From - Tue May 05 19:47:17 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01484; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:00:05 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id TAA09986; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08409; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:58:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199805052258.RAA08409@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: Re: Our OWN tools? To: drg@pgh.org (Dr.G) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:58:18 -0500 (CDT) Cc: prozak@anus.com, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: from "Dr.G" at May 5, 98 10:14:04 am From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 1122 If no one else is willing, I can help you out weither with majordomo, or with sendmail aliases. But perhaps Dave knows majordomo better. igor r.G wrote: > > On Mon, 4 May 1998, Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 20:42:46 -0700 > > From: Spinoza Ray Prozak > > To: Igor Chudov > > Cc: "Dr.G" , hipcrime@mobsters.com, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, > > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > > hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org > > Subject: Re: REPLY/URGENT: Hacks List--The Guantlet Has Been Thrown Down!!! > > > > howdy, > > > > >I think that majordomo is better than just a sendmail alias. > > > > > >Otherwise it is hard to filter mail. > > > > Let's build custom tools! -- No one knows how to work 'em but us and we > > can put in the functionality we need. > > > > SRP > > > > That is an excellent idea, but who has the time to do that? > > Anybody that has can assess the pgh.org main address at pghmain > > -JG > - Igor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Tue May 05 19:47:15 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00789; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:56:00 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id SAA09451; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08365; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:56:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199805052256.RAA08365@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: Re: BeroList To: drg@pgh.org (Dr.G) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:55:59 -0500 (CDT) Cc: ichudov@Algebra.Com, hipcrime@mobsters.com, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: from "Dr.G" at May 5, 98 10:11:23 am From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 601 Dr.G wrote: > On Mon, 4 May 1998, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > > > ... HipCrime > > > 10-4 Hipcrime. > > > > > > You know, with a list like this, maybe we do not even > > > NEED any majordomo. > > > > I think that majordomo is better than just a sendmail alias. > > > > Otherwise it is hard to filter mail. > > Have you ever heard of BeroList? > > It is supposedly easier to install that majordomo. > > Actually, a listserver is LESS secure than manual > filtering functions. Never heard of beroList, but majordomo can be made reasonably secure. Dave? - Igor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Tue May 05 19:47:14 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA21621; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:29:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:29:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: hacks@pgh.org Subject: Subject: grendel9 In-Reply-To: <354F0EB4.6CD7@alt.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=------------15D33661403 Content-ID: X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 Content-Length: 658 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --------------15D33661403 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-ID: On Tue, 5 May 1998, Dr. Zeus wrote: > Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 09:05:56 -0400 > From: "Dr. Zeus" > To: drg@pgh.org > Subject: grendel9 > > Is this grendel9 wireinfo/iMp or > > IRSAgent/APL ? > I think that grendel9 is APL, correct? --------------15D33661403-- From - Tue May 05 19:47:13 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA20999; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:24:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:24:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "A. M. Salim" cc: hacks@pgh.org Subject: Re: majordomo/BeroList In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 474 On Tue, 5 May 1998, A. M. Salim wrote: > Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:17:31 -0400 (EDT) > From: "A. M. Salim" > To: "Dr.G" > Subject: Re: majordomo > > > Hi, > (re: BeroList) > > I have never heard of that, but any listserver will do. > > Do you have that in stock? > > I have placed a copy in /tmp/BeroList-2.3.5.tar.gz > > regards > Mike > 10-4. I will have some of my hacks check it out. Thanks, -John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Tue May 05 19:47:12 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA20477; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:21:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:21:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: DSA Computers cc: sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: hidden addresses In-Reply-To: <199805050502.WAA07703@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 Content-Length: 885 On Mon, 4 May 1998, Dave Hayes wrote: > Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 22:02:28 -0700 > From: Dave Hayes > To: Igor Chudov > Cc: "Dr.G" , hipcrime@mobsters.com, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: REPLY/URGENT: Hacks List--The Guantlet Has Been Thrown Down!!! > > Igor Chudov @ home writes: > > I think that majordomo is better than just a sendmail alias. > > Otherwise it is hard to filter mail. > > I think also that a well-configured majordomo alias hides all the > addresses above. Yes, but do we want them to always be hidden? And the pgh.org location already makes them sort of hidden, to an uneducated reader. Like, do you know who 835 is? -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Tue May 05 19:47:10 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA19974; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:17:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:17:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "Igor Chudov @ home" cc: hipcrime@mobsters.com, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Subject: hacks.net In-Reply-To: <199805050422.XAA00523@manifold.algebra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 Content-Length: 1356 On Mon, 4 May 1998, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:22:43 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" > To: Spinoza Ray Prozak > Cc: ichudov@Algebra.Com, drg@pgh.org, hipcrime@mobsters.com, sp@pgh.org, > 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, > goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, > clown@pgh.org > Subject: Re: REPLY/URGENT: Hacks List--The Guantlet Has Been Thrown > > Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > > >I think that majordomo is better than just a sendmail alias. > > >Otherwise it is hard to filter mail. > > > > Let's build custom tools! -- No one knows how to work 'em but us and we > > can put in the functionality we need. > > You know, what I would like to see is an added header like > > X-Mailing-List: hacks@pgh.org, or something. > > This _can_ be done with sendmail alias, HipCrime, witness my > /etc/aliases entries for adding X-No-Archive: yes and posting to > mail2news@anon.lcs.mit.edu: > > mail2news: "|/usr/bin/formail -I 'X-No-Archive: yes' | /usr/lib/sendmail mail2news_real" > mail2news_real: mail2news@anon.lcs.mit.edu,ichudov@www.video-collage.com > > - Igor. I just set up hacks.net and all mail to that address will be initialy forwarded to hacks@pgh.org -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Tue May 05 19:47:09 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA19517; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:14:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:14:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: Spinoza Ray Prozak cc: sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Subject: Our OWN tools? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980504204025.00dd7844@paranoia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 Content-Length: 883 On Mon, 4 May 1998, Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 20:42:46 -0700 > From: Spinoza Ray Prozak > To: Igor Chudov > Cc: "Dr.G" , hipcrime@mobsters.com, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org > Subject: Re: REPLY/URGENT: Hacks List--The Guantlet Has Been Thrown Down!!! > > howdy, > > >I think that majordomo is better than just a sendmail alias. > > > >Otherwise it is hard to filter mail. > > Let's build custom tools! -- No one knows how to work 'em but us and we > can put in the functionality we need. > > SRP > That is an excellent idea, but who has the time to do that? Anybody that has can assess the pgh.org main address at pghmain -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Tue May 05 19:47:08 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA19112; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:11:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:11:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "Igor Chudov @ home" cc: hipcrime@mobsters.com, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Subject: BeroList In-Reply-To: <199805042330.SAA29553@manifold.algebra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 Content-Length: 1203 On Mon, 4 May 1998, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 18:30:29 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: hipcrime@mobsters.com, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, > al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org > Subject: Re: REPLY/URGENT: Hacks List--The Guantlet Has Been Thrown Down!!! > > Dr.G wrote: > > > From: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com" > > > > > > Hi Hacks ... > > > > > > Y'all can count me in on this one. > > > Will setup a Dejanews posting account > > > from my PGH.ORG box today (so as to be > > > ready when the time comes). > > > > > > ... HipCrime > > > > > > > 10-4 Hipcrime. > > > > You know, with a list like this, maybe we do not even > > NEED any majordomo. > > I think that majordomo is better than just a sendmail alias. > > Otherwise it is hard to filter mail. > > - Igor. > Have you ever heard of BeroList? It is supposedly easier to install that majordomo. Actually, a listserver is LESS secure than manual filtering functions. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Tue May 05 19:47:06 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA18140; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:02:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:02:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: Spinoza Ray Prozak cc: "S.P." , rob@chop.isca.uiowa.edu, ric@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, al@pgh.org Subject: hacks.net/netabuse.org domain In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980504152832.017042dc@paranoia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 Content-Length: 1242 On Mon, 4 May 1998, Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > > howdy, > > > > Dave Hayes NETABUSE4-DOM > 2460 N. Lake Ave Suite 131 > Altadena, CA 91001 > US > > Domain Name: NETABUSE.ORG > > Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: > Hayes, Dave DH791 dave@JETCAFE.ORG > (626) 797-0740 > Billing Contact: > Hayes, Dave DH791 dave@JETCAFE.ORG > (626) 797-0740 > > Record last updated on 03-May-98. > Record created on 03-May-98. > Database last updated on 4-May-98 03:37:36 EDT. > > Domain servers in listed order: > > KACHINA.JETCAFE.ORG 205.147.43.2 > HOOLIGAN.JETCAFE.ORG 205.147.43.29 > > > now all we need is DrG's machine to make it to altadena, a net connection, > and we can start handing out telnet accounts for $10/month. > I thought it was going to Austin, but if Dave wants it out there, that is fine. With Telnet, it matters not where it is. > take care, > EVIL I did not know that Dave wanted to use that netabuse.org for us hacks. I checked on it, and hack.com hack.net hack.org hacks.com hacks.org are all GONE, so I just had my virtual admin man pick up hacks.net -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Tue May 05 19:47:05 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA17545; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:57:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:57:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: Spinoza Ray Prozak cc: "S.P." , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Subject: security In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980504153132.0077fb00@paranoia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 Content-Length: 1132 On Mon, 4 May 1998, Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 15:32:52 -0700 > From: Spinoza Ray Prozak > To: "S.P." > Cc: Albert Krall , "Dr.G" , > "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com" , > 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, > dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, > scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org > Subject: Re: REPLY/URGENT: Hacks List--The Guantlet Has Been Thrown Down!!! > > howdy, > > seems to me it's dependent on several factors: > > (1) Security of people on list. I have personally spoken with everyone except Neil, igor and Hipcrime. > (2) Security of machine pgh.org They have tried many times, but I do not believe that anybody has ever hacked in. Mike Salim is very security conscious, since this is a research domain upstream. > (3) No unfriendly faces at upstream providers to backbone > check out localweb.com and see if there is anybody upstream that you find questionable. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Tue May 05 19:47:04 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA14322; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:35:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:35:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , rob@chop.isca.uiowa.edu, ric@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, al@pgh.org Subject: Re: netabuse.org domain In-Reply-To: <354E4410.3BF0@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 634 On Mon, 4 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 15:41:20 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , rob@chop.isca.uiowa.edu, > ric@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, al@pgh.org > Subject: netabuse.org domain > > Dr.G wrote: > > > > How about NETABUSE.ORG? > > > > > > > I'll check on it. > > Ask Dave about that domain, Dr. G, as I think Steve or Dave said > something about Dave wanting to reserve that domain. The cabal will > turn red when they see Dave's name on the Whois. > Dave already bought the domain. