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001 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Why do we love HC? & also a
question about "cult" films
002 - mailcall <mailcall@bluema - Cult films
003 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: Cult films
004 - mailcall <mailcall@bluema - Re: Cult films
005 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - KW:Selling out? NOT!
006 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: My so-called career.
007 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Cult films
008 - Laurin McNiff <englishpat - I'm back..
009 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - Play with your own Borovnia!
010 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - Re: Romance: Ever After - A
Cinderella Story (fwd)
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Why do we love HC? & also a question about "cult" films
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 13:27:11 +0200
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Jane Fribit wrote:
> But why then isn't every film considered a cult film, because
> there must be at least one person in the world obsessed by it.
> So I was wondering if you consider HC to be a cult film. I don't like
> the term, but aren't we just a cult following. Does size matter? (btw:
> how many people are on this list?)
I sometimes think that as soon as a few people like a film, it's
considered to be a cult-film. In my tv-magazine terms like 'high calibre
of cult' and 'high cult potential' are used quite often, even to
describe films that aren't that well-known.
> I also do take into account that we are not the only HC fans out
> there. Think of all the non-Internet people with no one to talk to.
> Before I found this mailing list I was alone in my thoughts. (btw:
> Thank you everyone :o))
I also think that if I hadn't found this mailinglist and the non-stop
updated information about everything related to the film, my interest
would have slowly died after a while. Talking to people that also love
HC keeps me interested!
Take care
Marloes
--
I am going your way,
so let us go hand in hand
- William Morris
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From: mailcall <mailcall@bluemarble.net>
Subject: Cult films
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:33:19 -0500 (EST)
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the definition of a cult film used to be a more obscure film -- not
made by
a major studio, or which didn't do well in the box office -- with an
obsessive, dedicated, small following. ???
--==** melanthe alexian **==--
...she just slipped away...
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Cult films
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melanthe wrote:
> the definition of a cult film used to be a more obscure film -- not
made by
> a major studio, or which didn't do well in the box office -- with an
> obsessive, dedicated, small following. ???
yes... it now seems to mean 'very successful film by slightly
off-the-wall
talent/s [Tarantino; the Cohen bros; Kieslowski] whose scripts are
destined to be learnt backwards / venerated unthinkingly / ooed and
aahed
at without really understanding what's happening'. Occasionally it
means
'dreadful film inspiring excessive devotion in odd few', as seems to
have
happened to Showgirls.
My pet theory is that it's something to do with Star Wars. Never before
was a film MARKETED so widely as a 'cult' thing, with models, figures
and
the stuff of endless kiddy fantasy games ready to buy on the shelf.
Never
before could the film so carry on in so many diverse playful (and, who
knows, thoughtful...?) ways which were only indirectly related to the
act
of watching the film.
Check out Rick Moranis playing with his Dark Helmet and Princess Leia
figurines (in Spaceballs) if you'd like an illustration. (Dammit, I
never
did get the R2D2 with retractable third leg).
Cheers,
Phil
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From: mailcall <mailcall@bluemarble.net>
Subject: Re: Cult films
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:53:33 -0500 (EST)
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> My pet theory is that it's something to do with Star Wars. Never
> before was a film MARKETED so widely as a 'cult' thing, with
> models, figures and the stuff of endless kiddy fantasy games ready
> to buy on the shelf.
not since the 1930s and 40s anyway. this used to happen all the time.
they
were called (and i think still are) piggyback merchandise. for a good
look
at what was available check out two books by lorraine burdick called
"adult
star dolls and toys" and "child star dolls and toys". i think that it
has
been a very long time since it was done on this huge a scale. i think
the
last time we saw anything like this was the dionne quintuplets.
(i'm still waiting for the heavenly creatures board game. or for
someone to
turn borovnia into a rpg.)
--==** melanthe alexian **==--
...she just slipped away...
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: KW:Selling out? NOT!
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 98 15:54:48 -0400
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Jeroen wrote:
>She sold out big time.
Of course she is!
She herself said in interviews: "I can't wait to sell out!"
And why not? Even after HC she had to get back behind a deli counter in
London. You don't exactly live it up on NZ actor's "scale" (standard
actor's pay).
Heck, she reportedly worked for scale on TITANIC!
Kate deserves to be courted by the H'wood heavyweights. She deserves to
get big paychecks. She needs to if she is to continue making good
films:
working on big budget flicks is what enables stars to work on "scale"
projects. (Case in point: making "Die Hard with a Vengeance" enabled
Bruce Willis to afford making "Pulp Fiction" for scale).
Kate will continue to take challenging roles. However, she is also
making
sure she isn't forever typecast as "Corset Kate".
The girl has had Oscar nominations (2) for half the years she's been
eligible (4).
She's not selling out! She's getting good work!
You go girl!!!
(:^)]
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: My so-called career.
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lyric wrote:
>your own
>fanclub right here!!! LOL
I hope not. I'm here as a member of the HC fan club, not to oversee the
Hammy Orson Club.
>whatever happened to self-confidence????
Oh. I have self confidence but I don't have the arrogance to pretend
the
Orson part in HC was anything more than an astonishing coincidence (as
far as the casting is concerned) while the performance itself is the
result of great directing on PJ's part.
Not to mention that I worked with the best two actors I've ever met in
the flesh: Kate and Mel. I was just a boogyman. They made me look good.
(:^)]
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Cult films
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 98 16:19:10 -0400
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A cult film is a film who gets a following that doesn't die down with
the
years. It's a film whose audience never tires of repeat screenings and
spreads news about it through word of mouth.
The film that best represents "cult" is "The Rocky Horror Picture Show"
which despite bombing disastrously when it first came out began packing
'em in at midninght shows.
Catering to cult audiences is something new in Hollywood. Star Wars
merchandising was vritually non existent when the film first came out
in
1977. (The action figures were in stores for Xmas of 1978!).
Video is what made Cult films marketeable. Before video, cult films
were
the perennial favorites of repertory theatres and late night TV
programmers.
In fact, some cults emerge sometimes decades after the original film
came
out. The "cult following" for Universal horror movies made in the 30s,
for example, began when the films were packaged for TV in the 60s.
HC has all the earmarks of a "cult film": passion, obsession,
fascination, the need to introduce others to the experience and the
feeling of sharing a lot with someone else who also likes that movie.
Add
to that the feeling that most people "just don't get it" and you have a
cult movie.
(:^)]
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From: Laurin McNiff <englishpatient@home.com>
Subject: I'm back..
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 18:27:57 -0700
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Dear Creatures,
Well, I'm finally back and sunbscribed! My trip went out ok,
but I missed the list! Hopefully nothing too exciting has happened since
I left, but if so, perhaps someone could catch me up..to the posting!
Regards,
Laurin
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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>
Subject: Play with your own Borovnia!
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> (i'm still waiting for the heavenly creatures board game. or for
someone to
> turn borovnia into a rpg.)
All right everybody, I know this is silly, but I thought it was very
funny, anyway:
In the meantime, we all can have our own set of Borovnian dolls! They're
not made of plasticine, though, but the set comes complete with Charles,
Deborah, little Diello (we have to get him a sword!) and even Gina and
Nicholas... Additional products include a large castle, knights,
peasants for Diello to kill and lots more!
http://www.playmobil.de/Internat/Product/Blue/Knights/Art/3659.html
Have fun! ;P
:*
Juliana.
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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>
Subject: Re: Romance: Ever After - A Cinderella Story (fwd)
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> If her father had a title, wouldn't his property and title go
> to the oldest male heir? Could it have gone to his wife, her step-
> mother, and upon her death, to Danielle herself?
Two possibilities: it would go either to Danielle's husband, because all
women were of course expected to marry, or, if she didn't, it would go
to the convent she would have gone to. A woman would never have the
right to manage any kind of business.
Of course this has nothing to do with the story, it's just about the
common French law of the XVIth century, which was still very close to
the medieval law.
:*
Juliana.
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-------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n867 --------------
001 - Lela Kaunitz <lelak@heale - "selling out"
002 - Laurin McNiff <englishpat - Re: "selling out"
003 - KTYerves@aol.com - Kate/weight.....
004 - SHERIMER@aol.com - Re: KW: news from Australia
005 - SHERIMER@aol.com - Re: Cult films
006 - Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@ - Re: KW: news from Australia
007 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: Kate/weight.....
008 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
009 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: KW:Selling out?
010 - PURPLEAVA@aol.com - Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
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From: Lela Kaunitz <lelak@healey.com.au>
Subject: "selling out"
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:19:00 +1000
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Jeroen wrote:
>This has GOT to be a joke, right? Arnold, yeck! Now excuse me while
>i go cut miss winslet out of all my HC posters. First TITANIC, now
>this. She sold out big time.
I vaguely remember reading an interview with Kate somewhere back in
pre-Titanic days where she remarked that she was gleefully waiting to
sell out.
So, I don't know that she minds.
(Then again: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER?!)
Lela
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From: Laurin McNiff <englishpatient@home.com>
Subject: Re: "selling out"
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 20:48:50 -0700
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Selling out is merely a figure of speech. I'm sure the public would
adore Kate if she continued to work on low budget indie's, but anyone
who works for a living can tell you that overworking and being underpaid
doesn't pay the bills. So, personally speaking so long as Kate continues
to mesmerize us with her fantastic ability on the silver screen, I could
care less where and who she works with, and for how much.
Regards,
Laurin
Just my $0.02
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From: KTYerves@aol.com
Subject: Kate/weight.....
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:28:51 EDT
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Hi everyone....a quick post before I go to bed.
