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001 - dream lover <yourdreamluv - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n953

002 - Mad4Claire@aol.com - Re: Kate Winslet Rose doll

003 - recurring <recurring@yaho - Re: A list archive?

004 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen) - Re: Obsession

005 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen) - Re: i want to know

006 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: Obsession

007 - hanna bervoets <hanna-b@d - Re: HC poster

008 - Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit - Jules et Jim - Jude related.

009 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: i want to know

010 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n953

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From: dream lover <yourdreamluver@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n953

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:28:03 -0700 (PDT)

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> I was not aware this was a Kate Winslet mailing list...but maybe I

am wrong,

> -J

ohhhh..lets not get nasty here..sorry if the topic of converstaion is

not up to par..I always felt that Kate gave a great deal to this

film..and talking about her was keeping the movie alive.

_________________________________________________________

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From: Mad4Claire@aol.com

Subject: Re: Kate Winslet Rose doll

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:42:42 EDT

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In a message dated 98-10-13 12:18:18 EDT, you write:

<< http://www.primenet.com/~btn/aft.html >>

i looKed here....and i can't find the blasted doll!!!!!!

~~^^SARAH^^~~

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From: recurring <recurring@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: A list archive?

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:50:57 -0700 (PDT)

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Hi,

I have all the digests from about 730 and we are up to 950 right now.

Some are up on the net at:

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc1.html

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc2.html

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc3.html

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc4.html

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc5.html

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc6.html

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc7.html

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc8.html

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc9.html

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc9a.html

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc9b.html

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc9c.html

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc9d.html

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc9e.html

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc9f.html

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc9g.html

They take a little while to load up I've been told.

I think I've only uploaded up to about Digest 855. Not sure how far

back it was, if you can give me a date or whatever if it was recent

I'll be happy to find it and repost.. :o)

Jane

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: A list archive?

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:49:14 +0100

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Christy Price wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is an archive (or some such thing) for this

list? > Someone was wanting to re-read my story but I had already

deleted it :-(

I remember someone talking about saving all the digests...but I don't

remeber exactly who? Wait a sec...was it Jane? I think it was...

Marloes (-:

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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen)

Subject: Re: Obsession

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:49:19 GMT

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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:01:51 +0100, "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

wrote:

>I'd like to know how the moider scene affected you all

To be honest it doesn't bother me that much. It's a nasty scene, but

compared to the real-life event where they hit her like what 60 times

it's pretty tame.

Which brings up a question: did peter and fran have any particular

reason for reducing this violence?

Also after watching honora ruining her daughter's life for the biggest

part of the film i'm just not that fond of her, and i tend to

sympathize with p&j.

The thing about HC that affected me the most when i saw it for the

first time was the 'it was a condition of their release that they

never meet again' at the end of the film. Oh yeah and the scene in

the tearoom of course.

Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94

All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.

It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures

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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen)

Subject: Re: i want to know

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:49:20 GMT

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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:14:18 -0700, Queen Jenny

<platinum_whore@geocities.com> wrote:

>miniature kate speech version: she annoys the living hell out of me.

her acting (even

>some parts of HC) seems so unnatural and melodramatic like she was

nervous or something.

I'm wondering, which parts?

I have a problem with a few kate scenes in HC, like the scene on the

phone where she goes 'they can't, they can't', it sounds like an

american faking a british accent. Bloody awful. And the scene in the

NZ and UK cut, where p&j are hiding in the bushes at the ilam garden

party... it's a very clumsy scene, the acting of kate and even melanie

is way below par there.

That said, i think her acting in JUDE is sheer brilliance.

And i'll check out EXOTICA, thanks.

Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94

All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.

It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures

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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>

Subject: Re: Obsession

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:41:29 +0100 (BST)

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> Which brings up a question: did peter and fran have any particular

> reason for reducing this violence?

Taste and tact might come in to it at some level, I suppose; but isn't

mostly because in a film that works by surprise, shock and unexpected

delight, a five-minute scene of naturalistic brain-bashing, complete

with

Nora's false teeth coming out and all the other details, would be

numbing,

not shocking, and numbness is not the feeling HC wants to produce; the

screenplay invents too much time in evoking teenage wild swings of

emotion, lows and highs, terror and despair, to suddenly ditch it all

for

the kind of numb, brutalizing irony of, say, Euripides' Electra (a play

bearing great comparison with HC, not least because it's also

matricidal)

> Also after watching honora ruining her daughter's life for the biggest

> part of the film i'm just not that fond of her, and i tend to

> sympathize with p&j.

I find that at this point I can't sympathize with them, almost for the

first time in the film (which isn't to say that other characters aren't

portrayed sympathetically); that, for me, is the wrench that HC does

better than any other film

> The thing about HC that affected me the most when i saw it for the

> first time was the 'it was a condition of their release that they

> never meet again' at the end of the film.

Me too; it's amazing what one line of text can do... what other single

line or epilogue has such effect?

Cheers,

Phil

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From: hanna bervoets <hanna-b@dds.nl>

Subject: Re: HC poster

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:57:04 +0200

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At 16:09 13-10-98 -0400, you wrote:

THANKS!

www.pixposters.com has the German and US versions last time I checked

but

>their inventory changes. If I remember the US one was $20 plus

shipping,

>and I thik the German one was $15.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>"We have decided how sad it is for other people that they cannot

>appreciate our genious."-Pauline Parker

>"Love is tender and knows no gender"-unknown

>"I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!"-unknown

> http://members.xoom.com/juliethulme/

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, hanna bervoets wrote:

>> Does anyone know where I can order a HC poster on the internet?

>> I want one to hang above my bed ;)

>> Hanna

>> -hanna-b@dds.nl-

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From: Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk>

Subject: Jules et Jim - Jude related.

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:24:15 +0200

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Hi Creatures,

I'm just delurking here for a while. I went to see Truffaut's "Jules et

Jim" the other day. Before I went I remembered how Michael Winterbottom

had

made Kate and Christopher Eccleston watch this particular film to give

them

inspiration.

First of all, I really enjoyed the movie and could really see how

Winterbottom and the two actors had drawn inspiration from this film.

The

first scenes that sprang to mind was the "steam engine" girl, that of

course reminds one of Sue showing off in the bar right after she's

befriended her cousin.

Second of all the bike riding scenes.

Third of all, running and playing at the beach.

I'm sure you guys can think of many more similarities.

Cheers,

*Passer borovnia*

Who's looking forward to 14 days of French film.....

=====================================================

"No voice divine the storm allayed

no light propicious shone

when snatched from all affectual aid

we perished each alone

but I beneath a rougher sea

and whelmed in deeper gulfs than he"

- William Cowper

tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk/bridehead@hotmail.com

=====================================================

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: i want to know

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:39:31 +0000

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jeroen wrote:

> I have a problem with a few kate scenes in HC, like the scene on the

> phone where she goes 'they can't, they can't', it sounds like an

> american faking a british accent.

I think that part is so good...I don't hear an accent, just pain, and

hurt...

Marloes

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n953

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:42:00 -0400

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dream lover wrote:

>> I was not aware this was a Kate Winslet mailing list...but maybe I

>am wrong,

>> -J

>ohhhh..lets not get nasty here..sorry if the topic of converstaion is

>not up to par..I always felt that Kate gave a great deal to this

>film..and talking about her was keeping the movie alive.

Yes, please. Let's not start this again!

Sometimes we go off on a Kate Tangent, sometimes on a Mel tangent, we

also go on Peter Jackson strings, other times we go on about Anne Perry

and so on and so forth.

This list is meant to keep abreast of what's happening in the careers

people involved with HC.

When I was a kid, Star Wars newsletters would mention "Pinball Summer"

(with Mark Hammill) and "Force 10 from Navarone" (with Harrison Ford).

"American Graffitti" had a very successful re-release in the late 70s

because of its cast (Ron Howard of "Happy Days", Cindy Williams of

"Laverne and Shirley", Suzanne Summers of "Three's Company", Richard

Dreyfuss of "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" and Harisson Ford).

These "unknowns" at the time of the original release were now "names",

including the director, George Lucas.

The future successes of Kate, Mel and "The Lord of the Rings" ensure

that

HC will not fade away. In fact, it should make HC into a bona-fide

"Cult

movie", one that gets more popular as time goes by.

The majority of listers now have come across HC on Video or TV. A lot

them discovered HC because of Kate.

So, please, let's not start these darn "flame wars" over exclusivity

again.

(:^)]

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001 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Obsession

002 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Violence

003 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Accents

004 - RUbabes@aol.com - Some $.02 on the Moider Scene

005 - Jason Schnebly <schnebly@ - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n955

006 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - Re: Obsession

007 - Queen Jenny <platinum_who - Re: what was that?!

008 - Queen Jenny <platinum_who - a bunch of stuff...

009 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - something

010 - "M. Charles Frappier" <mc - Re: something

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Re: Obsession

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:49:15 -0400

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jeroen wrote:

>Which brings up a question: did peter and fran have any particular

>reason for reducing this violence?

Peter was going for the emotional and psychological sides of it. He had

just completed "The Goriest Film in History" which was a comedy

(BRAINDEAD, known in the US as DEAD/ALIVE). In his own words, he wanted

to do something "Relatively bloodless but genuinely creepy".

(:^)]

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Violence

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:58:09 -0400

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Phil West wrote:

>I suppose; but isn't it

>mostly because in a film that works by surprise, shock and unexpected

>delight, a five-minute scene of naturalistic brain-bashing, complete

with

>Nora's false teeth coming out and all the other details, would be

numbing,

>not shocking, and numbness is not the feeling HC wants to produce;

It's like Alfred Hitchcock who directed the murder scene in "Psycho" so

that the blade never graphically pierces the skin.

Peter found that being too graphic somehow produces humour rather than

fright.

The scene does an amazing job of communicating the frenzied confusion

the girls minds. They themselves were not aware that they hit her so

many

times.

It certainly is more effective then a "blow by blow" acoount would have

been.

BTW, the "moider" is a tad longer in the NZ cut. Most of the blows cut

out are delivered by Kate. One wonders if Miramax wanted to reduce Anne

Perry's role to avoid a lawsuit.

(:^)]

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Accents

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:07:50 -0400

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Jeroen wrote:

>'they can't, they can't', it sounds like an

>> american faking a british accent.

Accents are relative.

The odd thing about accents is that they often feel "put on" to people

who are unfamiliar with them. But Kate really talks with that accent.

Mel's accent seemed like she was putting that on as well at first but I

eventually have to face the fact that I was the one with the weird

"American accent". In Montreal, however, I am known as someone without

trace of any accent, French Canadian, American or British. This is

helping me get TV gigs.

(:^)]

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From: RUbabes@aol.com

Subject: Some $.02 on the Moider Scene

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:59:26 EDT

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In a message dated 98-10-14 11:11:29 EDT, Jeroen and Phil write:

> Which brings up a question: did peter and fran have any particular

> reason for reducing this violence?

Taste and tact might come in to it at some level, I suppose; but isn't

mostly because in a film that works by surprise, shock and unexpected

delight, a five-minute scene of naturalistic brain-bashing, complete

with

Nora's false teeth coming out and all the other details, would be

numbing,

not shocking, and numbness is not the feeling HC wants to produce....