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Tue May 05 19:47:02 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13891; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:32:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:32:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Subject: Infiltration/Re: REPLY/URGENT: Hacks List--The Guantlet *** In-Reply-To: <354E4338.3FA1@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 Content-Length: 1017 On Mon, 4 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 15:37:44 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: Albert Krall > Cc: "Dr.G" , > "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com" , > 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, > dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, > scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org > Subject: Re: REPLY/URGENT: Hacks List--The Guantlet Has Been Thrown Down!!! > > I'll second that reply--also, I agree with clown, Dr. G, that this list > would be THE list the cabal would LOVE to infiltrate--and clown says > that we might not need a majordomo to keep it secure. > > SP > I think it would be very difficult to infiltrate this list, since they are all pgh.org addresses. wireinfo and APL are not on the list, because they have not responded. > > Albert Krall wrote: > > > > OK Here's your reply,for all younz guys. > > (chop) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Tue May 05 19:47:01 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13049; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:27:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:27:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: sysop@pgh.org Subject: guy suing Dimitri In-Reply-To: <354E4216.63F2@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 Content-Length: 267 On Mon, 4 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > You might mention to Dimitri that Guy Polis is bragging that he is suing > him--not that a person of Vulis' status should give a damn. I will send him a copy of this. -JG ps: Dimitri, drop me a note if you get this bcc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Tue May 05 19:47:00 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA12473; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:24:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:24:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: Dave Hayes , ISP_Ratings , boursy@pgh.org Subject: Re: Proposed pgh posting party In-Reply-To: <354E4154.4F87@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 1014 On Mon, 4 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 15:29:40 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: Dave Hayes , ISP_Ratings , > boursy@pgh.org > Subject: Proposed pgh posting party > > Dr.G wrote: > > > Now I did get them to unblock the other pgh.org addresses, > > so try and post under dave@pgh.org and see if it goes through. > > > > Steve, you can try the same thing and see if your address goes > > through. I think the only ones blocked right now are: > > Just don't do it until at least Steve and the rest of us can gang bang > the groups from our pgh.org addresses--so we can have a laugh on the > censors, who are bragging that they killed the whole domain. Hipcrime > and Spinoza are up for a posting party, Steve. Dr. G, please wait to > post from pgh.org until Steve tells us what he wants to do. I love a > good joke--especially on anti-spammers/censors. > > SP > 10-4; cue Steve... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Tue May 05 19:46:58 1998 Return-Path: boursy@earthlink.net Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA16374 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:02:44 -0400 Received: from prosac (1Cust131.tnt5.bos2.da.uu.net [208.254.20.131]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA25568 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 04:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805051102.EAA25568@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: boursy@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 07:03:40 -0400 To: "S.P." From: ISP_Ratings Subject: Re: Texas Net In-Reply-To: <354EB544.539C@pgh.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 1582 S.P. wrote: > >Steve, > > I see you are kicking some ass here in Austin over Texas.net. It is a >pleasure to discover what I always thought--that you would find a great >deal of support outside of the cabal strongholds. We love you down here >in Texas, and I'm looking forward to helping everyone get netabuse.org >up. Well Texas has some very nice people--good recruiting ground by the way--several of the posters would do nicely in the news.admin.* arena. > However, this Sam bastard is starting to agravate me. I don't know, >Steve. I want to flame the bastard--but that will only make the >situation worse. He is stalking everyone of your posts--trying to get >people to not read you. It isn't working. I never read him--but I note two things about him. Like you pointed out before he must have some type of alarm set up because he follows up on my posts obsessively usually within less than an hour after I send them off--day and night. That's an extreme obsession or someone being paid. The other thing is that he doesn't crosspost in general to the relevant groups--for example he'll take out the texas groups on the thread in Texas to stay on secure turf meaning he's very insecure and quite afraid of being flamed. So flame away--just crosspost the shit out of him. He's worth his weight in gold--seriously--I almost feel like I should be paying him. I'm way behind in email and life in general so excuse time lags. Didn't want to let the Austin thing slip. Steve > > SP > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Tue May 05 20:07:01 1998 Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (hokkshideh.jetcafe.org [205.147.43.4]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11413 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 20:10:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost) by hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with internal id RAA25889; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:10:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Message-Id: <199805060010.RAA25889@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="RAA25889.894413428/hokkshideh.jetcafe.org" Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 Content-Length: 5533 This is a MIME-encapsulated message --RAA25889.894413428/hokkshideh.jetcafe.org The original message was received at Tue, 5 May 1998 17:10:27 -0700 (PDT) from kachina.jetcafe.org [205.147.43.2] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "| /home/dave/bin/morgaine" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Cannot fork 554 "| /home/dave/bin/morgaine"... unknown mailer error 2 --RAA25889.894413428/hokkshideh.jetcafe.org Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; hokkshideh.jetcafe.org Received-From-MTA: DNS; kachina.jetcafe.org Arrival-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Final-Recipient: RFC822; X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; | /home/dave/bin/morgaine@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:10:27 -0700 (PDT) --RAA25889.894413428/hokkshideh.jetcafe.org Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: <> Received: from kachina.jetcafe.org (kachina.jetcafe.org [205.147.43.2]) by hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA25888 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www3.localweb.com (root@www3.localweb.com [204.69.248.195]) by kachina.jetcafe.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA19220 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ts004d08.aus-tx.concentric.net (ts004d08.aus-tx.concentric.net [206.173.144.92]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA11277; Tue, 5 May 1998 20:09:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www3.localweb.com: ts004d08.aus-tx.concentric.net [206.173.144.92] didn't use HELO protocol Message-ID: <354FD389.241C@pgh.org> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 20:05:45 -0700 From: "S.P." X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dr.G" CC: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Subject: Rich Tietjens attack on Dave Hayes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hacks, None of us have thin skins, but, as I have probably lost more accounts than anyone for using language far less offensive than this post by Rich Tietjens, I am starting to grow more angry at this double-standard that exists. Steve has mentioned that Sam is either being paid to flame him on USENET, or that he is alerted to Steve's posts, for every time Steve posts, we have determined, Sam begins posting within 10 minutes to an hour. This has been going on for months, and indicates that our opponents have some kind of organization to flame any Freedom Knight no matter what they post, in an effort to discourage follow-ups from newbies or lurkers. Tietjens can say whatever he wants--he is one of the biggest assholes on USENET. However, I am growing tired of seeing these cabal flame artists getting away with what they are doing. Therefore, lets not hesitate to flame Tietjens, Guy Polis and Sam whenever we see them flaming a Freedom Knight, and always stand up for each other no matter what, so that for every flame they make, we flame back--but in a scolding way, so that we stay above personal attacks. I send this post along to you all. There is no reason on earth for Tietjens outburst--he can say what he wants--but his bullshit will no longer go unanswered once I begin posting from Dejanews next week with the S.P.@pgh.org address. SP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From - Tue May 05 19:53:42 1998 Path: news!global-news-master!newsfeed.concentric.net!ais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!ixa.net!news.aa.net!127.0.0.1!riogrande From: use@reply-to.header (Rich Tietjens, Secret Master of the Internet Cabal) Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.net-abuse.email,news.admin.censorship Subject: Re: Do We Really Hate Each Other? Followup-To: poster Date: Sat, 02 May 98 06:22:08 GMT Organization: Society for Promulgation of Cruelty to the Clueless Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6iee2g$18k_006@riogrande.spambusters> References: <6i8pke$5qm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <3548ACFD.9DFDD9AC@nohost.not> <3549A0CE.364A1725@jetcafe.org> Reply-To: secret_cabal@hothotmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.157.220.249 X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 X-From: luzers@adahm.e-scrub.com X-No-Archive: Maybe X-Fraud: d_troy@spnt.com X-Moron: the_shadow@spnt.com X-Sock-Puppet: m_munroe@yahoo.com X-Stupid-Terri-Suckup: ryan8800@aol.com X-Kook-Taunt: For a good time forward all your spam to freedom-knights@jetcafe.org Cache-Post-Path: slave3.aa.net!unknown@208.129.193.185 Xref: news news.admin.censorship:59918 news.admin.net-abuse.email:203674 news.admin.net-abuse.usenet:113876 In article <3549A0CE.364A1725@jetcafe.org>, Dave Hayes wrote: > >You've answered the first, but not the second. Go to Hell, troll-boy. You talk a great talk, but all you stand for is theft, theft, and fraud. Did I remember to tell you to go to Hell? Oh, and fuck off and die, while you're at it, shit-for-brains. -- Secret Master of the Cabal (There Is Now a Cabal) "NOBODY expects the SPAMMISH INQUISITION!" - James Cooley --RAA25889.894413428/hokkshideh.jetcafe.org-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 11:34:40 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA08451; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:06:09 -0400 Received: from satan (p14.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.29]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA00154; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:05:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980505205357.00c5ab00@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:05:05 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: security Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , "S.P." , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 1817 howdy, >> seems to me it's dependent on several factors: >> >> (1) Security of people on list. > >I have personally spoken with everyone except Neil, igor >and Hipcrime. Thank you for your verifications. You treat me better than any woman I've ever met. >> (2) Security of machine pgh.org > >They have tried many times, but I do not believe that anybody >has ever hacked in. Mike Salim is very security conscious, >since this is a research domain upstream. If you trust him, he's probably a great guy. Do you all have SSH running? That's the easiest way to prevent most attacks since the passwords are unprotected in transit with telnet. >> (3) No unfriendly faces at upstream providers to backbone > >check out localweb.com and see if there is anybody >upstream that you find questionable. Unfortunately, I don't have a complainers database to compare against. Or I would - if you've checked it out, I think your judgment is sound. HEIL GRUBOR, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 11:34:47 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA08543; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:06:43 -0400 Received: from satan (p14.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.29]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA00183; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:05:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980505210008.0068af6c@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:05:24 -0700 To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: REPLY/URGENT: Hacks List--The Guantlet Has Been Thrown Cc: prozak@anus.com (Spinoza Ray Prozak), ichudov@Algebra.Com, drg@pgh.org, hipcrime@mobsters.com, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1470 howdy, >> Let's build custom tools! -- No one knows how to work 'em but us and we >> can put in the functionality we need. > >You know, what I would like to see is an added header like > >X-Mailing-List: hacks@pgh.org, or something. > >This _can_ be done with sendmail alias, HipCrime, witness my >/etc/aliases entries for adding X-No-Archive: yes and posting to >mail2news@anon.lcs.mit.edu: > >mail2news: "|/usr/bin/formail -I 'X-No-Archive: yes' | /usr/lib/sendmail mail2news_real" >mail2news_real: mail2news@anon.lcs.mit.edu,ichudov@www.video-collage.com That's a cool piece of work - filed away somewhere. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 11:34:45 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA08520; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:06:31 -0400 Received: from satan (p14.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.29]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA00178; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:05:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980505205906.00c64f2c@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:05:19 -0700 To: Dave Hayes From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: REPLY/URGENT: Hacks List--The Guantlet Has Been Thrown Down!!! Cc: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov), drg@pgh.org (Dr.G), hipcrime@mobsters.com, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 1029 howdy, >I think also that a well-configured majordomo alias hides all the >addresses above. Seems there's plenty of ways to do it and we're only dealing with individual comfort zones. