HIV TEST IS A FRAUD
Gary Null, host of Natural Living, WBAI Radio, New York City
Portion of broadcast 3/21/96


GARY NULL:  Hi everyone.  I'm Gary Null.  It's nice to have you with us
today.

  We're continuing with our series today on health issues, but we're going to
take a little different turn; we're not going to talk specifically about
nutrition.  That is a part of health, but it's not the primary part of
health.  In fact, when I have discussed in the past of how we can evaluate
our health, it is only after travelling the world and seeing people in
cultures that are living long and very prosperous lives, in their body, mind,
and spirit, social connections, family ties.... and they've never taken a
vitamin pill, they've never had a colonic, they've never had the joy of
juicing.

  Well then, how'd they do it?  You're going to find out.  But we begin by
looking, for the next five minutes, at the news in the area of health and
nutrition.  And I try to present information that you would generally NOT
find in most other media.  

  For example:  Recently the Gay Men's Health Crisis put on it's annual March
For AIDS, and of course people wanting to see the condition of AIDS and the
individuals that it affects cured and people helped (which is a noble cause),
never really ask: "Whatever happens to the money?  Does anyone actually get
better?," because all the hoopla is in the event itself.

  Well, I'd like to make a few challenges.  I'd like to challenge the media
to show that I'm wrong.  I'd like to challenge the AIDS community in its
entirety to show that I'm wrong on this one issue,  because this is the heart
of the WHOLE issue:  

  We're told that you should take and AIDS test, and if you have the
antibodies to the HIV virus then the predictability is that you will, in
time, after a latent period, will come down with AIDS  - one of the
twenty-nine opportunistic infections - and die.   I say that at  just ON ONE
LEVEL, the test is a complete fraud.  And I accuse the individuals who have
perpetrated this as being irresponsible and must, absolutely must, be held
legally liable for wrongful death.

  Now, I don't make claims spuriously, and I certainly don't make them
without doing a great deal of research.  Let me give you some specifics:

  It is impossible - absolutely scientifically impossible - and there's not a
scientist on earth who can show me evidence to the contrary, and I open the
door for them to do so  [on my radio program to prove that HIV is present in
all AIDS cases].  Call the C. D. C. after this show.  Call any AIDS
organization.  Tell them what I'm saying and say I will give them a forum to
challenge me on this issue.  And if they cannot prove that what I'm saying is
wrong, then they should acknowledge that telling people to have an HIV test
is, itself, fraudulent.

  No one, I repeat, no one under ANY circumstances should have the HIV test.
 It is a fraud.  A complete and total fraud.  Why is it a fraud?  Because
there's no "gold standard."  That means that it is impossible to claim that
HIV has been present in all AIDS cases.  The C. D.C. admits that 43,606
American AIDS cases have never been tested for HIV.  Using the Centers for
Disease Control's statistics, you can calculate an additional 18,666 have not
been tested, totaling 62,272 cases.

  In Africa, virtually no one is tested. The resources for HIV antibody tests
are simply not available in most sub-Saharan African countries.  Instead,
Africans are diagnosed with AIDS on the basis of clinical case definition
which consists of a cough that is non-productive for about 30 days, fever,
 persistent diarrhea (again for about 30 days), and weight loss of greater
than ten percent of body weight (again for 30 days).  However, these
IDENTICAL symptoms can be caused by a number of diseases endemic in African
countries. In fact, on the rare occasions when groups of African AIDS
patients have been tested, over 50% have had HIV NEGATIVE condition.

  Even if all cases throughout the world had been tested and then found to be
positive, this would still offer NO PROOF that AIDS patients are infected
with HIV.  Since during the initial development of the HIV antibody test, and
even to this day, the tests were never verified by an independent "gold
standard."  Absolutely not once, anywhere.  

  I've just gone all over the world trying to find the independent
verification of this test.  I have not found it.  The "gold standard" means
that it is necessary to correlate a positive antibody test with findings of
actual virus in the body of the person being tested.  And a negative test
with findings of no virus in the body.  

  HIV antibody tests have been subjected to severe criticism by many
individuals, including Dr. Eleni Eleopulos in her research, and others, for a
multitude of reasons, the most important is that an antibody test is not
valid unless it has been authenticated by use of an independent "gold
standard" which, for HIV antibody tests, must be the presence of HIV itself.
 

