 800, etc.) have become a major concern to certain powers that be at this time. Considering Preston's not-inconsiderable clout with certain "Constitutionalist" elements of the government--in particular the military, whoever is behind this shit is definitely pretty powerful--and/or wacko.


John Quinn



More on Preston Nichols — Ellie Crystal, Wed Oct 7 19:02

On this NOTE, I would like the local incident of the Nintendo Killers to be carefully evaluated as another similar example to the poor 11 year kid who faced the death squad for getting a BBgun for a birthday present!


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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:00:46 -0600
From: "Trigger Mortis" <alan__harper@hotmail.com>
Subject: the Nintendo Caper

>RCMP Const. Marina Wilks said that the police erred on the side of caution
>and acted in "good faith" considering the information they had at the time.

>"We had no history with the residence and we weren't sure what we were
>dealing with. We acted as best we could on the information that we had. Now
>we can say that there wasn't an issue."

>She admitted that the four young men never posed a threat to the community.


=============

That's what the RCMP call "good faith" now. They admit
they have no evidence
of improper behaviour on the part of a citizen and they shove a sub-machine
gun
in your face.

That's an
arrogant attitude which I find unacceptable.

================

>Upon seeing both his sons being taken into custody, Lorne said that he
>began yelling at the officers to identify who they were.

>"I'm screaming at these cops that they've got the wrong boys, they've got
>no police records, and this officer turns around, a gun's pointed in my
>direction and he starts screaming at me to back off."


==============

Here's something else that annoys me. The police are
wearing their Robocop
outfits with no ID visible and with faces concealed
. The father has a
legitimate concern that these jerks have their identities concealed rather
than openly identifying themselves as police officers.

Murderers and thieves conceal themselves. Police, who are presumably not
murderers or thieves, should not be concealing their identities. Obviously,
they are doing so to avoid accountability later. They not only attempt to
avoid any
accountability through actions at the scene, but plan in advance
to do so.

Next, they point a gun at the father when he demands that they identify
themselves. That is a criminal offense in itself. It is called "pointing a
firearm".
Pointing a firearm at any person is a criminal offense, unless the
person pointing it feels that his life, or the life of a person under
his/her protection, is in danger.
So, this cop thought that his life was in
danger because dad was asking for identification??


============

>"I went outside with (my friend), locked up the door, I walk around the
>corner and I see (my friend) holding his hands up and all of a sudden I
>hear this voice saying, 'Freeze!' The guns weren't in our face but every
>gun was drawn with fingers on triggers."


==============

The only time a finger should be on the trigger is when a person WANTS the
gun to fire
. Otherwise, it should be outside the trigger guard and straight
as an arrow alongside the frame. The reason for that is that any surprise or
shock, such as someone bumping into you or a loud noise may cause your
trigger finger to make a slight convulsion and fire the gun (remember that
the gun is deployed, or should only be deployed, in a high stress situation,
where the officer feels that life is threatened by the behaviour of the
perpetrator). The way to avoid that is to train yourself to ALWAYS have the
trigger finger outside the trigger guard and ALWAYS keep the trigger finger
straight and unbending. After a while, it becomes second nature and you
don't need to think about it. When you want the gun to fire, you make a
conscious decision to unbend the finger, place it inside the trigger guard
and press the trigger.

Likewise, the gun should never be pointed gratuitously at the citizens. That
is why "pointing a firearm" is a crime under the criminal code.

It looks like the RCMP in BC are sorely lacking in training. They seem to
enjoy the intimidation factor of waving their guns around at the citizens,
without employing proven safety procedures.

Even though the
force doesn't feel that safety of the citizens has enough
importance to be addressed,
the individual officers should have enough
integrity to become thoroughly familiar with their equipment, especially
equipment which can project lethal force to a distance.

Unfortunately, shit flows downhill and, if the boss doesn't care, why should
the guy on the street doing the job?

