I had a most interesting time
Ray: If you put the right fuel in, you have better results for the vehicle.
It's the same thing with the human body. If the human body has the best fuel
available, it has the best capability of performing as it was designed to perform.
After we had been involved with our product line for some time,
we ended up having one of our products put into the form of a
Gummi-Bear by the Henry Heide Company; the same people that do
Gummi-Bears, and we started getting letters from moms saying,
“My kid’s learning better, and my kid’s a better person behaviorally.
Is it possible that your Gummi-Bears have something to do with that?”
Well, that’s nothing more than anecdotal testimonial, but that led to
a Psychiatrist, an M.D. by the name of Kathryn Dykman in Arkansas
doing some work on our product on some of her patients.
And her husband’s also a Ph.D. in Psychology and he was involved in it as well.
And we have had her published now in in a peer review paper that says there
is some benefit from eatin' vegetables an' having glyco-proteins available to
the system that are not normally in a child's diet. We are of the conviction
that an awful lot of Learning Disabilities and Behavioral Disabilities
are because of Window #2.
It's because of the fast food generation that our kids have become.
(laughing)
And even if we give our kids "balanced diets,” we have different definitions
of balanced diets. In Texas, I think a “balanced diet” is ah, chicken fried steak,
french fries, etc. People are not givin’ their kids at home good balanced diets.
An’ vegetables are indeed lacking in the diets of all of us.
And even if you do consume vegetables, we’re nuke’n ‘em;
we’re destroying a lot of the nutrients in the process.
We don’t allow our vegetables to grow to full maturity.
We’re green-harvesting. So a lot of the phyto-nutrients that are
beneficial to health - are not in our foodstuffs. So, if you make sure
those foods are there, an’ provide them in a supplement form,
we’re seeing terrific benefits.
Judy: Something else I thought was interesting the last time I heard
you talking - you had a comment about left brain vs. right brain
dominance and a lack or imbalance there. Can you talk about that a little bit?
Ray: Yes. Most of us, genetically, have a preponderance to use
one side of our brain more than the other. Those are called
parasympathetic an’ sympathetic nervous systems. And there are
ways that you can discern if you are a left-brain dominant or a
right-brain dominant, or balanced, and how extensive those
dominations are. Those are our metabolic types. An’ our
metabolic types request different kinds and amounts of nutrients.
Your need for carbohydrates vs. Mine may be completely different,
dependent on our metabolic types. That’s what I was referring to.
An’ that comes out of a very extensive study done in and around Dallas
by a Dr. Kelly over a 30-year time frame with many test subjects; where
he discerned very definitively the different types of nutrients that
they needed according to their metabolic type.
Judy: I guess that answers it! I was just wondering - a lot of
the people who are going to be looking at this, ah, and you know,
learning from this information, they want to know answers about
what happens in the brain.
Ray: I’m not a brain specialist. If you get me beyond my level
of expertise I’m just going to say I don’t know! I’m a biologist
and a chemist, and we don’t get depth, an’ I don’t have an
advanced degree. You can get that from Dr. Kathryn Dykman. She’s
the medical doctor in Psychiatry.
Judy: Okay, that would be good.....
Ray: Yeah. And her clinical trials are what’s important to you.
She’d be glad to have you interview her.
Judy: Okay, I’d like that!
(breaking out in a grateful grin)
OK..... You had talked a lot about chemistry things going on
in the body and I thought maybe I could get some answers here for that too
(about the brain).
(another nervous little laugh)
Ray: That’s completely different from brain dominance an’ what’s
going on in the brain. That may or may not have a thing to do
with ADD or ADHD. I don’t know that. Dr. Dykman might.
Judy: OK. You know a lot that doctors don’t know, however.
Ray: That’s true. But they know a lot that I don’t know. When
it comes to the brain, I don’t claim to have any expertise.
Judy: OK; (laughing) FAIR!
Ray: OK. I don’t know what MINE’s doin’.
(Ray utters a faint "y’know")
In fact, I’m proof positive that you can be successful in life
an’ not even be all conscious!
(Ray smiled on this and I had a pretty good laugh; then we're both laughing.)