  Dr. Eleopulos'  team thoroughly searched the literature on antibody testing
and found no researcher anywhere in the world had yet met the requirements of
a "gold standard."  Thus, they concluded that the relationship between HIV
positive antibody tests and HIV infection has not been sustained.

  I'm Gary Null. Nice to have you with us. Offering a challenge to the people
who have believed that AIDS:  A.) Is an epidemic.  I have not seen any
evidence of that. B.)  that it is spreading wildly within the heterosexual
community.  

  That is absolutely a lie, and it's never been justified, and yet just
recently The Wall Street Journal, in its first article on the subject and the
only American newspaper to do what the [Sunday] Times of London had already
done over two years ago - this is a two year delay - finally informed the
public that the Centers for Disease Control had been perpetrating a massive
lie for public relations reasons on the average American.  Feeling that,
"Well, if we really were honest about AIDS and it really is only affecting
people in small segments - intravenous drug users, fast-track gays,
hemophiliacs, and people susceptible to the infection due to blood
transfusions, then it would be an infinitesimal part of the population.

  But because activists have been extraordinarily successful in getting their
voices heard, making it politically incorrect to challenge them; so now
everyone assumes that everything we have been told about HIV is correct.  The
trouble is it is not; it's time to start correcting it. 

  I'm going to ask my guest who's just on our line right now, standing by.
 Jim Montevelli, nice to have you with us, Jim.  Hi.  How are you?

MONTEVELLI:  Good.

GARY NULL:	Jim, I just want to finish a few thoughts and them I'm going to
come back to you and we're going to start with you talking about consumerism,
and how Americans are becoming somewhat dissatisfied with the "work, buy,
spend, and throw-it-away ethic.  All right?

MONTEVELLI:  Okay.

GARY NULL:	But I just want to finish some thoughts here, and I'm repeating a
little bit because some stations come in only 6 minutes into the show.  They
have their own N. P. R. news they listen to and so I'll just pick it up from
here.  I'm challenging that the AIDS test is legitimate.  It is NOT
legitimate.  Therefore, laws that suggest people should mandatorily take it,
testing babies, putting people on excessive toxic chemotherapies such as AZT
or DDI or DDC or Bactrim when they test positive - even if they're completely
healthy - just goes against all science and even all common sense.

  What do you think would happen if you took every doctor working at
Sloan-Ketterling -- and by the way, this would be a very good idea; I really
think this would be good -- and take every doctor working who has ever
treated someone with AIDS, and say, "This is a person who has an HIV
antibody, so-called, to the AIDS virus, and they're completely healthy and
you're now going to give them the most toxic chemotherapy agents known, in
very high doses, all day long.  Even into the night. They actually wake up
and take it during the night.  Would you take an equally toxic chemotherapy
for yourself, as a healthy American, every day, all day?  And your family,
every day, all day?  And your children, every day, all day? Just as you're
telling people to take AZT?"

  What do you think would happen to that healthy person taking AZT?  How long
would it take them to get cancer when they're totally healthy?  Kidney
disease?  Brain disease?  Central nervous system disease?  Wasting disease?
 Night sweats?  Fever?  Destruction of their immune system?  Would it be a
week?  A month?

  The very thing that you would expect would happen in a very short period of
time, and yet we're telling people to take AZT every day of their life.  And
no one sees the madness of this?  That there is no science?   Science went to
sleep on its ethics in America when it learned it could make a lot of money.
 Today you have to ask: How many scientists do you know that exist who cannot
be bought?  

  Now, to the test itself, which is a fraud, and I absolutely suggest that no
one ever again take this test . . . and tell your public health officials
that they ought to go back to school on   A.)  biochemistry,   B.) virology,
 and  C.) ethics.

  Cross-reactions with non-HIV antibodies have been documented in the
presence of the following:  First, other retroviruses besides HIV.  For
instance, the flu virus - that's right, the common cold virus.  Now what does
that mean?  That means that you can get a cold, be a healthy individual, a
healthy gay, a healthy heterosexual. You go in and you get an HIV antibody
test.  The antibodies to your flu virus or your cold virus could cross-react
and show that you're HIV positive.  You would freak out.  You'd wonder how
you got infected.  And then immediately you'd be put on AZT and then guess
what?  You would end up with all kinds of immuno-depression.

