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(Editor note: The messages and items found in this search include negative and positive statements towards orgonomy. Some negative statements demonstrate the one sided and mechanistic view by individuals. Some other statements are broadcasted one liners by those who have never investigated what they have chosen to judge negatively. These negative and unsubstantiated statements are part of what Wilhelm Reich would consider as "the emotional plague of mankind". Some however are just orgonomy information or exchange. We post what we find in the searches. We leave it up to the reader to form their own opinions concerning what we found on the news groups.)
"If one wishes to combat the plague one must expose oneself
to it."
Wilhelm Reich, People In Trouble, pg. 187
Most recent item is listed last. Long items occasionally edited to show only text related to - orgone.
date: 96-02-01
Re:
INWO: Draft _Assassins_ Concordance (LONG)
From: vampire
@wam.umd.edu (Jack Dracula)
Date: 1996/02/01
MessageID: 4erggu$2je@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu#1/1
references: <4ec5bd$q63@access2.digex.net>
<ralph.823118876@diaga.fac.cs.cmu.edu>
organization: University of Maryland College Park
newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.misc
Ralph Melton <ralph@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:
>>Orgone Grinder
Um, when I first saw the cardname, thought it was a play off Organ Grinder,
y'know, those guys with monkeys on the street. Anyways.
>> Reference to the theories of Wilhelm Reich, who claimed to have
>> discovered a form of "life energy" called "orgone". Reich ran afoul of
>> the FDA on several occasions in the 1950s; he died in prison in
1957.
>Note also that the depicted contraption bears at least a loose
>resemblance to Reich's 'cloudbuster', which supposedly caused rain
>and dispersed clouds.
Also note that orgone energy is still mentioned in certain New
Age material, and has been suggested as the strange energy
present in Kirlian auras.
Jack Dracula
goth freak
Re: Skepticism, Peck's definition of evil & NLP
From JACKIEPATTI <Jackiep@cris.com>
Organization Concentric Internet Services
Date Fri, 2 Feb 1996 22:25:42 -0500 (EST)
Newsgroups alt.hypnosis,alt.psychology.nlp,sci.skeptic
Message-ID <Pine.SUN.3.90.960202204700.11551D-100000@voyager.cris.com>
Jason L. Eriksen <jerikse@bsd.luc.edu> writes:
>Hi Jackie!
Hi Jason! I was an hour late to work today due to
answering your post, and was sorta flabbergasted to come home and
find such a long reply! Well, here goes.......................
..........................
>I'm currently looking into "suppressed" research of Nutrasweet that
>has been brought to my attention by some activists on the Net.
>They say the studies on Medline are funded by Monsanto and other
>corporate sponsors, and therefore is dangerously biased and
>unsafe. Those studies were peer-reviewed. From the activists'
>files, I got lots of information, but only second-hand reports of
>studies, none of which I have seen. Who should I believe?
>(Do a Websearch on Nutrasweet to see what I am talking about.)
>: Another example I am aware of: did you know the FDA has ordered
>: book burnings? Seriously. Go do a Web search of "orgone." I've been
>: looking into it and haven't yet conducted any experiments so don't know
>: if it's hogwash or not, but I find it really interesting the way the
>: government reacted to it.
>Orgone therapy, by William Reich? I've looked into that. It's pure >quackery.
Yeah? Which of his experiments did ya try to replicate and how did it go? I don't know enough to have an opinion yet. True, it was during the 50's, but I still find it way mind-boggling that the FDA got a court order to burn books. I also find it interesting that real MD kinda doctors in several industrialized, regulated, European countries use orgone generators to treat cancer. I've also seen stuff in the scientific literature that uses different words, but the same basic ideas as some of his stuff. Kinda weird. >Also, a scientist can issue a complaint and talk to higher >authorities in the case where a controversal, but well designed, >grant is under review.. >And then there is always in-house money for funding of grants at >good institutions. Controversial research is not that easy to kill. >And, at least in the US, researchers can go to any number of >sources for funding without worrying about some mysterious cabal of >suppressive authorities trying to prevent them from doing research.