I cannot agree more. We are witness to quite enough as the scene

stands....and

considering there are minor deviations from other actual events (or the

full

re-enactment of actual events) in the course of the film, I shouldn't

think

that PJ & FW would need to produce the murder scene the exact way it

happened.

They have placed their angle and mood and narrative on that element of

PP &

JH's story just like any other element in the film. I think the scene is

stunning and does just what it should.

> Also after watching honora ruining her daughter's life for the

biggest

> part of the film i'm just not that fond of her, and i tend to

> sympathize with p&j.

I find that at this point I can't sympathize with them, almost for the

first time in the film (which isn't to say that other characters aren't

portrayed sympathetically); that, for me, is the wrench that HC does

better than any other film >>

I have to say that I tend to revert to an ultimate 'feeling sorry for

them'

kind of feeling. It's a slow build up...and when the brick hits my

absolute

saddness for the state these two people have brought themselves to

reaches a

high point. I feel sympathetic for them...but, not b/c the 'finally got

rid of

her'. I like Honora and have spent many a viewing of the film really

trying to

pick apart her role. She is a mother who obviously wants the best for

her

daughter and genuinely cares about her-unlike Hilda Hulme, IMHO. Where

sympathy comes in is in the areas that Juliet and Paul felt that had no

options left and reverted to thinking that killing Honora would solve

their

problems...I feel bad that they didn't think about consequence and

everything

about the murder that would ultimately tear them apart, instead of

bring them

together. That they had lost the perspective of the situation is

horrible...they were so driven, madly, for their cause that logical

thinking

about post-crime situations flew out the window.

Those are the elements that stay with me greatly regarding the whole

murder

scene and the surrounding climax pieces of the film.

Just my two cents....

What is a little interesting irony thing thrown in there, though....is

that

although they were ordered to 'never meet again', and were jailed

seperately,

etc etc...they will forever be together in the memory of that crime,

this

film, etc. They will always be a duo, forever a pair in everyone's

mind. They

got what they wished for....just in a totally different

method...hmmmmm...:)

-Jesse :)

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From: Jason Schnebly <schnebly@brookings.net>

Subject: Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n955

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:35:59 -0500

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does anyone know how I can drop this mailing list? (no offense)

schnebly@brookings.net

heavenly-c-errors@lists.best.com wrote:

> -------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n955 --------------

> 001 - dream lover <yourdreamluv - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n953

> 002 - Mad4Claire@aol.com - Re: Kate Winslet Rose doll

> 003 - recurring <recurring@yaho - Re: A list archive?

> 004 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen) - Re: Obsession

> 005 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen) - Re: i want to know

> 006 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: Obsession

> 007 - hanna bervoets <hanna-b@d - Re: HC poster

> 008 - Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit - Jules et Jim - Jude related.

> 009 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: i want to know

> 010 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n953

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> From: dream lover <yourdreamluver@yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n953

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:28:03 -0700 (PDT)

> MIME-Version: 1.0

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> >

> > I was not aware this was a Kate Winslet mailing list...but maybe I

> am wrong,

> >

> > -J

> ohhhh..lets not get nasty here..sorry if the topic of converstaion is

> not up to par..I always felt that Kate gave a great deal to this

> film..and talking about her was keeping the movie alive.

> A

> _________________________________________________________

> DO YOU YAHOO!?

> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n955.2 ---------------

> From: Mad4Claire@aol.com

> Subject: Re: Kate Winslet Rose doll

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:42:42 EDT

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> In a message dated 98-10-13 12:18:18 EDT, you write:

> << http://www.primenet.com/~btn/aft.html >>

> i looKed here....and i can't find the blasted doll!!!!!!

> ~~^^SARAH^^~~

> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n955.3 ---------------

> From: recurring <recurring@yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: A list archive?

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:50:57 -0700 (PDT)

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> Hi,

> I have all the digests from about 730 and we are up to 950 right now.

> Some are up on the net at:

> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc1.html

> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc2.html

> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc3.html

> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc4.html

> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc5.html

> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc6.html

> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc7.html

> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc8.html

> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc9.html

> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc9a.html

> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc9b.html

> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc9c.html

> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc9d.html

> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc9e.html

> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc9f.html

> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/8655/hc9g.html

> They take a little while to load up I've been told.

> I think I've only uploaded up to about Digest 855. Not sure how far

> back it was, if you can give me a date or whatever if it was recent

> I'll be happy to find it and repost.. :o)

> Jane

> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n950.10 ---------------

> From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

> Subject: Re: A list archive?

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:49:14 +0100

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> Christy Price wrote:

> >

> > Does anyone know if there is an archive (or some such thing) for

this

> list? > Someone was wanting to re-read my story but I had already

> deleted it :-(

> I remember someone talking about saving all the digests...but I don't

> remeber exactly who? Wait a sec...was it Jane? I think it was...

> Marloes (-:

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> _________________________________________________________

> DO YOU YAHOO!?

> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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> From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen)

> Subject: Re: Obsession

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:49:19 GMT

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> On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:01:51 +0100, "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

> wrote:

> >I'd like to know how the moider scene affected you all

> To be honest it doesn't bother me that much. It's a nasty scene, but

> compared to the real-life event where they hit her like what 60 times

> it's pretty tame.

> Which brings up a question: did peter and fran have any particular

> reason for reducing this violence?

> Also after watching honora ruining her daughter's life for the biggest

> part of the film i'm just not that fond of her, and i tend to

> sympathize with p&j.

> The thing about HC that affected me the most when i saw it for the

> first time was the 'it was a condition of their release that they

> never meet again' at the end of the film. Oh yeah and the scene in

> the tearoom of course.

> --

> Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94

> All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.

> It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures

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> From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen)

> Subject: Re: i want to know

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:49:20 GMT

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> On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:14:18 -0700, Queen Jenny

> <platinum_whore@geocities.com> wrote:

> >miniature kate speech version: she annoys the living hell out of me.

her acting (even

> >some parts of HC) seems so unnatural and melodramatic like she was

nervous or something.

> I'm wondering, which parts?

> I have a problem with a few kate scenes in HC, like the scene on the

> phone where she goes 'they can't, they can't', it sounds like an

> american faking a british accent. Bloody awful. And the scene in the

> NZ and UK cut, where p&j are hiding in the bushes at the ilam garden

> party... it's a very clumsy scene, the acting of kate and even melanie

> is way below par there.

> That said, i think her acting in JUDE is sheer brilliance.

> And i'll check out EXOTICA, thanks.

> --

> Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94

> All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.

> It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures

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> From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>

> Subject: Re: Obsession

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:41:29 +0100 (BST)

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> > Which brings up a question: did peter and fran have any particular

> > reason for reducing this violence?

> Taste and tact might come in to it at some level, I suppose; but

isn't it

> mostly because in a film that works by surprise, shock and unexpected

> delight, a five-minute scene of naturalistic brain-bashing, complete

with

> Nora's false teeth coming out and all the other details, would be

numbing,

> not shocking, and numbness is not the feeling HC wants to produce; the

> screenplay invents too much time in evoking teenage wild swings of

> emotion, lows and highs, terror and despair, to suddenly ditch it all

for

> the kind of numb, brutalizing irony of, say, Euripides' Electra (a

play

> bearing great comparison with HC, not least because it's also

matricidal)

> > Also after watching honora ruining her daughter's life for the

biggest

> > part of the film i'm just not that fond of her, and i tend to

> > sympathize with p&j.

> I find that at this point I can't sympathize with them, almost for the

> first time in the film (which isn't to say that other characters

aren't

> portrayed sympathetically); that, for me, is the wrench that HC does

> better than any other film

> > The thing about HC that affected me the most when i saw it for the

> > first time was the 'it was a condition of their release that they

> > never meet again' at the end of the film.

> Me too; it's amazing what one line of text can do... what other single

> line or epilogue has such effect?

> Cheers,

> Phil

> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n955.7 ---------------

> From: hanna bervoets <hanna-b@dds.nl>

> Subject: Re: HC poster

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:57:04 +0200

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> At 16:09 13-10-98 -0400, you wrote:

> THANKS!

> www.pixposters.com has the German and US versions last time I checked

but

> >their inventory changes. If I remember the US one was $20 plus

shipping,

> >and I thik the German one was $15.

> >

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >"We have decided how sad it is for other people that they cannot

> >appreciate our genious."-Pauline Parker

> >

> >"Love is tender and knows no gender"-unknown

> >

> >"I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!"-unknown

> >

> > http://members.xoom.com/juliethulme/

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> >On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, hanna bervoets wrote:

> >

> >> Does anyone know where I can order a HC poster on the internet?

> >> I want one to hang above my bed ;)

> >>

> >> Hanna

> >>

> >> -hanna-b@dds.nl-

> >>

> >

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> From: Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk>

> Subject: Jules et Jim - Jude related.

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:24:15 +0200

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> Hi Creatures,

> I'm just delurking here for a while. I went to see Truffaut's "Jules

> Jim" the other day. Before I went I remembered how Michael

Winterbottom had

> made Kate and Christopher Eccleston watch this particular film to

give them

> inspiration.

> First of all, I really enjoyed the movie and could really see how

> Winterbottom and the two actors had drawn inspiration from this film.

The

> first scenes that sprang to mind was the "steam engine" girl, that of

> course reminds one of Sue showing off in the bar right after she's

> befriended her cousin.

> Second of all the bike riding scenes.

> Third of all, running and playing at the beach.

> I'm sure you guys can think of many more similarities.

> Cheers,

> *Passer borovnia*

> Who's looking forward to 14 days of French film.....

> =====================================================

> "No voice divine the storm allayed

> no light propicious shone

> when snatched from all affectual aid

> we perished each alone

> but I beneath a rougher sea

> and whelmed in deeper gulfs than he"

> - William Cowper

> tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk/bridehead@hotmail.com

> =====================================================

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> From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

> Subject: Re: i want to know

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:39:31 +0000

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> jeroen wrote:

> > I have a problem with a few kate scenes in HC, like the scene on the

> > phone where she goes 'they can't, they can't', it sounds like an

> > american faking a british accent.

> I think that part is so good...I don't hear an accent, just pain, and

> hurt...

> Marloes

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> From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

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> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:42:00 -0400

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> dream lover wrote:

> >> I was not aware this was a Kate Winslet mailing list...but maybe I

> >am wrong,

> >>

> >> -J

> >

> >ohhhh..lets not get nasty here..sorry if the topic of converstaion is

> >not up to par..I always felt that Kate gave a great deal to this

> >film..and talking about her was keeping the movie alive.

> Yes, please. Let's not start this again!

> Sometimes we go off on a Kate Tangent, sometimes on a Mel tangent, we

> also go on Peter Jackson strings, other times we go on about Anne

Perry

> and so on and so forth.

> This list is meant to keep abreast of what's happening in the careers

> people involved with HC.

> When I was a kid, Star Wars newsletters would mention "Pinball Summer"

> (with Mark Hammill) and "Force 10 from Navarone" (with Harrison Ford).