  Now, it also cross reacts with, guess what?  Herpes simplex II.  That's
right.  All of you out there who have Herpes simplex, what is that, about
half the population?  Half this radio audience?  Yep! Half the population has
herpes.  Well, herpes simplex II can cross-react with the HIV antibody test
and make you "positive."

  Hepatitis B virus.  All micro-bacterial species including tuberculosis,
leprosy, and M avium [sp?].  Vaccinations like the flu vaccine, the hepatitis
vaccine.  Even pregnancy itself changes your hormones so that you can cross
react and create a positive antibody test. Blood transfusions. . . hemophilia
. . . blood-clotting factor . . . sperm.  That's correct: sperm also. 

  A highly oxidized physiological condition (which occurs by the way when you
start using drugs or blood products), auto-immune diseases like lupus,
arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis.  That's right.  Someone could go in and be
tested for the HIV virus -- which has, by the way, never been seen.  It's
never been identified.  It's never been isolated.  There is no single
isolation of the HIV virus by itself in existence.  Only antibodies.  But now
we're seeing that the antibodies are not true antibodies.  There's no "gold
standard" because you could go in and have arthritis and test positive on the
HIV antibody test.  

  Sogrin's [sp?] disease, cancer such as multiple myeloma, alcoholic
hepatitis, alcoholism, liver disease, natural occurring antibodies such as
antibodies to carbohydrate, nuclear antigens, human T-cells, mitochondria,
cellular actin [sp?] tapeworms, parasites, malaria, malnutrition. Those are
just some of the things that you didn't know that I'm telling you today can
cross-react to create a positive antibody test.    

  That means that an awful lot of Americans have probably died who were
completely healthy and had a positive cross-reaction and were put on AZT.
 Remember the couple that tested positive?  The heterosexual couple tested
positive and killed themselves, committed suicide.  So many thing happen
because of this.

  According to a Dr. Langick [sp?], almost all reactions, especially in
low-risk populations, represent false positive results.  Unquote.  Both on
the ELISA and the Western Blot.  In the general population, it has been
generally accepted by mainstream AIDS researchers that positive results are
likely to be false positives.  

  Many, many articles that I have, have been written in the scientific
literature, expressing concern about this problem.  According to Dr. Gimenson
 [sp?], he said, quote, "At some point of extremely low disease prevalence it
is expected that the positive predictive value of most powerful assay series
will deteriorate to a substandard level of performance." Unquote.  

  The mathematics of the relationship between test specificity, disease
prevalence and positive predictive value consistently predict that in
low-prevalence populations - the average person, by the way, - almost all
positives are false positives.  

  Now, in the general population - which the C. D.C. estimates to have a
prevalence of HIV infection of 0.04% - using a test it shows that the average
person would not be positive, but could show positive.  Though I'm just
suggesting this; I'm suggesting a challenge.  I'm suggesting that the HIV
antibody test should not be used. I'm suggesting that it meets no scientific
"gold standard".  

  I'm suggesting that because it cross-reacts with so many other things,
including, in Africa, that it cannot be distinguished - you cannot
distinguish the difference between what we're calling AIDS and so many other
conditions such as malaria and tuberculosis.  And in fact there's no "gold
standard" even for the HIV positive test. 

  For example: the Western Blot  by which you're measuring four strands of
the gag gene in one country, three in Australia, two in Africa.  The P-120,
P-160, P-41, P-32, P-24,  P-31 - so what they're doing is if you tested
positive in one country you could go to another country and test negative.
 Same test, same blood.  Just because they have different standards.  There's
not even a standard, a universal standard.  

  So it is crazy.  It's crazy.  And I'll tell you this:  Why don't you do
this:  Ask your average doctor who would give you an antibody test, ask him,
"Describe the Western Blot.  What is it exactly?  What exactly is it
measuring?  How exactly does it measure it?  And how exactly is it different
from the ELISA test?"  