Judy: Yeah, and the doctors I heard (at the 1997 ADDA Conference),
even the top doctors working in Attention Deficits, they still don’t know
the cause of it; and so on. So I’m going to be looking for some
pointers there,..... and maybe she can..... (brief pause)
point me there.
(more laughing - I'm SO easily amused.....!)
Ray: Right.
Judy: OK; that would be good.
Ray: What causes Scurvy?
Judy: (I knew this one right away) Oh, that’s a vitamin deficiency.
Ray: It’s a deficiency. Absolutely. An’ it’s just like I said
a minute ago. Maladies have a nutritional deficiency component.
It’s part of it. So, according to Dr. Dykman’s study, there’s
a deficiency in nutrients with kids that have ADD-ADHD; because
she supplied them with nutrients from our products and they had improvement.**
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It may not be the total answer, but there’s a component.
There’s a nutritional deficiency component that’s causing people - not just kids,
but people on all levels for their capabilities to think, an’ to stick with a thought,
to have any kind of retention, there’s definitely a nutritional involvement.
I think we’re on the periphery in this area, an’ I think that Dr.
Dykman’s study definitely took us in the right direction.
Judy: Oh, I think so too. A lot of people are back and forth between
nutrition and medication for this. And a lot of them wonder about medications
and side effects. And ah, it’s been stated all over the place that every
medication has side effects, and there’s no hiding from that. And the nutritional
approach so far, I think personally that it has been kind of a stab in the dark at it.
Ray interjected here that the particular study he has referred to is NOT to say that it
was definitively either the phyto-nutrients OR the glyco-nutrients that caused improvement.
Both were given; and were given under controlled circumstances, and were compared with
medication and without medication, but not compared against each-other.
Ray: I think we’re still a stab in the dark. Nutrition. But we’re seeing improvement.
That’s what’s important. So, like I said, I think we’re still on the periphery in this area.
Y’know, obviously, we got lots of letters from parents saying, “Is it
possible that my kids are eating those Gummi-Bears with vegetables in them an’
their learning capabilities are improving, an’ their behavioral attitudes are improving.”
And Dr. Dykman did that study which showed that yeah - they were improving.
But how definitive is that? How much of it was the cell-to-cell communication because of
the glyco-nutrients, and how much of it was because of the phyto-chemicals from the vegetables.
I think that remains to be studied yet. And I think there is a need for medication in many cases too.
I think that we need to honor this new philosophy of complimentary health care.
Where all forms of health discipline are working together with each other to make sure
that combinations are what we’re using, or one discipline.
It’s just like ah, the health practices admitting they’re “practicing!”
An’ we need to be open to other things, an’ nutrition is the area that
we’re startin’ to say, “Look at this. Look at this.”
And when you’re first introducin’ somethin’ like this, you’re many, many years
away from the scientific community saying, “That’s definitive.”
Judy: Mm-hm.
(I'm a little delayed getting a thought all the way OUT sometimes,
even though it registers.....)
Oh - yeah; yeh.
Ray: That’s the protocol we’re going to follow. An’ so we’re still at the
beginning - but it’s an exciting beginning! Especially for a mom who
had a child with ADD, an’ you’re seeing the results. But we’re at a beginning
nobody else has ever been in. Nobody else has done a nutritional study like ours -
that I’m aware of, that shows how kids with ADD-ADHD are havin’ improvement with nutrients.
Judy: OK; that’s several answers that I think a lot of people
are going to be very interested in. The medication, complimentary with the nutrients.
Ray: Absolutely. In many cases they’re both required. They both have a part in it.
Judy: Yes. Because lots of people have tried the “alternatives,”
and have been very variable with the results.
Ray: And vice-versa.
Judy: Oh - yeah!
(We're both in agreement)
And the same with medications, right.
There’s no ONE that works for ALL of them.
Ray: Yeh. I think you need to be open to all different possibilities.
Judy: I think that’s really important.
Ray: I think an awful lot of kids are having poor performance in a lot of areas
because we’re not exercising any more. I think there’s a need for exercise.
I think there’s a need for good water, for good rest. There’s a lot of things our kids
are not getting. I think there’s a need for love. I think there’s a need for parenting
that in many cases is just not there now. All of those things put together is what’s
gonna give us optimal health, optimal performance. Not just the young person; but all of us.
Judy: That’s good; that’s good.
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