This whole affair is a nice example of the contempt that government holds
for the citizenry. They don't mind spending money on expensive equipment to
intimidate people, but save money by not providing funds for professional
training.


That's the way I see it.

Bye. Al.

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The Self Defense Files
February Examples
published: 03.02.01
An Internet Publication for Real Americans

Every day, we see stories of gun violence on our television screens. Here's the other side of the story--a few of the many cases in which citizens used firearms to defend themselves and others during the month of February, 2001.


On February 3, Cherese Belin returned to her Charleston, South Carolina apartment to find jewelry and money missing. She called police, who determined that a thief had entered the home by removing an air conditioner from the bedroom window. Police searched the apartment, but failed to find the intruder. After investigators left, Belin asked her neighbor, Shermaine D. Whitley, to search the house a second time. Arming himself with a handgun, Whitley peered beneath the homeowner's bed and found the burglar hiding there. He ordered the man to come out. Instead, the thief fired two shots at Whitley, striking him in the leg. The armed neighbor then returned fire, killing the burglar. Whitley will not be charged. "The suspect fired first, and the victim returned fire," a
police spokesman said. "He was defending himself."

Lisa Liev, owner of Johnny's Cut Rate Liquor in Dallas, was working the afternoon shift on February 9 when a man entered the store. He pulled a gun and demanded money. Liev dove to the floor and grabbed her own pistol from beneath the cash register. As the man jumped the counter, she shot him. Liev then ran outside and locked the robber inside the store before calling police. Still wearing a bandage on her head from a previous robbery attempt, she said, "I'm lucky to be alive. This is the second time they try and rob and hit me." The robber died at the scene, and police ruled the shooting justifiable homicide.

On February 12, a fourteen-year-old boy was alone in his Dayton, Ohio home when he heard someone breaking out a window in the back bedroom. The teenager yelled for the intruder to leave, then ran to his father's bedroom and armed himself with a shotgun. "He told the person not to come through the window, to back out, and that didn't happen," a police spokesman said.

The teenager then loaded the gun and fired. A few minutes later, police found a man riddled with buckshot wandering the neighborhood. He was arrested. The fourteen-year-old was not expected to be charged.

On February 14, three members of a Suffolk, New York rock band fought back when two armed invaders kicked in the front door of their home and attempted to rob them. Two of the band members grabbed shotguns. The first intruder had enough sense to flee when he saw the armed homeowners. Wesley Jones did not--he was killed with a shotgun blast as he held a gun to the head of the third resident.
Investigators stated that the shooting appeared to be justified.

On February 17, three men forced their way into an upscale Atlanta home. One intruder pushed the homeowner's mother into a back bedroom while his accomplices pistol-whipped her son. A police spokesperson said, "Two males were on top of him, kicking and beating him." When the assailants attempted to remove his coat, the homeowner broke free and retrieved a handgun. He opened fire, killing one of the invaders, later identified as Nedrick Taylor.
The resident was not charged.

At about 2 a.m., February 18, Jose Antonio Herrera and Rodrigo Castaneda burst through the door of an apartment near Three Points, in Tucson, Arizona. The assailants used duct tape and "tie wraps" to bind the two female occupants. As the intruders ransacked the house, eighteen-year-old Amelia Gamboa broke free and ran to her bedroom. She retrieved a pistol from beneath her mattress and confronted Castoneda. When he pointed a rifle at her, she shot and killed him. Herrera was charged with first-degree murder.
Gamboa was not charged.

On February 19, Kyung Choi and his wife Sung let two customers into their Chicago jewelry store. Almost immediately, one of the men pulled a handgun and shot Sung Choi in the left shoulder. Kyung grabbed a shotgun and fired a single shot at the robbers who quickly fled.