> "American Graffitti" had a very successful re-release in the late 70s

> because of its cast (Ron Howard of "Happy Days", Cindy Williams of

> "Laverne and Shirley", Suzanne Summers of "Three's Company", Richard

> Dreyfuss of "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" and Harisson Ford).

> These "unknowns" at the time of the original release were now "names",

> including the director, George Lucas.

> The future successes of Kate, Mel and "The Lord of the Rings" ensure

that

> HC will not fade away. In fact, it should make HC into a bona-fide

"Cult

> movie", one that gets more popular as time goes by.

> The majority of listers now have come across HC on Video or TV. A lot

> them discovered HC because of Kate.

> So, please, let's not start these darn "flame wars" over exclusivity

> again.

> (:^)]

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does anyone know how I can get off this mailing list????

schnebly@brookings.net

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From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

Subject: Re: Obsession

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:01:16 +0100

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>> Anyway, what I'm trying to get to, is, I'd like to know how the

moider

scene

>> affected you all - I don't know if this has been discussed before,

but

I'm

>> interested.

I'm bored, I'm answering my own question. I'm answering it at some

length.

I think what struck me the most was that wonderful piece of music, I

think

it's The Humming Chorus or something like that. The first time I saw the

movie, I was, for some reason, expecting Honora to be killed in a

house. I

have no idea why I thought that, I had no background information except

that

she would be killed. So ever since that second where she's leaning over

check the food in her oven, I was tense. It seemed as though they had

been

walking down that path forever... The second time I saw it, the instant

the

music started up again, I felt the same anxiety - I think it was a very

well-made sequence, and KW's Lady Macbethesque performance was

fantastic.

I've never been really squeamish and the actual moider didn't bother me

much. I watch a lot of films and I try to watch them objectively, and I

think what bothered me more was when I got really interested in the

real-life events and a sense of reality started to set in.

Seeing Pauline's mugshot was what scared me the most, because it

detached

the real events from the film, but I still felt a certain sense of

*knowing*

her. [I think I'm rambling] Also, discovering that Henry Hulme lectured

Liverpool University was kinda weird, b/c my dad worked there for some

time

a couple of years ago.

I'm definitely rambling now.

Also, while I have your attention [or not, as the case may be], does

anyone

have a problem with me and my long sig? B/C I've been on mailing lists

before and I've found it's bothered people having the same sig posted

several times a day and wasting valuable downloading time.

Right. Now I've talked myself into a stupor, I'm going to bed.

'Night,

Alisha

xoxox

ps- this is typical. rnaui.dll has crashed so y'all will be getting

this in

the morning. Oh well. Time differences etc. ::yawn::

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From: Queen Jenny <platinum_whore@geocities.com>

Subject: Re: what was that?!

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:50:42 -0700

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> >>>worshipful 15 year olds maybe..but I suppose she's a better

role-model than

> Drew Barrymore. oh well, 15 year olds in general bother me.>>>

> (sorry thi is to the list buti lost the senders e-mail addy!)

> alright... first of all, i do love kate.. but i totally respect your

opinions

> of her acting and all.. and thats cool that you just see her as a

cool person

> and stuff... but um ok.. until last week I WAS 15!!!!! (it was just

> birthday) um.. excuse me?!?!?! i see absolutely nothing wrong with

being 15

> years old... bothering factors should be judged by a persons maturity

and not

> by a general age group.... noone that mets me believes im actually

15...I was

> invited(and went) to the Tony awards last year by a guy who thought

my friend

> and I were 22...hell, even Kate didnt think I was 15 last february!..

yet some

> 15 year olds give the impression that they are 12 by swooning over

leeeoooo..

> and all that crap... so listen, Id really like to know now what makes

me such

> a bother to you considering what age I am...

Okay, here's why I put in that one...until about 3 months ago, I used

to visit personal home pages, not the "hi, i'm katie, here are some

links and a picture of my cat" type, but the poetry writing journal

my-page-is-more-depressed-than yours sect. Everyone was about 15 and

would give long talks about how they wished they were more like Kate

and plaster her picture everywhere. It made me want to beat them with a

stick.

Don't get me wrogn..I was 15 but 2 years ago...and I was the same was

with Fairuza Balk...but now i've turned into a bit of a cynic about the

whole bit..

sorry. nothing personal.

-J

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From: Queen Jenny <platinum_whore@geocities.com>

Subject: a bunch of stuff...

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:03:28 -0700

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no flame war. don't worry..i take it all fine, but when someone asks me

why i'm on the list if

i don't like Kate, i sort of get the message i shouldn't be there at

all. i don't mind talking

about her. I'd really like it if she took a more natural, less severely

emotive role. I think

she could fit that nicely. I like talking about what's up with ol' kate

and maybe i'll take in

the next flick and see what it's all about.

no grudges.

second...

the part in HC that really turned me around the other way was when Paul

fakes her death on the

bicycle...when kate said "DON'T!" like she was attending some sort of

tea party. and the crying

that followed...maybe that was inteded to be humorous...well, i know it

was, but if you really

thought that your best friend had been send careening over a hill to

her death, the crying

would be a bit more realistic. A lot of Kate's crying seems forced.

how did the moider effect me?

well..maybe you'd find me disturbed..the first time i was

having..um..difficulties with mother,

and i still am..so it all had an eerily pleasing quality to it..but it

all jumped back to the

ship and Paul so fast that i couldn't even think about it before I was

thrown into another

emotion.

things are odd that way.

-J

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From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

Subject: something

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:32:12 +0100

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Okay, you guys are the experts...

http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/proof.gif

any similarity here?

Alisha

xoxox

alisha1121@hotmail.com

kleinjan@btinternet.com

http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/frontx.htm

"Don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos;

movies make psychos more creative."

- Billy Loomis, 'Scream'

"I really like gratuitous nudity. I hate when people go

'I'll only do it if it makes sense for the movie.' It

never makes sense. So I like it - the more gratuitous

the better."

- David Duchovny. Amen.

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From: "M. Charles Frappier" <mc@oil.ca>

Subject: Re: something

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:02:30 -0400

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Ha ah!

You tried to mix us up by mixing up the captions, didn't you? You sly

fox

you.... :)

I always thought they looked quite similar. This only serves to further

reinfoce my position.

Cheers,

Charles

-----Original Message-----

From: Alisha <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com <heavenly-c@lists.best.com>

Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 1:09 PM

Subject: something

>Okay, you guys are the experts...

>http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/proof.gif

>any similarity here?

>Alisha

>xoxox

>alisha1121@hotmail.com

>kleinjan@btinternet.com

>http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/frontx.htm

>"Don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos;

>movies make psychos more creative."

> - Billy Loomis, 'Scream'

>"I really like gratuitous nudity. I hate when people go

>'I'll only do it if it makes sense for the movie.' It

>never makes sense. So I like it - the more gratuitous

>the better."

> - David Duchovny. Amen.

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001 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo - Re: i want to know

002 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen) - Re: i want to know

003 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n953

004 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Obsession

005 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: a bunch of stuff...

006 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: what was that?!

007 - Adit <adit@main.aquanet.c - obsessed teenagers?

008 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - Re: something

009 - Rosedwson4@aol.com - Kates acting-- was Re:i want to

know...

010 - Rosedwson4@aol.com - Kate and the spiceys?!?!?! LOL!!!

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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo" <jabad@softtek.com>

Subject: Re: i want to know

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:11:36 -0500

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~lyric~ wrote:

> jeroen wrote:

> > I have a problem with a few kate scenes in HC, like the scene on the

> > phone where she goes 'they can't, they can't', it sounds like an

> > american faking a british accent.

> I think that part is so good...I don't hear an accent, just pain, and

> hurt...

> Marloes

I agree with Marloes in this one. For me, it was one of the most

powerfull pain scenes. I break into tears everytime I see it.

Jose Antonio

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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen)

Subject: Re: i want to know

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:07:48 GMT

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On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:39:31 +0000, ~lyric~

<heavenlycreature@innocent.com> wrote:

>jeroen wrote:

>> I have a problem with a few kate scenes in HC, like the scene on the

>> phone where she goes 'they can't, they can't', it sounds like an

>> american faking a british accent.

>I think that part is so good...I don't hear an accent, just pain, and

>hurt...

I hear that too, but mostly on mel's end of the phone line.

Like with any film, after a certain number of viewings the emotional

impact wears off, and you will start noticing little things like this.

It sucks, but that's life.

Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94

All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.

It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures

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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo" <jabad@softtek.com>

Subject: Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n953

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Oh no! This is not a KW mailing list, this is a HC mailing list!

Besides, you must understand that many of the loyal HC fans discovered

HC because of Kate (me included) and, talking for my self I can say

that I am a

HC fan and a KW & ML fan, so I like everything to do with them.

I asked because you said some things that I found contradictory to a HC

fan, but you have your point, so, lets live with the queen stocked to

us :)

Jose Antonio

Queen Jenny wrote:

> > Valid and respectful opinion in deed. Freedom in mind!

> > My question is: ¿Why are you subscribed to this list?

> I was not aware this was a Kate Winslet mailing list...but maybe I am

wrong, i've been away so damned long I wouldn't know. I love HC. I

adore Melanie Lynskey. I've always had a weak spot for a fine film and

HC is

> that and more, even though it's been forever and a day since I've

broken out that video tape.

> and besides..i've been on this thing for almost 3 years, can't bring

myself to leave. You're all stuck with me.

> -J

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Re: Obsession

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:39:47 -0400

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Alisha wrote:

>I think what struck me the most was that wonderful piece of music, I

think

>it's The Humming Chorus or something like that.

One of the most memorable moments in my life, for some reason, is

getting

a lift back from the set to the hotel in Christchurch. I was riding in

the back seat of Peter's car. Peter was driving.Fran was riding in the

front passenger seat. I was tired after a long wonderful day

culminating

with screening the rushes of the "moider scene". Fran put "The Humming

Chorus" (from Madama Butterfly" on the car stereo. She then turned to

and said "We were thinking of using this music for the walk in the

woods

before the murder".

Having just seen the footage, I smiled. I really felt like I was

getting

a priviledged look at the making of a masterpiece that night.

A year and a bit later, when I saw the film and heard the chorus, tears

welled up in my eyes. It was just as beautiful as I imagined.

(:^)]

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Re: a bunch of stuff...

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Queen Jenny wrote:

>.maybe that was inteded to be humorous...well, i know it was, but if

you

>really

>thought that your best friend had been send careening over a hill to

her

>death, the crying

>would be a bit more realistic. A lot of Kate's crying seems forced.

The two girls were playacting in a melodramatic way inspired by the

films

they saw and the litterature they read. It is deliberately forced.

Why do you think Juliet cries in the tub when Pauline reveals her

plans?

She is horrified to find out that Pauline didn't get that they were

playing.

The game had gone too far.

(:^)]

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Re: what was that?!

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:06:43 -0400

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Queen Jenny wrote:

>I was the same was with Fairuza Balk...but now i've turned into a bit

of a

>cynic about the whole bit

By your own admission, this is just a phase in developpment. So don't

deny that phase to others.

