Geraniaceae to identify

		N° 22: Unknown Greek Geranium Photos & description :Allan Robinson, UK
Has anybody any idea of the identity of this Geranium. It was growing at 1400 metres in the area of the N. Peloponnese. (G.subcaulescens would normally be found at roughly 2000 metres). The colour range of the flowers is from pale pink to white, usually with veining in a deeper pink. Height of flower stems is normally up to 15cms. Thanks, Allan Robinson. krystalpig@hotmail.co.uk

			Update 23.11.2008 Photos & text :Allan Robinson, UK
When this Geranium was first noticed by ourselves only two or three plants were visible under a Pine tree with just one flower showing. This was about the middle of July in 2000, we were not looking for anything in particular and were surprised to find a few odd plants of a Geranium in the cinereum group at such a low altitude. Some years went past and we decided to revisit the site during the second week of June last year (2007). To our amazement the whole ridge was alive with plants in flower, growing from full sun to areas of some shade, it did not seem to matter. We did some serious thinking to try and understand what was happening but our conclusion seemed preposterous at the time. This year we returned during the first week of June (2008) to find only about one third of flowering plants that we had encountered the previous year. Then our eyes started to focus on the surrounding rocks and all was revealed. The remaining plants had started into summer dormancy and were in various stages of disappearing. By the middle of July, the rocks would be bare with no clue to the fact that a few thousand Geraniums lived there. All the attached photos were taken within a few minutes of each other on the 5th June, 2008.

Pelargonium australe?

N°5: A Swedish page. Three pictures and notes available.

(Suggested by Ingrid Brundin, Sweden )

Sydney Reed, UK: Yes, the photos show one of the best forms of P. australe from Tasmania, with red stems and red on underside of leaf. This species has many forms. (11.9.2008)

	N° 21: Pelargonium Photo : Anita Schweig-Bourg , Luxembourg
Geraniaceae Group Meeting, London, April 2007* : "Possibly P. sidoides, but background too confused with the plant."

		N° 20: Pelargonium Photos & description :James Stevens, UK
Deciduous tuberous species given to me labelled as pinnatum ! Tuber woody like section polyactium, leaves slightly furry, flowers not yet seen.
Geraniaceae Group Meeting, London, April 2007*: "Possibly P. antidysentericum. Everyone asked to see the flowers !"

N° 19: Pelargonium

Photos & description :James Stevens, UK

A non succulent scrambling species brought as australe but flowers much smaller than descriptions suggest (no more than 10mm across). Slightly furry leaves and woody stem base

		N° 18: Pelargonium Photos Judith Crutcher, San Francisco, USA
Dear Pelargonium Experts, Am hoping you can help identify this plant. Am enclosing some digital record photography of a rare pelargonium I grew from seed. I sent for the seeds through the IGS, which has an affiliation with the Seed Savers. Took 3 years for it to bloom (which may have been my fault?). It has a woody root network, with occasional smooth, oblong, rust-colored tubers that look like seaweed floats, and goes dormant in the fall. I much admire the lacy patterns of the stiff leaves. And the tiny waxy flowers have a gardenia-like scent. Judith Crutcher
Re - Anita Bergdahl, Sweden : " My suggestion is Pelargonium triste, section Polyactium."
Geraniaceae Group Meeting, London, April 2007*: "Members thought this was a form of P. triste, rather a nice form with white flowers blotched purple on all 5 petals...the tubers "fits" also.. Is the scent strongest in early evening?"

N° 17: Pelargonium

Photos Anita Bergdahl, Sweden

Notes from Anita Bergdahl, Sweden: this past Summer (2004) I bought this plant that was supposed to be a "P. x glauciifolium" , but I very soon discovered it was not named correctly.

N° 16: Geranium

Photo Richard Brown, UK

Notes from Richard Brown, UK: This Geranium was bought in 2001 as G. hispidissimum. It appears to be very close to G. sinense, although the colour is much lighter, and the leaves are rougher to the touch and more hairy than G. sinense. It starts to flower in early July and prefers semi-shade

Geraniaceae Group Meeting, London, April 2007 *: "This looks like one of the many hybrid forms of G. x reflexum. A pity no leaf was shown nor stem."

N° 15: Pelargonium

(quite abundant right by the road side East of Clanwilliam, RSA)

Photos Philippe Blais, Montreal, Canada

Re- Marisa Amadio, Italy : I think it is P. scabrum.

Geraniaceae Group Meeting, London, April 2007*: members agree, it is probably P. scabrum.

N° 13: Pelargonium

Plant photographed West of Clanwilliam, South Africa.