  Then say this:  "Did you know that they stopped using the Western Blot in
most of Europe and in England in 1992, because they saw that it was so
worthless?"  Then ask your doctor, "Did you know that the man, Robert Gallo,
makes a royalty off every one of these tests that are done?  That it is one
of the most profitable tests in the word?  And who does the money go to?"

  I'm Gary Null.  I'd like for you to think on that.  Now, let's go over to
Jim.  Jim, how are you doing?

MONTEVELLI:  I'm doing OK, Gary.  That was very interesting.

GARY NULL:	Well, it's the kind of thing that no one talks about.  You're
certainly not going to read about it in the New York Times.  You're not going
to read about it in most of the AIDS publications, because everyone has
already accepted it as absolute religious dogma that the HIV test is
legitimate.  And hence they make our determination of who is going to get
AIDS based upon a false test that has no standard.  

MONTEVELLI:  Well, I'm definitely going to look into that.  I found it very
interesting.  I've never heard any of that.

GARY NULL:	I know, and so I put this challenge out.  I challenge any doctor
in the world to show me that I'm wrong.  And fair enough; find a doctor - but
remember: they must show that if a test is to be considered a "gold standard"
it must have certain criteria.  For instance, if you're going to say, "We're
going to test you for smallpox," right?  And your blood is going to be tested
to see if it reacts against smallpox.  It can't react against anything else,
otherwise it would be a false positive, correct?

MONTEVELLI: Right.

GARY NULL:	Then did anyone know that we had all these false positives with
the HIV antibody test?

MONTEVELLI: I'd never heard that. That's why I found that very interesting,
that the test was very unreliable, and other thing can trigger it off.  

GARY NULL:	All these other things can. Do you know that seven out of ten
people in San Francisco who had a flu vaccine, a flu shot after they gave
blood, then tested positive on an HIV antibody test?  And yet all of them
were in low-risk groups, then later tested negative?

MONTEVELLI:  Well, I can certainly see... You're basically saying that AZT
can cause a lot of AIDS-like symptoms, or basically kill people . . .

GARY NULL:	I'm saying that AZT cannot be distinguished from AIDS in its
symptoms.

MONTEVELLI: In its effects, yeah.

[continued and concluded in 2/2]

GARY NULL:	Now I have the manual of AZT, and I have the Merck manual on its
side-effects.  All the side effects are virtually indistinguishable from
AIDS.  So, think of Kimberly Bergalis.  Think of Ryan White and healthy young
people who tested positive and could have tested positive. Ryan White's a
hemophiliac . . . A lot of false positives.

  So let's say they test false positive, but they're otherwise healthy.
 They're put on chemotherapy.  Now, do you know any human being who could
stay healthy being given one of the most toxic chemotherapy drugs - so toxic
that when AZT was originally created it was not created by Burroughs
Wellcome, it was created by the National Cancer Institute and they banned it.
 They wouldn't use it because it was too toxic.  Now you give this to a
healthy young immune system.  What do you think is going to happen to that
immune system?

MONTEVELLI:  Well, I can see why it would definitely cause problems.  

GARY NULL:	You bet it would.  So then the person ends up having a complete
breakdown of the immune system.  Now here's the "Catch-22":  As the immune
system continues to deteriorate, then you start flooding the body with
antibiotics.  What happens when you flood the body with antibiotics?  Further
breakdown of the immune system.  And in time, then the person develops
thrush.  Well, I can take any healthy person in this audience, stress their
immune system for three days, and they'll get candida.  Now either you
rebuild the immune system, rest the person, detox it and clean it so it
re-creates normalcy, or you give it an antibiotic.

MONTEVELLI: You're also making the point that there's a lot of money made as
a result of AZT and the patents on these drugs and on the AIDS test.

GARY NULL:	I don't believe one nickel should be spent on the war on AIDS.
 Not one penny.  Not one nickel.  And do you know why?

MONTEVELLI: Why is that?

GARY NULL:	Because we are spending six billion dollars.  More money will be
spent on AIDS this year than on cancer and heart disease combined.  We have
600,000 people dying of cancer - 1.7 million new cases.  We have a million
people dying of heart disease.  We have 50 million people with heart disease.
 And yet the most AIDS cases that we can find on an un-reliable test is
600,000 people.  Six hundred thousand! -  And since the whole history of AIDS
in this country, and consider that at least one third of those were never
tested.  

