i'm really confused now

*points to hubba thread

sorry fnord, i've been feeling a little horse lately.

yeah barbie, Clytemnestra vows vengenace on Agamemnon as soon as she hears about Iphigeneia's death. She adds insult to injury by hooking up with his cousin.

who's was it? not that expletiveing elton john again?

But Clytemnestra always thinks shes been killed tho doesnt she?

Im really glad you remember her name, Morgan, cos it was beginning to really annoy me that I couldn't!

cost me £2 in copyright payments that 'no'

chris just gets it from books and other websites. never written an original thread yet.

he even cut and pasted that 'no'.

Although according to which legend/play you read, the daughter (Iphigeneia) was spirited away at the last minute to become a priestess of Isis in Egypt.

Best example of romantic love in the Iliad is Hector and Andromache (although they both end up dead).

straightforward = simplistic .. much better word!

I wish I could write intellectual sounding posts like Chris instead of really straightforward rants!

one less mouth to feed - and it worked.

Clytemnestra is really thinking about killing him cos he sacrifices their daughter on the way to Troy to ensure the gods are on their side (!?)

However she is portrayed as being really bad for even challenging her husband even tho he has done this terrible thing.

of course, but this is still culture and literature of the time.

the ordinary greek bloke, as we know, loved it up the thighs.

i think they've always been basically incestuous bestiality freaks

we are talking here though about the aristocratic / cultural elite, not the day to day lives of greek people

Aegithus, that sounds like the chappy.

no

That is why I said I was simplifying it all!

Clytemnestra hooked up with some bloke (Aegithus? perhaps) and plans to kill him upon his return. I can't even remember if its in the Oresteia or not!

can't have that, can we?

racine's greek tragedies depict a lot of those relationships as romantic love, though could just have been his own later perspective on them . though mebbe gooner is right. i hope not.

Agamemnon - the first man to have a clit, and it killed him.

But, and I don't know much on this, wasn't Agga's death plotted a year before his return?

The opposite relationship to the Odysseus Penelope one of course, is that of Agamemnon and Clytemnestra.

And all because he brings Cassandra back from the war with him ..

oh I do like simplifying the classics!

yes, you did well my son

i tried my best to bring it back pins.

preferred Helen of Neighbours. dirty old cow.

hee hee Pins!

still, what about that Helen of Troy eh? I would have

he foresaw the difficult second album and fall from grace i reckon

if he'd known about her multi-million pound recording contract, he would've had second thoughts.

the concept of oneness in eastern mysticism is

they were immortal, and i think he referred to them as goddesses. by all accounts they were very fit anyway.

what of penelope's love for odysseus though?

expletive me start a flippant thread and some bellend turns it into a intellectual one.

Is nothing sacred?

just like interviews with arsenal players really

And what about Aeneas dumping Dido, just so that he could found Rome. Where's the romance in that hey?

it's not that all in this context. it's a metaphysical concept and an interpretation of what the ultimate human fulfilment is.

but then ancient texts are always open to dubious translation and interpretation. perhaps my modern view of the texts, and their translation, is tainted by a modern romantic view?

who knows?

And he didn't reflect about his wife, he reflected about Ithaca, his country

Neither Circe or Calypso were goddess as such, although neither were human .. nymphs perhaps? (i can't remember, does it show?)

to me, romance isn't always flowers and clouds and puppy dogs.

infidelity is sometimes used to show romantic feelings. (wo)man has affair/encounter, makes him/her reflect on a relationship they'd begun to take for granted. the romantic love between a married (wo)man and their lover.

and let's face it, his misstress was a godess.

oops

you ask to be educated, and they fack off.

Odysseus wasn't faithful tho, does that not impact upon the argument at all?

only trying to help you break the ice.

ok. thanks for the tip....

You could casually mention that you went airtight last week and guage his reaction. You'll get to guage his sexual athleticism and take it from there.

so in what way were those two couples not romantically linked?

yeah barbie did classics she knows this stuff

penelope and odysseus, helen and menelaus, to name but the one example i can think of.

the love between a husband and wife in greek times was a contractual arrangement goons as well you know. now between a man and his young male lover, maybe there was something akin to what you might feel nowadays.