On February 20, Rhonda Darlene Hand was in the kitchen of her Nashville home when she heard someone open her unlocked back door. Anthony Ray Krantz, holding a handgun, entered the kitchen, but was met by Hand who had armed herself. Police believe Krantz fired one shot at her, and Hand fired five shots at the invader. Krantz, who police peculated was there to rob Hand, died at the scene. Hand was not charged.

Other self-defense stories that occurred during the month of February include a stepson in Houston who shot and killed his step-father as the angry man attacked his estranged wife; the Pikeville, Kentucky storeowner who shot it out with two armed robbers and drove them from his business; and the Homosassa, Florida homeowner who used a shotgun to capture two of five burglars who had broken into his home.

None of these accounts were reported by the mainstream media.



Robert A. Waters is author of The Best Defense: True Stories of Intended Victims Who Defended Themselves with Firearms, Cumberland House Publishing, Inc., 1998.

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Is the media interested in enlightening the public about the true facts of gun use by criminals and the positive sides of gun use by responsible gun owners? Of course not!


Journalists and the news media in general are intellectual prostitutes for the powers that be. They think lying for the powers that be will bring them more personal advantages and benefits than adhering to the truth. In the short run they might be right - in the long run they will pave the road for their own destruction as well as ours. Today's journalists and media are some of the most irresponsible individuals and corporations supporting, and even advocating, crime with the lies they present as truth.

If they would report the truth about gun use more people would keep their guns and fewer criminals would use guns to commit their crimes. That, of course, could not be tolerated by the criminal organizations known as governments, who, in turn, are controlled by the United Nations, the most corrupt and diabolical organization ever concocted by human minds.

In order for the United Nations to gain its utopian vision of world rule all firearms have to be eliminated from the hands of all individuals. Gun control with eventual gun confiscation is a United Nations effort. Our treasonous governments working to enslave the citizens of their countries are the willing mercenaries for these devious United Nations posing as a peace organization.

Folks, learn the truth and be not afraid to stand for it and by it. This will be of the greatest importance in the near future not only for yourself but also for your country.


Fred Kyburz

Have a great day!

RCMP Enforcements:


The RCMPolice and Edmonton city police appear to have launched a pre-emptive
strike against the Firearms Community since Easter!


First on Good Friday last , Peter Kearns, a very well known Member of the Firearms Community and a former Firearms Dealer, is attacked on Highway 2 South , near Carstairs with a phoney alcohol road block and story about a "suspected white truck wanted in a homicide investigation in Edmonton. At this moment in time I drove past that roadblock in a white truck and was not even given a second look!

Now two more strikes are carried out , one on a Local Firearms Dealer , Lock & Load where a seizure of Firearms was made because the "cards" could not be produced. In todays Edmonton journal the Minister of justice is quoted as saying the Amnesty is declared partly to protect the inventory of Firearms Dealers. The CFO has never issued the cards , obviously!

A third strike was carried out by RCMPolice in Fort Saskatchewan , this time on the home of the Honorable Peter Kearns where materials and his computer were seized!

An unusual situation exists in these raids, for there is no press release etc as is the normal practice of the Police after carrying out a successful raid on CRIMINALS! An interesting fact in itself , I think, and leaves me wondering why they don't want the press to know?

Gordon Hitchen

Last Note 10-26-01 proved that the set-up amongst other things, was done by some very shady Gov't dissidents, as Bob reports here:


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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:44:17 -0600
From: "Bob Lickacz" <firearms@planet.eon.net>
Subject: PONYBOYS


In regards to the legal exploits of Das Kriminalen Kearns, I'm surprised to hear that the ponyboys' star witness is Paul Almassy.

Mr. Almassy, from what I understand is 75 years old. Mr. Almassy, from what I understand has spent 34 of those 75 years in the Crowbar Hotel, as a guest of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth ll.

I further understand that Mr. Almassy, was just recently sentenced to 7 additional years at the same hotel. (He must get one Hell of a rate for being such a loyal guest. You'd also think the old fart should retire at this stage of the game.) I heard a rumour that the original sentence for Mr. Almassy was going to be 10 years.