This is another phase of being a teen: spitting on behavior that's

younger than ours. I know this because I spent my teen years rejecting

lot of things from my childhood. The surprising thing is that later in

life you begin embracing those things again and all you can think of is

how immature and naive you were to think that rejecting your childhood

would make you mature faster. Doing that just makes you into a jaded

teen

with no sense of wonder.

(:^)]

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From: Adit <adit@main.aquanet.co.il>

Subject: obsessed teenagers?

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:03:26 +0200

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I want to respond to all the things that Jen wrote about obsessed people

from ages 14-16 and its really NOT what's going on with me and

practically everyone I know. My fourteenth birthday was only about two

weeks ago, and about a month ago I completely stopped with obsessions of

any kind. Since I was 11 I started being obsessed with things

(especially bands at the time) but my biggest obsession was since last

December with the best movie ever- that's according to me is Titanic

(Ok, I know its not the place to say that...) and after it I was only a

little obsessed with HC but I suddenly lost all interest in obsessions-

and I don't think I'll ever be obsessed again, and the same thing pretty

much happened to all my friends that were obsessed. So what I want to

say to you Jen is that I really don't think its a teenagers thing- you

definitely can't blame what you did on that!

-Adit

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From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

Subject: Re: something

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:14:32 +0100

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>Ha ah!

>You tried to mix us up by mixing up the captions, didn't you? You sly

fox

>you.... :)

<ggg> Too many sappy teen magazines, I'm afraid.

>I always thought they looked quite similar. This only serves to

further

>reinfoce my position.

I think they look totally different except for that split second

there...

but I've discussed this with a couple of my friends and opinion has been

divided on exactly how similar they are. Personally, I think it was

just the

hair and the sickness that made them look alike here, but that's just

one

opinion. A friend of a friend said they could be sisters.

Alisha

xoxox

alisha1121@hotmail.com

kleinjan@btinternet.com

http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/frontx.htm

"Don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos;

movies make psychos more creative."

- Billy Loomis, 'Scream'

"I really like gratuitous nudity. I hate when people go

'I'll only do it if it makes sense for the movie.' It

never makes sense. So I like it - the more gratuitous

the better."

- David Duchovny. Amen.

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From: Rosedwson4@aol.com

Subject: Kates acting-- was Re:i want to know...

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:21:50 EDT

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>>And this doesn't even mean that Kate's acting is

stage-oriented, I don't really know this kind of detail about her

background.<<

sorry if this was said already.. i get this in digest!!!

actually.. Kates acting background really is stage oriented as ya put

it.. so

that was a very good observation :-).. she went to a theatre schoool

for high

school (or whatever its called in england.. secondary school or

something like

that...) though she did say she thought drama school was just "a bunch

blah-de blah-de bullshit!" LOL... also.. before she did any movies she

did a

lot of stage roles ("Adrian Mole, What the Butler Saw"... a few others

school...) so anyways.. just filling that in :-) later all!

love yas!

~Rachel :-)!!!~

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From: Rosedwson4@aol.com

Subject: Kate and the spiceys?!?!?! LOL!!!

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:31:44 EDT

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Jean wrote:

>>Nosiree, as someone who's seen both in the flesh, I can honestly say

Nivea's

survey reflects my preferences. <<

hahahahah :-) OOH OOH MINE TOO MINE TOO!!!!! lol... look at that...

everyone

may now flame me for sending just an "I agree" post to the list!!! but

it had

to be said! heh, sorry.. well Ill say more so its not just one line

then--btw.. funny thing.. as you all probably know i absolutely love ya

know.,

meeting actors/bands whatever and all and if i see someone somewhere

ill

always go over and say hi and stuff(Kates the best though! HAVE I

MENTIONED I

JUST LOVE HER! lol.. just had to add that).. but, no offense to spice

girls

fans or anything.. but when i was in a hotel lobby with them last june

(and

heh, it was still 5 of them)... my friend and i just kinda stood,

looked at

them.. and walked the other way! LOL... and sporty as best body?!?!

nothing

too thrilling for me to see...though they were dressed like normal...

hmm

hehehehehe...geez that was off topic!,

love yas!

~Rachel~

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003 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: what was that?!

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:36:38 EDT

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In a message dated 98-10-14 11:11:29 EDT, you write:

> And the scene in the

> NZ and UK cut, where p&j are hiding in the bushes at the ilam garden

> party... it's a very clumsy scene, the acting of kate and even

melanie

> is way below par there.

theyre supposed to be drunk in that scene i believe!!!! dont you think

you

come across as weird when youre drunk?!

just for thoughts.. :)

~Rachel ;-)!!!~

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Re: i want to know

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:44:53 -0400

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jeroen wrote:

>Like with any film, after a certain number of viewings the emotional

>impact wears off

I agree. This is why I limit the number of times I watch any film. I

watch HC on average once a year now (I saw it 4 times on a big screen

a week at the Toronto film fest and four times in theatres on its first

run).

Besides, I learned a long time ago that repeated viewings can take away

from the opportunity of discovering something new.

(:^)]

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: what was that?!

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:20:41 +0200

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Queen Jenny wrote:

> Okay, here's why I put in that one...until about 3 months ago, I used

> visit personal home pages, not the "hi, i'm katie, here are some

links and a

> picture of my cat" type, but the poetry writing journal

> my-page-is-more-depressed-than yours sect.

Didn't we all go through that fase?? I won't bore you with mine, but it

ended not too long ago, not the day that I turned 16. Who cares about

age anyway...

Marloes

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: Obsession

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Alisha wrote:

> Also, while I have your attention [or not, as the case may be], does

anyone

> have a problem with me and my long sig? B/C I've been on mailing lists

> before and I've found it's bothered people having the same sig posted

> several times a day and wasting valuable downloading time.

Doesn't bother me at all, I have one myself all the time...need to

change it more often though!! That one before this was getting on my own

nerves!

But if it bothers people, please say so...thanx

Marloes

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: a piece of Mel news!!!

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:49:42 +0200

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My fellow Creatures....

I just received this message from Mark Kines:

~~~~

Well, I do have a piece of Mel news for you. I just talked to her agent,

trying to find out where she is, and apparently in just 10 days Mel

herself

is coming to L.A. to live here for a month. Then in December she's off

do another film. It's called "But I'm a Cheerleader!" I have a feeling

it's

an American film - I doubt any other country has cheerleaders. I have no

idea how big the film is. I think it might be an independent film,

because

the agent I talked to said it wasn't her deal, and that agent is in

charge

of getting Mel the big Hollywood stuff (like "Ever After"). But who

knows?

I suppose I will find out more when Mel arrives. In any event, it's

certainly good news. I doubt she plays a cheerleader though. Stupid

American casting system.

-Mark

~~~~

Weeeeeellll, this is all folks...nite!

Marloes

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: i want to know

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:02:55 +0200

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jeroen wrote:

> Like with any film, after a certain number of viewings the emotional

> impact wears off, and you will start noticing little things like this.

> It sucks, but that's life.

So after how many times did that happen? Cause I'll make sure to stop

watching HC before that time and remember strong the emotions forever.

(and I KNOW I can never keep this promise...*s*)

Marloes

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: More $.02 on the Moider Scene

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:29:04 +0200

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RUbabes@aol.com wrote:

> I think the scene is stunning and does just what it should.

It defenately does. Besides that, I think the story is about the growing

friendship between the friends up to the murder. According to me it's

not a film about violence, although there are some 'violent' aspects in

it.

And also: this is a true story. We can all read and imagine what really

happened, and what it must have looked like. It's horrible enough as it

is. I wouldn't want to see it in this beautiful film. That's just my

opinion of course...

> What is a little interesting irony thing thrown in there,

though....is that

> although they were ordered to 'never meet again', and were jailed

seperately,

> etc etc...they will forever be together in the memory of that crime,

this

> film, etc. They will always be a duo, forever a pair in everyone's

mind. They

> got what they wished for....just in a totally different

method...hmmmmm...:)

You're right, every single article about Anne Perry mentions the event

and Pauline. We will always see them as a pair. What I don't understand

is that they stated they don't feel the need to see eachother again (at

least Anne Perry said that, didn't she?)

Right after I'd seen HC for the first time I couldn't believe that they

had really never met again after they were separated. I just didn't

think that was true. And that's also what most people who saw it

(whether they liked it or not) said to me. They were sure that Pauline

and Juliet were still seeing eachother, or had at least met eachother a

few times...

Anyone alse on this thought the same thing?

bye,

Marloes

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo" <jabad@softtek.com>

Subject: Re: i want to know

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:36:04 -0500

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E. Jean Guerin wrote:

> jeroen wrote:

> >Like with any film, after a certain number of viewings the emotional

> >impact wears off

> I agree. This is why I limit the number of times I watch any film. I

> watch HC on average once a year now (I saw it 4 times on a big screen

> a week at the Toronto film fest and four times in theatres on its

first

> run).

> Besides, I learned a long time ago that repeated viewings can take

away

> from the opportunity of discovering something new.

> (:^)]

I like to call "magical Elixir" to all that stuff that somehow touches

deep

on me. It can be a song, or a smell or a movie, it can be anything that

stimulates my senses. HC touched me. I've seen it about 20 times, but

Jean, now I try to keep it for some other moments, but here is a tip,

never

leave one of this elixirs stored for a long time, because, like

parfumes, it

will loose it's magical power. The last time I saw HC was 2 months

ago. I

just bought the special edition of Titanic and I haven't seen it yet.

I'm

saving it for another special moment.

Yhanks for reading

jose Antonio

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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo" <jabad@softtek.com>

Subject: Re: what was that?!

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:41:18 -0500

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E. Jean Guerin wrote:

> Queen Jenny wrote:

> >I was the same was with Fairuza Balk...but now i've turned into a

bit of a

> >cynic about the whole bit

> By your own admission, this is just a phase in developpment. So don't

> deny that phase to others.

> This is another phase of being a teen: spitting on behavior that's

> younger than ours. I know this because I spent my teen years

rejecting a

> lot of things from my childhood. The surprising thing is that later in

> life you begin embracing those things again and all you can think of

> how immature and naive you were to think that rejecting your childhood

> would make you mature faster. Doing that just makes you into a jaded

teen

> with no sense of wonder.

> (:^)]

and then you regret all the fun stuff you let pass away just because

you wanted

to look more experienced. Now I can say that my teen years are prettey

far

away and I miss some of that strange, intense feelings that made me

feel a

whole life in only one day. When you get older, life gets somehow

boring,

unless you unchain the energy of the teen agers. Just my opinion

Thanks for reading

José Antonio

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Subject: Re: how to unsubscribe

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Jason Schnebly wrote:

> does anyone know how I can drop this mailing list? (no offense)

> schnebly@brookings.net

Send your request to heavenly-c-request@lists.best.com

No subject and type in the body unsubscribe and that's all

What I don't remember is the address, but I guess that was the good one.

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001 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n955

002 - Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@ - Review of *The Inspector Pitt

Mysteries*

003 - Bao Ly <Refuse_to_be_burn - Holy Grail Pics

004 - Mad4Claire@aol.com - viewing Kate

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Jason Schnebly wrote:

> does anyone know how I can drop this mailing list? (no offense)

> schnebly@brookings.net

Send your request to heavenly-c-request@lists.best.com

No subject and type in the body unsubscribe and that's all

What I don't remember is the address, but I guess that was the good one.