About the Kate/weight thing. Not only do I think Arnold asking Kate to
lose
10 lbs. is absurd but what about the age thing. He's 51 and she's
22....and
he wants her to play his wife!!?? More like his daughter!! This really
upsets me lately....all these movies where the "older man" is married
to the
much younger wife. If you live in the States you'll notice that the
latest
issue of People magazine finally brings this into light. For
example....Anne
Heche and Harrison Ford in 6 days, 7 nights, and Gwenyth Paltrow and
Michael
Douglas in The Perfect Murder. I know there is several more examples
but I
can't think at the moment. :)
Besides....Kate is perfect just the way she is. I can't wait to see
the nude
scene in Holy Smoke whether she loses any weight or not. hee hee :)
Love, Kate
PS: I got to see Ever After as well....great flick. I love Drew and I
couldn't help but freak out every time I saw Melanie. It's so weird to
see
her in something besides HC. She is so cool and I'm so glad that she
is doing
well in her career. She looks a lot different and better than she did
in HC.
I just wish she would have talked more in her regular voice but I'm
sure they
made her talk that way for the part.
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From: SHERIMER@aol.com
Subject: Re: KW: news from Australia
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:53:53 EDT
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In a message dated 8/4/98 4:00:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk writes:
<< living on
> brussel sprouts >>
I like brussel sprouts. Guess I'm just wierd.
--Steve
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From: SHERIMER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cult films
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:04:15 EDT
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In a message dated 8/4/98 12:01:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mailcall@bluemarble.net writes:
<< the definition of a cult film used to be a more obscure film -- not
made by
a major studio, or which didn't do well in the box office -- with an
obsessive, dedicated, small following. ??? >>
Not necessarily a small following. the mother of all cult films is The
Rocky
Horror Picture Show, of which I am a proud follower, and it's hardly a
small
fan club. There's other smaller cult movies like Phantom of the
Paradise and
Shock Treatment. A cult film is a film that has a following, like HC,
but not
a mainstream following. It's not your normal movie going person's cup
of tea.
that's the best I can do. For more information on cult films you may
want to
check out the book "Videohounds Guide to Cult Flics and Trash Pics."
It's a
good read and has lots of information of various cult films and "B"
movies.
--Steve
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From: Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: KW: news from Australia
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:17:37 +0800 (WST)
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On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 SHERIMER@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 8/4/98 4:00:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk writes:
>
> << living on
> > brussel sprouts >>
>
> I like brussel sprouts. Guess I'm just wierd.
>
> --Steve
>
Say, aren't you the one who likes La Boheme?
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: Kate/weight.....
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 07:06:45 GMT
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On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:28:51 EDT, KTYerves@aol.com wrote:
>10 lbs. is absurd but what about the age thing. He's 51 and she's
22....and
>he wants her to play his wife!!?? More like his daughter!! This
really
>upsets me lately....all these movies where the "older man" is married
to the
Yeah, i agree. Wasn't it roseanne barr who on the mtv awards said
something similar about the rolling stones, that they should have
girls (women actually) their own age in their videos?
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 07:06:44 GMT
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On Tue, 4 Aug 98 15:54:48 -0400, "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
wrote:
>Jeroen wrote:
>
>>She sold out big time.
>
>Of course she is!
>
>She herself said in interviews: "I can't wait to sell out!"
>
>She's not selling out! She's getting good work!
Jean, my man, i don't get it. First you defend her selling out and
now you say she isn't. What's the deal?
In my book everybody who does a movie with arnold is selling out,
period. Surely you must see that.
If she needs money why doesn't she do a few commercials? Quick cash
and she wouldn't loose any respect as an actress.
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: KW:Selling out?
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:19:21 +0100 (BST)
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> In my book everybody who does a movie with arnold is selling out,
> period. Surely you must see that.
But hasn't 'selling out' been going on as long as artistic activity?
Didn't Shakespeare 'sell out' when he wrote his Sonnets to the Earl of
Southampton for patronage? Didn't Samuel Johnson 'sell out' by writing
his 'Lives of the Poets' as prefaces to a huge edition of all the
'major'
English poets, which made him and his publisher a lot of cash? And
doesn't Harvey Keitel occasionally sell out to (ouch, remember his
bigoted
cop in Rising Sun) to finance low-budget films such as a certain
Reservoir
Dogs?
Has any actor ever made only great films? Even Orson Welles did a lot
of
stuff on the side, like those radio programmes where he played Harry
Lime.
That said, of course it'd be great to see Kate have a role with as much
for her to get into as Juliet. And when is she going to appear in a
film
which isn't a tragedy, S&S apart (which is a sort of tragicomedy, I
guess).
Phil
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From: PURPLEAVA@aol.com
Subject: Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
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In a message dated 98-08-04 16:47:10 EDT, you write:
<< The girl has had Oscar nominations (2) for half the years she's been
eligible (4).
She's not selling out! She's getting good work!
You go girl!!!
>>
Exactly!! I couldn't agree with you more! If Kate wanted to sell out,
I'm
sure she could've done it very easily after the success of Titanic.
I'm sure
she got a lot of offers for big-budget movies, but she chose to do
roles that
really meant something to her. From what Kate has said about it in
interviews, I think it will be a "cold day in hell" before she sells
out. I
mean, she's interested in playing Daphne Du Maurier in a film that the
Du
Maurier family doesn't even want made because it portrays Daphne in a
lesbian
relationship with Gertrude Lawrence. Not exactly your average
big-budget,
high-popularity movie. Kate will never sell out.
Ava :)
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-------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n868 --------------
001 - Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.c - Australia!
002 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: My so-called career.
003 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
004 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Kate/weight.....
005 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: KW:Selling out?
006 - Stephen Bull <sybull@line - Selling out / Selling merchandise
007 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: KW:Selling out?
008 - "BRANDI SMITH"<brsmith@na - I've missed something
009 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
010 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: KW:Selling out?
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From: Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.com>
Subject: Australia!
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:50:09 +0100
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Hiya creatures,
Guess I have to agree with Steve, Brussel Sprouts aren't that bad, I
also heard she's been eating/drinking carrot and coriander soup (which
is gorgeous, I had it yesterday) and I'm afraid I like La Boheme too!!
:-)
On the subject of Kate and weight, one of the main reasons I first
became a fan was because she's not the stereotypical hollywood shape
and therefore, doesn't make me feel I need to go on a diet to be a
*successful* actress, as before it seemed no matter how much talent you
have, if you don't look like a stick, you don't get the parts, Kate
proved that wasn't so, I just hope she isn't getting sucked too far
into the Hollywood 'dream factory', something she always said she
wouldn't do!! She's too good for that!! ;-)
Just passing comment there!! :-)
Make a wish for me (And Marilyn Monroe, coz she was buried 36 yrs ago
today!)
love+hugz+dreamz+wishes
Gem*
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: My so-called career.
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E. Jean Guerin wrote:
> I hope not. I'm here as a member of the HC fan club, not to oversee
the
> Hammy Orson Club.
Hey, I was just kidding there...but I really think you should give
yourself some more credit! Getting the part might have been a
coincidence, and of course PJ, Mel and Kate are talented, but you did
your work quite well!!! That's no arrogance, just the plain truth!!
Take care,
Marloes
--
I am going your way,
so let us go hand in hand
- William Morris
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
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Okay, I guess I'm the only one who doesn't understand what the fuss is
all about here.
Of course Kate has to take the big budget parts she can get now! Who
cares about selling out a few times? Interesting roles in low budget
films aren't offered every day, and they don't bring in money. Whatever
filmrole she would take, she wouldn't lose my respect for what she
already showed in HC.
Yeah Arnold is quite bad alright, and imagining that Kate has to play
his wife really make me puke! *UGH*
But then again, it's only a film, and if this part allows her to make
some money and choose a more interesting film next time, so be it!
Marloes
--
I am going your way,
so let us go hand in hand
- William Morris
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Hey all,
You know what's so strange? Reading the posts about Kate's weight made
me think about her weight for the first time. For me this means she's
perfect the way she is. I really had to find a picture to judge anyway,
and I couldn't find a single one on which she looks a little bit too
fat, or even worse too skinny. She's perfect!!!! I usually notice too
skinny people and find myself thinking of their weight all the time,
hoping that they will gain some. (Remember the Titanic-soundtrack? All I
see is Celine Dion being blown away by the wind on that fake ship...) I
hope Kate wil NEVER look like that!
Marloes (-:
--
I am going your way,
so let us go hand in hand
- William Morris
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Subject: Re: KW:Selling out?
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:58:44 GMT
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On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:19:21 +0100 (BST), Phil West
<pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>> In my book everybody who does a movie with arnold is selling out,
>> period. Surely you must see that.
>
>But hasn't 'selling out' been going on as long as artistic activity?
Yeah, so, what's your point?
I said she's selling out, which is true.
For the record, i'm not trying to p*** off all the kate fans on the
list, i still love her in HC and HAMLET and especially JUDE, it's just
that from now on i won't automatically assume her latest work to be of
the usual high quality. Sad, but true.
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: Stephen Bull <sybull@lineone.net>
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Hiya all,
I've been quite for a bit
(work !) but I have been
keeping up to date with the
list.
Selling out :
If she does an Arnie flic ,I
don't see it as Kate selling
out, I see it as Arnie being a
clever business man and using
Kate's fame to provide an a
drawing point for the film. I
mean, how many of us will go
and see it just for Kate? I
reckon that film will make a
few dollars just from this
list alone ! This film will
allow Kate to secure her
future and allow greater
freedom to do her own thing
and provide us with years of
entertainment. I consider it a
lot luckier that she escaped
winning 2 Oscars. That really
is a kiss of death (unless
your name if Kim Basinger) ! .
Doing Titanic 2 is Selling out
!
Selling Merchandise:
I would loove to have seen a
set of dolls for HC. Imagine
Kate and Mel as Barbie Doll's
! Imagine charles with his
Moving arms (with sword) and
his realistic voice "
...Bloody Fool !" and a Port
Levy set with working
Butterflies ! And not
forgetting one of the most
hideaous man alive going "
BOOOO ! " They really could
have made a bloody fortune.
Mcdonald's selling Happy Meals
in boxes shaped like bricks !