Umm the greeks didn't really Goons..

hehehe.

dunno, just find shy, quiet, geeky blokes = total sex on legs. and the quiet ones are nearly always utterly awesome in bed / have almost unbearably fantastic dirty minds too, in my experience.

not a dominatrix, no. sorry! ;o)

not the same, nothing is, but still the notion. the greeks certainly did.

but with less clothes on and more vengeful immortals.

dominatrix is an anagram of 'a dorti minx'.

next question

How would I slip that into the conversation and why?

i knew a girl called donna matrix.

*apologises for divorcing pins without permision*

then we're in some kind of a time loop andrew

then we're in some kind of a time loop andrew

i knew a girl called donna matrix.

pins - airtight is where your three key orifices are plugged with male genitalia:

eft nostril, belly button and left ear.

lips, I'm shy, geeky, brash, confident, anything you like darlin. call me the new fnord. fnord++ perhaps?

right.

fecking weirdos

which ancient civilisations had the same concept of romantic love as modern western societies gooner? i think it's a medieval invention, chansons de geste and all that, tristan and isolde.

I hope so

really lips? what is it that makes that attractive? sensitivity? or vulnerability - are you a dominatrix?

and i refer you, ment, back to my 16.42, which is more correct.

yeah menta, but who'd tell him?

no, far too prickly for me

of course, a male gorilla has an erect penis 2 inches long.

I'm shy AND geeky! and a rampant perv but don't let that put you off

with all the oriental cack that we get fobbed off with, such as feng shui and yoga, i reckon we should bring concubines back into fashion.

you serious pins? 'airtight' - his cock, your mont du sexe. you know...don't ya?

shy or geeky or both, i don't mind. all makes me go hhhhnngghhhh.

andrew, for your answer to your 16:42 I refer you to chris's 16:41

come on getty

I'll set 'em up...

trust, fun, encouragement...satisfaction! we're working for you here man.

This debate is taking me back to a semi-conscious conversation in the Old Parrs Head.

you can do that az.

don't underestimate yourself Az

indeed

you mean since Ra, goons?

Shy I can do, not sure about the geeky though.

I'll have to think how best to explain pins.

i bet that bison's hung like a horse

>>Romantic love as we think of it is a relatively new concept<<

if you count 'since ancient civilisation' as modern, yeah.

true menta. false binary. logocentricism. just worship the bison.

course not menta - and that's only cynicism over here - it's an accepted cultural truth in large parts of the world, such as east asia. the troubadours popularised romantic love - they were bribed by milk tray.

but as we know chris, we can't be 'saved' from dualism as we fall into the 'saved' / 'not saved' dualism as a result.

ths debate is taking me back to semi-concious conversations in student bars.

still don't get it

say AMEN brother

i prefer the shy geeky bloke over the over-confident smoothie any day of the week.

closest i get to a sexy man at work is my Ewan McGregor poster, but this is the price of working from home i s'pose!

Romantic love as we think of it is a relatively new concept anyway and has little to do with long term relationships where practical issues become the dominating force over time. < / cynic>

*leaves thread...baffled*

the directional unity of the horns represents a monofocular view of the world that could save us from the dualist anxiety we've been going through since the myth of the fall.

Bison schmison.

I've made my point.

think about it pins.

gooner: 'ex' slag?????????????

I guess you don't actually get to 'go airtight' via 40% so it doesn't count.

we put too much emphasis on the individual sex-love relationship these days. communal boning and mass worship of the bison as a conduit to god would make a change.

I don't get that, Getty

except we change everyday, how can one person hope to change with us over time? or is that written into their 'perfection' too?

btw, who was 'ashamed to say my own name', the 40%er who was fancying the ugly girl at work? did they ever own up?

It's unfeasible that everyone who has ever settled down has found 'the one, the only one', so either there's a lot of 'feck it, this'll do' going on or our demands are flexible.

agree entirely with chris's 16:32 as usual. i might form a fan club.

as an ex-slag, i go with (a). most women are attractive in some way.

certain of us don't possess a 'type', which makes finding easier, but choosing harder.

"going airtight"

hehehehehehehe

smooth barbie, smooth, i think i like you again.

pins - try slipping "going airtight" into your next conversation with him.

me too pins ta!

i think the perfect woman, or man, exists for everyone, near as damnit...it's a matter of luck and timing. if you think of all the members of the sex that you are attracted to as being on a spectrum, from 'no way' to 'almost perfect', everyone has a cut off point where they think 'ok let's settle down now', with other factors like age, money, work, desire for kids etc factored in. there are literally tens of thousands of people on the planet than each person could fall in love with and spend a good long time with.