Photos Philippe Blais, Montreal, Canada

Re: Jochen Beyenbach, Germany, suggests it is P. alternans

Geraniaceae Group Meeting, London, April 2007 *: members agree, it is probably P. alternans

	N° 12: Pelargonium Photos Philippe Blais, Montreal, Canada
Plant photographed right near the Namaqualand coast, South Africa, in late October.
Re - Jochen Beyenbach, Germany : it is P. fulgidum, the "malva"
Geraniaceae Group Meeting, London, April 2007*: members agree, it is P. fulgidum

		N°11: Geranium seedling (seed from Barry Grandpierre, Australia) Photos Hans J. Kuus, Denmark
Re - Mark Smith, Northern Ireland : this plant is probably Geranium asphodeloides (22/09/2003)
Geraniaceae Group Meeting, London, April 2007*: members agree, it is probably G. asphodeloides

N°10: Geranium

Photos Mark Smyth , N. Ireland

Mark Smyth notes : "The growth is the same as wallichianums but the flower is very different.The stems easily scramble up through other plants and the flowering period is from spring right through to now..." (7 november 2001)

Geraniaceae Group Meeting, London, April 2007 *: probably G. wallichianum. This species varies a lot in habitat"

N°9: Geranium sp. collected in Kirgisien in 1999

Plant 10-15 cm high, flowers about 5 cm across

Photos Hans J. Kuus, Denmark

Dr. Peter Yeo( England) has identified this Geranium sp. as Geranium regelii ( from Geraniaceae Group News, Issue 87, November 2002)

	The answer came from Rein ten Klooster : this is E.tordylioides. E.mouretii is also involved, because of the close relation with E.tordylioides. Reference: Geranium Family Species Check List, part 1, Erodium, compiled by R.Clifton, The Geraniaceae Group, 1993 Photo Rein ten Klooster, The Netherlands, 51Kb
	Geraniaceae Group Meeting, London, April 2007*: members agree with Rein ten Klooster.

N° 7: Pelargonium sp lorriesfontein ?

Great caudex and a very small flower (5 mm at the widest).From Arid Lands Greenhouses.

Photos Peter J. Liekkio, USA

Re- Jochen Beyenbach, Germany : the flowers look like P. rotundipetalum in Section Otidia (a form of P. carnosum)

Geraniaceae Group Meeting, London, April 2007*: members agree with Jochen Beyenbach, but "there are other members with an odd sect Otidia plant with a large basal tuber that doubt this identification. The Otidia monograph of 1990 points out that basal swellings are known to occur in some species but may be environmentally controlled..."

N°6: Pelargonium karooicum ?

The flower is 35mm accross at the widest. It doesn't match the description in "Pelargoniums of Southern Africa". From Arid Lands Greenhouses.

Photo Peter J. Liekkio, USA, 22 Kb

The answer came from Jean Pierre Damion, France, with two pictures :

" It is Pelargonium praemorsum subsp speciosum. This subspecies has a very limited distribution, north of the Richtersveld (RSA) near Khubus. Reference: S. Afr.J. Bot., 1990, 56(3):285-302 "Taxonomic Revision of Pelargonium section Jenkinsonia (Geraniaceae) in Southern Africa, A.G.Schelterma and J.J.A. van der Walt, Department of Botany, University of Stellenbosch, 7600 RSA."

Photos: P. praemorsum subsp speciosum and P. praemorsum subsp praemorsum, photographed at Stellenbosch by Jean Pierre Damion

Pelargonium australe?

N°5: A Swedish page. Three pictures and notes available.

(Suggested by Ingrid Brundin, Sweden )

Sydney Reed, UK: Yes, the photos show one of the best forms of P. australe from Tasmania, with red stems and red on underside of leaf. This species has many forms.

N° 4: Geranium

From Kaichen Nursery, Beijing, China.

Photos Richard Riedy, NM, USA

Marisa Amadio, Italy: actually the note about the source of the plant came with the pictures in August 2000, but it was published only this July 2007. Blame the webmaster!

	N°3: Pelargonium Photo Rik de Backer, Belgium, 22 Kb
Re - Anita Andersson, Sweden: I think it could be a white flowered form of Pelargonium grandiflorum.(1-12-2003)
Geraniaceae Group Meeting, London, April 2007*: members agree with Anita Andersson. Syd Reed adds: "The flower colour (of P. grandiflorum) can vary with growing conditions. My own plant have white to a deep pink as they also darken with age of the flower"

	N°2: Pelargonium sect. Hoarea Photo Allan Burns, UK, 29 Kb
Re- Peter B.Phillipson, France : it looks like P. sidoides Re- Anita Andersson, Sweden : I think it is Pelargonium auritum, section Hoarea (1-12-2003)
Geraniaceae Group Meeting, London, April 2007*: members agree with Anita Andersson, probably it is P. auritum

N° 1: Pelargonium sect. Hoarea grown from seed on the seedlist 1994/95, No.122, MV6852

Photos Richard Riedy, NM, USA

	N° 24: Pelargonium Photo : Anita Schweig-Bourg , Luxembourg
Re - Christophe Bligny, France : Pelargonium lobatum (8 May 2008)

	N° 23: Pelargonium Photo : Anita Schweig-Bourg , Luxembourg
Re - Christophe Bligny, France : Pelargonium acetosum (8 May 2008)