And thats not including all
the school stationary (folders
with pencil drawn horses on
them..diaries etc). On a more
serious note, it would be nice
for there to be a set of
characters (perhaps limited
edition) on the market.
Great Directors:
I must agree with Jean on the
genious of Peter and Fran. If
I was an actor and was offered
two jobs at once, One working
with Kate or One working with
Perter and Fran, I would go
for the job with Peter and
Fran everytime. That is not to
say I think any less of Kate,
It's just that I am a big
Peter Jackson fan and thats
why I watched HC. (I am still
praying for a possible Bad
Taste 2).
Stephen
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Subject: Re: KW:Selling out?
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> >But hasn't 'selling out' been going on as long as artistic activity?
>
> Yeah, so, what's your point?
That the idea of 'pure' creative artistic activity is a myth, & that
many
of the great artworks produced since what we think of as modern art
began
(let's say, the Renaissance) have involved a client-patron relationship
and been produced by jobbing artists motivated by money and position as
much as artistic integrity or intent. Dante, Petrarch, Michaelangelo,
Shakespeare, Dickens, the novels of Hardy (who wrote explicitly to make
money so he could write poetry), to name a few.
Also, isn't having to turn out the rubbish occasionally part of what
makes
the good stuff good (within reason)? You practice your art doing small
jobs and made-to-orders, so that when a discerning employer (say, the NZ
Film Foundation in its glory days 1993-4) comes along, you're bursting
with good ideas and the urge to do something less banal or commercial.
One thinks of Peter Jackson dressing up in a King Kong suit as a
teenager
(it's true, there are photos)... it was naff, but it was practice, too.
Also, one must be realistic: try to conceive of a world in which every
film was as good as HC. No one would ever stop weeping/cheering/going to
the flicks. ;-)
Cheers,
Phil
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From: "BRANDI SMITH"<brsmith@nass.usda.gov>
Subject: I've missed something
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Okay gang, I've missed something. Over the weekend my
computer
here at work got fried, so I think I might have missed a few
posts.
Okay, what is this about Kate Winslet being in an Arnold S.
film?
I haven't heard anything about this one. But him asking her
to
lose weight-I just found another reason to dislike him. (I
used
to like him until he started making those goofy movies. I
guess
that would be when he started speaking more in his films.)
And like many others, the trend of older actors with younger
actresses playing their wives pisses me off royally. First,
it's
supporting the ridiculous belief that women can't be
attractive
after the age of 39 AND it's supporting the attitude that men
have to have young, beautiful wives. Ugly wives aren't worth
the
trouble I guess, huh? They don't have any good qualities
whatsoever, right? (Yes, that is EXTREME sarcasm.)
So, I guess my response to Arnie's request for Kate to lose
weight is- you can take you bloody 10 pounds and stick it up
your
bottom!
-Brandi^^
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
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Jeroen wrote:
>Jean, my man, i don't get it. First you defend her selling out
I defended "selling out" as defined by you.
> and
>now you say she isn't. What's the deal?
Because it's not really "selling out" if you look at it. She's just
exhibiting business savvy.
Someone who sells out is someone who grabs whatever is handed to them
based on the paycheck. Just because Kate makes one film with AS doesn't
mean she's turned her back on "Jude" and HC.
>In my book everybody who does a movie with arnold is selling out,
>period. Surely you must see that.
That's your book, Jeroen.
Take away the hype around Arnie and you find a guy who has always had
plenty of respect for his directors and co-stars. That is why you don't
find Arnold directing himself and making vanity pieces no matter how
big
he gets. Arnold is a star of immense integrity. If he wants Kate, it's
because he's seen her work.
How many times do you hear actors say "I'm just lucky to get work!"?
Drew
Barrymore said just that on Letterman two nights ago. That's really
what
it boils down to.
I spent a day last week face down in dirt keeping still despite being
accidentally kicked in the head by the actors walking around me. That's
work, buddy! And I was damn happy to get it. The same goes for shaving
my
head last winter to get work on "Babel" or spending a month ringside on
"Snake Eyes". They're not exactly prestige jobs but they pay for food.
If Arnold calls, I'm there.
Heck! If Oliver Stone calls, I'm there, despite what I think of NBK.
That
doesn't make me a sellout or a whore- it makes me a professional actor.
>If she needs money why doesn't she do a few commercials? Quick cash
>and she wouldn't loose any respect as an actress.
Because commercials in the U.S. are off limits to A-list actors. They
are
the kiss of death! They can get away with commercials in Europe and
Japan
but not in the US.
(:^)]
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Phil West wrote:
>Even Orson Welles did a lot of
>stuff on the side,
His last screen credit was a voice on the Transformers Movie.
(:^)]
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001 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: I've missed something
002 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: KW:Selling out?
003 - Kip Hoelscher <akira@iast - OT:Orson
004 - "BRANDI SMITH"<brsmith@na - More 'weighty' discussion
005 - Minh Pham <phamminh@pilot - Re: Play with your own Borovnia!
006 - Lela Kaunitz <lelak@heale - the day of the happy event
007 - SHERIMER@aol.com - Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
008 - SHERIMER@aol.com - Re: KW:Selling out?
009 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Romance: Re: French property
rights (fwd)
010 - PURPLEAVA@aol.com - Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: I've missed something
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 98 13:38:21 -0400
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BRANDI SMITH wrote:
>But him asking her to
> lose weight-I just found another reason to dislike him. (I
used
> to like him until he started making those goofy movies. I
guess
> that would be when he started speaking more in his films.)
It's not as bad a request as it sounds. Just one that was blown out of
proportion. Actors are often asked to puff up or trim down depending on
the role. Even Arnie has to trim down before a movie.
Nobody raised a fuss about Sigourney Weaver in Alien Ressurection or
Linda Hamilton in T2...
I felt that Kate's weight gain for Titanic was because it fit the body
type of that era.
From what I gather , Kate is doing the Brussel sprout thing on her own
to
look good for the scene.
Heck! I have 20 pounds to lose if I'm to do a shirtless scene. I also
have 40 pounds to gain if I am to play Orson again.
(:^)]
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: KW:Selling out?
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 98 13:47:49 -0400
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Phil West wrote:
>Also, isn't having to turn out the rubbish occasionally part of what
makes
>the good stuff good (within reason)?
David Mamet wrote copy for "Oui" magazine (a Playboy clone). He wrote
captions to the pictorials.
Harlan Ellison wrote an episode of the flying nun. (And said in an
interview that he wanted a chance to date Sally Fields)
Acclaimed bestselling author Tom Tryon starred in "I Married a Monster
from Outer Space".
You cut your teeth on rubbish. You hone your art.
Was Oliver Stone selling out when he made "Wild Palms"?
Did he sell out by making NBK with Media giant TIME-WARNER?
(:^)]
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From: Kip Hoelscher <akira@iastate.edu>
Subject: OT:Orson
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:27:14 CDT
E. Jean Guerin wrote:
>His last screen credit was a voice on the Transformers Movie.
Hey, let's not be mocking Transformers: the Movie! I love that
movie. Orson(and Nimoy) was(were) awesome as Unicron. =)
My 2 cents worth,
Kip
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From: "BRANDI SMITH"<brsmith@nass.usda.gov>
Subject: More 'weighty' discussion
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 98 14:26:05 -0500
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BRANDI SMITH wrote:
>But him asking her to
> lose weight-I just found another reason to dislike him. (I
used
> to like him until he started making those goofy movies. I
guess
> that would be when he started speaking more in his films.)
It's not as bad a request as it sounds. Just one that was blown out of
proportion. Actors are often asked to puff up or trim down depending on
the role. Even Arnie has to trim down before a movie.
Nobody raised a fuss about Sigourney Weaver in Alien Ressurection or
Linda Hamilton in T2...
So, it's not as bad as it sounds, huh? I guess if that's what
actors are expected to do that's what they do. But what I'm
driving at is I wish it weren't what actors are expected to
do.
(One exception would be if you were potraying an actual
person-such as Orson Welles-because you'd want to look like
they
did or if the body type were important to the plot of the
story.)
What I hate is the fact that it's difficult for some very
good
actors to get good roles becuase they aren't the perfect
speciman
of a human being physically.
Done preachin' now,
Brandi^^
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Speaking of HC toys...
Galoob Announces Titanic Doll
by Chris Galdieri
Galoob Toys announced today that it will release a
series of dolls based on Rose DeWitt Bukater, the
character Kate Winslet played in the Academy
Award-winning film Titanic. The first doll in the series
is expected to be in stores in October.
The first doll will stand 11-1/2 inches tall and will
wear the evening gown Rose wore during her first
encounter with Jack Dawson, the character played by
Leonardo DiCaprio. The crimson silk empire dress is
fashioned after the original costume created for the film
by Academy Award-winning costume designer
Deborah Lynn Scott.
Now all we need is an Ever After toy line and we can reunite Pauline and
Juliet.
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From: Lela Kaunitz <lelak@healey.com.au>
Subject: the day of the happy event
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 11:21:35 +1000
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Help me out here, Creatures.
Having an attack of premature senility, but the Day of the Happy Event
was July 22nd, right?
Just wondering, because I was reading Robert Browning's "The Pied Piper
of Hamelin" (my interest having been piqued by seeing "The Sweet
Hereafter"
and the wonderful use made of the poem in that film) and I came across
this
verse:
But when they saw 'twas a lost endeavour
And Piper and dancers were gone forever,
They made a decree that lawyers never
Should think their records dated duly
If, after the day of the month and year,
These words did not as well appear,
"And so long after what happened here
On the Twenty-second of July,"
If I've gotten the HC date wrong, well, this is appropos of nothing.
If I've gotten it right, how about that?
Lela
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From: SHERIMER@aol.com
Subject: Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:08:59 EDT
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In a message dated 8/5/98 6:20:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dalyric@writeme.com writes:
<< Yeah Arnold is quite bad alright, and imagining that Kate has to play
his wife really make me puke! *UGH* >>
I guess I'm the only one on this list who likes Arnold. I don't care if
Kate
is going to play his wife. Jamie Lee Curtis did it in True Lies and won
a
Golden Globe award.