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From: Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>

Subject: Review of *The Inspector Pitt Mysteries*

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:30:19 +0800 (WST)

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The following review comes from the Guardian, an English newspaper. It

written by Nancy Banks-Smith, World's Greatest Writer About Television.

Note it mentions Anne Perry but not Pauline Parker, or any other such

thing.

If you enjoy The Inspector Pitt Mysteries (ITV), they will give you a

second helping, so be careful what you say.

This is late-Victorian London. Fog, top hats, moustaches, bustles,

hansom

cabs, street cries and servant girls. You get the general idea.

The men lead seething, subterranean lives. The doctor was drummed out

India. The paterfamilias has a secret mistress. The butler has

smuggled

his illegitimate daughter into the house as a maid. The son-in-law of

the

house is sleeping with her. The hellfire preacher flagellates himself

nightly with a cat o' nine tails. The women occupy themselves by taking

Brown Windsor to the the poor and are being strangled. Not necessarily

the poor.

Inspector Pitt is played by the rather delicious Eoin McCarthy. Flowing

marmalade hair, soft collar, loose tie. Insubordinate, naturally.

Sometimes your heart goes out to superintendents, incessantly sauced by

their charismatic subordinates.

Pitt, in turn, is comprehensively snubbed by the *bon ton*. ("There

is a

trademans entrance"), including Charlotte, who slays him with her noble

birth. At first.

To cut short your suspense, the hellfire preacher's wife did it. I

cannot

positively tell you why, as her explanation was overlaid with background

music that was in the foreground. No doubt she was upset about

something.

Pitt shot her as she was trying to garotte Charlotte with a cheese wire,

though the intelligent girl had wisely worn a dog collar.

Though Anne Perry is British, her Inspector Pitt stories are far more

popular in the United States than in Britain. Like Prince Edward, whose

company made the film, they have tourist appeal. Somehow you felt the

film was talking to you, but looking over your shoulder at someone else.

cheers

*Rana borovnia*

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From: Bao Ly <Refuse_to_be_burnt_out@reflection.org>

Subject: Holy Grail Pics

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:46:47 -0700

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I watched the Holy Grail again the other day. I decided to capture some

stills of the missing scenes from the NAm/UK/OZ versions. I know,

should of done it long time ago for those who've never seen them.

These do not reflect all of the missing or cut scenes, nor are some of

the stills are exact frames from scenes only in the Holy Grail. With

that said, here is a breakdown:

* Borovnian princesses / 'my daughter...and my foster daughter'

* How much is that doggie in the window

* Sick patient coughing blood into a bowl

* The ones I worship sequence / P&J and P&J plasticine figures

* Ilam party / P&J hiding behind scrubs after soaking Dr Bennet & his

wife

* Ilam party / P&J talking about Hilda and Bill Perry

* Ilam party / P&J talking about mummy and daddy

* Bill Perry's arrival/ 'Uh, hullo!'

* P&J on balcony / Going to Hollywood

* P&J on balcony / Moider any odd wives that get in our way

* Dr Hulme dismisal / conference room

* Dr Hulme resignation ceremony / portrait

* Dr Hulme breaking down / sobbing

* The loviest night of the year waltz / extended

* Sin banner / exploding blood

* Honora / why couldn't mother die

* Hebert / father too

* Pauline / make a wish

* Pauline's bloody face - final shot

They are available at: http://k8di.reflection.org/hc/nzhc_pics.asp

Netscape 3.0/4.0/IE 4.0 or above required. (Sorry, testing a few

things)

Enjoy!

Bao

http://www.reflection.org

mailto:Refuse_to_be_burnt_out@reflection.org

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Subject: viewing Kate

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so i was wondering...who all on this list has actually met Kate.

obviously, i

Know that Jean has. but i thinK there are more. i would like to hear yr

stories of how you met her....

~~^^SARAH^^~~

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On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:36:38 EDT, Rosedwson4@aol.com wrote:

>In a message dated 98-10-14 11:11:29 EDT, you write:

>> And the scene in the

>> NZ and UK cut, where p&j are hiding in the bushes at the ilam garden

>> party... it's a very clumsy scene, the acting of kate and even

melanie

>> is way below par there.

>theyre supposed to be drunk in that scene i believe!!!!

Are they? I don't think so. But, let's say they are, then i'm still

not happy with the acting. It just has a very childish, school play

kinda quality to it, they are just reading their lines, there's no

emotion.

And what's with all the exclamation marks?

>dont you think you come across as weird when youre drunk?!

Weird is good. Bad acting isn't, especially when you're in a movie.

Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94

All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.

It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures

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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen)

Subject: Re: i want to know

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:23:12 GMT

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On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:02:55 +0200, ~lyric~

<heavenlycreature@innocent.com> wrote:

>jeroen wrote:

>> Like with any film, after a certain number of viewings the emotional

>> impact wears off, and you will start noticing little things like

this.

>> It sucks, but that's life.

>So after how many times did that happen? Cause I'll make sure to stop

>watching HC before that time and remember strong the emotions forever.

>(and I KNOW I can never keep this promise...*s*)

For me it happened around the 50th viewing, 2-3 months after the first

time i saw it. By the time i'd seen it another 50 times i got a

little tired of it and now i pop in the laserdisc maybe once every 3

months, only when i'm really in the mood. You could say i have a more

healthy, matured relationship with HC now, albeit a bit boring.

The only film i don't think i will ever grow tired of is NBK. I think

that's because every single frame in that film is a piece of art by

itself.

Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94

All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.

It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures

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From: recurring <recurring@yahoo.com>

Subject: Peter Jackson Site

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:14:14 -0700 (PDT)

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Dear Creatures,

Whilst surfing the net I came across this wonderfully expansive Peter

Jackson site. I'm not sure how long it's been up - I haven't searched

for him in a long time - but it's really great and worth checking out

at:

http://members.xoom.com/lv4/

Later,

Jane

_________________________________________________________

DO YOU YAHOO!?

Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

Subject: Re: More $.02 on the Moider Scene

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:16:25 +0100

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>You're right, every single article about Anne Perry mentions the event

>and Pauline. We will always see them as a pair. What I don't understand

>is that they stated they don't feel the need to see eachother again (at

>least Anne Perry said that, didn't she?)

>Right after I'd seen HC for the first time I couldn't believe that they

>had really never met again after they were separated. I just didn't

>think that was true. And that's also what most people who saw it

>(whether they liked it or not) said to me. They were sure that Pauline

>and Juliet were still seeing eachother, or had at least met eachother a

>few times...

>Anyone alse on this thought the same thing?

My friend Laura couldn't comprehend the idea that they wouldn't want to

meet

again, but I think I can sort of understand it. Whether or not I can

put my

thoughts into words is another matter. I'll get back to you on that.

xoxox

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Please unsubscribe me from this mailing list.

Thank You.

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> 001 - Rosedwson4@aol.com - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n955

> 002 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: i want to know

> 003 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: what was that?!

> 004 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: Obsession

> 005 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - a piece of Mel news!!!

> 006 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: i want to know

> 007 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - More $.02 on the Moider Scene

> 008 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo - Re: i want to know

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> From: Rosedwson4@aol.com

> Subject: Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n955

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:36:38 EDT

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> In a message dated 98-10-14 11:11:29 EDT, you write:

> > And the scene in the

> > NZ and UK cut, where p&j are hiding in the bushes at the ilam

garden

> > party... it's a very clumsy scene, the acting of kate and even

melanie

> > is way below par there.

> >

> theyre supposed to be drunk in that scene i believe!!!! dont you

think you

> come across as weird when youre drunk?!

> just for thoughts.. :)

> ~Rachel ;-)!!!~

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> From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

> Subject: Re: i want to know

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:44:53 -0400

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> jeroen wrote:

> >Like with any film, after a certain number of viewings the emotional

> >impact wears off

> I agree. This is why I limit the number of times I watch any film. I

> watch HC on average once a year now (I saw it 4 times on a big screen

> a week at the Toronto film fest and four times in theatres on its

first

> run).

> Besides, I learned a long time ago that repeated viewings can take

away

> from the opportunity of discovering something new.

> (:^)]

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> From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

> Subject: Re: what was that?!

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:20:41 +0200

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> Queen Jenny wrote:

> > Okay, here's why I put in that one...until about 3 months ago, I

used to

> > visit personal home pages, not the "hi, i'm katie, here are some

links and a

> > picture of my cat" type, but the poetry writing journal

> > my-page-is-more-depressed-than yours sect.

> Didn't we all go through that fase?? I won't bore you with mine, but

> ended not too long ago, not the day that I turned 16. Who cares about

> age anyway...

> Marloes

> --

> I'm so aware of where I am,

> but I don't know where that is

> Believe, K's Choice

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> From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

> Subject: Re: Obsession

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:16:44 +0200

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> Alisha wrote:

> > Also, while I have your attention [or not, as the case may be],

does anyone

> > have a problem with me and my long sig? B/C I've been on mailing

lists

> > before and I've found it's bothered people having the same sig

posted

> > several times a day and wasting valuable downloading time.

> Doesn't bother me at all, I have one myself all the time...need to

> change it more often though!! That one before this was getting on my

own

> nerves!

> But if it bothers people, please say so...thanx

> Marloes

> --

> I'm so aware of where I am,

> but I don't know where that is

> Believe, K's Choice

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> From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

> Subject: a piece of Mel news!!!

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:49:42 +0200

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> My fellow Creatures....

> I just received this message from Mark Kines:

> ~~~~

> Well, I do have a piece of Mel news for you. I just talked to her

agent,

> trying to find out where she is, and apparently in just 10 days Mel

> herself

> is coming to L.A. to live here for a month. Then in December she's off

> to

> do another film. It's called "But I'm a Cheerleader!" I have a feeling

> it's

> an American film - I doubt any other country has cheerleaders. I have

> idea how big the film is. I think it might be an independent film,

> because

> the agent I talked to said it wasn't her deal, and that agent is in

> charge

> of getting Mel the big Hollywood stuff (like "Ever After"). But who

> knows?

> I suppose I will find out more when Mel arrives. In any event, it's

> certainly good news. I doubt she plays a cheerleader though. Stupid

> American casting system.

> -Mark

> ~~~~

> Weeeeeellll, this is all folks...nite!

> Marloes

> --

> I'm so aware of where I am,

> but I don't know where that is

> Believe, K's Choice

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> From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

> Subject: Re: i want to know

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:02:55 +0200

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> jeroen wrote:

> > Like with any film, after a certain number of viewings the emotional

> > impact wears off, and you will start noticing little things like

this.

> > It sucks, but that's life.

> So after how many times did that happen? Cause I'll make sure to stop

> watching HC before that time and remember strong the emotions forever.

> (and I KNOW I can never keep this promise...*s*)

> Marloes

> --

> I'm so aware of where I am,

> but I don't know where that is

> Believe, K's Choice

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> From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

> Subject: More $.02 on the Moider Scene

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:29:04 +0200

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> RUbabes@aol.com wrote:

> > I think the scene is stunning and does just what it should.