Yup. Ya can complain. Look, d00d, I KNOW of people who've
been run out of academia for wanting to follow up good results,
when they figgered out ways to continue their work WITHOUT grants.
I mean, it's comforting to believe that all your fellow scientists
are just like you, doing science cuz they wanna KNOW, cuz they're
curious suckers who've been WANTING TO KNOW since they were kids,
but if you're a scientist, ya must know some of the jerk-off's out
there who ain't working out of those kinda motivations at all. I
do. They're lousy scientists and they do lousy science. But some
of 'em are in positions of power and can influence what other
scientsist can and can't do.
Every controversial breakthrough in science that I'm aware
of has been fought teeth-and-nail by the scientific community, it's
ALWAYS been that way. We know about the times that the
controversial science won out, so we have genetics, quantum
mechanics, relativity, etc. We have NO WAY of knowing how many
times the controversial science was killed totally out of existence
though. When ya know that stuff like court-ordered book burnings
happen, it really makes ya wonder.
date: 96-02-21
cloudbusting
From: whipwell@superior.carleton.ca
(William Hipwell)
Date: 1996/02/21
MessageID: 4gfevn$7n4@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca
Organization Carleton University
Date 21 Feb 1996 15:58:20 GMT
Newsgroups ca.environment
Newsgroups: alt.org.earth-first
newsgroups: talk.environment
Organization: Carleton University
The following arrived in my mailbox. Thought I would pass it along.
============== Begin forwarded message=================
From: MRMOE@aol.com (unknown)
To: ag497@freenet.carleton.ca
Subject: Joel Carlinsky
Date: Tue, 13 Feb
ORGONOMY PEDDLERS, CLOUDBUSTING, AND THE ENVIRONMENT
Wilhelm Reich, in his book, the Murder of Christ, spoke of the harm done to the cause of freedom by irresponsible "Freedom Peddlers" and warnedabout the possibility that his own work would be similarly usurped by "Orgonomy Peddlers" who would use it in harmful ways. As with so much Reich said, this warning has been ignored by many people favorably disposed toward Reich and his work, many of whom are supporting and encouraging individuals whose reckless and irresponsible misuse of Reich's discoveries and incompetent and misguided efforts to "prove Reich right" are causing serious ecological damage.
I wish to make clear that the criticism that follows is not directed at Reich and his theories, but only at the actions of certain present-day Reichians whom I regard as incompetent and irresponsible "Orgonomy Peddlers" of the type Reich warned about. I specifically am not contesting the facts of orgone biophysics, but the misguided application of those facts by one group of proponents of Reich's work, specifically, Dr. James DeMeo and his associates.
I am convinced that Dr. DeMeo and his associates are doing a great deal of harm to the environment and to innocent members of the public as well as hurting the long term prospects for serious investigation of Reich's discoveries by ill-conceived cloudbusting operations conducted without proper ecological knowledge or concern for the environment. Dr. DeMeo's obsessive compulsion to convert unbelievers and his need to gather statistics has resulted in devastation to ecosystems and the deaths of numerous people due to storms, floods, and freezing weather.
In 1989, DeMeo, then living in the San Francisco Bay area, conducted a series of cloudbusting operations in the Arizona desert. As recounted in his article in The Journal of Orgonomy, he first visited Arizona in March, two months before the rainy season starts, and within 3 days had produced rain, He subsequently visited Arizona one weekend each month during, the 5-month rainy season and brought rain each time for a seasonal total of 5 times the normal rainfall for the area in which he was working.
Now, in any area with a well-defined wet season and dry season, all native plant and animal species are adapted to the normal dry season and need it. Small burrowing mammals such as pocket mice, kangaroo rats, gophers, etc. give birth underground in the dry season; if it rains unexpectedly at the wrong time of year, the burrows flood and the infants drown; reptiles such as snakes, lizards, the desert tortoise, which is on the endangered species list, the gila monster, found only in Arizona, lay their eggs in the dry season under a thin coat of sand, just enough to hide them but allow the sun to incubate them. If it rains out of season, the sand is washed away and they lose a clutch of eggs. These small mammals and reptiles are the base of the food chain and if their population crashes so will that of the owls, hawks, foxes, coyotes, badgers, and other predators that depend on them.