--Steve
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From: SHERIMER@aol.com
Subject: Re: KW:Selling out?
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:15:49 EDT
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In a message dated 8/5/98 2:10:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
orson@videotron.ca
writes:
<< David Mamet wrote copy for "Oui" magazine (a Playboy clone). He
wrote
captions to the pictorials.
Harlan Ellison wrote an episode of the flying nun. (And said in an
interview that he wanted a chance to date Sally Fields)
Acclaimed bestselling author Tom Tryon starred in "I Married a Monster
from Outer Space". >>
Just to add a little to that list -- Steven Spielberg directed the
premire
episode of Colombo, with the wonderful Peter Falk, it was his first big
job.
--Steve
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Romance: Re: French property rights (fwd)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:22:26 +1000 (EST)
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Carter's Dreams __o take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
Keeper _`\<,_ mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
. . . . (*)/ (*)
http://www.cit.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
---------- Forwarded message ----------
For those who wondered why Cinderella's step-mother apparently inherited
the estate, I have a possible explanation. This is based on Louisiana
Civil Code law, which was based on the Napoleonic Code, which built on
earlier civil law--but I don't know how early.
Anyway, under civil law, property acquired after marriage is community,
owned by both husband and wife. Property acquired before marriage is
the spouse's separate property. At least as early as 1805, the wife
retained her separate property, called paraphernal property, but the
husband was the "lord and master" and got to run everything. When the
husband dies, the wife has her half of the community property as hers.
His half of the community, and his separate property, passes to his
children, BUT until the wife dies she has USUFRUCT over the property.
Usufruct is the right to use, spend, manage, etc., the property. She
can't sell it, but anything short of that, including using it all up if
it's consumable, she can do. The children are called Naked Owners
(truly, this is in the law--I am not making this up), and they get
whatever's left when the wife/mother dies.
I know all this because I am a Louisiana lawyer. Like I said, I don't
know if the rules were similar in 15th or 16th century France, but I
wouldn't be surprised.
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Subject: Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
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In a message dated 98-08-05 13:54:44 EDT, you write:
<< They're not exactly prestige jobs but they pay for food.
If Arnold calls, I'm there.
Heck! If Oliver Stone calls, I'm there, despite what I think of NBK.
That
doesn't make me a sellout or a whore- it makes me a professional
actor. >>
Amen, Jean! I hope to make it on Broadway someday, but I know I'm
going to
have to do a lot of pavement-pounding and "not exactly prestige jobs"
before I
ever get (if I ever get) to the big time. And something I've learned
recently
is that, besides talent (cause you've got to have at least some talent)
getting acting jobs is all about guts. If you don't have the guts to
go for
it, you'll never get the job. And sometimes going for it means getting
down
and doing the dirty work before you get to the good stuff. Even if
Kate does
do a film with AS (which I hope she doesn't, just cause I don't like
him) she
won't be selling out; she'll be doing what she, as a professional
actress,
knows she has to do.
Ava :)
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001 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: the day of the happy event
002 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - KW:Mr. Showbiz on the Rose doll
003 - PURPLEAVA@aol.com - Re: the day of the happy event
004 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
005 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: KW:Selling out?
006 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: KW:Selling out?
007 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
008 - LuvleeNine@aol.com - Re: the day of the happy event
009 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: the day of the happy event
010 - Kate McFarland <winslet31 - Re: the day of the happy event
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: the day of the happy event
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:32:07 +1000 (EST)
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On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Lela Kaunitz wrote:
>
> Help me out here, Creatures.
>
> Having an attack of premature senility, but the Day of the Happy Event
> was July 22nd, right?
>
> Just wondering, because I was reading Robert Browning's "The Pied
Piper
> of Hamelin" (my interest having been piqued by seeing "The Sweet
Hereafter"
> and the wonderful use made of the poem in that film) and I came
across this
I don't know the answer to your query (I'm sure other HC ppl will know
=))
Just wanted to 'ditto' on TSH.... I liked how the little boy asked Sarah
Polley how come the pied piper didn't just do his magic to get the towns
people to pay =))
> verse:
>
> But when they saw 'twas a lost endeavour
> And Piper and dancers were gone forever,
> They made a decree that lawyers never
> Should think their records dated duly
> If, after the day of the month and year,
> These words did not as well appear,
> "And so long after what happened here
> On the Twenty-second of July,"
>
> If I've gotten the HC date wrong, well, this is appropos of nothing.
> If I've gotten it right, how about that?
>
>
> Lela
>
Carter's Dreams __o take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
Keeper _`\<,_ mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
. . . . (*)/ (*)
http://www.cit.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: KW:Mr. Showbiz on the Rose doll
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 98 23:12:37 -0400
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http://www.mrshowbiz.com/news/todays_stories/980805/winslet080598.html
Hopefully, these dolls will "sell out" : )
[I hope Kate gets a cut- it should if the doll's face is in her
likeness]
No news yet of Juliet and Pauline action-figures with brick-wielding
action.
(:^)]
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From: PURPLEAVA@aol.com
Subject: Re: the day of the happy event
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:16:14 EDT
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In a message dated 98-08-05 21:50:49 EDT, you write:
<< Having an attack of premature senility, but the Day of the Happy
Event
was July 22nd, right?
>>
I thought it was June 22nd, but now I'm questioning myself and becoming
rather
confused in the process. Ahhh!
Ava :)
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 98 23:22:05 -0400
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SHERIMER@aol.com wrote:
>I guess I'm the only one on this list who likes Arnold.
You're not the only one. Anyone who has traced back Arnold's career to
the start can only be impressed by the man. As big as he got, he still
remained a fairly cool guy.
It's real easy to "resent" people at the top and it's easier to find
fault than to look at qualities. The downside of being an actor is
often
that you will have to live with the blame for bad writing and bad
directing.
To go "Arnold? Eeeeeeeeew!" is just as mature as saying "Kate Winslet?
That tubby , snobby brit?".
It's one thing to say "It's not MY cup of tea". It's quite another to
pass a value judgement on a person or their work.
(:^)]
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: KW:Selling out?
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 98 23:30:30 -0400
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SHERIMER@aol.com wrote:
>Just to add a little to that list -- Steven Spielberg directed the
premire
>episode of Colombo, with the wonderful Peter Falk, it was his first
big job.
And to keep going in that vein, look at how many people sniff at Kate,
calling her an overnight success. Some even think that TITANIC was her
first movie!
Hey, she did "A Kid in King Arthur's Court" before that.
It's been my experience over the years that good actors don't mind
mentionning some more embarassing projects they did. The answer is
usually "It was work".
Some even take pride in them by saying "Look at how far I got from
there"
Real jerks spend millions trying to get their past dogs hidden away.
Tom Hanks still speaks of his days on "Busom Buddies" with pride while
Kevin Costner tried to buy back "Sizzle Beach USA" from the Troma
Company.
(:^)]
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: KW:Selling out?
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 07:06:20 GMT
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On Wed, 5 Aug 98 13:47:49 -0400, "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
wrote:
>Was Oliver Stone selling out when he made "Wild Palms"?
>
>Did he sell out by making NBK with Media giant TIME-WARNER?
It could have been a disney movie for all i care. He kept his word
and released the director's cut on ld (a pioneer disc not warner btw),
that's the most important thing.
And check out the 'WB' sign in the gas station scene :)
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 07:06:21 GMT
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On Wed, 5 Aug 98 13:24:54 -0400, "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
wrote:
>Arnold is a star of immense integrity.
No offense jean, but is there anyone in the movie biz you *don't*
respect?
>If Arnold calls, I'm there.
Hell i would be there too and i'm not even an actor. But that's not
my point. Kate shouldn't have to do that crap, she's already a
well-established actress.
>>If she needs money why doesn't she do a few commercials? Quick cash
>>and she wouldn't loose any respect as an actress.
>
>Because commercials in the U.S. are off limits to A-list actors. They
are
>the kiss of death! They can get away with commercials in Europe and
Japan
>but not in the US.
I didn't know that. It's a shame, really. I think it's a great way
to make money if you're a public figure like say an actor or musician
without 'selling out' your art.
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: LuvleeNine@aol.com
Subject: Re: the day of the happy event
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 04:06:53 EDT
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Day of the Happy Event was on the 22nd of June, 1954. =) Yay! I can
answer
a question!! <giggle>
By the way, I am in the current process of reading Parker & Hulme; A
Lesbian
View. I'm finding it quite interesting, yet, something seems to be
missing.
Oh, well..
*sigh* What I wouldn't do to get my hands on a copy of Pauline's
diaries. =)
I have a question for my darling creatures. If I were to go to the
public
libraries, would I be able to find the newspaper clippings that dealt
with the
trial?
BTW, I just got back from watching Ever After. Melanie was absolutely
brilliant. So charming. I hope to see more of her talents.
*LUV9*
~Nasrin~
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: the day of the happy event
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:02:17 +0100 (BST)
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> Having an attack of premature senility, but the Day of the Happy Event
> was July 22nd, right?
Nasrin's already answered this, but it's 22 June, not July. Anyhow,
Lela,
here's a nice coincidence, you've been reading Browning's "The Pied
Piper
of Hamelin" and I'm currently writing a book about the guy who collected
the original story that Browning came across in a book from his father's
study. It was a weird, huge compendium of history, myth and legend
called
The Wonders of the Little World (1678) by the little-known but
fascinating
poet and compiler Nathaniel Wanley (1634-1680). I've been chasing round
England for some time tracking down this guy's manuscripts.
Quite off-topic, but a nice coincidence. Wanley's main claim to fame is
his son Humphry, who more or less invented the study of handwriting.
Random date facts:
If it's 22 Junes you want, read Anne Perry, who's fascinated by the
date.