  And now look at how many that were tested and would have tested false
positive and that gives you an idea that we've been putting money into a
campaign that is based upon bad science.  And we should pull back and get rid
of the politics.  Get rid of all the special interest groups.  Get rid of all
the screaming activists who are self-serving and take a good look.  What do
we have?  And what we see we have are people and conditions based on
lifestyle that should be modified.

  But if you go tell someone, "Hey, what you did could have caused your
disease," they're going to get up and scream in your face.  They don't want
to hear that.  They don't want to be responsible.  Nobody wants to be
responsible.

  And I say - and by the way I just challenged HIV antibody test - but I'm
ready to challenge every single aspect of this because I've been studying -
I've spent thousands of hours - I just spent a whole lot of time in Europe
and all over the world. I've got film footage from five countries in Africa
where doctors who have lived there and worked there their WHOLE CAREER, Jim,
their whole career in the epicenter of so-called AIDS, will tell you, "I've
never seen a case of AIDS."

  They're in the epicenter.  They've seen thousands of cases of malaria and
T. B.  And they say, "You know why?  It's really strange.  Someone will come
over here and photograph all these people in villages where there is no
electricity and no running water and no sanitation, no sewers ... no FOOD.
 They see people dying.  They say, 'Hummm, must be AIDS."'  

  And they take all the people that they consider AIDS and they make a figure
out of that.  Now the country gets five million dollars for AIDS. They get
new vehicles. They get loads of condoms.  And they make new roads.  Not a
nickel goes to feeding the people.  Not a nickel goes to fixing their
tuberculosis or their malaria.  Not a nickel goes to putting in new water
systems or sanitation.  No money goes into any of the things that could
fundamentally shift the people's health.  

  As a result, when the doctors there DO - through Christian charities,
through Catholic organizations, through the Jesuit organizations - feed
people and help them with their malaria, lo and behold the miracle of a
miracle, they no longer have AIDS.  Well, of course they never had AIDS.
 They had T. B. and malaria and now they don't have it.  Now they're well.
 But does any news media want to cover that?  Does any AIDS organization want
to put that in their magazine?  You bet not.  

  So I just think it's time that we stop all this nonsense and be honest.
 And you know, you almost get to a point in America where you don't know if
anyone can ever be honest again about anything.

MONTEVELLI:  (Laughs)  I know what you mean!

GARY NULL:	Did you ever . . . if Tom Brokaw . . . SCREW THESE PEOPLE, MAN!!!
 I don't know ANYBODY in the media who can be honest anymore.  I can't find a
politician that's honest.  I can't find a lawyer that's honest. I can't find
an activist that's honest. I can't find ANYONE in the AIDS organizations that
is willing to be honest because everybody's got their ego attached, their
self-interest attached.  

  Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of jobs are now in these
foundations that are completely self-serving?  The whole PURPOSE of their
foundation is to promote.  And no one says, "Where'd you get your money?  How
much of your money came from Burroughs Wellcome?"  Do you know the largest
giver or research grants in England is the Wellcome Foundation, the Burroughs
Wellcome company that makes AZT is giving more money to doctors?  Are those
doctors going to turn around and bite the hand that fed them?  Are they?

MONTEVELLI:  Not likely.

GARY NULL:	And in America, we're the whore of whore countries.  Right?  we'll
sell anything.  

MONTEVELLI:  That's my topic . . .


GARY NULL:	Hey, am I wrong?  If I'm wrong tell me I'm wrong.  

MONTEVELLI:  As far as I know, you're right.  I want to look into this AIDS
thing.  I want to know more about this, and I think it's very interesting.
 You say very provocative things, but you back it  up with a lot of evidence.
 So I want to look into it.  

GARY NULL:	Have I ever said anything that I don't have the documentation for?

MONTEVELLI:  No,  you usually have evidence of everything you talk about . .
. 

GARY NULL:	I have evidence for everything, and if you come down to my office,
I'm sitting here with over 100,000 studies.  I've got the largest private
collection of AIDS research and alternative approaches in this country.  I
wouldn't be saying this if I hadn't gone out there and spent hours and hours
and hours.  By the way, do you know anyone who's gone out to interview  Kary
Mullis  who won the Nobel Prize for creating the PCR?