In Contact With Space, Reich described exactly what he did in Arizona. He spent 5 months in the desert. He drove 100 miles every day just to familiarize himself with the landscape so he could note any changes in it. By contrast, James DeMeo lived in Northern California and commuted down to the desert one weekend each month. After 5 months of patient work, Reich succeeded in obtaining a lush growth of grass without a drop of rain having fallen. That's right! Reich, according to his own report, did not create rain in the desert and did not want to! In fact, he explicitly says that rain would have made it impossible to obtain the increase in plant growth he did obtain, since it would have drowned the developing vegetation. Reich's goal, in which he was successful only after 5 months of patient daily labor, was not to make rain, but to revive the stagnant energy field of the desert to the point where it could regulate itself and produce rain at its own times, not according to some man-made schedule. DeMeo misses this point entirely. He produces-rain on a highly artificial schedule only to create impressive charts and graphs, ignoring the catastrophic effects of 5 times normal rainfall on all plant and animal species, and then, totally disregarding what Reich plainly said, claims to have "replicated' Reich's work in thedesert. He repeatedly refers to "Reich's rainmaking expedition" and to Reich"making rain in the desert" when in fact Reich specifically said he did not do so.
In more recent years DeMeo has undertaken two trips to Namibia to break droughts there with a cloudbuster. He also trained local operators and left equipment with them so that Namibia now has a permanent drought-abatement program in place. Under normal conditions-normal for the last 5-6000 years, that is-Southern Africa has a regular cycle of 3 or 4 good years followed by a drought year. In the dry years, the prevailing winds pick upmillions of tons of dust and carry it out over the ocean. About half of it falls into the ocean where it provides silica and phosphates- essential nutrients-to the photo plankton which are the base of the marine ecosystem food chain. So in years when Southern Africa has droughts, life in the South Atlantic flourishes and in years when Southern Africa has good rains, the South Atlantic marine life dies back. The remainder of the dust is carried over to Brazil, where it is the sole source of trace elements not found in Brazilian soils which are essential nutrients for many tropical rain forest plant species. Like the sea-life, the Brazilian rain forest therefore flourishes in years when Namibia has a drought and declines in years when Namibia has plenty of rain. By establishing a permanent drought abatement facility in Namibia, DeMeo has caused irreparable harm to the global environment. He simply doesn't know-or care-anything about ecology.
In another case of ecological ignorance and irresponsibility, he reports in one of his publications that to make up a water deficit during- a recent series of dry years in California, he extended the rainy season by a month one year and 6 weeks another year. I have spoken to a biologist at the Point Reyes Bird Observatory who tells me that in both of the years in question they lost a significant percentage of baby birds due to inclement weather during the normally dry nesting, season. Baby birds get pneumonia in wet weather. Incidentally, some of the birds affected were on the endangered species list.
DeMeo has also done cloudbusting operations in the Middle East. I have documentation in my files showing numerous deaths of people in the region as a result of catastrophic weather he caused.
Lest I seem to be singling Dr. DeMeo out for exceptionally harsh treatment, some of his associates are just as unaware of ecology and almost asharmful to the environment. DeMeo is the leader of a group called the C.O.R.E. (for Cosmic Orgone Engineering) network. Two other members of the group, Dr. Stephen Nagy and Mr. John Schleining, have taken it upon themselves to play Smokey the Bear and stop forest fires in Oregon in recent years. According to their own reports published in the Journal of Orgonomy, they have caused up to 2.5 inches of rain in a dry summer month which normally has about .25 inch. This is not drought relief; it is blatant disruption. The time to break a years-long drought is in the normal rainy season, not in what is normally the dry season. Despite what Smokey told these people in grade school, natural wildfires have an important role in forest life-cycles and should not be prevented. They open up stands of trees so some can grow, recycle nutrients back into the soil, help some kinds of seeds germinate, and clear away underbrush that would otherwise accumulate enough in several years to cause an eventual really disastrous fire. By meddling in normal forest fire cycles, Schleining and Nagy are following an outmoded fire-suppression policy which the Forest Service now realizes was a mistake and has abandoned.