22 June is the shortest day of the year in the southern hemisphere; 21
June is the longest in the northern.
Picnic at Hanging Rock is set on Valentine's Day, 14 Feb, 1900.
Er, that's it!
Phil
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From: Kate McFarland <winslet311@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: the day of the happy event
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:05:39 -0700 (PDT)
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How is that book...i am buying it...i just want to know how good it is
first...*smile*
Love
Kate
---LuvleeNine@aol.com wrote:
>
> Day of the Happy Event was on the 22nd of June, 1954. =) Yay! I
can answer
> a question!! <giggle>
>
> By the way, I am in the current process of reading Parker & Hulme;
A Lesbian
> View. I'm finding it quite interesting, yet, something seems to be
missing.
> Oh, well..
> *sigh* What I wouldn't do to get my hands on a copy of Pauline's
diaries. =)
> I have a question for my darling creatures. If I were to go to the
public
> libraries, would I be able to find the newspaper clippings that
dealt with the
> trial?
> BTW, I just got back from watching Ever After. Melanie was
absolutely
> brilliant. So charming. I hope to see more of her talents.
> *LUV9*
> ~Nasrin~
>
==
Love Kate
X
**I take my Kate Winslet obsession to the extreme!**
**Like it or lump it** **Life is not a dress rehearsal**
**Hello!...Im a smoker!** **Cheer up! All the best people have bad
chest and bone diseases..... its all frightfully romantic!** ** I have
dedicated 4 years of my life to this woman and I dont intend to stop
now or ever!**
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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001 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - public libraries
002 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: public libraries
003 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
004 - "Eileene Coscolluela" <ec - Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
005 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
006 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - OT: David Duchovny
007 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - OT: the show GAME-ON
008 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - Re: OT: David Duchovny
009 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: OT: David Duchovny
010 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - OT: Snake Eyes
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: public libraries
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:20:39 +0200
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LuvleeNine@aol.com wrote:
> I have a question for my darling creatures. If I were to go to the
public
> libraries, would I be able to find the newspaper clippings that dealt
with the
> trial?
I've been thinking about doing that, just to find out if the Dutch
papers wrote anything about it back then. I did it before on other
subjects and I know if articles were ever written about it, I defenately
can find them. It's gonna have to wait until the new schoolyear starts
though...
Marloes
--
I am going your way,
so let us go hand in hand
- William Morris
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: public libraries
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:07:16 +0100 (BST)
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> I've been thinking about doing that, just to find out if the Dutch
> papers wrote anything about it back then. I did it before on other
> subjects and I know if articles were ever written about it, I
defenately
> can find them. It's gonna have to wait until the new schoolyear starts
> though...
It's possible... I looked at The Times, which (stiff upper lips!)
relegated the story to tiny little boxes in about 3 issues. I have some
other HC newspaper stuff, though; might be able to scan it and beam it
to
anyone who's interested, but I can't put 'em online, sorry.
Cheers,
Phil
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 98 10:14:06 -0400
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Jeroen wrote:
>No offense jean, but is there anyone in the movie biz you *don't*
>respect?
There are a few but I don't like to bad mouth people. Especially in
public.
No offense Jeroen but there is one director that comes to mind right
away
but I don't want to start a flame war with you. : )
I also have no respect for the convicted pedophile who directed
"Powder".
I found out after I saw the film. I was telling somebody how the film
felt like some creepy pedophile fantasy and the person I was talking to
said :"Didn't you know?" Talk about instinct.
Currently, I've lost a lot respect for David Duchovny, especially after
the dissing he gave Gillan Anderson in the London press.
(:^)]
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From: "Eileene Coscolluela" <ecoscolluela@kinderhook.com>
Subject: Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:28:35 -0400
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Jeroen wrote:
>Hell i would be there too and i'm not even an actor. But that's not
>my point. Kate shouldn't have to do that crap, she's already a
>well-established actress.
Perhaps Kate didn't "have to do that crap". Perhaps she chose to do it.
I think a variety of different types of pieces (period and modern) can
really show off an actor/ress' talent. We know that Kate pulls off the
art/period pieces wonderfully... I'd love to see her versatility as an
actress to do other things. I'd love to see her play a villaness.
>>>If she needs money why doesn't she do a few commercials? Quick cash
>>>and she wouldn't loose any respect as an actress.
>>
>>Because commercials in the U.S. are off limits to A-list actors. They
are
>>the kiss of death! They can get away with commercials in Europe and
Japan
>>but not in the US.
>
>I didn't know that. It's a shame, really. I think it's a great way
>to make money if you're a public figure like say an actor or musician
>without 'selling out' your art.
As per definition of selling out, I generally dislike commercials
with
celebs in them... in the US, unless they really help portray the image
that
you have, they can be bad for an actor (I do, however, LOVE the Jerry
Seinfeld commercials... they capitalize on his type of comedy and wit).
I
think that making commercials can be seen as "selling out your art" as
quick cash vs. starring in movies which take up more of your time and
energy. Look at Alicia Silverstone. I've seen her in interviews where
she
talks about being well-known for her appearances in the Aerosmith
videos,
but she wants more to be remembered for the films that she has done than
the few days she spend filming the videos.
Eileene =)
ecoscolluela@kinderhook.com
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: KW:Selling out? NOT!
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 98 12:13:09 -0400
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Eileene Coscolluela wrote:
>in the US, unless they really help portray the image that
>you have, they can be bad for an actor (I do, however, LOVE the Jerry
>Seinfeld commercials... they capitalize on his type of comedy and wit).
Sports figures, TV actors and comedians can increase their profile by
doing commercials in the US. Even "B-list" actors. But for the "A-list"
a
commercial is a step down. Some will chance doing a voice over but
that's
it.
Once in a while a story gets run on how Stallone, Eastwood, Paul Newman
and even Woody Allen rake up big bucks by appearing in commercials and
billboards in Japan. What makes it a story is that the mere thought of
them making commercials in the US is almost scandalous.
(:^)]
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: OT: David Duchovny
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:00:49 +1000 (EST)
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> Currently, I've lost a lot respect for David Duchovny, especially
after
> the dissing he gave Gillan Anderson in the London press.
Hi! I wondered what DD said re- GA?
DD and GA did promo for their XFiles movie for channel 7's Witness here
in
Aust, and the interviewer wasn't impressed with DD.. DD was in a mood,
not
that interested in promoting the movie, etc..
Carter's Dreams __o take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
Keeper _`\<,_ mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
. . . . (*)/ (*)
http://www.cit.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: OT: the show GAME-ON
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:09:37 +1000 (EST)
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Hi! I wondered if anyone has seen this show... it revolves (from what I
can understand of the 3ish episodes I've seen =)) around 3 housemates,
the
house is owned by the actor from The Truth About Cats And Dogs (can't
remember his name at the moment).... kinda weird and stupid, but still
interesting and I wondered what others thought of thte show, etc....
Carter's Dreams __o take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
Keeper _`\<,_ mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
. . . . (*)/ (*)
http://www.cit.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>
Subject: Re: OT: David Duchovny
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 20:41:47 -0300
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> > Currently, I've lost a lot respect for David Duchovny, especially
after
> > the dissing he gave Gillan Anderson in the London press.
>
> Hi! I wondered what DD said re- GA?
I took this from the Gillian Anderson mailing list, it's part of the
british article on DD. I thought it would be interesting to post it
here, since we're discussing the role of male/female artists in
Hollywood... This guy is really ridiculous, he should learn to act first
of all, before even taking this kind of attitude.
>>"The truth is in Hollywood you make as much money as you
>>can get. If she's making less money than
>>me she should blame her agent, or her lawyer or
>>herself. She shouldn't blame the fact that she's a woman, or
>>me," he gabbles, with more detail than is strictly necessary.
>>"Demi Moore gets paid more than me, and I work just as
>>hard as her. Is it because she's a woman, is it because she
>>has breasts? I resented the implication that I'm making
>>more money than I deserve. I thought it showed a lack of
>>class." Duchovny is suddenly warming to his subject, leaning
>>towards me, wrapping and unwrapping his long legs.
>>"The other thing that pisses me off is when women want
>>not just equality but separate but equal. Men and women are
>>two very different things. They should be treated by
>>society with the same laws, get paid the same amount for the
>>same job and all that stuff, but to say we're not different is
>>just bullshit." The silkiness is out the door now. The
>>toffee tones are becoming brittle. "Even with the show, people say
>>'Why is Scully in danger, why must Mulder save her?' It's
>>ridiculous! Somebody has to be in jeopardy and
>>someone has to save them." He articulates each word
>>peevishly.
>>"Mulder has lost every fist fight he's
>>had on the X-Files. Scully has won almost every one." This
>>is clearly a sore point. "Gillian is 5ft 2in, I'm 6ft, the
>>odds are that I'd probably win more. However, because
>>she's a woman, Scully can't lose a fist fight. You
>>become tyrannised by this notion that women must not only be
>>treated equally but they must never fail. It's crap to me and it
>>makes for bad drama."
>>But surely those precise pressures have
>>been the subject of a recent backlash in the States. "There
>>will be and there should be because it's fucking
>>ridiculous. America is being tyrannised by sexual bias suits. You
>>can't say to somebody: 'If you don't fuck me I'm going to fire
>>you'. But an employer saying one time: 'Gee that girl has nice
>>tits'. I shouldn't have to lose my business because of that. If
>>you are offended by it, you can say so.
>>"But people's lives are being ruined,
>>and I believe that the cause of feminism is actually being set
>>back." When you start addressing art as if it has to be
>>politically correct," he argues, you are making a mistake. "Art
>>can't serve an agenda. By it's nature it is disruptive,
>>anarchic, mean. The best jokes are at somebody's expense."