MONTEVELLI:	No, I don't know about that.

GARY NULL:  When I was interviewing him I said, "Do you know why anyone has
NOT come to interview you?"  And he said, "Yeah.  I know why."  I said, "Why
is that?"  He said, "I've got something to tell them that they don't want to
hear, and that's going to go against everything they've been publishing and
everything they believe.  So they just kind of avoid me." [Editor's note:
Noble Prize Winner Mullis has stated that HIV is not necessary for AIDS and
cannot by itself cause  AIDS.]

[end]

EXCERPT FROM NATURAL LIVING 6/14/96 BROADCAST


GARY NULL:  This is for those who believe that HIV tests are legitimate:
 I've asked my audience not to take HIV tests.  I consider them a scientific
fraud.  And I defy any doctor, any scientist in this audience, to prove me
wrong.  I've just completed the most in-depth, comprehensive investigation of
world-wide literature.  I've done over a hundred interviews with leading
scientists, biologists and retro-virologists and I can't find where there's
ANY legitimate tests that you could take to determine if you even have what
we're calling an HIV virus, which you'll see on upcoming programs, that I'm
even going to challenge that the HIV virus exists, let alone the HIV
legitimate test.

  Well, there was a group of individuals - clearly from one organization in
New York City - who also, I might add, get a lot of their money from
Burroughs Wellcome, the makers of AZT.  And one of these people confronted me
on the street about a month ago.  I was walking out of a health-food store
and walking down the street and this guy comes up and just starts screaming
in my face:  "You're telling people they shouldn't be getting an HIV test?
 That's the only way we can save people!"  

  I listened to him rant and rave and carry on.  And I said, "Well, show me
that the HIV antibody test is specific for the HIV virus, and I would
recommend it.  But you can't do that.  Show me the evidence.  Bring it over
to my office.  I'll sit and go over it with you."  And of course he had no
evidence because there is no evidence.

  The Western Blot test is a fraud.  Absolute fraud.  And I'm calling any
doctor who uses it: "Be wary.  The day may come when you get massive lawsuits
and I hope you do. I hope they sue your ass off."  Because think of all the
people that we're now going through all the process of documenting, who've
committed suicide and who have had their lives ruined because they tested
positive for this "antibody."  This is another case where American science
goes crazy, but for a different reason: pure, unmitigated greed.

  Well, guess what I got today?  This is from the American Journal of
Epidemiology.  Research done at Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public
Health; Volume 141, Number 11.  Let them quote exactly from the title of the
article.  Listen carefully, audience, because I promise you -  I promise you,
 you won't read this in the New York Times.  Quote, "Multiple False Reactions
in Viral Antibody Screening Assays After Influenza Vaccination", unquote.
 That's the title of the article.  The article is by a Dr. Lown Samunson
[sp?],  Johanna Buffington, Craig Shapiro, Robert Holman, Tara Shrine [sp],
Brenda Grossman, Alan Williams, and Lawrence Schoenberger.  These are all
doctors. 

   And it goes on to say that U.S. blood donors are routinely screened by
enzyme immuno assay for antibodies to human immuno-deficiency virus one,
human T-cell lymphotrophic virus type one, hepatitis C virus.  And then it
goes on to talk about how the influenza vaccine that people are routinely
given -- in fact, blood donors are ROUTINELY given this after they give
blood, plus, look at how many in the American population get influenza
vaccine.  All fall we're told to get an influenza vaccine.  All winter we're
told to get an influenza vaccine.  

  Now this shows that the antibodies in that influenza vaccine, GUESS WHAT! -
will cross react with the HIV antibody test.  Which means that if you have no
HIV at all, if you had this vaccine, you could end up getting a false
positive test.  Even if it's repeated, you could get a false positive test.
 Imagine . . . And by the way, this is not the only study of its kind.  I
have a couple other studies, including some people in San Francisco that were
giving blood and 70% of those who gave blood were then given the influenza
vaccine.  Of those who were given the vaccine, 70% tested false positive.