According to the same report in the Journal of Orgonomy, the cloudbuster was also used to prevent fire in another way besides increasing rainfall: it was used to decrease the number of lightning strikes in the area. Now, aside from its role in creating useful and necessary fires, lightning fixes atmospheric nitrogen into compounds plants can utilize. For plant species that lack a symbiotic nitrogen-fixing bacteria on their roots, including many temperate-zone forest trees, lightning plays an essential role as a source of fertilizer, so this application of the cloudbuster, far from benefiting thex environment, amounts to mere vandalism of Oregon's forests.
Cloudbusting, to be done responsibly, requires an ecologist as part of the team. Otherwise, even with a thorough knowledge of orgonomy and the best of intentions, harm will result. For any large-scale or long-term project, an environmental impact study prepared by an ecologist familiar with the area is a must. This is standard procedure nowadays for all government agencies and large corporations; without it, cloudbusting is just another environmental problem. It will not help orgonomy to become known as a form of pollution.
Although at the early stages of his cloudbusting work, Reich did use terms like "engineering" and "weather control," by the end of his career he had superseded such concepts and, drawing the analogy of the difference between a dictator and a guide, stressed that the function of cloudbusting is not to control weather in a dictatorial manner, but to remove blockages that obstruct normal atmospheric functioning and restore the ability of the atmosphere to regulate itself. Cloudbusting in Reich's concept is not technology, but atmospheric medicine; the healing of a sick atmosphere to restore atmospheric self-regulation, after which it should be left alone. People who use terms like "weather control" and "engineering-" to describe cloudbusting, miss the point entirely. Reich was very clear on this point. DOR fields-some natural, some caused by nuclear and/or electromagnetic technology-obstruct normal atmospheric conditions. The cloudbuster can and should be used to remove such obstacles and heal the atmosphere. It should not be used to impose an artificial, man-made climate regime for political or economic purposes.
In his promotional literature, Dr. DeMeo speaks glowingly of his wish to "green the worlds' deserts" and "turn barren deserts into lush pastures." But what he thinks of as "barren" deserts are in fact complex and fragile dryland ecosystems composed of hundreds of plant and animal species that are well-adapted to their dry habitat over thousands of years. Artificially increasing rainfall to the point of creating "lush pastures" will doom many of them to extinction. The increase in pasturage of the type that will support domestic cattle will result in the exploitation for cattle grazing of habitat of many native life-forms now protected by the fact that they live in regions too dry for humans to exploit. Cattle grazing, and the land-degradation it causes, is a major cause of wildlife extinctions and ongoing recertification in much of the world, including much of the recertification that Dr. DeMeo wrongly ascribes to atmospheric stasis. A short-sighted program to green the world's deserts will only result in a further impoverished biosphere.
It should be noted that although there are no laws specifically regulating cloudbusting, the National Environmental Policy Act requires that anyproject that will affect the environment prepare an environmental impact study and have a means-such as public hearings-by which members of the publiccan voice objections and exercise some input into decisions that can affect their lives. The Endangered Species Act prohibits any project that would destroy members of a listed species or their habitat. And The Wilderness Act prohibits any action that would modify the natural conditions of adesignated wilderness area, which in the Western United States would be impossible to avoid, given the extent of the area covered by a typical cloudbusting operation. The authorities, of course, make no effort to enforce such laws in the case of cloudbusting because they regard it as ineffective. It is extremely hypocritical to take advantage of their disbelief to violate laws with impunity while simultaneously denouncing them for their refusal to believe in the cloudbusters' effectiveness. In spite of the failure of environmental protection agencies to enforce the laws, those laws are reasonable and justified for the protection of the environment and a responsible person who cares about the earth and its creatures would voluntarily comply.