>>Would he like to be making those jokes? "I don't know. We
>>all want to be loved..." And he certainly is loved. "It
>>doesn't impact on me personally, it's abstract. I'm
>>acceptable and attractive enough. But I have this fantasy that
>>people find me more attractive than I really am because they
>>like what I do." The silk has returned seamlessly. "Because
>>something comes from inside me. I like to make believe
>>that," he says, unconvincingly wistful. "It's the little
>>lie I tell myself." The liquid eyes are sparkling hard. "Does it
>convince you?"
:*
Juliana.
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: OT: David Duchovny
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 98 23:19:29 -0400
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David Duchovny said:
>"Demi Moore gets paid more than me, and I work just as
>>>hard as her. Is it because she's a woman, is it because she
>>>has breasts?
How can this guy even dare to compare movie pay to TV pay?
Gillan Anderson spoke about the $ for being on the same stinkin' show.
True, she had less experience when the show started so experience
played
a part in fixing her pay level. But GA made the show tick. She has won
more awards than he did. So she should at least make the same dough for
the same show.
On top of it all, it was his Tea Leoni-induced temper tantrums that
took
the show out of Vancouver (where the locations are so varied making it
possible to give the show its cross-country look) to LA (where
everything
looks like...LA). Expect a lot of desert scenes in the next season.
Amazing how that has already made the feature look cheaper than the TV
show.
Has anyone else noticed how episodes without Scully suck, while the
episodes where she took center stage were good? (Except, of course for
that "Killer Doll" episode. But that wasn't her fault - the sory was by
Steven King)
[If you're keeping count , Jeroen, you can add SK to my list of people
I
don't respect. I met him once when I was managing a movie theatre and
he
has the distinction of remaining my single worst encounter with a
celeb.]
I strongly believe she'll have the last laugh. GA's film career will
take
off while DD's is already fizzling.
She'll be accepting an Oscar while he slips into a dress again for the
"'Twin Peaks' Reunion Holiday Special: A Dancing Dwarf's Xmas"
(:^)]
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: OT: Snake Eyes
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 98 00:43:30 -0400
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Okay, this is an exclusive just for you folks (cuz I can't diss it on
local radio tomorrow):
You've seen the slogan:
Snake Eyes!
LOOK CLOSELY
...and you still won't see me.
While the shoot was interesting to watch and I saw Brain DePalma set up
some real cool camera work ( I jokingly called the experience "DePalma
LIVE at the Forum") , the film is so tightly edited that most of that
got
cut out (possibly because it's such a contrived and predictable plot
that
it felt stretched even after trimming).
I suspect that this is a 3 hour film (DePalma likes long movies) that's
been severely cut down ("A real tight 99 min." BDP sez). The stuff they
shot was a lot more detailed than what ended up in the film. (As
evidenced by shots in the trailer that aren't in the film- one is of
Sinise dodging me in the panic as I rush to take pictures of the crime
scene).
If you still want to see it for my hideous mug, don't bother. I
deliberately stuck the camera to my face (I played a photographer) or
turned my back to the camera (looking busy). I knew my part was to
"blend
in" and I did just that. There is one shot where I the angle is such
that
my face can be seen but it's so fast or so faraway you have to know
it's
me. The rest of the time you only know it's me from the number on my
vest.
Thank God for that! This is one film where I'm thankful for the work
but
also thankful for the anonymity.
I chuckled at some of my colleagues who would deliberately lean into a
shot so they could be recognized. But then I'm glad for those whose
dream
it was to be seen on the big screen with big stars.
This is when I realize how fortunate I was when that chance first came
to
me on a little low-budget film with a pair of total unknowns.
(:^)]
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001 - dalyric@writeme.com - Re: public libraries
002 - Leanne McMahon <leanne.mc - Re: Game On
003 - Christy Price <christy@ty - EVER AFTER
004 - FLiekefett@t-online.de (F - "Fun" on german tv-channel
005 - Christy Price <christy@ty - RE: sexual prefrence
006 - Christy Price <christy@ty - Catching up
007 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: OT: David Duchovny
008 - Laurin McNiff <englishpat - Re: sexual prefrence
009 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: Romance: Ever After (fwd)
010 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: OT: David Duchovny
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From: dalyric@writeme.com
Subject: Re: public libraries
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:26:03 +0100
>It's possible... I looked at The Times, which (stiff upper
lips!)
>relegated the story to tiny little boxes in about 3 issues. I
have some
>other HC newspaper stuff, though; might be able to scan it and
beam it to
>anyone who's interested, but I can't put 'em online, sorry.
>
>Cheers,
>Phil
Beam them to me!! Thanx!!
I wonder what the Dutch papers did...maybe 2 even more tiny
boxes in two issues... )-: We'll see! (-:
Marloes
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From: Leanne McMahon <leanne.mcmahon@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Game On
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 18:21:25 -0700
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>>>Hi! I wondered if anyone has seen this show... it revolves (from
what I
can understand of the 3ish episodes I've seen =)) around 3 housemates,
the
house is owned by the actor from The Truth About Cats And Dogs (can't
remember his name at the moment).... kinda weird and stupid, but still
interesting and I wondered what others thought of thte show, etc....<<<
I absolutley LOVE Game On!!! My only criticism is that after the first
series they had to change the actor who plays Matt because Ben Chaplin
was off doing movies but aside from that I think it's fantastic. There
has been three series to date so you've got plenty to look forward to.
-Leanne
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From: Christy Price <christy@tyler.net>
Subject: EVER AFTER
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:33:20 -0700
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I have just seen Ever After, I saw it day before yesterday.....loved
it!!!!!!!! Excellent, well worth the wait, I loved Melanie in it!! I
didn't realize the movie was gonna be so comedic. I also loved Drew in
it as well, can't wait to see it again!!!!!!!!--Christy
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From: FLiekefett@t-online.de (Frank Liekefett)
Subject: "Fun" on german tv-channel
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:24:33 +0200
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Hi fellow creatures,
sorry, this is possibly only interesting for the few german members on
this
list.
A little programme note for all who are able to receive SAT.1. Hope you
donīt
mind if I go on in german...
Am 28. August laeuft (lt. TV Spielfilm) auf Sat.1 um 01:15 Uhr der Film
"Fun"
(der, von der Thematik mit HC vergleichbare Film, von dem hier in der
Mailing
Liste vor einiger Zeit die Rede war).
Frank
--
'I suppose this is your idea of a joke!'
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From: Christy Price <christy@tyler.net>
Subject: RE: sexual prefrence
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:52:08 -0700
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From: Ald14hc@aol.com[SMTP:Ald14hc@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 9:35 PM
To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com
Subject: sexual prefrence
Angie 23 female... i have never had an actual experience with a =
woman, but
I have though about it... I'm not closed minded about the situation... =
it just
hasn't happened, yet. I feel like Im in group therepy, LOL
In a message dated 98-07-16 22:18:34 EDT, you write:
<< A while back we collected statistics about people on this mailing =
list,
but there was one kind of important one that was missing...people's
sexual orientation or identity. >>
I've been offline again...ergh!! You all know my bad luck with the =
internet but I'm back....WHOA!!! I have missed alot of stuff, hope I
can =
catch up! I guess I missed the one about people's sexual orientation
or =
identity hehehe...
I don't know if anyone's answering or what but I figured hey I might as
=
well, I need to get caught up with all the emails anyhow. As for how I
=
feel its hard to say, I date men, but I don't look at people as "men"
or =
"women" I look at them as souls...kinda bizarre but there you go. I =
have had crushes on women, but I've never dated one or anything. I do =
not immediately turn up my nose at the thought of a lesbian couple or a
=
gay couple like alot of people I know.
Anyway, that's my two cents *S*--Christy
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From: Christy Price <christy@tyler.net>
Subject: Catching up
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:06:04 -0700
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Wow, I have been offline for only two or so weeks and when I get back
online I find I have 800 emails (wowee!) needless to say I am
hopelessly behind on everything! I don't know what the current
conversation (s) is about. I am assuming it is about Ever After, most
of the emails. Love the movie, love it! I loved Mel in it and am
sooooooooo glad that she is finally given a part that is more worthy of
her talents instead of a more or less walk on part like she had on
Frighteners. I intend to write her a fan letter (assuming I can find
the page that had her address on it) to tell her what a terrific job
she did on Ever After. Yes, Ever After's ending was what some would
call "sappy" but it's a faerytale and aren't faerytales supposed to
have happy endings? I try not to listen to film critics. ..if I did I
would never go see a movie!
I see that there are lots of emails about Bound. I've seen that movie
in the movie video rental store and thought about renting it just to
see what everyone is talking about.
--Christy
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: OT: David Duchovny
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 21:51:42 +0200
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<199808070014.RAA26113@lists1.best.com>
Nahhh....is this really true? It can't be... He surely isn't an angel,
but if he really said this Gillian would never want to work with him
again...and now don't start talking shit like "she's a professional
actress...blahblah".
He did say that when the X-files stopped the last persons he ever wanted
to see would be Chris Carter and Gillian. That wasn't too nice. But he
also said that although he thought he should get paid more, Gillian is
the one that's REALLY underpaid.
Marloes
Juliana Bastos wrote:
>>"The truth is in Hollywood you make as much money as you
>>can get. If she's making less money than
>>me she should blame her agent, or her lawyer or
>>herself. She shouldn't blame the fact that she's a woman, or
>>me," he gabbles, with more detail than is strictly necessary.
>>"Demi Moore gets paid more than me, and I work just as
>>hard as her. Is it because she's a woman, is it because she
>>has breasts? I resented the implication that I'm making
>>more money than I deserve. I thought it showed a lack of
>>class." Duchovny is suddenly warming to his subject, leaning
>>towards me, wrapping and unwrapping his long legs.
>>"The other thing that pisses me off is when women want
>>not just equality but separate but equal. Men and women are
>>two very different things. They should be treated by
>>society with the same laws, get paid the same amount for the
>>same job and all that stuff, but to say we're not different is
>>just bullshit." The silkiness is out the door now. The
>>toffee tones are becoming brittle. "Even with the show, people say
>>'Why is Scully in danger, why must Mulder save her?' It's
>>ridiculous! Somebody has to be in jeopardy and
>>someone has to save them." He articulates each word
>>peevishly.