Im not brave enough Boy!

And anyway, there is nothing rude I could say about you in this context surely?

Pearls before swine girls, I'll just go back to talking bout wanking then.

Barbie: bring it on baby, but glass houses don't come cheap.

catagory B is shit, because they'll never stop searching for something that doesn't exist.

I prefer an up front slag

shit i've got a hangover that's just starting, don't drink midweek with friends who work from home.

i'm category b) morgan btw, but i reckon you're pretty much right

Oh I'm just so misunderstood! I'm an artist you know, how can expect you commoners to understand my plight? hehe

Menta - what does it mean? Someone wrote it about me on the toilet wall, I haven't got a clue!

So Chris, there is a good-looking man in your office then

Im soooo smooth!

Hee hee Im wondering how much rudeness I could say about menta without him getting cross!

ANd no, I don't know what he is on about either (16.23)

"oleaginous"

impressive!

well he wasn't pale or southern. Semi scruffy

i wish he was azul, i wish he was.

Menta, I have no idea what you're on about.

Hehehe it wasn't me pins, and I'm sure I don't, sorry darlin. Depending on your predilictions for pale scruffy northerners of course.

just me here :-(
literally. it's a company day off but i love my work.

Friendly schmiendly! He's after something, the oleaginous scoundrel.

If we assume that men who are slags fall into two categories:

a) those who think all women have something exciting and valid about them so all are 'worth a go'

b) those who are looking for the perfect woman for them so keep needing to look for her

My experience tells me that women prefer the guys to be the latter of the two as least it's slightly romantic and that they don't like the former. Any opinions ladies?

no good-looking men here :-(

no it's not! He was just being friendly, we're strangers in a new office, so it was aprreciated.

Was it you menta? If you look like him I'll be over in 5

No response necessary - a suspicious smile or a simple growl will show them the error of their ways.

Ah but you see the appropriate response to 'how are you doing then?' when asked by a stranger (and a strange man at that) is 'what business is it of yours'

If only Pins had known that ..

If I met a new woman at work making coffee I would ask her who she was and what she did etc quite naturally, and I wouldn't see myself as 'cocky' (unless cocky meant man with huge cock of course ahem)

i see the wife has hidden suddenly

Oh dear, I think I may have stirred a big wooden spoon here ..

Lips as in 'My fiancée', Lips? Hoh!

cheeky mare, i missed that

I'm gonna use it Fnord.
"May I unleash your breasts? May I then proceed to share your preference?"

I don't want two women, I want them ALL!
*rubs hands together, laughs maniacally*

Humph, PWX if I remember rightly you divorced Pins last week to marry Lips.

Or have you changed your mind again?

how am I a strumpet? Just said there's a sexy bloke in the office!

says the man that had the option of two women, azul! Don't be soft.

Sorry but someone putting themselves down the whole time isn't sexy. Don't like cockiness but I like confidence

wife! u r such a fekcing strumpet

sharing her preference sounds liek a euphemism

I know Lins, but it sometimes seems everyone shares your preference.

hehe, he didn't point at my vag, fnord

*imagines pins' 16:02 as done by Gareth from The Office*

only my personal preference, Azul.

*despairs at Bobs 16:03*

*despairs at Lins' 16:03*

I think that everytime I look at Andrea Corr, bizarelly enough.

na, not into that Barbie, would rather over confidence than lack of

h-h-h-h-h-hello

you know when you just look at someone and think CORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. He would very much get it.

He's obviously too confident. Means he's a w*nker. You want to meet the ones that just stammer at you, it means they are genuine.

how you doin'? very Joey

smudge - he said "how are you doing then?"

Followed by a "who are you" type question

carefull, talking is only a letter away from stalking

how did he start the conversation? Not that I need any tips of course

was he eating provocitavley?

Had you got your skirt tucked into your knickers again?

no, I WAS making coffee. He was standing in the corner eating some food.

It wasn't a hugely exciting encounter to be fair, but he did start talking to me which was a novelty

You making coffe or him?

coffee - eupherthingy?

Did you get the man to make the coffee? Cos that would be sexy!

desk owning sooz. Although in this place it may not last long...

heheh Z.

There's never any at mine, Bob, but moved to new big office and just had chat with sexy man whilst making coffee

none here.

visiting or desk owning?

many sexy young girls at mine too

Many sexy ladies at my work!

*waves*

and tbf Im mainly chetting..

Sexy man at work alert