> It defenately does. Besides that, I think the story is about the

growing

> friendship between the friends up to the murder. According to me it's

> not a film about violence, although there are some 'violent' aspects

> it.

> And also: this is a true story. We can all read and imagine what

really

> happened, and what it must have looked like. It's horrible enough as

> is. I wouldn't want to see it in this beautiful film. That's just my

> opinion of course...

> > What is a little interesting irony thing thrown in there,

though....is that

> > although they were ordered to 'never meet again', and were jailed

seperately,

> > etc etc...they will forever be together in the memory of that

crime, this

> > film, etc. They will always be a duo, forever a pair in everyone's

mind. They

> > got what they wished for....just in a totally different

method...hmmmmm...:)

> You're right, every single article about Anne Perry mentions the event

> and Pauline. We will always see them as a pair. What I don't

understand

> is that they stated they don't feel the need to see eachother again

(at

> least Anne Perry said that, didn't she?)

> Right after I'd seen HC for the first time I couldn't believe that

they

> had really never met again after they were separated. I just didn't

> think that was true. And that's also what most people who saw it

> (whether they liked it or not) said to me. They were sure that Pauline

> and Juliet were still seeing eachother, or had at least met eachother

> few times...

> Anyone alse on this thought the same thing?

> bye,

> Marloes

> --

> I'm so aware of where I am,

> but I don't know where that is

> Believe, K's Choice

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> From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo" <jabad@softtek.com>

> Subject: Re: i want to know

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:36:04 -0500

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> E. Jean Guerin wrote:

> > jeroen wrote:

> >

> > >Like with any film, after a certain number of viewings the

emotional

> > >impact wears off

> >

> > I agree. This is why I limit the number of times I watch any film. I

> > watch HC on average once a year now (I saw it 4 times on a big

screen in

> > a week at the Toronto film fest and four times in theatres on its

first

> > run).

> >

> > Besides, I learned a long time ago that repeated viewings can take

away

> > from the opportunity of discovering something new.

> >

> > (:^)]

> I like to call "magical Elixir" to all that stuff that somehow

touches deep

> on me. It can be a song, or a smell or a movie, it can be anything

that

> stimulates my senses. HC touched me. I've seen it about 20 times,

but as

> Jean, now I try to keep it for some other moments, but here is a tip,

never

> leave one of this elixirs stored for a long time, because, like

parfumes, it

> will loose it's magical power. The last time I saw HC was 2 months

ago. I

> just bought the special edition of Titanic and I haven't seen it yet.

I'm

> saving it for another special moment.

> Yhanks for reading

> jose Antonio

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> From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo" <jabad@softtek.com>

> Subject: Re: what was that?!

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:41:18 -0500

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> E. Jean Guerin wrote:

> > Queen Jenny wrote:

> >

> > >I was the same was with Fairuza Balk...but now i've turned into a

bit of a

> > >cynic about the whole bit

> >

> > By your own admission, this is just a phase in developpment. So

don't

> > deny that phase to others.

> >

> > This is another phase of being a teen: spitting on behavior that's

> > younger than ours. I know this because I spent my teen years

rejecting a

> > lot of things from my childhood. The surprising thing is that later

> > life you begin embracing those things again and all you can think

of is

> > how immature and naive you were to think that rejecting your

childhood

> > would make you mature faster. Doing that just makes you into a

jaded teen

> > with no sense of wonder.

> >

> > (:^)]

> and then you regret all the fun stuff you let pass away just because

you wanted

> to look more experienced. Now I can say that my teen years are

prettey far

> away and I miss some of that strange, intense feelings that made me

feel a

> whole life in only one day. When you get older, life gets somehow

boring,

> unless you unchain the energy of the teen agers. Just my opinion

> Thanks for reading

> José Antonio

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> From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo" <jabad@softtek.com>

> Subject: Re: how to unsubscribe

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:51:11 -0500

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> Jason Schnebly wrote:

> > does anyone know how I can drop this mailing list? (no offense)

> > schnebly@brookings.net

> Send your request to heavenly-c-request@lists.best.com

> No subject and type in the body unsubscribe and that's all

> What I don't remember is the address, but I guess that was the good

one.

> JA

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Subject: Re: More $.02 on the Moider Scene

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:47:12 +0200

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Alisha wrote:

> My friend Laura couldn't comprehend the idea that they wouldn't want

to meet

> again, but I think I can sort of understand it. Whether or not I can

put my

> thoughts into words is another matter. I'll get back to you on that.

Yes, please do so! Of course I do respect the fact that they live

seperate lifes, and don't want to meet eachother. But I really REALLY

can't understand it, no matter from which way I look at it... I think I

understand that the incredible friendship and the dreams they shared

were gone after the whole event. But why wouldn't you want to meet the

one person who meant so much to you long ago? If only once...

Do you think that even though they aren't allowed and/or don't want to

see each other, they still know about how the other is doing?? Would

someone keep them updated? I dunno, just a thought...

Take care,

Marloes

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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001 - "Eileene Coscolluela" <ec - Re: More $.02 on the Moider Scene

002 - "Marie Braden" <braden@ms - RE: More $.02 on the Moider Scene

003 - "Marie Braden" <braden@ms - Is it Just Me?

004 - Mad4Claire@aol.com - um..hey!

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006 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Is it Just Me?

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009 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: More $.02 on the Moider Scene

010 - Adit <adit@main.aquanet.c - murder

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From: "Eileene Coscolluela" <ecoscolluela@kinderhook.com>

Subject: Re: More $.02 on the Moider Scene

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:56:50 -0400

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I can definitely understand why Ms. Perry wouldn't want to meet Pauline

again...

It's a traumatic chapter in their lives. The trial brought that to a

and they were both incarcerated. Both spent their time educating

themselves and trying to get their lives to move ahead with their lives.

They had nothing but to look forward... and never look back. Atleast,

that

is what I would have done.

To me, I feel sad towards the pair. It doesn't make sense to the

logical

me... especially knowing how bright and talented both girls were. It

strikes me as odd that these two bright girls couldn't think of *better*

alternatives.

Eileene =)

iko@woolgathering.net

www.woolgathering.net

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From: "Marie Braden" <braden@msw0.attnet.or.jp>

Subject: RE: More $.02 on the Moider Scene

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:01:14 +0900

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> >You're right, every single article about Anne Perry mentions the

event

> >and Pauline. We will always see them as a pair. What I don't

understand

> >is that they stated they don't feel the need to see eachother again

(at

> >least Anne Perry said that, didn't she?)

> >Right after I'd seen HC for the first time I couldn't believe that

they

> >had really never met again after they were separated. I just didn't

> >think that was true. And that's also what most people who saw it

> >(whether they liked it or not) said to me. They were sure that

Pauline

> >and Juliet were still seeing eachother, or had at least met

eachother a

> >few times...

Two schools of thought here: One is that I would probably at least be

*curious* as to how life had treated someone who had been so much to me

(then again, I recently found a phone number for, and called up my very

first boyfriend, to whom I'd not spoken since 1987....just to find out

how

he was, and to tell him how much his friendship had meant to me)

The other school of thought is that after something as horrific as the

killing, one might not wish to be reminded of it...it was a very bad

time in

both their lives....both their worlds crumbled....I know that I don't

have

any real desire to look up some of the people who shared some of my

other

worst times...I've grown beyond that, and don't want to be reminded of

them...imagine how much worse it must be for someone whose "worst

times" got

international publicity.

So....I would imagine that they probably really never have felt the

need to

see each other again...but I wouldn't be surprised if either or both at

least knew a bit of "Whatever Happened To...?"

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From: "Marie Braden" <braden@msw0.attnet.or.jp>

Subject: Is it Just Me?

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Perhaps I'll understand better, once I've seen "the grail"...but the

still

shots of Pauline fantasizing the murder of Honora and Bert make it look

if it is being played for laughs....I'll reserve judgement 'till I've

seen

the whole thing, but I think I understand why that scene at least got

cut.

The still shot of Honora lying across the table is almost ludicrously

funny

in a morbid kind of way.....and it seems to me that it would "cheapen"

the

horror of what actually happened.

But...to start another thread....how did you come to see HC? What led

you

to it?

In my case, I saw the slip case every night at the video store where I

used

to work...and was intrigued by the teaser copy. Then, a year and a half

later, someone mentioned the flick on the cult movies

newsgroup....which led

me to the FAQ....when I read the FAQ, it struck some chord in me of

...well,

remembrance....(I guess I must have read about the case when I was

younger

and devoured books about true crime)....plus, it sounded like a

well-done

flick, full of thought, etc. So I rented it three times before I

actually

sat down and watched it.

But as soon as I did, I knew I had to own it.

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From: Mad4Claire@aol.com

Subject: um..hey!

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:02:11 EDT

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is anyone ever going to help me see that titanic Kate doll. i really

want to

see it!!! even if it is crappy.

~~^^SARAH^^~~

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Re: More $.02 on the Moider Scene

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:33:28 -0400

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I think it would help to understand the Parker-Hulme case to make this

point about HC:

The sympathy you feel towards the girls is based on the film which

broke

from the traditionnal view of these girls as monsters by portraying

them

as healthy young girls with the same hopes, dreams and fears that most

girls do.

Their behavior portrayal is not a roadmap to matricide. It's more to

show

their human side.

The film doesn't caution against being a teen. It actually celebrates

that. The tragic part comes from teenage melodrama spinning out of

control as a result of having so many different layers to the truth

that

it would drive anyone batty. (Pauline finds out she was born out of

wedlock. Juliet finds out her parents idyllic marriage is but a

facade...)

Obsesions in teens comes from the strength of their emotions. The

discovery of new things can be so overwhelming that it's easy to think

:"This is it!"

This is an easy assumption to make as life experience has yet to make

such discoveries more commonplace. Your first love (whether a person or

movie) is rarely your only love. However, you need a bit of life

experience to get a sense of proportion. At age 17 you think that if

you

don't get to kiss that person or see that movie, you'll die. At age 35,

you go out looking for new people and experiences and rent films you've

never seen before.

(:^)]

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Re: Is it Just Me?

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:54:06 -0400

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Marie Braden wrote:

>.but the still

>shots of Pauline fantasizing the murder of Honora and Bert make it

look as

>if it is being played for laughs.

It is. And the punch line to the scene is wonderfully ghoulish.

>...I'll reserve judgement 'till I've seen

>the whole thing, but I think I understand why that scene at least got

cut.

>The still shot of Honora lying across the table is almost ludicrously

funny

>in a morbid kind of way.....and it seems to me that it would "cheapen"

the

>horror of what actually happened.

It doesn't. It contrasts with the real murder and explains a bit why

Pauline thought she could get away with it. She has no idea what death

looks like at that point. She just thinks she's really clever.

(:^)]

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:29:48 +0100

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Mad4Claire@aol.com wrote:

> is anyone ever going to help me see that titanic Kate doll. i really

want to

> see it!!! even if it is crappy.

I've been looking for it as well!! Because I wanted to show it to a

friend at school. I got an idea...gonna search through my cache when I

come home tonight and I'll send it to ya if I can find it, k?

Take care,

Marloes

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Subject: Re: Is it Just Me?