>>"Mulder has lost every fist fight he's
>>had on the X-Files. Scully has won almost every one." This
>>is clearly a sore point. "Gillian is 5ft 2in, I'm 6ft, the
>>odds are that I'd probably win more. However, because
>>she's a woman, Scully can't lose a fist fight. You
>>become tyrannised by this notion that women must not only be
>>treated equally but they must never fail. It's crap to me and it
>>makes for bad drama."
>>But surely those precise pressures have
>>been the subject of a recent backlash in the States. "There
>>will be and there should be because it's fucking
>>ridiculous. America is being tyrannised by sexual bias suits. You
>>can't say to somebody: 'If you don't fuck me I'm going to fire
>>you'. But an employer saying one time: 'Gee that girl has nice
>>tits'. I shouldn't have to lose my business because of that. If
>>you are offended by it, you can say so.
>>"But people's lives are being ruined,
>>and I believe that the cause of feminism is actually being set
>>back." When you start addressing art as if it has to be
>>politically correct," he argues, you are making a mistake. "Art
>>can't serve an agenda. By it's nature it is disruptive,
>>anarchic, mean. The best jokes are at somebody's expense."
>>Would he like to be making those jokes? "I don't know. We
>>all want to be loved..." And he certainly is loved. "It
>>doesn't impact on me personally, it's abstract. I'm
>>acceptable and attractive enough. But I have this fantasy that
>>people find me more attractive than I really am because they
>>like what I do." The silk has returned seamlessly. "Because
>>something comes from inside me. I like to make believe
>>that," he says, unconvincingly wistful. "It's the little
>>lie I tell myself." The liquid eyes are sparkling hard. "Does it
>convince you?"
>:*
>Juliana.
--
I am going your way,
so let us go hand in hand
- William Morris
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From: Laurin McNiff <englishpatient@home.com>
Subject: Re: sexual prefrence
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 21:04:12 -0700
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Are topics really that scarce that we're now talking about women to
women fantasies? I think I need a breather.
Regards,
Laurin
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Romance: Ever After (fwd)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:28:00 +1000 (EST)
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Carter's Dreams __o take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
Keeper _`\<,_ mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
. . . . (*)/ (*)
http://www.cit.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
---------- Forwarded message ----------
I enjoyed it. And boy was the stepmother sorry later that she had
said
that. Had she shown ANY affection??? (But then if she had, there would
have
went the story).
All 3 of my girls went (10-14). They all enjoyed it (much to my
shock.)
I probably enjoyed it even more than they did! :)
-----Original Message-----
>I posted about this movie on RNF, I went to see a sneak preview of it
and
>highly recommended it for everyone to see. Did anyone get a tear or
two
>when the stepmother (Angelica Houston) told Danielle (Drew B) that how
could
>she love a pebble in your shoe, when Danielle asked if she ever loved
her
as
>a daughter? Or when the prince finally professed his love?
>
>I took my girls to see it, they loved it but they giggled almost the
whole
>way through it....talking about the princes 'weiner holder'.....it was
>sooooo funny listening to them!
>
>I'm still trying to get my boyfriend to go with me to see it again, he
>professes it's too much of a chick flick but I missed holding his hand
when
>I was watching it :(((((.....I think I may get my way tho :)))
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: OT: David Duchovny
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:36:00 +1000 (EST)
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> Has anyone else noticed how episodes without Scully suck, while the
> episodes where she took center stage were good? (Except, of course
for
> that "Killer Doll" episode. But that wasn't her fault - the sory was
by
> Steven King)
what was the KILLER DOLL episode storyline about? i like THE X'FILES but
jsut dont' watch it that often *VBG***
Carter's Dreams __o take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
Keeper _`\<,_ mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
. . . . (*)/ (*)
http://www.cit.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
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001 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: "Fun" on german tv-channel
002 - Ald14hc@aol.com - Re: the day of the happy event
003 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: sexual prefrence
004 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: "Fun" on german tv-channel
005 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: "Fun" on german tv-channel
006 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: OT: David Duchovny
007 - IrishEMT12@aol.com - Re: sexual prefrence
008 - Christy Price <christy@ty - RE: sexual prefrence
009 - "Michael Jaski" <honestjo - Unsubscribe/Subscribe
010 - Christy Price <christy@ty - Heavenly Creatures FanFiction
Website
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: "Fun" on german tv-channel
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 05:10:55 GMT
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On Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:24:33 +0200, FLiekefett@t-online.de (Frank
Liekefett) wrote:
>A little programme note for all who are able to receive SAT.1. Hope
you donīt
>mind if I go on in german...
>Am 28. August laeuft (lt. TV Spielfilm) auf Sat.1 um 01:15 Uhr der
Film "Fun"
>(der, von der Thematik mit HC vergleichbare Film, von dem hier in der
Mailing
>Liste vor einiger Zeit die Rede war).
Thanks for the tip, finally i get to watch it again. I only saw FUN
once and that was in my pre-HC days. It's a very interesting film,
although the part before the murder is a little too short and it drags
on a bit towards the ending.
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: Ald14hc@aol.com
Subject: Re: the day of the happy event
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:55:19 EDT
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let me know about that, if you try. i was thinking the same thing...
Angie
(ald14hc@aol.com
rouste@aol.com)
In a message dated 98-08-06 05:43:45 EDT, you write:
<< I have a question for my darling creatures. If I were to go to the
public
libraries, would I be able to find the newspaper clippings that dealt
with
the
trial? >>
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: sexual prefrence
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 10:56:49 +0200
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Laurin McNiff wrote:
>
> Are topics really that scarce that we're now talking about women to
> women fantasies? I think I need a breather.
Fantasies? I didn't see one single fantasy come by...but since you
started about it...let's see...hmmm... Nahhh *just kidding* (-:
Marloes
--
I am going your way,
so let us go hand in hand
- William Morris
--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n873.4 ---------------
From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: "Fun" on german tv-channel
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 11:05:28 +0200
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Frank Liekefett wrote:
> (der, von der Thematik mit HC vergleichbare Film, von dem hier in der
Mailing
> Liste vor einiger Zeit die Rede war).
To stay in your own words: 'I suppose this is your idea of a joke!'
hehe...
Jeroen, Are you able to get Sat.1? Since you're nearby the German
border... There is absolutely no way I can get that channel...I already
checked.
Marloes
--
I am going your way,
so let us go hand in hand
- William Morris
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: "Fun" on german tv-channel
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:15:34 GMT
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On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 11:05:28 +0200, lyric <dalyric@writeme.com> wrote:
>Jeroen, Are you able to get Sat.1? Since you're nearby the German
>border... There is absolutely no way I can get that channel...I already
>checked.
Not via cable, but we have an older ASTRA satelite dish system that
picks up all the german stations, including VOX from which i taped the
HC NZ cut a while ago.
Unfortunately 99% of these movies are dubbed german.
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: OT: David Duchovny
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 98 11:08:21 -0400
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Aileen Dayao wrote:
>what was the KILLER DOLL episode storyline about?
It was a cliche ridden (SK's forte) episode about a killer doll in
Maine.
It felt more like a bad attempt at a "Twilight Zone" episode (TZ still
rules as one of the best fantasy shows ever written for TV).
(:^)]
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From: IrishEMT12@aol.com
Subject: Re: sexual prefrence
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:58:54 EDT
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In a message dated 98-08-07 20:33:25 EDT, you write:
<< Are topics really that scarce that we're now talking about women to
women fantasies? I think I need a breather.
Regards,
Laurin >>
This topic was brought up a while ago where most of this list
devulged their
sexual identity. The person who just reaponded had not read all of that
interesting mail until just now, and was replying to it. I am not sure
if you
recall all of that mail, or perhaps you deleted it, but it is not that
topics
are scarce, it is that she is behind in her mail.
Jennifer EMT-B
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From: Christy Price <christy@tyler.net>
Subject: RE: sexual prefrence
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:22:41 -0700
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Subject: Re: sexual prefrence
In a message dated 98-08-07 20:33:25 EDT, you write:
<< Are topics really that scarce that we're now talking about women to
women fantasies? I think I need a breather.
Regards,
Laurin >>
This topic was brought up a while ago where most of this list
devulged their
sexual identity. The person who just reaponded had not read all of that
interesting mail until just now, and was replying to it. I am not sure
if you
recall all of that mail, or perhaps you deleted it, but it is not that
topics
are scarce, it is that she is behind in her mail.
Jennifer EMT-B
Thanks Jennifer, yes, I have been offline for weeks now and was only
trying to get caught up.
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From: "Michael Jaski" <honestjon0@mailexcite.com>
Subject: Unsubscribe/Subscribe
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 11:31:50 -0700
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Can anyone please tell me how to unsubscribe and subscribe? I want to
change the email account that this list goes to and naturally, I failed
to save the instructions. Thanks!
Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere!
http://www.mailexcite.com
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From: Christy Price <christy@tyler.net>
Subject: Heavenly Creatures FanFiction Website
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 13:51:47 -0700
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For those of you who might be interested: I have at long last laid the
foundation for the Heavenly Creatures FanFiction page. Anyone
interested in seeing the progress so far may do so:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Bungalow/7546/index.html
First though, I should probably explain about it. The background color
I have chosen is black. To some this might seem dreary, I think it
looks dramatic, but I would love to hear your opinions. Right now the
only graphics I have up are animated butterflies (butterflies=giant
butterflies in movie...I think butterflies somehow symbolise (did i
spell that right?) Borovnia and all)..
Also please take it into consideration that I only have a year's
experience with html *S*
Not only do I want to have fan fiction, but I also thought it would be
cool to have poetry and artwork. I also have a section where you can
send in your opinions and stuff about the movie/stars/whatever. I also
intend to have a place where I will list (for those of you who want to
take part in it) all of the Heavenly Creatures fans, with your webpage
and email (if you like) and all of that. I am still coming up with
ideas and am open for suggestion.