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 11:34:44 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA08430; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:06:02 -0400 Received: from satan (p14.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.29]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA00129; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:05:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980505205039.00c5d69c@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:04:58 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Our OWN tools? Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 1500 howdy, >> >I think that majordomo is better than just a sendmail alias. >> > >> >Otherwise it is hard to filter mail. >> >> Let's build custom tools! -- No one knows how to work 'em but us and we >> can put in the functionality we need. > >That is an excellent idea, but who has the time to do that? > >Anybody that has can assess the pgh.org main address at pghmain We have the talent, we have the balls, and we're spending time on this anyway. If not us, the rest of the net is silent in resignation, beaten down. Hails to the people who make life worthwhile no matter what those trapped in small-mindedness throw at them - you rule! take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 11:34:42 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA08437; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:06:05 -0400 Received: from satan (p14.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.29]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA29999; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:05:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980505204456.00a79938@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:04:50 -0700 To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Our OWN tools? Cc: drg@pgh.org (Dr.G), prozak@anus.com, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 1289 howdy, >If no one else is willing, I can help you out weither with majordomo, or >with sendmail aliases. But perhaps Dave knows majordomo better. We should reserve you for war command. I know the tools I'd spec out with you to create a forum for pure havoc on the Internet. Also, everytime I see the name of your firm I fall over laughing, almost literally. take care, SRP "The best revenge is living well" - and - "Hope is a weapon" ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 11:34:38 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA08439; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:06:06 -0400 Received: from satan (p14.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.29]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA00135; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:05:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980505205210.00c3fb38@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:05:01 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: hacks.net/netabuse.org domain Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , "S.P." , rob@chop.isca.uiowa.edu, ric@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, al@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 1749 howdy, >> now all we need is DrG's machine to make it to altadena, a net connection, >> and we can start handing out telnet accounts for $10/month. > >I thought it was going to Austin, but if Dave wants it out there, >that is fine. With Telnet, it matters not where it is. I agree. And SSH is even cooler (highly recommended). >I did not know that Dave wanted to use that netabuse.org >for us hacks. I checked on it, and > >hack.com >hack.net >hack.org >hacks.com >hacks.org > >are all GONE, so I just had my >virtual admin man pick up hacks.net Very smart as well - both are prime real estate and you will be rewarded. I can't speak for Dave's plans but I'm glad he's got that domain, and laugh at the T.I.N.C.L. folks for being too oblivious to grab it. Ever notice we do all the interesting stuff and they follow us around fighting over our droppings? No honor in that. take care, EVIL ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 11:34:36 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01284; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:11:26 -0400 Received: from satan (p14.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.119]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA17251; Tue, 5 May 1998 20:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980505200925.0172b4b4@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 20:10:20 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Rich Tietjens attack on Dave Hayes Cc: "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 4449 I think Rich's real problem is he's an unimaginative fuck. Shit, any of the warez kiddies could have come up with something better. The best way to counter this is to start up a SUPPORT DAVE HAYES thread. DrG, any ideas on that login? Can you drop me your dialup script if the data doesn't verify? take care, SRP At 08:05 PM 5/5/98 -0700, S.P. wrote: >Hacks, > > None of us have thin skins, but, as I have probably lost more >accounts than anyone for using language far less offensive than this >post by Rich Tietjens, I am starting to grow more angry at this >double-standard that exists. > > Steve has mentioned that Sam is either being paid to flame him on >USENET, or that he is alerted to Steve's posts, for every time Steve >posts, we have determined, Sam begins posting within 10 minutes to an >hour. This has been going on for months, and indicates that our >opponents have some kind of organization to flame any Freedom Knight no >matter what they post, in an effort to discourage follow-ups from >newbies or lurkers. > > Tietjens can say whatever he wants--he is one of the biggest assholes >on USENET. However, I am growing tired of seeing these cabal flame >artists getting away with what they are doing. Therefore, lets not >hesitate to flame Tietjens, Guy Polis and Sam whenever we see them >flaming a Freedom Knight, and always stand up for each other no matter >what, so that for every flame they make, we flame back--but in a >scolding way, so that we stay above personal attacks. > > I send this post along to you all. There is no reason on earth for >Tietjens outburst--he can say what he wants--but his bullshit will no >longer go unanswered once I begin posting from Dejanews next week with >the S.P.@pgh.org address. > > SP > >------------------------------- >>From - Tue May 05 19:53:42 1998 >Path: >news!global-news-master!newsfeed.concentric.net!ais.net!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!ixa.net!news.aa.net!127.0.0.1!riogrande >From: use@reply-to.header (Rich Tietjens, Secret Master of the Internet >Cabal) >Newsgroups: >news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.net-abuse.email,news.admin.censorship >Subject: Re: Do We Really Hate Each Other? >Followup-To: poster >Date: Sat, 02 May 98 06:22:08 GMT >Organization: Society for Promulgation of Cruelty to the Clueless >Lines: 19 >Message-ID: <6iee2g$18k_006@riogrande.spambusters> >References: <6i8pke$5qm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> ><3548ACFD.9DFDD9AC@nohost.not> <3549A0CE.364A1725@jetcafe.org> >Reply-To: secret_cabal@hothotmail.com >NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.157.220.249 >X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 >X-From: luzers@adahm.e-scrub.com >X-No-Archive: Maybe >X-Fraud: d_troy@spnt.com >X-Moron: the_shadow@spnt.com >X-Sock-Puppet: m_munroe@yahoo.com >X-Stupid-Terri-Suckup: ryan8800@aol.com >X-Kook-Taunt: For a good time forward all your spam to >freedom-knights@jetcafe.org >Cache-Post-Path: slave3.aa.net!unknown@208.129.193.185 >Xref: news news.admin.censorship:59918 news.admin.net-abuse.email:203674 >news.admin.net-abuse.usenet:113876 > >In article <3549A0CE.364A1725@jetcafe.org>, Dave Hayes > wrote: >> >>You've answered the first, but not the second. > >Go to Hell, troll-boy. > >You talk a great talk, but all you stand for is theft, theft, and fraud. > >Did I remember to tell you to go to Hell? > >Oh, and fuck off and die, while you're at it, shit-for-brains. > > > > >-- >Secret Master of the Cabal (There Is Now a Cabal) >"NOBODY expects the SPAMMISH INQUISITION!" - James Cooley > > ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 11:34:48 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA09809; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:20:05 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id AAA08731; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA10708; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:19:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199805060419.XAA10708@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: security, pgp encrypted list To: prozak@anus.com (Spinoza Ray Prozak) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:19:13 -0500 (CDT) Cc: drg@pgh.org, prozak@anus.com, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980505205357.00c5ab00@paranoia.com> from "Spinoza Ray Prozak" at May 5, 98 09:05:05 pm From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1106 Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > >> (2) Security of machine pgh.org > > > >They have tried many times, but I do not believe that anybody > >has ever hacked in. Mike Salim is very security conscious, > >since this is a research domain upstream. > > If you trust him, he's probably a great guy. Do you all have SSH running? > That's the easiest way to prevent most attacks since the passwords are > unprotected in transit with telnet. Folks, computer security is an oxymoron. Kind of like "military intelligence" or "government help". It does not exist. If one tries hard enough they will get there. And, if one wants to read the lists' email, they can do it by breaking into one of the readers' computers or their relay hosts, not necessarily into pgh.org. So security of pgh.org is an integral thing. In fact, I have written software that supports a PGP-encrypted mailing list -- messages there go encrypted by the list's public key, and get sent out encrypted by the individual users' keys. This is somewhat more secure. But it may be an overkill in this case. - Igor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 11:34:50 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA26260; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:08:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:08:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com Reply-To: "Dr.G" To: clown@pgh.org cc: sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Dave?/Re: BeroList In-Reply-To: <199805052256.RAA08365@manifold.algebra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 Content-Length: 1125 DUPLICATE ADDRESSES removed. On Tue, 5 May 1998, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:55:59 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: ichudov@Algebra.Com, hipcrime@mobsters.com, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org > Subject: Re: BeroList > > Dr.G wrote: > > On Mon, 4 May 1998, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > > > > ... HipCrime > > > > 10-4 Hipcrime. > > > > > > > > You know, with a list like this, maybe we do not even > > > > NEED any majordomo. > > > > > > I think that majordomo is better than just a sendmail alias. > > > > > > Otherwise it is hard to filter mail. > > > > Have you ever heard of BeroList? > > > > It is supposedly easier to install that majordomo. > > > > Actually, a listserver is LESS secure than manual > > filtering functions. > > Never heard of beroList, but majordomo can be made reasonably secure. > > Dave? > ... > > - Igor. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 11:34:51 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA26768; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:13:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:13:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: clown@pgh.org cc: sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org Subject: Re: Our OWN tools? In-Reply-To: <199805052258.RAA08409@manifold.algebra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 870 On Tue, 5 May 1998, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:58:18 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: prozak@anus.com, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, > scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Our OWN tools? > > If no one else is willing, I can help you out weither with majordomo, or > with sendmail aliases. But perhaps Dave knows majordomo better. > > igor > Dave may be too busy to even read his email. I am still interested in seeing what this berolist is, also, since it is already available here at localweb.com Now just what so you mean by sendmail aliases? sendmail is an old-fashioned nightmare, if you can tell anythning by the thickness of the book. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 11:34:52 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA27213; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:16:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:16:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Subject: Re: Rich Tietjens attack on Dave Hayes In-Reply-To: <354FD389.241C@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 3811 On Tue, 5 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 20:05:45 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, > dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, > scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org > Subject: Rich Tietjens attack on Dave Hayes > > Hacks, > > None of us have thin skins, but, as I have probably lost more > accounts than anyone for using language far less offensive than this > post by Rich Tietjens, I am starting to grow more angry at this > double-standard that exists. > > Steve has mentioned that Sam is either being paid to flame him on > USENET, or that he is alerted to Steve's posts, for every time Steve > posts, we have determined, Sam begins posting within 10 minutes to an > hour. This has been going on for months, and indicates that our > opponents have some kind of organization to flame any Freedom Knight no > matter what they post, in an effort to discourage follow-ups from > newbies or lurkers. > > Tietjens can say whatever he wants--he is one of the biggest assholes > on USENET. However, I am growing tired of seeing these cabal flame > artists getting away with what they are doing. Therefore, lets not > hesitate to flame Tietjens, Guy Polis and Sam whenever we see them > flaming a Freedom Knight, and always stand up for each other no matter > what, so that for every flame they make, we flame back--but in a > scolding way, so that we stay above personal attacks. > > I send this post along to you all. There is no reason on earth for > Tietjens outburst--he can say what he wants--but his bullshit will no > longer go unanswered once I begin posting from Dejanews next week with > the S.P.