Hmmmmmmmmmm.


You don't think that Mr. Almassy fabricated a story involving Das Kriminalen Kearns just to get a lower sentence. You don't think that would happen, do you? You don't think that the Hate-On that the CCRA has for Das Kriminalen, has anything to do with the latest go 'round, do you? I must confess that my poor gun owner's brain (according to the government it is either infantile or psychopathic) is getting damn sore just trying to keep things straight.


In Edmonton there is a trial that is currently going on regarding a hapless fellow by the name of Jason Dix. If you remember back a few years ago, a couple of guys were found dead at a local paper packaging plant. The Ponyboys investigated the scene and proclaimed that the two dead guys had been electrocuted. The coroner's report differed slightly from the Ponyboys conclusion in the minor detail that both dead guys had been shot in the head. Three times each, no less.


The Ponyboys it seems had a similar Hate-On for Mr. Dix as they appear to have for Das Kriminalen Kearns. They apparently decided that Mr. Dix was their man and proceeded accordingly. Mr. Dix spent two years in the slammer, after which the Crown dropped all charges because of LACK OF EVIDENCE.

In this civil trial where Mr. Dix is claiming $14.6 million in damages, we are being treated almost daily to expert witness after expert witness, soundly condemning the Ponyboys for poor police investigation. In fact, today's expert witness has testified that Dix couldn't have been at the murder scene at the time the two guys were shot, based on information the Ponyboys had determined. I attended the trial for an afternoon and heard Dix testify for two hours. Mr. Dix sounded to me, like an honest man who had fallen on some tough times. Being somewhat vulnerable, Dix was made the scapegoat when the Ponyboys tried to cover up a botched murder investigation.


Is there a parallel between the Dix case and the case of Das Kriminalen?


I think there just may be.

Perhaps the Ponyboys may want to change their motto to:

"We Always Get A Man".


Bob Lickacz

NFA Edmonton

LAST POST


Bullet to the brain ends ex-gun dealer's case
By
LORI COOLICAN
Staff Writer
The trial of a former gun dealer facing 15 firearms-related charges linked
to deactivated guns has been cancelled due to his death - caused by a
bullet to the head.
Peter Kearns, 57, of Fort Saskatchewan died of a gunshot wound to the head
on Aug. 31, the Edmonton medical examiner's office confirmed yesterday.
Fort Saskatchewan RCMP did not return repeated phone calls - or fax
requests - asking if his death was under investigation.
Kearns was one of several people charged in the spring of 2001 after a
joint investigation by RCMP and Edmonton city police into the discovery of
formerly deactivated handguns at crime scenes. He pleaded not guilty and
was scheduled for a jury trial in Edmonton Court of Queen's Bench Nov. 3.
Deactivated guns - which have been welded or otherwise disabled - can be
legally sold without registration and are difficult to trace.
At the time of the investigation, city police spokesman Wes Bellmore said
one such weapon had been found at a homicide scene, while another was used
in the attempted shooting of a cop.
Both guns had been restored to make them
operational again, Bellmore said.
Kearns, the former owner of the nowclosed Kearns and McMurchy gun
dealership, 10585 115 St., spent years importing rare guns from eastern
Europe for Canadian collectors. His family declined comment yesterday.
Shortly after his home was searched in June 2001, Kearns told The Sun he
hadn't sold guns for a year and a half. All of them were deactivated
according to federal standards before they arrived in Canada, he said.
Blair Hault, owner of Edmonton's Lock & Load gun shop, 15889 116 Ave., was
also charged with unlawful ammunition sales and unlawful firearms possession.
After Lock and Load was searched by police in June 2001, Hault told The Sun
he sold deactivated handguns there, as well as the parts that can convert
them back to working condition. But Hault said those parts are readily
available at any gun shop, and he never told anyone how to reactivate them.
A third man, Randy Sinclair, was also charged with gun trafficking,
possession of a prohibited weapon and unlawful possession of a firearm
after the investigation.
The charges against both Hault and Sinclair were stayed by the Crown April
4, according to provincial court records.