  What do you think goes on in a person's mind when their suddenly told that
they have HIV, the virus that "kills," when in fact, you're never tested for
a virus.  That's not humanly possible with this, because no one to date has
ever isolated the HIV virus.  Not Luc Montagnier, not Gallo, not any of the
people.  All you have is strands of what they're calling particles of an HIV.

  Well, think of what you would do when you went home.  Your immune system
would go right through the floor.  You'd be depressed, you'd be anxious.
 You'd be terrified.  You'd be paranoid.  

  Think of what would happen when you had to start telling everyone in your
life that you had HIV.  Your doctor would immediately, in the knee-jerk
reaction that those simpletons will do, would put you on the most toxic
chemotherapies known.  Chemotherapies that in a healthy individual will KILL
you, will create the very symptom that we're calling AIDS.  And no doctor on
EARTH is capable of distinguishing the difference between diseases that we're
calling AIDS caused by the retro-virals that we give individuals - and the
so-called disease, itself.

  And now you start taking these. And your immune system initially shoots up
for a few months because your body's on full alert.  And then it plummets
down, and it continues to go down.  Why wouldn't it go down?  Five, six times
a day you keep giving it chemotherapy.  But you don't give it chemotherapy
for a month as some people with cancer have, or even two months.  You have to
take it every day the rest of your life.  And then, what had been a
completely healthy, normal person now is dying.  And they're suffering from
an iatrogenic1, drug-induced, doctor-induced death.  

  There was no virus there.  There was not even an antibody to the virus.  It
was cross-reacting.  NOW we have evidence that it cross-reacts with malaria,
tuberculosis, arthritis, lupus, hepatitis.  Yep.  And yet we still allow the
fraud of the AIDS research to continue on, where 100,000 scientists are
bilking the American public for more money each year than is spent on cancer
or heart disease.  

  And by the way, I'll say something else:  Are you aware that in England if
you test positive for HIV you get a car free; you never have to work the rest
of your life.  Here in the United States you immediately go on disability and
spend the rest of your life - even if you're COMPLETELY HEALTHY - and I
interview people who you will SEE, who will tell you right on tape that they
haven't worked a day since they showed up and said they had some night
sweats.  And they get all kinds of special advantages.  They don't have to
work.

  They automatically get Social Security disability payments - they even get
a sticker, some of these people.  They get free transportation and community
[aid] . . all this kind of stuff!  You didn't know it, did you?  Well, you
didn't have a gay lobby behind you.  You didn't have everyone wearing those
nice little red ribbons, did you?  So you see, you made the mistake of
getting cancer. You fool!  You got heart disease!  You should have gotten
AIDS!

  Well, it's about time this whole septic system got challenged.  I'm sick of
it.  I'm going to challenge it and, God, I'm going to challenge this fraud!
 Wait until you see the documentary coming out. It's "comin' at ya," like it
or not, like a ten thousand pound Gorilla.  It's going to come up, over the
hill in about three months.  And hopefully at that time, with the orchestra
of good quality scientists that are NOT frauds, NOT greedy, and NOT lying,
people will know more about this disease syndrome than they've ever known
before.

  Just thought I'd share that with you because I'm particularly interested in
this guy who spat in my face for about three minutes.  I'm going to send him
over a series of articles today because he was emphatic:  "HIV tests are
absolutely accurate."  I said, "No they're not.  There's no science to
support that."   "Everybody should get an HIV test!  We're lobbying to get
EVERYBODY an HIV test."  Hey, their lobbies are pretty good.  Look at all the
pregnant woman now, look at all the babies.  

  All it takes is a really activist group and they can get their agenda set.
 But what if their agenda is the wrong agenda?  That concerns me.  And I'm
also embarrassed at how few journalists have looked at the truth, who KNOW
the truth and want to report on it.  Maybe they won't get invited to Fire
Island or East Hampton this summer.  Well, too bad. 

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1 i·at·ro·gen·ic (º-²t"r...-jµn"¹k) adj. Induced in a patient by a
physician's activity, manner, or therapy. Used especially of an infection or
other complication of treatment. [Greek iatros, physician; see -IATRIC +
-genic.] --i·at"ro·gen"i·cal·ly adv.