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:38:04 +0100

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Marie Braden wrote:

> The still shot of Honora lying across the table is almost ludicrously

funny

> in a morbid kind of way.....and it seems to me that it would

"cheapen" the

> horror of what actually happened.

That's exactly what I thought...Could someone tell me more about this

scene? Were Pauline and Juliet making fun of it? Were they serious?? To

me the images look as if they are taken from some comedy...

> But...to start another thread....how did you come to see HC? What

led you

> to it?

I think I've told this before, but anyway.... I read about HC in the

TV-magazine, it was the picture of Pauline and Juliet in the wood that

drawed my attention, I put thick circles around it and forgot all about

it untill I was babysitting and saw the film starting on BBC. I saw the

first 2 mins and got called away...by the time I got back downstairs it

was like 30 mins later so I decided not to watch it anymore and zapped

to another film (incredibly boring one btw)...When Iwoke up the next

morning I found that my mom had taped it for me because she saw the

circles in the magazine...I watched it during my breakfast......

Bye,

Marloes

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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>

Subject: Re: More $.02 on the Moider Scene

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:05:12 +0100 (BST)

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Jean wrote:

> Obsesions in teens comes from the strength of their emotions. The

> discovery of new things can be so overwhelming that it's easy to

think

> :"This is it!"

Oh God yes, as Juliet might say. I was obsessively obsessive, too, as a

teenager: girls, bands, books, girls... It'll probably make me sound

ancient and crumbly, but I am quite relieved to have made it to mid-20s.

> At age 17 you think that if you

> don't get to kiss that person or see that movie, you'll die. At age

35,

> you go out looking for new people and experiences and rent films

you've

> never seen before.

This is really perceptive about the strengths of HC and about growing

up.

Watching HC aged 24 (which was how old I was the first time) often felt

like a prolonged and tragic farewell to an old, obsessive self which, I

thought, was also the spontaneous, anarchic side of me which made me

interesting. At once painful and liberating. That's why I found the

written epilogue so affecting, because it points out that something was

lost forever when P&J committed the murder. They ruled out so many

things

from their future lives by succumbing to their worst fears.

To end on a cheerful note, it's definitely not the case that when you

say

goodbye to some of that obsessive, eruptive energy that you turn into

some

kind of total bore. That's always what I feared, but it just ain't

true.

Not completely anyway (said Phil, easing on his slippers and reaching

for

the cocoa). You just learning how to cope with it all. Confessions over!

Cheers,

Phil

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>I'd like to know how the moider scene affected you all

I thought the murder was absolutely horrible! I just didn't understand

why Pauline hated her mother so much. I mean, if anyone had to be

killed- it should have been Juliet's mother! I thought she was much more

awful than Honora. She didn't care at all about her daughter- Honora

did! In fact on the first time I saw it I didn't know which mother is

going to be murdered so I was sure its Juliet's mother. On the other 3

times I saw it I always felt so bad for her... What do you all think

about this?

-Adit

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001 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: More $.02 on the Moider Scene

002 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - Marriage!

003 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - Re: murder

004 - hanna bervoets <hanna-b@d - Re: murder

005 - hanna bervoets <hanna-b@d - Re: Is it Just Me?

006 - "B & B Library LIB-APCO" - Re: Marriage!

007 - Mad4Claire@aol.com - Re: Is it Just Me?

008 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - Re: Is it Just Me?

009 - Mad4Claire@aol.com - Re: Is it Just Me?

010 - RUbabes@aol.com - KW-Engagement

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Re: More $.02 on the Moider Scene

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:51:53 -0400

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Phil West wrote:

>To end on a cheerful note, it's definitely not the case that when you

say

>goodbye to some of that obsessive, eruptive energy that you turn into

some

>kind of total bore.

Absolutely. It's not like you enjoy things less. It's like you are

aware

of so many things to enjoy that you don't want to miss out. You don't

expect everything to be "it!" but once in a while, a nice surprise

happens.

To me,it happened on my 18th birthday. That night I broke from my usual

"sci-fi" obsession to go see "North by Northwest" at a repertory

cinema.

That movie made me thrill more than any modern special effects had. It

also was the beginning of my Hitchcock obsession.

If anything, moderating my enthusiam ensures I don't burn out on it.

(:^)]

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From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

Subject: Marriage!

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:45:46 +0100

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Has anyone else heard about Kate Winslet getting married? I saw it on

the

front of a newspaper today but my father (ever the slavedriver)

wouldn't let

me stop to read it. Any info anybody?

Alisha

xoxox

alisha1121@hotmail.com

kleinjan@btinternet.com

http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/frontx.htm

"Don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos;

movies make psychos more creative."

- Billy Loomis, 'Scream'

"I really like gratuitous nudity. I hate when people go

'I'll only do it if it makes sense for the movie.' It

never makes sense. So I like it - the more gratuitous

the better."

- David Duchovny. Amen.

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From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

Subject: Re: murder

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:48:52 +0100

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>>I'd like to know how the moider scene affected you all

>I thought the murder was absolutely horrible! I just didn't understand

>why Pauline hated her mother so much. I mean, if anyone had to be

>killed- it should have been Juliet's mother! I thought she was much

>awful than Honora. She didn't care at all about her daughter- Honora

>did! In fact on the first time I saw it I didn't know which mother is

>going to be murdered so I was sure its Juliet's mother. On the other 3

>times I saw it I always felt so bad for her... What do you all think

>about this?

I didn't see either of them as 'awful'; not any more than any teenager

would

consider their mother awful. After all, Hilda was practically the only

person who wasn't trying to discourage the girls' friendship, wasn't

she?

But I don't think Honora was that bad either - she was only being a

mother.

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From: hanna bervoets <hanna-b@dds.nl>

Subject: Re: murder

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:06:05 +0200

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At 16:25 16-10-98 +0200, you wrote:

>>I'd like to know how the moider scene affected you all

>I thought the murder was absolutely horrible! I just didn't understand

>why Pauline hated her mother so much. I mean, if anyone had to be

>killed- it should have been Juliet's mother! I thought she was much

>awful than Honora. She didn't care at all about her daughter- Honora

>did! In fact on the first time I saw it I didn't know which mother is

>going to be murdered so I was sure its Juliet's mother. On the other 3

>times I saw it I always felt so bad for her... What do you all think

>about this?

>-Adit

Hmmm, I dunno..I don't think Juliet's mother was that afwul, and I

think she

did care about Juliet. So did Honora of course, and it's horrible that

she

got killed. I didn't really feel bad for her the first time I saw HC

though,

but when I saw it a few times more I did.

I believe both mothers cared about their daughters a lot but just didn't

show them that the right way...

Hanna

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From: hanna bervoets <hanna-b@dds.nl>

Subject: Re: Is it Just Me?

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:06:03 +0200

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At 10:38 16-10-98 +0100, you wrote:

>> But...to start another thread....how did you come to see HC? What

led you

>> to it?

I remember how I was just lying in my bed, trying to get some sleep

when I

decited to turn the T.V on [because I couldn't get to sleep anyway..]

There

were 2 things I wanted to watch; one of 'em was this show called

"Filmspot"

where they review movies, and the other thing was HC. All I knew about

this

movie was, that it was about a friendship between 2 girls who "made up"

their own world. That's the only thing the T.V guide said..Anyway I

choose

to watch HC, 'cus I noticed that there would be a re-run of Filmspot the

next day [If it wasn't for that re-run I wouldn't even have watched HC!]

During the movie I just kept thinking;"I don't want this movie to end"

and I

kept looking at my alarm clock to see how much longer the movie would

take

[I wanted it to take forever of course]

I just loved it so much! Right after it had ended I wanted to see it

again,

so I got it on video the next day and watched it every day for one

week. [

[Now I watch it once a week]

Ok, that was my little story..

Hanna

-hanna-b@dds.nl-

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From: "B & B Library LIB-APCO" <LIB-APCO@balch.com>

Subject: Re: Marriage!

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:11:38 -0500

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Kate Winslet Engaged

Kate Winslet's heart will go on, but not with

Leonardo DiCaprio. The 23-year-old Titanic

star announced Friday that she's engaged to

marry her 24-year-old boyfriend, Jim

Threapleton.

"When you know [you are in love], you know,"

Winslet tells London's Daily Mirror. "That's

what I've been told all my life and now I know."

The Oscar-nominated actress tells the paper

that she and Threapleton, an assistant film

director, have been secretly engaged since last

summer. The two met

a year ago in Morocco, where Kate was starring in

the upcoming

drama Hideous Kinky, in which she plays a

free-spirited mother of

two little girls.

Winslet says it was love at first sight. "I knew

instantly*instantly. I

thought, 'Yep, I'll have that.'" Threapleton, who

has been living in

Winslet's London pad since the spring, placed a

simple white gold

ring with tiny diamonds on her finger. OK, so

it's not exactly the

"Heart of the Ocean" necklace she wore in the

movie, but it's nice

nonetheless.

No date has been set for the nuptials, and

Winslet warns the paper

not to expect a big wedding anytime soon. The

actress, who's also

starring in Holy Smoke for director Jane Campion,

says she's much

too busy to tie the knot before the end of the

year. Winslet hinted that

she could take that long walk down the aisle next

summer.

And speaking of Kate, the actress isn't exactly

thrilled that she was

dubbed "Body of the Year" in a recent poll in

England. She says she

finds the whole thing "a little irritating."

"Why do we keep talking about women's bodies all

the time,

particularly actresses?" Winslet said Thursday on

Clive Anderson's

All Talk TV show.

"I'm a normal human being, and we all go up and

down," Winslet

explains of her ever-changing figure. "The weight

stuff that goes on in

the papers just makes me ill because there are so

many young girls

out there whose minds are being so messed up by

this, and I just think

it is upsetting and it should just stop."

>>> "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com> 10/16 11:45 AM >>>

Has anyone else heard about Kate Winslet getting married? I saw it on

the

front of a newspaper today but my father (ever the slavedriver)

wouldn't let

me stop to read it. Any info anybody?

Alisha

xoxox

alisha1121@hotmail.com

kleinjan@btinternet.com

http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/frontx.htm

"Don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos;

movies make psychos more creative."

- Billy Loomis, 'Scream'

"I really like gratuitous nudity. I hate when people go

'I'll only do it if it makes sense for the movie.' It

never makes sense. So I like it - the more gratuitous

the better."

- David Duchovny. Amen.

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Subject: Re: Is it Just Me?

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:08:56 EDT

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SORRY! that message sent before i was through! let me start again!

how did i come to see HC? i met Jesse on AOL and talKed to her for

awhile.

she was telling me how obsessed she was with Kate and strongly

recommended

that i see HC. i went out that nite and rented it. and my life has

never been

the same! it is my absolute favourite movie. i talK about it to

everyone all

the time. i used to watch it every single nite! sometimes even twice in

a row.

thanK goodness i have calmed myself down now! ha!

under Jesse's recommendation again..that is how i came to see Jude and

Hamlet

too! what a wonderful girl that Jesse is! now...i am in love with Kate

so its

all Jesse's fault! j/k....

that's it

~~^^SARAH^^~~

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From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

Subject: Re: Is it Just Me?