"FREEDOM" For those who Fought, Bled and Died For It " FREEDOM " has a
FLAVOR THE PROTECTED will Never Know or Savor. Anonymous

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See the Qualicum Firearms Raid, a Similar Case!

Concerning Bill C-245:

The Firearm Interest Police (FIP) database is designed to flag current and potential firearm licensees whenever they come in contact with the police. But instead of flagging only those contacts which indicate anti social behavior, FIP captures all contact with the police, including stepping forward to report a crime or being a victim. The problem is that if a Firearms Officer has (or develops) a strong anti gun bias, he or she is at liberty to consider all FIP entries as grounds for refusal or revocation of an individual’s firearms licence. As soon as the first Firearm Officer refuses to issue a license on the shaky grounds that because a person has lots of contacts with the police the person is unsuitable to own a gun, FIP will then begin to act as a deterrent to positive contacts with police. It will then foster and perpetuate both the "Don't get involved", and "Big Brother is watching" mindsets.


Justice is Locked Out of Court.


As I said earlier, Justice is locked out of the court room and is sitting on the steps of the court house. Have you ever wondered about the utter stupidity of the decisions some of these judges and parole boards are making? That is because you don’t see it from their perspective.

Couldn’t quite see the sense in the government seizing the arms of ordinary law abiding citizens, but letting criminals run rampant? Well, now that you know the federal government is totally illegitimate and our country is being illegally run into the ground by a group of foreign bankers and lawyers, it all kind of makes sense doesn't it? The truth always has a logical consistency, even if it is perverse.

Judges and lawyers like to keep the court doors spinning. It makes money for them and it makes money for their master; The Crown. It is as simple as that. Your fellow Canadians sell you out to their foreign masters for money. Apparently 40 pieces of silver has the same attraction today as it did 2000 years ago.

Ever wonder why they
take a young fellow and make an example of him, but let the real criminals out the door nearly as soon as they get in there? The Crown wants as much crime as they can have. It is big money for them. They could give a damn about the effects of the crime on our society. It is exactly what they want.

They want as many young men in jail as they can so they can spiritually bankrupt them. A criminal record is also financially devastating. It guarantees that the victim of the courts will never amount to anything. Its part of the agenda.


Keep people broke, fighting with each other over scraps to survive and they are never going to look up and see what is going on. Break up the family unit so each of us learns to go it alone and never learn to work together for our common good. Keep people enraged by creating ‘problems’ and then coming up with ‘solutions’. And with every solution, you steal another right.

Why do we jail young people for smoking pot, stealing, etc…? These are not crimes that cause bodily harm to people. There is no need to segregate them from society. Yet we take hardened criminals that will do bodily harm and put them in half way houses or give them electronic ankle straps.

“Those that would give up their freedom for temporary security, deserve neither.”

Benjamin Franklin




Ever wonder why he said that? Pretty obvious now isn’t it?

Jim Townsend

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Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:19:46 -0600
From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" <BreitG0@parl.gc.ca>
Subject:
United Nations Attack on Gun Ownership

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ipps/20010529/cm/united_nations_attack_on_gun_ownership_1.html

Wednesday May 30 01:00 AM EDT

United Nations Attack on Gun Ownership
By Phyllis Shlafly


The attempt this year to reprise last year's Million Mom March was a dud, attracting only about 200 demonstrators, and the Democrats' political gurus are whining about how Al Gore's pro-gun-control stance cost him votes last year in crucial states. So the anti-gun activists have moved to a less democratic venue: the United Nations.

On July 9 to 20, New York City will host the United Nations Conference on Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects. The purpose of this conference is to demonize the private ownership of guns and get governments to confiscate all privately owned guns.