I have harshly criticized Dr. DeMeo and his associates, but I have tried to make my criticisms substantive. In the past, Dr. DeMeo and his friends have responded to criticisms by name-calling and personal attacks on the alleged motivations, affiliations, character, psychiatric condition, lifestyle, criminal history, and previous publications of the critic, all of which is totally irrelevant. DeMeo also tends to confuse any attack on his own work with an attack on Reich and orgone theory in general and frequently responds with a recital of the wrongs inflicted on Reich by the F.D.A. 40 years ago. I therefore want to point out that ad hominum attacks and rehashing old grievances will hardly constitute a rebuttal to the specific criticisms I have made.
There are several excellent sources of information on Reich and orgonomy other than James DeMeo and his clique. For example, an expensive but very good correspondence course in orgone physics is available from Dr .Charles Kelley, 13715 S.E. 36th Street, Steamboat Landing, Vancouver, WA 98684. Dr. Kelley was a student of Reich in the 1950s and a former meteorologist. His course, while rather expensive is probably the best systematic presentation of Reich's physics available.
I am available for consultation and would welcome correspondence from anyone who wants information on orgonomy or has anything to say on the subject.
Comments on issues raised in this article are invited.
Joel Carlinsky
6 Pond Road
Hawley, MA 01339
U.S.A.
C.O.R.E. NETWORK CENSORS THE INTERNET
Among the countless small movements utilizing the internet to spread their messages is orgonomy, the science of orgone energy developed in the 1940's and 50's by the late Dr. Wilhelm Reich. An orgonomy Mailing List exists with about 80 members and an orgonomy bulletin board called Public Orgonomic Research Exchange (P. 0. R. E.), run by a high-school science teacher in Maine named Jamerling Ogg.
One of the many aspects of orgonomy is a device invented by Dr. Reich called a cloudbuster. This device, although intended to improve atmospheric conditions by freshening the atmosphere and setting stagnant energy into motion, to the benefit of all species, can also, according to Reich and others, manipulate weather conditions and in the wrong hands do ecological damage. A group of Reichs' followers called the Cosmic Orgone Engineering Network (C. O. R. E.) have done a lot of experimenting with cloudbusters and due to almost total ignorance of ecology and an arrogant irresponsible attitude have caused considerable environmental harm. Since orgonomy is not part of mainstream orthodox science, no government agency regulates cloudbusting and only the small number of Reichians is concerned.
An environmental activist with a long-standing interest in orgonomy, Joel Carlinsky, has documented numerous cases of environmental harm done by the experiments of the C.O.R.E. Network. He sent an article critical of their irresponsibility to Mr. 0gg to be posted on P.O.R.E. Mr. Ogg, trying to be fair and impartial sent a copy to the C.OR.E. group, inviting them to write a response. What he got instead was a threat of a lawsuit if he published Carlinskys' criticisms. This tactic, although never successful in court, is frequently used by polluting industries to intimidate and silence environmentalists. Unfamiliar with environmental activism and fearing heavy financial losses from what had started out as a mere hobby, Mr. Ogg decided not to publish the article.
(Pore editorial note: The below links have been added to give readers an oppurtunity to see DeMeo's Response even though it was not on a newsgroup but on a mail list originally. There presently is no archive of the Orgonomy Mail List that this first appeared on. The Orgonomy Mail list has been terminated since December 23, 1997)
"Response by James DeMeo to Disinformation and
Smears on the Internet: The 'Orgonomy Peddlers' Article" Part
1, Part
2, and Part
3. Note, these materials are published at
another Internet web site and were originally sent to the OML on 96feb19.
Re:
The Warehouse ???
From: thanatos@psycfrnd.interaccess.com
(Timothy Toner)
Date: 1996/02/21
MessageID: 4gf26v$6o6@psycfrnd.interaccess.com#30/44
Segment 30 of 44
G[CSEL][BU]- Area 'A'
A whole bunch of perpetual motion dohickeys.[[ Most of these gizmos will
be in Area 'A', but a few (any of type GR_ for instance) will be in Area
'C'
since they cannot be shut off without breaking them. If anyone can send
me
a list of different PM attempts, and/or some references then I could
fill this section in more fully. ]]
GBA-0614
Experimental seeds for a plant that grows rapidly in salt water and produces
highly nutritional tubers, that could solve the worlds food problems.