@pgh.org address. > > SP > KOOL! Just let us know when to start; I will not post anything from any pgh.org address until then. -JG > ------------------------------- > >From - Tue May 05 19:53:42 1998 > Path: > news!global-news-master!newsfeed.concentric.net!ais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!ixa.net!news.aa.net!127.0.0.1!riogrande > From: use@reply-to.header (Rich Tietjens, Secret Master of the Internet > Cabal) > Newsgroups: > news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.net-abuse.email,news.admin.censorship > Subject: Re: Do We Really Hate Each Other? > Followup-To: poster > Date: Sat, 02 May 98 06:22:08 GMT > Organization: Society for Promulgation of Cruelty to the Clueless > Lines: 19 > Message-ID: <6iee2g$18k_006@riogrande.spambusters> > References: <6i8pke$5qm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> > <3548ACFD.9DFDD9AC@nohost.not> <3549A0CE.364A1725@jetcafe.org> > Reply-To: secret_cabal@hothotmail.com > NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.157.220.249 > X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 > X-From: luzers@adahm.e-scrub.com > X-No-Archive: Maybe > X-Fraud: d_troy@spnt.com > X-Moron: the_shadow@spnt.com > X-Sock-Puppet: m_munroe@yahoo.com > X-Stupid-Terri-Suckup: ryan8800@aol.com > X-Kook-Taunt: For a good time forward all your spam to > freedom-knights@jetcafe.org > Cache-Post-Path: slave3.aa.net!unknown@208.129.193.185 > Xref: news news.admin.censorship:59918 news.admin.net-abuse.email:203674 > news.admin.net-abuse.usenet:113876 > > In article <3549A0CE.364A1725@jetcafe.org>, Dave Hayes > wrote: > > > >You've answered the first, but not the second. > > Go to Hell, troll-boy. > > You talk a great talk, but all you stand for is theft, theft, and fraud. > > Did I remember to tell you to go to Hell? > > Oh, and fuck off and die, while you're at it, shit-for-brains. > > > > > -- > Secret Master of the Cabal (There Is Now a Cabal) > "NOBODY expects the SPAMMISH INQUISITION!" - James Cooley > From - Wed May 06 11:34:54 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA29380; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:32:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:32:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: Spinoza Ray Prozak cc: "S.P." , rob@chop.isca.uiowa.edu, ric@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, al@pgh.org Subject: SSH?/Re: hacks.net/netabuse.org domain In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980505205210.00c3fb38@paranoia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 Content-Length: 766 On Tue, 5 May 1998, Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:05:01 -0700 > From: Spinoza Ray Prozak > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , "S.P." , > rob@chop.isca.uiowa.edu, ric@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, > dave@jetcafe.org, al@pgh.org > Subject: Re: hacks.net/netabuse.org domain > > howdy, > > >> now all we need is DrG's machine to make it to altadena, a net connection, > >> and we can start handing out telnet accounts for $10/month. > > > >I thought it was going to Austin, but if Dave wants it out there, > >that is fine. With Telnet, it matters not where it is. > > I agree. And SSH is even cooler (highly recommended). > er, what is SSH? -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 11:34:56 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA32352; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:42:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:42:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "Igor Chudov @ home" cc: sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: security, pgp encrypted list In-Reply-To: <199805060419.XAA10708@manifold.algebra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 1830 On Tue, 5 May 1998, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:19:13 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" > To: Spinoza Ray Prozak > Cc: drg@pgh.org, prozak@anus.com, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, > al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org > Subject: security, pgp encrypted list > > Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > > >> (2) Security of machine pgh.org > > > > > >They have tried many times, but I do not believe that anybody > > >has ever hacked in. Mike Salim is very security conscious, > > >since this is a research domain upstream. > > > > If you trust him, he's probably a great guy. Do you all have SSH running? > > That's the easiest way to prevent most attacks since the passwords are > > unprotected in transit with telnet. > > Folks, computer security is an oxymoron. Kind of like "military > intelligence" or "government help". It does not exist. > > If one tries hard enough they will get there. > > And, if one wants to read the lists' email, they can do it by breaking > into one of the readers' computers or their relay hosts, not necessarily > into pgh.org. So security of pgh.org is an integral thing. > > In fact, I have written software that supports a PGP-encrypted > mailing list -- messages there go encrypted by the list's public key, > and get sent out encrypted by the individual users' keys. This is somewhat > more secure. > > But it may be an overkill in this case. > > - Igor. > You may be right, because the only ones who would try to break into our list would be the cabal assholes like guy or Sam or Skirvin, and I do not think that any of them have the hacking ability to do that. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 11:34:57 1998 Return-Path: pghmain@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (pghmain@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA04077; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:14:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:14:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "pgh.org admin" X-Sender: pghmain@www3.localweb.com To: 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, drg@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Subject: Re: Welcome to dr-science In-Reply-To: <199805051112.EAA31467@listserv.direct.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 3408 Did any of you guys sign up this address for this dr-science list? You are all welcome to use this admin address at any time. The password is the same as it has always been. More than one person can telnet in here at once, and when that hapens, the first login changes to "read only" -JG On Tue, 5 May 1998 Majordomo@listserv.direct.net wrote: > Return-Path: doc@listserv.direct.net > Received: from listserv.direct.net (listserv.direct.net [165.247.1.12]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA16603 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:06:12 -0400 > Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by listserv.direct.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) > id EAA31467; Tue, 5 May 1998 04:12:10 -0700 > Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 04:12:10 -0700 > Message-Id: <199805051112.EAA31467@listserv.direct.net> > To: pghmain@pgh.org > From: Majordomo@listserv.direct.net > Subject: Welcome to dr-science > Reply-To: Majordomo@listserv.direct.net > > -- > > Welcome to the dr-science mailing list! > > Please save this message for future reference. 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While you're there, also visit the Dr. Science archive of past > questions and leave your query or comment for the Doctor. > > Thanks for signing up. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 11:35:00 1998 Return-Path: pghmain@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (pghmain@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA04551; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:18:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:18:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "pgh.org admin" X-Sender: pghmain@www3.localweb.com To: hacks@pgh.org cc: sysop@pgh.org Subject: in-stock BeroList In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 Content-Length: 430 If anybody wants to see Berolist, Mike Salim has a copy here. -JG On Tue, 5 May 1998, Dr.G wrote: > > Hi, > > > (re: BeroList) > > > > I have never heard of that, but any listserver will do. > > > Do you have that in stock? > > > > I have placed a copy in /tmp/BeroList-2.3.5.tar.gz > > > > regards > > Mike > > > > 10-4. I will have some of my hacks check it out. > > Thanks, > > -John > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 16:43:08 1998 Return-Path: dave@jetcafe.org Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (hokkshideh.jetcafe.org [205.147.43.4]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08633; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:45:24 -0400 Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16298; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805062045.NAA16298@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Dr.G" Cc: clown@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Dave?/Re: BeroList Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 13:45:46 -0700 From: Dave Hayes X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 511 G writes: >> Never heard of beroList, but majordomo can be made reasonably secure. >> Dave? I've never heard of berolist either. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< Freedom Knight of Usenet - (NEW!) http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet One of the big differences between questions and answers is that a question may be asked at almost any time, but its answer may come at a special time and place. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 20:23:43 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA17008; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:44:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:44:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com Reply-To: "Dr.G" To: "S.P." cc: dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Steve Boursy--Master of USENET--strikes again. In-Reply-To: <3550F7D0.2082@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 1127 On Wed, 6 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 16:52:49 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: dave@jetcafe.org > Cc: "Dr.G" , clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, > al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Steve Boursy--Master of USENET--strikes again. > > Hacks, > > Here is a post from Henrietta Thomas, who Steve has been engaging with > in responsible debate. The post has to do with the Chris > Lewis@sodomy.org non-forgeries. Also, I have about had it with this Guy > Polis character, and might bait him into a flamewar if possible, as he > is now calling this very good woman a "kook", just because she acts with > decency towards Steve and outs Guy Polis on a regular basis. > > SP Henrietta has been around for a long time, and I think she is about 56 or 57 now. But Steve would still fuck her, since she is friendly, right Steve? {;-) Her being called a kook is a misnomer, since she has argued with us for years. BTW, are we the kooks, or are they? -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 20:23:47 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA30294; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:32:00 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id TAA23076; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18725; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:30:42 -0500 Message-Id: <199805062330.SAA18725@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: Re: Chain of Command To: sp@pgh.org (S.P.) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 18:30:41 -0500 (CDT) Cc: prozak@anus.com, ichudov@Algebra.Com, drg@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: <3550B143.2AF0@pgh.org> from "S.P." at May 6, 98 11:51:47 am From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 1055 S.P. wrote: > Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > > >If no one else is willing, I can help you out weither with majordomo, or > > >with sendmail aliases. But perhaps Dave knows majordomo better. > > We should reserve you for war command. I know the tools I'd spec out with > > you to create a forum for pure havoc on the Internet. Also, everytime I > > see the name of your firm I fall over laughing, almost literally. > > Yes, Spinoza, I agree. There needs to be a chain of command. Once the > net-abuse.org site is going strong, there will probably be times major > corporate ISPs need to be bitch-slapped, and it will require the > extraodinary talents of the greatest hacks in the underground to teach > the corrupt bastards a lesson, and to bring them to the table, to stop > whatever abuse they committed that brought about the attacks. I like writing Assault Software (TM,Ignoramus Chewed-Off), and let everyone use it. You are welcome to be my users, but eventually I will make it public so that anyone can use it too. - Igor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 20:23:49 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA30609; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:35:52 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id TAA23618; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18761; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:32:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199805062332.SAA18761@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: Re: security, pgp encrypted list To: sp@pgh.org (S.P.) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 18:32:52 -0500 (CDT) Cc: ichudov@Algebra.Com, prozak@anus.com, drg@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: <3550B3B1.12E6@pgh.org> from "S.P." at May 6, 98 12:02:09 pm From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 687 S.P. wrote: > Yes, and encryption should be used when discussing the most sensitive > issues. We can also, eventually, create a separate list for the hacks, > and actually allow a cabal infiltrator to think they have snuck in, and > then use this insecure list to disinform our opponents, and even to set > them up. An idea that is nice in theory, but you will blow it in practice with a 80% probability. > The fewer people that know about a serious attack, the better for all. > Therefore, only those hacks most intimately involved should have all the > details, for everyone's protection. Remember that secrecy can be used for manipulating members too. - Igor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 20:23:50 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA30981; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:39:53 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id TAA23658; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18879; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:38:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199805062338.SAA18879@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: Re: Our OWN tools? To: drg@pgh.org (Dr.G) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 18:38:17 -0500 (CDT) Cc: clown@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: from "Dr.G" at May 6, 98 09:13:34 am From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 488 Dr.G wrote: > Dave may be too busy to even read his email. > > I am still interested in seeing what this berolist is, also, > since it is already available here at localweb.com > > Now just what so you mean by sendmail aliases? > sendmail is an old-fashioned nightmare, if you > can tell anythning by the thickness of the book. > Sendmail aliases are easy. unlike the whole sendmail. Kinds like being able to change windshield wipers on a complicated car. - Igor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 20:23:44 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA28320; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:11:45 -0400 Newsgroups: news.admin.censorship,alt.wired,austin.internet,alt.censorship,alt.webgod,alt.fan.doctor,dfw.internet.providers,houston.internet.providers,alt.god.grubor Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:11:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: Star Traveler cc: hacks@pgh.org Subject: Re: Censorous Vermin in Texas Was: TROUBLE MAKERS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <6i5ls6$hkr$1@excalibur.flash.net> <354fd6da.3812445@news.alt.net> <6iibc1$258_002@news.mindspring.com> <6iifdc$2hp@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 5343 On Tue, 5 May 1998, Star Traveler wrote: > Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:43:29 -0700 > From: Star Traveler > Newsgroups: news.admin.censorship, austin.internet, alt.censorship, > dfw.internet.providers, houston.internet.providers, alt.god.grubor > Subject: Re: Censorous Vermin in Texas Was: TROUBLE MAKERS > > In article , > efoster@draper.com (Ed Foster) wrote: > This Ed Foster is a perverted fool who has been chasing Steve Boursy for years. He has NO credibility whatsoever. > > In article , > > aldeberan@alt.net (Star Traveler) wrote: > > > > > >I suppose you would have been there in the "Wild West" days wanting > > >everyone who opposed criminal activity and who wanted rights preserved, > > >along with some semblance of order -- to also "quantify" their efforts. > > >I say forget about "quantifying" anything and oppose what is wrong. > > >Period. And don't forget -- "raising awareness" is something that is > > >extremely important. Others can probably provide you with the > > >"quantifiable figures." > > > > > > Shooting off his mouth and issuing empty threats that he never carries out > > is not the way to "raise awareness." Steve has at various times > > threatened to put up the net.scum page on his AOL account, shut down the > > next ISP in Massachusetts that pulled an account because of content, and > > sue IDT for cancelling his account. He has done none of the above. He > > has done nothing except make a lot of noise. Steve has been "raising > > awareness", others would say raising noise, for several years now and, > > other than a few kooks, NO ONE CARES. The vast majority of usenet readers > > appreciate the efforts of Chris Lewis and others who keep spam out of > > newsgroups so we can find the articles we want to read without having to > > weed through a lot of dreck. The reason you see so few people supporting > > Steve is the majority of people oppose what he's trying to do. Of those, > > most ignore him, but a few of us like to taunt him and rub his nose in his > > total ineffectiveness. > > > > Well, I wouldn't say that no one cares about the free speech issues and > the idea of pulling the plug on someone without due process. I've got a > phone line in which I can have "due process", if I want (through the > Public Utilities Commission) and get my "day in court" if I disagree with > something that the phone company does. If ISPs are to be considered common > carriers -- then they should take lessons from the phone companies, before > the phone companies simply take over the ISP business in the long run, > because the ISPs don't know about "due process" like the phone companies > do. > > As far as his "effectiveness" -- I can think of many issues in history in > which movements and ideas were strongly opposed and many said they were > accomplishing nothing. If history has ever taught people anything, it is > that dedicated and persistent people can accomplish much, when an issue > has the seeds of truth to it. And in this particular case, free speech and > "due process" are all the "seeds of truth" needed to make this succeed. > > > > > > >How long did it take to bring some semblance of order to the Wild West? > > >How long is it going to take for the Net? Who knows. > > > > > > The problem is that it's Boursy and other kooks, who crosspost to a dozen > > or more newsgroups, most of which are inappropriate and whose readers have > > requested that he stop, that are the problem and are responsible for the > > lack of a "semblance of order" in usenet. > > > > I believe it was Thomas Jefferson that said something like "the sea of > liberty is seldom without waves" (a close paraphrase, and it was from one > of the founding fathers). This is a classic "sea of liberty" issue if > there ever was one. And you're going to see lots of waves on it. So, > tranquility isn't necessrily the sign of a good position. > > > > > > > > But, I don't think > > >anyone should ever quit opposing the trampling of free speech rights, > > >crooked ISPs (along with other related consumer and net issues). > > > > > > That's why so many continue to oppose and expose Steve Boursy. In case > > you didn't know Steve made his internet reputation by trying to silence an > > opponent (Barry Perlman) in a rent control debate by harrassing Barry's > > employer. Steve is a censor wannabe, pure scum, as he would put it. > > > > I couldn't tell you how he made his reputation and I'll leave that up to > Steve Boursy to give his view of the circumstances. I'm sure he's capable > of that. > > But I can tell you that he is definitely on the right side of the issue > here -- on the side of free speech and on the side of due process (as > opposed to reckless "plug pullers"). And, for me, what counts -- at this > moment -- is to be on the "right side" for these issues, in the "here and > now." > Steve Boursy has been singlehandedly kicking the cabal's ass for YEARS, and that is why they call him the "MASTER of Usenet." Ed Foster has always been a coward and a fool. He will not even answer when I call him. -DrG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 17:38:16 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA14167; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:22:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:22:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: Dave Hayes cc: clown@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Dave?/Re: BeroList In-Reply-To: <199805062045.NAA16298@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 802 On Wed, 6 May 1998, Dave Hayes wrote: > Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 13:45:46 -0700 > From: Dave Hayes > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: clown@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Dave?/Re: BeroList > > G writes: > >> Never heard of beroList, but majordomo can be made reasonably secure. > >> Dave? > > I've never heard of berolist either. I have it here in the shell. Do you want me to send you a copy by attached file? Or you can just log on at pghmain and take a look for yourself. It is in the /tmp file. -JG ps: wireinfo/imp is coming on board the list. anybody have any objection to him? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed May 06 17:38:18 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA14284; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:23:17 -0400 Received: from satan (p05.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.20]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA05816; Wed, 6 May 1998 14:22:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980506141615.00cdf110@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 14:22:14 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Steve Boursy--Master of USENET--strikes again. Cc: dave@jetcafe.org, "Dr.G" , clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 5350 howdy, well thought sir - I commend the cultivation of fragmentation through logic/reason in the ranks of the disenchanted. > Here is a post from Henrietta Thomas, who Steve has been engaging with >in responsible debate. The post has to do with the Chris >Lewis@sodomy.org non-forgeries. Also, I have about had it with this Guy >Polis character, and might bait him into a flamewar if possible, as he >is now calling this very good woman a "kook", just because she acts with >decency towards Steve and outs Guy Polis on a regular basis. > > SP > >--- >>From - Wed May 06 16:47:15 1998 >Path: >news!global-news-master!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.n et!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink. net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.241.0.194!news.wwa.com!not-f or-mail >From: hkt@wwa.com (Henrietta Thomas) >Newsgroups: >news.admin.censorship,alt.forgery,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,alt.politics. datahighway,news.admin.net-abuse.misc >Subject: An Apology to Steve Boursy >Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet >Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:26:54 GMT >Organization: WorldWide Access - Midwestern Internet Services - >www.wwa.com >Lines: 68 >Message-ID: <354f426d.2414887@news.wwa.com> >References: ><354b568e.890608@news.wwa.com> <19980502181954.3784.qmail@dpinc.ml.org> ><354b7957.2070782@news.wwa.com> <19980502201005.5505.qmail@dpinc.ml.org> ><354b91d8.8343821@news.wwa.com> <3558e68e.7832815@news.alt.net> ><354c9b2a.1201923@news.wwa.com> > ><354d00aa.5513920@news.wwa.com> >NNTP-Posting-Host: poolf8-025.wwa.com >X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 >Xref: news news.admin.net-abuse.misc:229365 >alt.politics.datahighway:30420 news.admin.net-abuse.usenet:113934 >alt.forgery:4363 news.admin.censorship:59937 > >In news.admin.net-abuse.usenet on Mon, 04 May 1998 00:00:01 GMT, >hkt@wwa.com (Henrietta Thomas) wrote: > >>In news.admin.net-abuse.usenet on Sun, 3 May 1998 14:34:44 -0400, >>1boursy@earthlink.net (}ISP_Ratings}) wrote: >> >>>Henrietta Thomas wrote... >>>: >>>:_boursy@alt.net (_ISP Ratings) wrote: >>>: >>>:: Do you really believe the clewis articles where posted >>>::by me Henrietta? Honestly? >>>: >>>:No, but judging by the way you were defending them, >>> >>> Defending them in what context? >> >>That the "handle" was legitimate, and there might really be >>someone with a legitimate address of clewis@sodomy.org. >> >>>:I'm reasonably certain you know who did -- most likely >>>:Dimitri Vulis. >>> >>> You have this thing about Dr. Vulis Henrietta--ever >>>since the Great Russian Flame Wars. What evidence >>>do you have to suggest it was him--or is this merely >>>speculation based on personal anamosity? >> >>His usual modus operandi. He recently posted an article >>in soc.culture.russian (which was subsequently forwarded >>over here to nana.usenet) containing a list of Nortel contacts >>for people to complain about Chris Lewis. So I figured the >>sodomy.org thing must be another attempt to get Chris Lewis >>into trouble with his employer. > >I received an email advising that (a) Steve Boursy honestly >*didn't* know who did the clewis@sodomy.org articles, and >(b) it wasn't Dimitri Vulis. If true, then I owe Steve Boursy >an apology for my remarks above. > >I went back and looked at the lone sodomy.org post I have >left. There are three clues which point to Vulis: > >(a) the strong text in the body of the message, >(b) the Reply-To line pointing to abuse@nortel.ca, >(c) the Organization: line, which says Indignant Resentful Spamfighters. >Plus, I have already mentioned that Dimitri posted an article intended >to >harass Chris Lewis in soc.culture.russian. > >These are valid reasons to suspect Dimitri Vulis of being the >author of the post from sodomy.org. But some Vulis trademarks >are missing, including but not limited to, the fact that the article >was not crossposted to either news.admin.censorship or >soc.culture.russian. > >I am still not willing to rule Dimitri out as the author of the >sodomy.org articles, but am no longer as sure as I was >before. It does appear, however, that I wrongly accused >Steve Boursy of knowing about the whole thing. And, for >that, I think I should apologize. > >Followups to nana.usenet. > >Henrietta Thomas >hkt@wwa.com > > ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 02:51:40 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA14981; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:05:17 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id VAA05601; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19894; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:43:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199805070143.UAA19894@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: Re: Who the Kooks Are To: sp@pgh.org (S.P.) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 20:43:29 -0500 (CDT) Cc: drg@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: <35512ED9.569E@pgh.org> from "S.P." at May 6, 98 08:47:37 pm From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 539 S.P. wrote: > None of us are kooks, IMO. Not you nor Lewis, or anyone. The cabal > applies the term "kook" much like racist applied the word "nigger" or > Nam vets applied the word "gook" to their enemies. In college, a > retired US Armey Colonel spoke to our class about his opposition to > abortion. He drew an analogy between the US Soldiers, who called their > enemies "gook", and the abortion-rights activists, who called an unborn > child a "fetus". Wrong, Kook is not a derogatory term but just a noun. - Igor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 02:51:47 1998 Return-Path: dave@jetcafe.org Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (hokkshideh.jetcafe.org [205.147.43.4]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA02915; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:13:50 -0400 Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26162; Wed, 6 May 1998 23:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805070614.XAA26162@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) Cc: sp@pgh.org (S.P.), drg@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Who the Kooks Are Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 23:14:08 -0700 From: Dave Hayes X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 541 Igor Chudov @ home writes: > Wrong, Kook is not a derogatory term but just a noun. Eh? "Noun" is a superset of "derogatory term". "Kook" is certainly -used- in the same fashion. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< Freedom Knight of Usenet - (NEW!) http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet "War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left." -Confucious ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 02:51:41 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA23997; Wed, 6 May 1998 23:32:58 -0400 Message-Id: <199805070332.XAA23997@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 78394 via TCP with SMTP; Wed, 06 May 1998 22:24:11 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International" To: "S.P." , "Spinoza Ray Prozak" Cc: "Igor Chudov" , "Dr.G" , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: Re: Chain of Command Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:04:59 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 3433 Hi Hacks ... Tend to agree with the idea that the list should be PGP'd. Once we start any kind of "attacks", the law enforcement people will start trying to locate us. It has happened to me before, and we fully expect it to happen again. Complainers love to call the police. Many of them wish deeply that there was some kind of viable net-police. Just in case we decide to move towards PGP, my public key is attached below. ... HipCrime -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 4.5 mQENAjPqvjAAAAEIALaO6hnsezccNr+Ood/83PNsS39+93l9YVN01xRALN/uX4wj NrZhKXpe/ERCj2grHr1ey4QoxYKgiJZpHmfOu4oMoq834JWGSIL5ft151qA18IRM S/ZQ0bDAurhXE77wClXOGcY/8Zqe9H8Ah5GLbvLtAtrE5U+YGgB0BMHYbcwD/o+7 E9U7jkBvm/v/e4V9HxI6KWrjAtPhgW01vZ3XHdrlppKoLeREyHKFMjQtg6VTN/Bp L7f8OfNzrd265nMW5upT1AR2gha7LsKpfUFiLJ5A45ONdD4LwJSY8z4UgU2+lj36 lyy5ifmcqN9FmMIAN/LG2EjWFYlpcAn99KB14D8ABRO0DXJlaGpyQHVzYS5uZXS0 HXIuZS5oYWxsLCBqci4gPHJlaGpyQHVzYS5uZXQ+iQEVAgUQNAI+BHAJ/fSgdeA/ AQEdigf9EJ6uDDMM+8umpG0ZJx3XPymX06dmwfH8ePReKqdV22iaOofmiD7LS/JF R99EN4vl72SItyDiAHHgW5HnhIrUQ0AQDVAMerPSFA/eSK03mtcodEh7InrjKX9E HETyLdXwJLtRwxaerFKXJpNrrRbBJ/c7vQq3YFZfUHqB7NNiyk5kofSlP/Ljo326 YHkzo8WBX6cJn8L2Co7kDS3vwCPAvRumCLr+/3L5jjj2C60UZ1eLo+taRgWft4t/ 6DVxE2iKAmigbqzXxLpc5UBEkGNKAuEzgQMhyD5LesYd5RzHsWz7nzKjQpzJQxgu x7MAqCN4nHsYJfbC3Kf356Ifoi31h7QMci5lLmhhbGwsanIu =jsZN -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ---------- > From: S.P. > To: Spinoza Ray Prozak > Cc: Igor Chudov ; Dr.G ; 007@pgh.org; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; hipcrime@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org; clown@pgh.org > Subject: Chain of Command > Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 12:21 AM > > Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > > > > howdy, > > > > >If no one else is willing, I can help you out weither with majordomo, or > > >with sendmail aliases. But perhaps Dave knows majordomo better. > > > > We should reserve you for war command. I know the tools I'd spec out with > > you to create a forum for pure havoc on the Internet. Also, everytime I > > see the name of your firm I fall over laughing, almost literally. > > Yes, Spinoza, I agree. There needs to be a chain of command. Once the > net-abuse.org site is going strong, there will probably be times major > corporate ISPs need to be bitch-slapped, and it will require the > extraodinary talents of the greatest hacks in the underground to teach > the corrupt bastards a lesson, and to bring them to the table, to stop > whatever abuse they committed that brought about the attacks. > > The chain of command should also communicate instructions using > encryption, so there are no security leaks, and only those hacks > involved in the actual attacks should know about the attack (after > discussing the issues with the larger group), and in this way, more > protection can be afforded to the revolutionaries who dare to take on > powerful but corrupt corporations abusing the on-line community. > > And there should be no direct link to Dave Hayes, probably, as in the > future, when attacks are conducted against abusive institutions, we can > be sure that private investigators and law enforcement will be trying to > infiltrate this list, which, if it receives the support of all hacks, > will be targeted by such corrupt individuals. > > SP > > > SRP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 02:51:44 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA26394; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:00:26 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id AAA18458; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21251; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:55:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199805070355.WAA21251@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: Re: Chain of Command To: hipcrime@mobsters.com Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:55:43 -0500 (CDT) Cc: sp@pgh.org, prozak@anus.com, ichudov@Algebra.Com, drg@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: <199805070332.XAA23997@www3.localweb.com> from "HipCrime International" at May 6, 98 10:04:59 pm From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1531 HipCrime International wrote: > > Hi Hacks ... > > Tend to agree with the idea that the list should be PGP'd. > Once we start any kind of "attacks", the law enforcement > people will start trying to locate us. It has happened to > me before, and we fully expect it to happen again. > > Complainers love to call the police. Many of them wish > deeply that there was some kind of viable net-police. Lots of people of all kinds love to call the police. > Just in case we decide to move towards PGP, my public key > is attached below. The move to pgp-ing the list would involve 1) installing software for the list 2) installing pgp for every member 3) training every member (not necessarily a trivial task) 4) members entering passphrases (mine is rather lengthy) every time they see a message There is a real cost to all this (esp. 4), especially visible to the members who get paid hourly. Is it worth it? I would rather establish a separate list for high security discussions. Eg, bullshitting about relative merits of AK vs an AR-15 should not be pgp-ed. Stuff which, if disclosed, would cause trouble for list members, should be sent through a high security mailing list. (and then perhaps you would not want to see me on it, which means you would not trust my pgp mailing list program) Then again, human potential to make errors would make it worthless. To be secure, every list member should be an accurate and paranoid person, which is not the case here. - Igor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 02:51:45 1998 Return-Path: dave@jetcafe.org Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (hokkshideh.jetcafe.org [205.147.43.4]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA02756; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:11:43 -0400 Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26114; Wed, 6 May 1998 23:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805070612.XAA26114@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "HipCrime International" Cc: "S.P." , "Spinoza Ray Prozak" , "Igor Chudov" , "Dr.G" , 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Subject: Re: Chain of Command Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 23:12:00 -0700 From: Dave Hayes X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 735 HipCrime International writes: > Tend to agree with the idea that the list should be PGP'd. > Once we start any kind of "attacks", the law enforcement > people will start trying to locate us. It has happened to > me before, and we fully expect it to happen again. Well, then you shouldn't want PGP. That is the only way they can legally identify you. Without PGP, it could be anyone. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< Freedom Knight of Usenet - (NEW!) http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 02:51:48 1998 Return-Path: dave@jetcafe.org Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (hokkshideh.jetcafe.org [205.147.43.4]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA03318; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:20:51 -0400 Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26326; Wed, 6 May 1998 23:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805070621.XAA26326@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) Cc: sp@pgh.org (S.P.), prozak@anus.com, drg@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Subject: Re: security, pgp encrypted list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 23:21:09 -0700 From: Dave Hayes X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1327 Igor Chudov @ home writes: > S.P. wrote: >> Yes, and encryption should be used when discussing the most sensitive >> issues. We can also, eventually, create a separate list for the hacks, >> and actually allow a cabal infiltrator to think they have snuck in, and >> then use this insecure list to disinform our opponents, and even to set >> them up. > An idea that is nice in theory, but you will blow it in practice with > a 80% probability. This is hard to do, and not worth it. It's better to tell them the truth, because they won't believe you are telling it, and it's damn funny when they realize you -were-. >> The fewer people that know about a serious attack, the better for all. >> Therefore, only those hacks most intimately involved should have all the >> details, for everyone's protection. I do not want to know about any -attack-. I am a man of peace, as some of you know. I'm not going to stop one either (that would be counter-attacking which is still an attack). So you folks have fun. :) ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< Freedom Knight of Usenet - (NEW!) http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet Community (n.) - 1. Irrationals unified by hope of the impossible. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 02:51:38 1998 Return-Path: boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA10699; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:29:23 -0400 Received: from 1Cust37.max19.boston.ma.ms.uu.net (1Cust37.max19.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.78.165]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17329; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:29:11 -0700 (PDT) From: boursy@alt.net (ISP Ratings) To: "Dr.G" Cc: "S.P." , dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Steve Boursy--Master of USENET--strikes again. Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 01:31:45 GMT Organization: +ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <35520e3a.25795928@mail.alt.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 757 Dr. Grubor wrote: - -Henrietta has been around for a long time, and I think -she is about 56 or 57 now. - -But Steve would still fuck her, since she is friendly, -right Steve? {;-) Only from behind--would probably be her first. - -Her being called a kook is a misnomer, since she has -argued with us for years. S.P. is right--the cabal is really fragmenting. Lewis is continueing to loose respect and Henrietta is on the assault with Nasa and Sam. - -BTW, are we the kooks, or are they? We'll have to put that to an official vote. Do we have a protocol? Sorry I'm behind in email--usenet has been drawing my attention so there's a bit of catching up to do. Steve - --JG - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 12:14:00 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA29130; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:55:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:55:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: clown@pgh.org cc: sp@pgh.org, prozak@anus.com, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: security/Chain of Command In-Reply-To: <199805070355.WAA21251@manifold.algebra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 2407 On Wed, 6 May 1998, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:55:43 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" > To: hipcrime@mobsters.com > Cc: sp@pgh.org, prozak@anus.com, ichudov@Algebra.Com, drg@pgh.org, > 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, > hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Chain of Command > > HipCrime International wrote: > > > > Hi Hacks ... > > > > Tend to agree with the idea that the list should be PGP'd. > > Once we start any kind of "attacks", the law enforcement > > people will start trying to locate us. It has happened to > > me before, and we fully expect it to happen again. > > > > Complainers love to call the police. Many of them wish > > deeply that there was some kind of viable net-police. > > Lots of people of all kinds love to call the police. > > > Just in case we decide to move towards PGP, my public key > > is attached below. > > The move to pgp-ing the list would involve > > 1) installing software for the list > 2) installing pgp for every member > 3) training every member (not necessarily a trivial task) > 4) members entering passphrases (mine is rather lengthy) every time > they see a message > > There is a real cost to all this (esp. 4), especially visible to the > members who get paid hourly. > > Is it worth it? > > I would rather establish a separate list for high security discussions. > > Eg, bullshitting about relative merits of AK vs an AR-15 should not > be pgp-ed. > > Stuff which, if disclosed, would cause trouble for list members, > should be sent through a high security mailing list. (and then > perhaps you would not want to see me on it, which means you would > not trust my pgp mailing list program) > > Then again, human potential to make errors would make it worthless. > To be secure, every list member should be an accurate and paranoid > person, which is not the case here. > > - Igor. > I do not much worry about PGP when I am not breaking any Law. Private passwords are always transfered by telephone conversation of FAXed, as any encryption can be broken and the Internet itself is not that secure. But really, the cabal has not even heard of the "hacks list" yet? Has anybody seen it referred to anywhere out there? -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 12:14:02 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA29382; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:57:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:57:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: DSA Computers cc: "S.P." , 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org Subject: 1.02 Chain of Command In-Reply-To: <199805070612.XAA26114@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1248 On Wed, 6 May 1998, Dave Hayes wrote: > Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 23:12:00 -0700 > From: Dave Hayes > To: HipCrime International > Cc: "S.P." , Spinoza Ray Prozak , > Igor Chudov , "Dr.G" , 007@pgh.org, > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Chain of Command > > HipCrime International writes: > > Tend to agree with the idea that the list should be PGP'd. > > Once we start any kind of "attacks", the law enforcement > > people will start trying to locate us. It has happened to > > me before, and we fully expect it to happen again. > > Well, then you shouldn't want PGP. That is the only way they > can legally identify you. Without PGP, it could be anyone. > ------ > Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org > >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< > Freedom Knight of Usenet - (NEW!) http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet > > A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance > when the need for illusion is deep > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 12:14:03 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA30330; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:05:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:05:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: dave@pgh.org cc: "S.P." , clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Who the Kooks Are In-Reply-To: <199805070614.XAA26162@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1206 On Wed, 6 May 1998, Dave Hayes wrote: > Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 23:14:08 -0700 > From: Dave Hayes > To: Igor Chudov > Cc: "S.P." , drg@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, > 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Who the Kooks Are > > Igor Chudov @ home writes: > > Wrong, Kook is not a derogatory term but just a noun. > > Eh? "Noun" is a superset of "derogatory term". > "superset?" isn't that a programming term? I am not sure that is even used in english class. {;-) remember these? 