Don't be misled by the term "small arms." UN documents define small arms as weapons "designed for personal use" (such as your Browning pistol, your Ruger rifle, or your inchester shotgun), while light weapons are for use by several persons as a crew.

Don't be misled by the term "illicit" trade. UN documents make it clear that, since most illegal guns start out as legal purchases, illicit trade must be stopped by clamping down on legal gun owners.

Don't think that this UN conference is just a talkfest. It is scheduled to produce a legally binding treaty to require governments to mark, number, register, record, license, confiscate and destroy all guns except those in the hands of the military and the police.

Indeed, the first day of the conference is to be called "Small Arms Destruction Day." The conference's Preparatory Committee (PrepCom) is calling on all governments, with the assistance of the UN's NGOs (Non-Government Organizations) and "civil society" (a fancy name for the NGOs working in tandem), to organize public events to promote the destruction of small arms and light weapons on that day.

The decision on NGO participation, adopted by the Prep Com without a vote, is in line with the growing UN practice of expanding the influence of "relevant" NGOs while bypassing sovereign member states. "Relevant " means only those NGOs that promote the UN agenda.


The 18-page Draft Program of Action to be presented to the July conference sets forth the rationale plus the mechanisms for eliminating the "wide availability" of guns. It's obvious that the United States is the target because we are the only country with a Second Amendment, and other democracies such as England, Canada and Australia have either banned or severely restricted private gun ownership.

The Draft Program wraps its gun-confiscation message in typical UN semantics, but makes little attempt to conceal the mailed fist in the velvet glove. It states: "In order to promote peace, security, stability and sustainable development in the world, we commit ourselves to addressing this problem in a comprehensive, integrated, sustainable, efficient and urgent
manner."

Indeed, the plan is comprehensive and integrated. According to the Draft Program, "Preventing and reducing the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons consists of two sets of measures: the national control of manufacture and the proper marking of small arms and light weapons, coupled with accurate, sustained record-keeping and exchanges of information."

Government "marking" and record-keeping is "an integral part" of the process. It's clear that the UN is demanding that governments build a national electronic database of all guns and their owners, and then facilitate "an information exchange" (i.e., share the database with the UN).

Through the Department for Disarmament Affairs, the UN promises to "develop an international mechanism that will facilitate the exchange of information on all aspects" of guns, i.e., a global gun registry.

To wipe out private gun ownership, the UN demands that all governments enforce "adequate laws, regulations and administrative procedures to exercise effective control over the legal manufacture and possession of small arms and light weapons." And the UN demands that governments criminally prosecute all those who don't comply.

The UN plans to develop "model national legislation" so that Congress will pass laws that conform to the treaty's requirements. The UN plans to guide Congress by publishing "best practices" for legislation and procedures.


All unmarked or inadequately marked small arms and light weapons are to be confiscated and "expeditiously destroyed." The government is to assure that "no re-transfer of small arms and light weapons takes place without prior authorization" by the government because the UN disapproves of the possession of guns by civilians who are "not part of responsible military and police forces."

The
UN also has a plan to propagandize Americans to accept this global ban on private gun ownership. The Draft Program calls for "seminars, conferences, consultations and workshops conducted by the United Nations " for the purpose of "promoting the action plan."

As part of its "awareness-training" to induce Americans to accept the new ban-the-guns policy, the UN wants government to pledge to destroy guns in "public destruction events."

When the United Nations bounced us from the Human Rights Commission, while giving seats to Sudan, Libya, China and Cuba, that was just an insult. But it's deadly serious business when the UN tries to take away our guns.


© 2001 Copley News Service

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As we know, "LAW" in itself has jack squat to do with JUSTICE, that is the weight of the problem that man has been plagued with for the last million years.

It is time for the judgment day/apocalypse, to reign supreme, where all responsible firearm owners, will dominate the universe, where others will not care!