G??
A working orgone energy machine
Wilhelm Reich, an Austrian therapist who eventually emigrates to
the U.S.
in 1939, invented this device to collect and harness "orgone,"
a
universal force that bound all things together. Generated by living
things, the energy could be gathered and redirected at sick individuals,
allowing them to recover faster. It could also be used to purify objects,
and items permeated with this energy could transmit their energy, making
people attracted to one another.
G??
A working anti-gravity device Thomas Edison theorized that gravity was
a form of energy, or a particle,and thus it was possible to shield an
object from its influence. Theories range from chemicals found in bird's
wings, as well as various alloys that are readily buoyant.
G* An overbalanced wheel, partially submerged in water. The idea is
that thewheel would turn because it was overbalanced, and use the
buoyancy of the water to help raise the wheel back into place for
another swing around. Invented by Leonardo da Vinci.
G* A set of sponges and weights on a loop of chain, wrapped around three
axles arranged in a triangle. The base of the triangle is immersed in
water. The chain spins (pulled by the weights and the wet sponges),
while the sponges are squeezed dry on their upward swing. Invented by
Sir William Congreve of the British Parlament.
Re:
ROY 10rcet...... forgot SWAGGIE!!!!!
From: dynasor@infi.net
(Dennis McClain-Furmanski)
Date: 1996/02/23
MessageID: 4gjp0g$6iu@nw002.infi.net
references: <4g72qu$mpj@bolivia.it.earthlink.net>
<312bd003.7886461@news1.radix.net>
organization: InfiNet
newsgroups: alt.bogus.group,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,alt.culture.usenet
lamer@earthlink.net (lamer@earthlink.net) wrote:
MEDITATION AT THE WHEEL
In the 1950's sales was the best game to be in and "Bob" was the
best at it., and his top-seller,
ALL THINGS THAT SELL or THE BOOK OF ALL THINGS (1957).
"Bob" also had considerable success with a number of homeopathic rem-
edies he learned from his grandfather. Most were herbal medicines, but one
large contraption which sold well combined a pyramid, and orgone accumul-
ator, and a hairdryer to create a box looking much like a Tidican, in which
stress-ridden people were told to sit and sweat until they were purified.
Happy users of the device raised a fruitless uproar when it was banned by
the very Conspiracied A.M.A.
It was in 1955 that "Bob" had his lesser-known Second Major Pre-Vision.
Once again, a great deal of Divine Suffering was involved. But, where some
other great cult leader might get crucified, leave it to "Bob" to come up
with a shortcut - in this case, a hernia operation. So important is this
event to Church dogma that devout followers sometimes display spontaneous
hernia stigmata.
28
The Book Of The SubGenius The Miracle Of
"Bob's"
Tyranny
: : Swaggie sorry, .. I omitted yer name
: : mate, and do YOU deserve credit in this pirate raid of liberation!!!
: lamer@wank.wank.wank
--
Doktor DynaSoar Iridium -- dynasor@infi.net -- Punctuator of Evolution
cloudbusting
From: whi
pwell@ccs.carleton.ca (William Hipwell)
Date: 1996/02/29
MessageID: 4h55d0$k80@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca#1/1
organization: Carleton University
newsgroups: ca.environment
I find I have been unwittingly embroiled in a bitter dispute between James DeMeo and Joel Carlinsky. I would like to apologize for having posted a recent Carlinsky article on cloudbusting in which he makes a number of accusations against DeMeo. It seems the issue is more complex than I had been led to believe. I would urge anyone out there to stay away from this feud. A note to both DeMeo and Carlinsky: Whatever it is you are doing, please remember the sanctity of Mother Earth and please do nothing that could cause environmental damage. Not that I think either of you would... Hope this sorts things out and gets me out of the firing line. BH ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Hipwell, Dept. of Geography, Carleton University Email address: whipwell@ccs.carleton.ca "Always pull up survey stakes!" - Edward Abbey ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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