When you look at my page remember, it's only a Foundation. Also, the
links don't go anywhere right now. --Christy
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001 - Christy Price <christy@ty - YIKES spoke too soon
002 - FLiekefett@t-online.de (F - Re: "Fun" on german tv-channel
003 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Unsubscribe/Subscribe
004 - Donald Chin <donaldc@nets - NZFC pictures from HeavenlyWeb...
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From: Christy Price <christy@tyler.net>
Subject: YIKES spoke too soon
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:05:49 -0700
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well, this is embarrasing folks! After sending off the email to the
list about the fan fiction page I got to thinking that perhaps frames
would not work so well with the page, so I will be working on it, you
can still come and watch the progress though. Since sending off the
last email I have found some piccys that I will be putting up! Sorry
folks--Christy
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From: FLiekefett@t-online.de (Frank)
Subject: Re: "Fun" on german tv-channel
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 19:26:50 +0200
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Jeroen schrieb:
>
> On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 11:05:28 +0200, lyric <dalyric@writeme.com> wrote:
>
> >Jeroen, Are you able to get Sat.1? Since you're nearby the German
> >border... There is absolutely no way I can get that channel...I
already
> >checked.
>
> Not via cable, but we have an older ASTRA satelite dish system that
> picks up all the german stations, including VOX from which i taped the
> HC NZ cut a while ago.
>
> Unfortunately 99% of these movies are dubbed german.
On the "cultur-channel" 'Arte' you often have the support of two
language
channels (1st german, 2nd french or english)
Unfortunately this station (SAT.1) broadcasts only in german language
(wether
subtitles nor two language channels) :(
Frank
--
'I suppose this is your idea of a joke!' (Mrs Stevens to Juliet)
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe/Subscribe
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 13:00:56 +0200
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Michael Jaski wrote:
>
> Can anyone please tell me how to unsubscribe and subscribe? I want
to change the email account that this list goes to and naturally, I
failed to save the instructions. Thanks!
I've been trying to look this up, but unfortunately the page where I
subscribed is not available at the time. It could be my computer messing
up, so if anyone could please check and post it once, I'd be grateful!
(-:
Marloes
--
I am going your way,
so let us go hand in hand
- William Morris
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From: Donald Chin <donaldc@netspace.net.au>
Subject: NZFC pictures from HeavenlyWeb...
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:42:27 +1000
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hello everyone,
i was wondering if anyone can send me all the pictures from the New
Zealand Film Commission page of Heavenly Web. the links on that page
are all broken.
cheers,
donald
--
Donald Chin <mailto:donaldc@netspace.net.au>
"Lost somewhere in Australia...and fanatical about indiepop music,
Heavenly Creatures, Kate Winslet!" <- a dedicated Apple user ->
<" target=_blankhttp://www.netspace.net.au/~donaldc>
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-------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n875 --------------
001 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - OT: Re: Game On
002 - FLiekefett@t-online.de (F - Re: Unsubscribe/Subscribe
003 - "BRANDI SMITH"<brsmith@na - Re[2]: sexual prefrence
004 - "BRANDI SMITH"<brsmith@na - The Third Man
005 - Christy Price <christy@ty - OT: Fanfiction/A Thank You
006 - Stephen Bull <sybull@line - Grave Issue
007 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: sexual prefrence
008 - Shania610@aol.com - Re: Why do we love HC
009 - Laurin McNiff <englishpat - Re: sexual prefrence
010 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - Re: Grave Issue
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: OT: Re: Game On
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:08:23 +1000 (EST)
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On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Leanne McMahon wrote:
> >>>Hi! I wondered if anyone has seen this show... it revolves (from
what I
> can understand of the 3ish episodes I've seen =)) around 3
housemates,
> the
> house is owned by the actor from The Truth About Cats And Dogs (can't
> remember his name at the moment).... kinda weird and stupid, but still
> interesting and I wondered what others thought of thte show,
etc....<<<
>
> I absolutley LOVE Game On!!! My only criticism is that after the
first
> series they had to change the actor who plays Matt because Ben
Chaplin
> was off doing movies but aside from that I think it's fantastic.
There
> has been three series to date so you've got plenty to look forward to.
>
> -Leanne
so... how did this show 'begin'?
is Matt unable to leave the flat?
Carter's Dreams __o take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
Keeper _`\<,_ mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
. . . . (*)/ (*)
http://www.cit.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
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From: FLiekefett@t-online.de (Frank)
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe/Subscribe
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 20:43:18 +0200
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lyric schrieb:
>
> Michael Jaski wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone please tell me how to unsubscribe and subscribe? I want
to change the email account that this list goes to and naturally, I
failed to save the instructions. Thanks!
>
> I've been trying to look this up, but unfortunately the page where I
> subscribed is not available at the time. It could be my computer
messing
> up, so if anyone could please check and post it once, I'd be grateful!
> (-:
You can get the help file if you send a "prepared" mail to
heavenly-c-request@lists.best.com
Preparation:
the body of the message should contain a single line, left justified,
containing
the keyword 'help' in lower case.
(to unsubscribe just write in the word 'unsubscribe' instead of 'help')
Frank
--
'... although we may not be alone in the universe, in our own separate
ways, on this planet, we are all...alone.'
(3x20: Jose Chung's 'From Outer Space')
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From: "BRANDI SMITH"<brsmith@nass.usda.gov>
Subject: Re[2]: sexual prefrence
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 98 07:28:41 -0500
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Thanks Laurin, I was wondering if I was the only one who was
thinking along this line. It's almost as bad as the 'worst
list'
that was started than quickly abandoned.
-Brandi^^
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Subject: Re: sexual prefrence
Author: <heavenly-c@lists.best.com> at INTERNET
Date: 8/7/98 9:04 PM
Are topics really that scarce that we're now talking about women to
women fantasies? I think I need a breather.
Regards,
Laurin
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From: "BRANDI SMITH"<brsmith@nass.usda.gov>
Subject: The Third Man
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 98 08:31:45 -0500
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This Thursday and Friday BRAVO will be airing the Orson
Welles
film "The Third Man." For anyone new to the list or those who
haven't yet scrutinized HC for every little detail, this is
the
Orson Welles film that Pauline and Juliet see, prompting
their
Orson fantasy.
-Brandi^^
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From: Christy Price <christy@tyler.net>
Subject: OT: Fanfiction/A Thank You
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:19:50 -0700
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Dear Creatures,
I just wanted to write a quick thank you for those that have
contributed to my little fanfiction page, or offered suggestions,
contributed ideas. Thanks to all who have so far expressed interest.
Its off to a slow start, but I am positive that once it gets going it
will be very entertaining for everyone.
Concerning the stories part, I know that it might be hard to come up
with ideas, but anything Borovnia-inspired would be welcomed as well,
it doesn't have to be strictly about Diello, Deborah, Charles etc.
I was wondering if someone could Please email me (to my regular addy)
to kinda get me caught up on what's going on with the list, the latest
conversation etc. I've been offline for weeks and when I got back on I
had over 800 emails. I have been going thru all the emails, but it's a
little time consuming and what with the new fanfiction page, as well as
my other two webpages and all *S*.
Oh how wonderful! Boys On The Side is coming on NBC tonight. Boys On
The Side=Drew Barrymore=Ever After=Melanie Lynsky=Heavenly Creatures
Gotta run--Christy
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From: Stephen Bull <sybull@lineone.net>
Subject: Grave Issue
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:57:11 +0100
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Hiya all,
Just a quickie, Not having read the FAQ in great detail, can anyone tell
me were Honora Parker is buried. I was just wondering if her grave
attracts any sort of "Attention" or has it's location been kept a
secret?
Stephen
P.S I like the page Christy, I will be thinking of ways to contribute
in some way to it.
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: sexual prefrence
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:15:52 +0200
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BRANDI SMITH wrote:
> It's almost as bad as the 'worst list'
> that was started than quickly abandoned.
Geezzz...still sulking over that one? Again: I thought it was just fun
to see different opinions, the idea was defenately not to irritate other
people.
Marloes
--
I am going your way,
so let us go hand in hand
- William Morris
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From: Shania610@aol.com
Subject: Re: Why do we love HC
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:52:54 EDT
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Well, A friend told me about a movie called Bound. First, I have been
away for
a week, so i have SOOOOOOOO much email that I can barely think
straight, plus
I dont feel good, so forgive me if I confuse things. Anyhow, I THINK
Bound was
mentioned on here. (gina gershon, jennifer tilly and joe pantoliano,).
I was
SOOOOOOO impressed/awed by the bond that Gina and Jennifer had, (my own
personal plug, if you havent seen it, rent it!! =) ) that I asked my
friend if
there were any other movies I should see. She said HC. I watched it and
was
not all that impressed the first time. After the first time though, I
was
hooked. I love the bond they share and see how easy it is for them to
get out
of control. I too would like a relationship like juliet and paul had
and wish
it could have ended differently. Thats why i am here! =)
Karen
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From: Laurin McNiff <englishpatient@home.com>
Subject: Re: sexual prefrence
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:48:54 -0700
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It's really not about "different opinions". What it is about is courtesy
and not mentioning private matters. While this is an open list, some
things that are private topics will tend to annoy people. There are some
things you just shouldn't "openly" talk about, in my opinion.
Regards,
Laurin
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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>
Subject: Re: Grave Issue
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:01:58 -0300
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> Just a quickie, Not having read the FAQ in great detail, can anyone
tell
> me were Honora Parker is buried. I was just wondering if her grave
> attracts any sort of "Attention" or has it's location been kept a
> secret?
Hmm, I think the body was cremated. I remember this because that was
something that caught my ateention when I read some portions of the FAQ,
like "well, so I won't visit Honora's grave when I go to
Christchurch"...
:*
Juliana.
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