Nostradamus, Century 5, Quatrain 106





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On This Note, I would like to refer my Personal Tactical opinions on the Unfortunate infamous WTC Terrorism based from 09-13-01 informations!

This Objective view may cause an answer to the tragedy, as opposed to the thousands of standard hypocritical condolences.

If U look at the WTCenter in structure and position, to a vandal, it says "HIT ME" here I am, everywhere, this hit was to be expected, either by vandals, terrorists or accident. US ego and HAARP/Montauk Technology did nothing to help this event! Hell, if you want to get purely technical or Hypothetical, I suppose HAARP could have caused a powerful enough earthquake to down these "Majestic" towers, on shear ELF Frequency!

OK....., did U notice how the building seemed to have a lack of rebar or something, it collapsed like a mere sandcastle...nothing more, than a structural joke, and a bad joke at that, all some 110 stories each.

The unfortunate WTC 7,000 lost lives where topside, but this place has all the nuts/bolts/data/Server/dope in the 7 basement floors, and did they have a "sewer" type escape? The WTC Subways should be OK if the WTC walls hold out, these basement survivors should not be affected even 2 days after the WTC Crashes, except for some topside dust and harsh discomforts, considering the restaurants, and other facilities there!

OK..., O$uma Bin Brain Laden, went a little weird, and 50 Billion Dollar "ransom" greedy, with the Kamikaze FAA Courses and all that usual primitive NWO concept, but the US, has unfortunately, seen their ego limits set by this platforming event! Seems a slight oversight there which strongly resembles all of the Pearl Harbor 1941 incident, from start to finish, and yes, there is a DNI Robert LaCasse under that 50 million tons of Pearl "FDRoosevelt" Harbor concrete!

The pony-boys let some of the terrorists into the US, while they were legislating firearm laws at will. Now U tell me where these guys are at, I don't know what planet they are from?
We obviously all have the answer to that, including the palace of windsors 100 year non-disclosures (sic) now palais de Versailles property! They have more to leak out than what we hear regularly, yes, the c-68/17 kids have to restructure the precedence of what is a crime here in Canada!

Some of the WTC terrorist were in BC and Vermont, and nobody cared, or noticed their hi-style of living, terrorist religions, or loose lips, because we have a CFO that thinks he's afraid of our BB Guns and little pistols, so they're busy collecting these "dangerous" things! The onus however, is upon the US Border patrol to get these immigrants, with no verifiable record of existence, as usual, the Citizen of Canada is the underdog and the only legal considered victim. Of course, we do have some 250 Gangs in Canada because of the lax immigration laws here, but anyone who has to skulk in a gang, is a gutless wonder anyway!

The Terrorism "Tools" were not trumped to UN/iansa tricks as "cover-up" material, even though they initially tried to say these guys were [gun] armed in the lone Pittsburgh crash...more UN/iansa Harsh Realm unreality's!


Why the US Cockpit Pilots were not armed with a TASER, is somewhat of a mystery to all, as a silenced Navy Seals 9mm is a bit unorthodox for a Flight System Defense! The fact that no TASER was made available is no excuse, and one will no doubt be provided in the cockpit from now on, for hijacking events! A M18L or M26L Advanced Air Taser/Stun gun, is 100% effective for a 2 man attack! Still in reality, U need a cool head to be able to watch your favorite Stewardess murdered in front of U by a Vandal and still keep your thoughts intact to the prime function of the Pilots Task.

See 19MB Example At http://www.airtaser.com/movies/Airline_Safety.mpg


From this WTC event, a sign of patriotism stems, as Gun and flag sales are up markedly in the wake of the terrorist attacks on New York and the nation's capital. In Florida, defiant and fearful residents rushed to arm themselves and to openly display their patriotism. One gun store owner reported selling more than one hundred military-style weapons and shotguns in a single day.
http://d21c.com/progun1/news.html

My Condolences to the Hampered, and Survivors who will have to live in a handicapped world!

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