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:52:13 +0100

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>> But...to start another thread....how did you come to see HC? What

led

you

>> to it?

Kate. At the time HC was aired on tv, I thought Titanic was the best

film

imaginable and I thought KW was just sensational. I almost definitely

wouldn't have watched it if she wasn't in it. I was very much more

impressed

by HC than I was by Titanic, or any other movie for that matter; but it

did

take me a few watches before I got really into it. I always get like

that

when I see a movie that's a true story - I always want to know more,

and as

soon as I'd read the FAQ, I just had to watch it again and again...

Quite

disasterous really since I accidentally taped over the beginning up

until

the Port Levy incident. Strangely enough, everyone else I know disliked

it,

except my best friend, but I guess that just goes to show how much more

'brilliantly clever' she is than the rest of the world.

Alisha

xoxox

alisha1121@hotmail.com

kleinjan@btinternet.com

http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/frontx.htm

"Don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos;

movies make psychos more creative."

- Billy Loomis, 'Scream'

"I really like gratuitous nudity. I hate when people go

'I'll only do it if it makes sense for the movie.' It

never makes sense. So I like it - the more gratuitous

the better."

- David Duchovny. Amen.

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From: Mad4Claire@aol.com

Subject: Re: Is it Just Me?

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:57:25 EDT

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how was i lead into seeing HC? luck

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Subject: KW-Engagement

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:25:04 EDT

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Just found this at the Yahoo news site...from E online...:)

Congrats are in order!!!

-Jesse :)

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Kate Winslet Engaged

Friday October 16 2:55 PM ET

Kate Winslet Engaged

So much for the free-wheeling, devil-may-care spinster lifestyle her

ninetysomething Titanic alter-ego Rose had all planned out.Kate

Winslet's

getting hitched at 23. The Academy Award-nominated Brit is going to

marry

aspiring film director Jim Theapleton, 24, according to Associated

Press. The

two met last year on the set of the forthcoming film Hideous Kinky, on

which

Theapleton served as assistant director.

"We want to get married sometime next summer," Winslet told reporters,

"but

we want to keep the details a secret."

And the way Winslet describes it, since she first laid eyes on the

filmmaker,

all those life-loving, ship-jumping, nude-sketching Jack Dawson-types

out

there never even stood a chance. Why, the first time she saw him, the

Sense

and Sensibility star said to herself, "Yep, I'll have that....When you

know

it's the right thing, you just know."

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001 - Dopedoll <netdance@worldn - Re: Is it Just Me?

002 - Ald14hc@aol.com - Natural Born Killers - OT

003 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen) - Re: Natural Born Killers - OT

004 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: KW-Engagement

005 - recurring <recurring@yaho - I've made a Jude site...

006 - adam abrams <adamabr@heli - HC Links

007 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - HC list members' database and The

Borovnian Archives

008 - FLiekefett@t-online.de (F - OT: Kate Winslet in waxworks?

009 - "Linzi Cottrell" <Rose.Da - Re: Kate Winslet in waxworks?

010 - StarScully@aol.com - Re: Is it Just Me?

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oh..and for the confused, this is the strange and mysterious "Queen"

Jenny..i have a strange

fixation on changing my email name every five seconds.

I saw HC advertised on a video preview. It was a in late 95. I will

never for the life of me

remember exactly what video it was...but with the first glimpse of

Melanie, I knew I *had* to see

that movie. Anyway, I rented it, watched it once, and didn't know what

to think. I was completely

taken aback. I watched it a second time, and then a third, and I

believe I had watched it 4 times

before I had to return it. Then I immediately..well..2 weeks after,

went out and bought it and the

rest is very ancient history. Those video previews are amazing

things...hell, the preview on my HC

video led me to my current obsession (I don't think I could ever say

enough about this film)

Exotica.

so anyway, that is my amazingly boring story.

-J

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From: Ald14hc@aol.com

Subject: Natural Born Killers - OT

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:23:02 EDT

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I know this is a bit OT - but I've noticed a few of you (Jeroen??) here

are

fans of the movie... and can help me. I am about to buy Natural Born

Killers, and wouldn't ya know they have three different ones to choose

from

(pan & scan, directors cut, and directors cut widescreen), since I've

only

seen the pan & scan version, I don't know which one to choose. Can

someone

please clearify the additions to the directors cut? THANK YOU!

~Angie

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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen)

Subject: Re: Natural Born Killers - OT

Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 06:22:51 GMT

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On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:23:02 EDT, Ald14hc@aol.com wrote:

>I know this is a bit OT - but I've noticed a few of you (Jeroen??)

here are

>fans of the movie... and can help me. I am about to buy Natural Born

>Killers, and wouldn't ya know they have three different ones to choose

from

>(pan & scan, directors cut, and directors cut widescreen), since I've

only

>seen the pan & scan version, I don't know which one to choose. Can

someone

>please clearify the additions to the directors cut? THANK YOU!

Get the director's cut, it has about 9 minutes restored back into the

movie. Imho the director's cut is a completely different film than

the rated version. The rated version is just your average summer

action flick, while the DC is much more over the top, making it more

of a satire. Also in the rated version some scenes just don't feel

right because a) you don't know exactly what's going on (for example

the scene where malorie kills scagnetti) or b) the rhythm of scenes

that were cut to music (for example the rodney king beating scene) is

completely gone because of certain shots that had to be taken out.

I have the DC on laserdisc, and it has a lot of cool extras like:

2 running commentaries by oliver stone

5 or 6 deleted scenes (the courtroom scene with ashley judd is great)

alternate ending

nine inch nails BURN music video

a documentary with cast and crew interviews.

I know there is also a DC available on vhs, and i assume it has all

these extras except for the commentary tracks. No news on a dvd yet,

although the fact that the PALMETTO dvd has a NBK trailer is probably

a good sign.

A final word on aspect ratio's. You talk about a p&s version, but

that's actually a full-frame cut. This means you actually see more

picture info in this cut than in the 1.85:1 widescreen one.

Widescreen is still better of course, and afaik the DC is only

available in widescreen.

Hope this helps.

Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94

All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.

It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures

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Subject: Re: KW-Engagement

Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:15:20 +0200

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"Yep, I'll have that....When you know

it's the right thing, you just know."

Don't y'all just love that? (-:

Marloes

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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From: recurring <recurring@yahoo.com>

Subject: I've made a Jude site...

Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:06:29 -0700 (PDT)

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Hi Creatures,

Anyone with a bit of time on their hands is most welcome to come and

visit my site at:

http://welcome.to/ajudesite

I'd appreciate any comments, suggestions, observations of errors,

etc.. thanks..

Jane

Also congrats to Kate on the engagement...

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From: adam abrams <adamabr@helix.net>

Subject: HC Links

Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 02:29:34 -0700 (PDT)

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Just a quick note, to say I finally updated my HC links page at the 4th

World. I'm trying to make it the "ultimate HC links page" - not only by

being exhaustive but also by including some kind of commentary on as

many

of the links as I can.

There's one exception: Kate sites. Oh so very many Kate sites. Enough

already with the Kate sites. I give up on listing all of them. But

there's

a link to the site that _does_ list them all (as near as I can tell).

www.geocites.com/Hollywood/Studio/2194/faq2/Section_8/links.html

If I've missed any other (non-Kate) links (and I'm sure I probably have)

please let me know!

Adam

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"Before you criticize a man, you should walk a mile in his

shoes. That way, you are a mile away from him. And you've

got his shoes."

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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>

Subject: HC list members' database and The Borovnian Archives

Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:29:25 -0300

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Right, it's born! Me and Marloes have been working on it and now it's

finally ready. Well, it already was working last week but I wanted to

test it for a while.

The form to send your info is very simple, but it has many different

questions. Any ideas on that are very welcome, of course. All data sent

to me will be put online ASAP. And about the pictures, please send them

to me (please, not bigger than 40KB) at this email address or send a

link for me to get them. They'll be displayed at a different page, a

"members gallery" or something - I thought it would be best than put

them together with the entries, like a police file...

If you notice, the database comes inside a whole new package ;) I've

been working in my HC page for quite a long time but I didn't want to

annouce it to the list until I had most of it done. Some people here

already know it, but everybody's visit is most welcome!

The address is http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Lot/8826. Follow the

"Mailing list" link to fill in the form and send your info. Hope you

like it all!

Juliana.

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Visit The Borovnian Archives!

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Lot/8826

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From: FLiekefett@t-online.de (Frank)

Subject: OT: Kate Winslet in waxworks?

Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:18:03 +0200

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Hi creatures,

according to a german program guide it is planned to erect a wax figure

of KW in

the London waxworks of Madame Tussaud. No joke, it really has been

published

here (Germany). Maybe you should take this with a grain of salt anyway.

I've

tried to translate this little article:

Lonely stature

Thanks to box office hit she has become a national heroine, to be

admired in

London waxworks of Madame Tussaud, soon. Nevertheless, "Titanic" fans

are

confused: "What about Leo DiCaprio?". Further particulars from the

manager's

office:

"One wax figur costs about 300 000 DM (approx. 187 500 US$). Therefore,

we can't

erect every person!"

Besides, Leo is not british...

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Frank

'... although we may not be alone in the universe, in our own separate

ways, on this planet, we are all...alone.'

(3x20: Jose Chung's 'From Outer Space')

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From: "Linzi Cottrell" <Rose.Dawson@btinternet.com>

Subject: Re: Kate Winslet in waxworks?

Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:04:33 +0100

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yep it is happening. But Leo not being british is not why they are not

doing him. They have people from all over the world. What I heard was

that

because it takes so much time and money to make a figure they have to

choose

people that will have a long 'shelf life'. i.e. be popular for a long

time!

Linzi

Titanic was called the ship of dreams - and it was, it really was.

http://www.btinternet.com/~rose.dawson

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From: Frank <FLiekefett@t-online.de>

To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com <heavenly-c@lists.best.com>

Date: 17 October 1998 17:21

Subject: OT: Kate Winslet in waxworks?

>Hi creatures,

>according to a german program guide it is planned to erect a wax

figure of

KW in

>the London waxworks of Madame Tussaud. No joke, it really has been

published

>here (Germany). Maybe you should take this with a grain of salt anyway.

I've

>tried to translate this little article:

>Lonely stature

>Thanks to box office hit she has become a national heroine, to be

admired

>London waxworks of Madame Tussaud, soon. Nevertheless, "Titanic" fans

are

>confused: "What about Leo DiCaprio?". Further particulars from the

manager's

>office:

>"One wax figur costs about 300 000 DM (approx. 187 500 US$).

Therefore, we

can't

>erect every person!"

>Besides, Leo is not british...

>Can anyone confirm or deny this?

>Frank

>--

>'... although we may not be alone in the universe, in our own separate

> ways, on this planet, we are all...alone.'

> (3x20: Jose Chung's 'From Outer Space')

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From: StarScully@aol.com

Subject: Re: Is it Just Me?

Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:51:41 EDT

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<< how did you come to see HC? What led

you to it? >>

I saw the preview for it on E! when they show new movies coming out and

I also

saw it as previews at the movie. That was like 2 years ago or

something, but

I didn't get around to seeing it until last year.

*janel*

my dark victory

http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Village/8279/

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