8-) > "Kook" is certainly -used- in the same fashion. so you mean if they are calling you a kook, then they are saying you are bad, right? > ------ > Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org > >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< > Freedom Knight of Usenet - (NEW!) http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet > > "War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left." > -Confucious > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 12:14:07 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA32227; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:20:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:20:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: DSA Computers cc: sp@pgh.org, prozak@anus.com, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Subject: PGP/passphrase/Re: Chain of Command In-Reply-To: <199805070917.EAA23513@manifold.algebra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1753 On Thu, 7 May 1998, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 04:17:32 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" > To: Dave Hayes > Cc: hipcrime@mobsters.com, sp@pgh.org, prozak@anus.com, > ichudov@Algebra.Com, drg@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, > al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, > scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Chain of Command > > Dave Hayes wrote: > > > > HipCrime International writes: > > > Tend to agree with the idea that the list should be PGP'd. > > > Once we start any kind of "attacks", the law enforcement > > > people will start trying to locate us. It has happened to > > > me before, and we fully expect it to happen again. > > > > Well, then you shouldn't want PGP. That is the only way they > > can legally identify you. Without PGP, it could be anyone. > > Dave, > > Every reader can create a special key for list reading purpose, of > course with passphrases. The addresses in keys can be arbitrary, like > snowwhite@sodomy.org. > > Then we can exchange keys so that everyone has everyone's secret key > (but NOT the passphrases). > > I see no way how readers can be identified unless they themselves > disclose which passphrase they know. > > ``Ah, officer, I have these secret keys all right, but I have no > access to the passphrases...'' > With Officers, you always answer a question with another question. > - Igor. > This passphrase stuff can be done by telephone. You all have my TAX-CUNT phone number, and I also have an 800 number that can contain a recorded message. SOP is more important than passwords sometime. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 12:14:06 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA31211; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:12:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:12:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: HACK, not kook/Who the Kooks Are In-Reply-To: <355184FB.11F8@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1318 On Thu, 7 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 02:55:07 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: Igor Chudov > Cc: drg@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, > al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Who the Kooks Are > > Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > > > S.P. wrote: > > > None of us are kooks, IMO. Not you nor Lewis, or anyone. The cabal > > > applies the term "kook" much like racist applied the word "nigger" or > > > Nam vets applied the word "gook" to their enemies. In college, a > > > retired US Armey Colonel spoke to our class about his opposition to > > > abortion. He drew an analogy between the US Soldiers, who called their > > > enemies "gook", and the abortion-rights activists, who called an unborn > > > child a "fetus". > > > > Wrong, Kook is not a derogatory term but just a noun. > > Yes, and as all nouns, it has a meaning, and the cabal considers the > meaning to be negative. They use it to scare off people from crediting > the "kook's" opinoins. The cabal uses the noun to discredit people with > views not their own. > > SP > This is true. So you tell them you are a HACK and not a KOOK! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 12:14:05 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA30942; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:10:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:10:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: DSA Computers cc: "S.P." , prozak@anus.com, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Subject: Re: security, pgp encrypted list In-Reply-To: <199805070621.XAA26326@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 518 On Wed, 6 May 1998, Dave Hayes wrote: > I do not want to know about any -attack-. I am a man of peace, as > some of you know. > indeed Dave, you are our Titular head, and you must not know anything. And anything you do need to know I will tell you personally on a telephone conversation, which is the MOST secure medium of all. > I'm not going to stop one either (that would be counter-attacking > which is still an attack). > > So you folks have fun. :) What happened to your shades? -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 12:13:59 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA28596; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:50:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:50:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: hipcrime@pgh.org cc: "S.P." , 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org Subject: Re: Chain of Command In-Reply-To: <199805070332.XAA23997@www3.localweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1629 goat added and dups eliminated. iMplant will soon be in the list On Wed, 6 May 1998, HipCrime International wrote: > Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:04:59 +0530 > From: HipCrime International > To: "S.P." , Spinoza Ray Prozak > Cc: Igor Chudov , "Dr.G" , 007@pgh.org, > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, > hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Chain of Command > > Hi Hacks ... > > Tend to agree with the idea that the list should be PGP'd. > Once we start any kind of "attacks", the law enforcement > people will start trying to locate us. They will not have to go far, just call me. I am personally taking the "blame" for all attacks. It has happened to > me before, and we fully expect it to happen again. > No problem. I am very experienced at dealing with police. The first thing I tell them is that I am a Criminal Lawyer, and instantly they stop asking me questions and start answering leading questions. See, cops are use to being cross examined on the stand. > Complainers love to call the police. Many of them wish > deeply that there was some kind of viable net-police. > Remember, there is no law against any DOS attacks at all, unless it is a government computer. > Just in case we decide to move towards PGP, my public key > is attached below. > > ... HipCrime > I guess we will all start encrypting certain messages, but the question is which PGP? Are you using PGP 5.0 for Win95? -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 12:13:57 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA26807; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:31:51 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id IAA05412; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24679; Thu, 7 May 1998 07:30:54 -0500 Message-Id: <199805071230.HAA24679@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: Re: Who the Kooks Are To: drg@pgh.org (Dr.G) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 07:30:53 -0500 (CDT) Cc: ichudov@Algebra.Com, sp@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: from "Dr.G" at May 7, 98 08:19:22 am From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 453 Dr.G wrote: > > > > Wrong, Kook is not a derogatory term but just a noun. > > > > > > - Igor. > > Indeed so. And it all depends on who you are. > > Dimitri likes the word "kook" as he intentionally > took the name KOTM. After I explained it to him. But I am sure that he had an independent thinking process. > It does not matter to me, but if you ask me, I am > a hack first, and if a kook, that is immaterial. - Igor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 12:13:53 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA24445; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:05:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:05:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "Igor Chudov @ home" cc: "S.P." , prozak@anus.com, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Subject: assault software/Chain of Command In-Reply-To: <199805062330.SAA18725@manifold.algebra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 2834 On Wed, 6 May 1998, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 18:30:41 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" > To: "S.P." > Cc: prozak@anus.com, ichudov@Algebra.Com, drg@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, > hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Chain of Command > > S.P. wrote: > > Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > > > >If no one else is willing, I can help you out weither with majordomo, or > > > >with sendmail aliases. But perhaps Dave knows majordomo better. > > > We should reserve you for war command. I know the tools I'd spec out with > > > you to create a forum for pure havoc on the Internet. Also, everytime I > > > see the name of your firm I fall over laughing, almost literally. > > > > Yes, Spinoza, I agree. There needs to be a chain of command. I am not sure that that type of vertical integration is possible here, since each unit must be able to communicate with each other. In a military or business chain of command, there are both line and staff people, and they perform different functions. And the requirement is usually that the lower units go through the intermediary ones before comminicating with the Commander (CEO in Business). I studied the chain of command in the Army and then in business school, and it really is not applicable to a group of hacks. Each hack is here because of his own internal discipline, and he comprises an individual unit. Inter-operative coordinatin is done on a voluntary basis, and should be done freely. Once the > > net-abuse.org site is going strong, there will probably be times major > > corporate ISPs need to be bitch-slapped, and it will require the > > extraodinary talents of the greatest hacks in the underground to teach > > the corrupt bastards a lesson, We have them right here... and to bring them to the table, to stop > > whatever abuse they committed that brought about the attacks. > > I like writing Assault Software (TM,Ignoramus Chewed-Off), and let > everyone use it. You are welcome to be my users, but eventually I will > make it public so that anyone can use it too. > > - Igor. > But if you want to be wise, we should test it and then try to SELL it to the Government. If it is good enough, we can contract it out to the Pentagon and other Gov't units for a fee, that is *with* operators. C C++ Java Java Scripting Perl XML Visual Basic Thoise are the attack weapons of the present, and we must have a proficiency in the use of those tools. Unfortunately, I am a COBOL programmer, and that language corrupted my thinking about object oriented languages. Anybody for a SAP application to the hacks.net ? -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 12:13:52 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA13638; Thu, 7 May 1998 05:19:55 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id FAA16223; Thu, 7 May 1998 05:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA23513; Thu, 7 May 1998 04:17:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199805070917.EAA23513@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: Re: Chain of Command To: dave@jetcafe.org (Dave Hayes) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 04:17:32 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hipcrime@mobsters.com, sp@pgh.org, prozak@anus.com, ichudov@Algebra.Com, drg@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: <199805070612.XAA26114@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> from "Dave Hayes" at May 6, 98 11:12:00 pm From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 952 Dave Hayes wrote: > > HipCrime International writes: > > Tend to agree with the idea that the list should be PGP'd. > > Once we start any kind of "attacks", the law enforcement > > people will start trying to locate us. It has happened to > > me before, and we fully expect it to happen again. > > Well, then you shouldn't want PGP. That is the only way they > can legally identify you. Without PGP, it could be anyone. Dave, Every reader can create a special key for list reading purpose, of course with passphrases. The addresses in keys can be arbitrary, like snowwhite@sodomy.org. Then we can exchange keys so that everyone has everyone's secret key (but NOT the passphrases). I see no way how readers can be identified unless they themselves disclose which passphrase they know. ``Ah, officer, I have these secret keys all right, but I have no access to the passphrases...'' - Igor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:13 1998 Return-Path: dave@jetcafe.org Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (hokkshideh.jetcafe.org [205.147.43.4]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07632; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:22:29 -0400 Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07813; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805071822.LAA07813@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) Cc: hipcrime@mobsters.com, sp@pgh.org, prozak@anus.com, drg@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Subject: Re: Chain of Command Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 11:22:32 -0700 From: Dave Hayes X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1287 Igor Chudov @ home writes: > Dave Hayes wrote: >> HipCrime International writes: >> > Tend to agree with the idea that the list should be PGP'd. >> > Once we start any kind of "attacks", the law enforcement >> > people will start trying to locate us. It has happened to >> > me before, and we fully expect it to happen again. >> Well, then you shouldn't want PGP. That is the only way they >> can legally identify you. Without PGP, it could be anyone. > Every reader can create a special key for list reading purpose, of > course with passphrases. The addresses in keys can be arbitrary, like > snowwhite@sodomy.org. However, the destinations are -not- arbitrary. If your computer is subpeonaed, and a PGP literate investigator finds your public key there... ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< Freedom Knight of Usenet - (NEW!) http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet A neighbor asked Nasrudin to borrow his donkey. "It is out on loan," said the Mulla. At that moment the donkey was heard to bray, somewhere inside the stable. "But I can hear it bray, in there." "Whom do you believe," said the Mulla, "me or a donkey?" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:15 1998 Return-Path: dave@jetcafe.org Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (hokkshideh.jetcafe.org [205.147.43.4]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08009; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:25:17 -0400 Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07905; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805071825.LAA07905@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Dr.G" Cc: "S.P." , clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Who the Kooks Are Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 11:25:33 -0700 From: Dave Hayes X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 784 G writes: > On Wed, 6 May 1998, Dave Hayes wrote: >> Igor Chudov @ home writes: >> > Wrong, Kook is not a derogatory term but just a noun. >> Eh? "Noun" is a superset of "derogatory term". > "superset?" isn't that a programming term? No, it's a set theory term. >> "Kook" is certainly -used- in the same fashion. > so you mean if they are calling you a kook, then > they are saying you are bad, right? Essentially, yes. I'd certainly agree that is the intent. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< Freedom Knight of Usenet - (NEW!) http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet Counterfeiters exist because there is such a thing as real money. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:17 1998 Return-Path: dave@jetcafe.org Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (hokkshideh.jetcafe.org [205.147.43.4]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08287; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:27:33 -0400 Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07963; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805071827.LAA07963@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Dr.G" Cc: "S.P." , prozak@anus.com, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Subject: Re: security, pgp encrypted list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 11:27:49 -0700 From: Dave Hayes X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 798 G writes: > And anything you do need to know I will tell you personally > on a telephone conversation, which is the MOST secure medium of all. Well, no. The -most- secure medium is the air gap between a mouth and ear in the himilayas. :) >> I'm not going to stop one either (that would be counter-attacking >> which is still an attack). >> So you folks have fun. :) > What happened to your shades? I only use them when I drive. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< Freedom Knight of Usenet - (NEW!) http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet For hatred can never put an end to hatred, love alone can. This is an unalterable law. -The Dhammapada ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:32 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20884; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:01:17 -0400 Received: from satan (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03871; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980507123055.0175c550@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:59:45 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Dejanews Company Profile/Posting Party Cc: Dave Hayes , boursy@alt.net, Igor Chudov , prozak@anus.com, drg@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 3697 Holy batshit, man! This is exceptional! At 03:10 AM 5/7/98 -0700, S.P. wrote: >This is about all the information we will need to reply to Deja News >after what I anticipate will be a plug-pulling party against the entire >pgh.org domain. The geeks call it a LARTing. > >If Steve can devise a posting strategy and we all work in coordination, >and if perhaps we make a concerted effort not to violate Deja News' >TOS/AUP, I predict that the cabal will flood Dejanews with complaints >about all of us. Deja News will then close our accounts. > >Deja News is vulnerable to online public opinion, as they sell >advertising. Also, their venture capitalist partner is careful to >cultivate good online relations--so the cabal will no doubt be able to >close our accounts. > >More discussion is necessary before the great pgh.org posting party that >I have promised SPUTUM at Dr. G's behest. It will be up to Steve, I >hope, to set the date and the scope--this would be a good opportunity to >see if we can coordinate our efforts like the cabal used to be able to >do. > >Hopefully, once Deja News closes our accounts, then we can politely ask >them to reconsider, and if they do, then perhaps they will stay out of >future USENET debates. > >SP > > >Deja News, Inc. >9430 Research Blvd. >Building II, Suite 350 >Austin, Texas 78759 >(512) 343-6397 >Fax (512) 502-8889 > >Austin Ventures (achilles heel) > >Deja News eMarketing (achilles heel) >http://gw1.dejanews.com/ >sales@dejanews.com > >NAME/TITLE/TELEPHONE EXTENSION > >Anderson, Meredith 293 >Anderson, Michael 283 >Ball, Mark 228 >Clendemic, Carey 276 >Crane, Chris 290 >Demosthenes-Nika, George 231 >El-Chariff, Rami (VP Technical Operations) >Fabbio, Bob (Chairman of Deja News' Board of Directors/Venture Partner >at Austin Ventures) 218 >Freidman, Ben 213 >Hoffman, Guy (President/CEO) >Kirk, Mary 217 (User Liason 5) 217 >Lear, Bill 234 >Lore, Ed 236 >Manzerik, Mathew 232 >McFarlane, Mickey 215 >Meadow, Joe 277 >Moya, Amy 265 >Madere, Monica (Marketing Director/Wife of Steve Madere) >Madere, Steve (Founder and Chief Technology Officer) 225 >Rocy, Julie 210 >Santa-Anna, Chris 273 >Schaefer, Wes (VP Sales and Service) >Schugart, Audra 214 >Shank, Thomas 230 >Townsend, Bill (VP Business Development. Part of original management >team at Lycos, Inc.) >Webb, John 253 >Williams, Scott (VP software design) 224 >Wilson, David (VP Marketing. Formerly of Micrografix, Inc. where he was >director of bramd management) 221 > > > >Sources: >http://www.moneysearch.com/cgi/message.cgi/view/377 >http://www.smartdna.com/news_articles_aas_120897.html >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,19705,00.html >http://cgi.amcity.com/austin/stories/081296/story4.html >http://search.dejanews.com/emarket/about/pr/1997/dnpr_971006.shtml > > ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:27 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20870; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:01:14 -0400 Received: from satan (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03897; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980507123502.0175f7a4@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:59:54 -0700 To: Dave Hayes From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: security, pgp encrypted list Cc: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov), sp@pgh.org (S.P.), prozak@anus.com, drg@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1516 >> An idea that is nice in theory, but you will blow it in practice with >> a 80% probability. > >This is hard to do, and not worth it. It's better to tell them the >truth, because they won't believe you are telling it, and it's >damn funny when they realize you -were-. Let them trap themselves with their own mendacity. >>> The fewer people that know about a serious attack, the better for all. >>> Therefore, only those hacks most intimately involved should have all the >>> details, for everyone's protection. > >I do not want to know about any -attack-. I am a man of peace, as >some of you know. Passivity is often aggression in human behaviors. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:29 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20910; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:01:24 -0400 Received: from satan (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03912; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980507123637.0175c26c@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:59:58 -0700 To: Dave Hayes From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Chain of Command Cc: "HipCrime International" , "S.P." , "Spinoza Ray Prozak" , "Igor Chudov" , "Dr.G" , 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1302 howdy, >Well, then you shouldn't want PGP. That is the only way they >can legally identify you. Without PGP, it could be anyone. i think that's the long and the short of it... i stopped using PGP after people sent me questionable requests with it and i talked to a lawyer about it. his response: anything in computer text is inadmissible if you have a good defense team, but anything you use customarily as a signature is your legal responsibility... take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:36 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20918; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:01:27 -0400 Received: from satan (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03922; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980507123804.01762908@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:00:02 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Who the Kooks Are Cc: "Dr.G" , dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1439 howdy, >He impressed upon us that these words enable good people to rationalize >killing--as the soldier was taught that the VC was sub-human, and >therefore, not a man, but a "gook". This made it easier for the boys >from middle America to kill them--they were not killing men--after all. >He applied this analogy to abortion--that good people convince >themselves they are killing something less than a child, just a "fetus." Those who reach out to the shared humanity triumph over such teleological slanders. Politics is bullshit when you talk to the people upon who it is enacted. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:41 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20971; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:01:36 -0400 Received: from satan (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03928; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980507123927.017602a8@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:00:05 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: security, pgp encrypted list Cc: Igor Chudov , prozak@anus.com, drg@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1586 howdy, >Yes, I imagine a time several years from now where the religious right >will begin a campaign to "clean up" the Internet. I see by today's >posts that Furmanski of SPUTUM has written about "cleaning up" USENET >with a broom to get rid of trolls and kooks on both sides. Attacking >opponents like Jesse Helms and Jerry Falwell will result in attacks upon >those attacking them. The harder for them to put a puzzle together, the >more safety to those who stirred the puzzle up. They will swelter in their own chaos of aggression as we take over the prize: the position of leaders who bring hope and justice to the realm. Remember which kings last longest in the memory of their people - not the tyrants, but the lovers. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:39 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20968; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:01:36 -0400 Received: from satan (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03942; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980507124214.00a6844c@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:00:11 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Future Opponents of Free Speech Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , "Dr.G" , 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2199 howdy, >> We have the talent, we have the balls, and we're spending time on this >> anyway. If not us, the rest of the net is silent in resignation, beaten >> down. Hails to the people who make life worthwhile no matter what those >> trapped in small-mindedness throw at them - you rule! > >It is the nucleus of a revolution. If done right from the >begginning--hacks connected to the underground--netabuse.org promoting >freedom online--effective and meaningful attacks designed to promote >political change and responsible corporate behavior, with the goal of >preserving freedom and human rights, never allowing ourselves to be >drawn into stupid personal attacks against nobodies like the cabal (I am >guilty in this regard), then this fledgling movement will serve an >important purpose, and strike fear into the hearts of Jesse Helms and >the hard-core censors that are just itching to replace Chris Lewis & Co. >and really get busy on "cleaning up the internet" and USENET. Well said. There are an infinite number of wannabes censors with their taboos, and we are those who free the whole of humanity from taboo. >The moral majority, aka Falwell and Helms, will probably become our most >dangerous opponents someday, when Lewis has faded into the obscurity >where he belongs. We all fade, but memories of justice remain. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:34 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20956; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:01:34 -0400 Received: from satan (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03949; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980507124419.00a667b0@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:00:14 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: hacks.net/netabuse.org domain Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , "Dr.G" , rob@chop.isca.uiowa.edu, ric@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, al@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2062 howdy, >We have you to thank, Spinoza, for finding out that netabuse.org was >available. Good work, it's a great idea. Dave Hayes jumped on it and put it into action - it was a successful project of ideological collaboration of the hacks. >Steve is going to need help >with the site, I believe, and for now, it's best to keep the cabal in >the dark about what Dave Hayes and Steve have planned for that site. I agree. They'll shit when they see the DNS registration also. Luckily, Internic has been too busy to care about complaints. >> The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we >> disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the >> interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free >> speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and >> we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be >> appreciated by our grandchildren. > >You are a damn good writer, Spinoza. That should go up at the coming >netabuse.org site. Thank you - that is a mission statement that came out unintentionally after a dialogue on this list. I think it sez what needs to be said (sed?). take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:38 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20969; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:01:36 -0400 Received: from satan (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03956; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980507124714.00a66550@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:00:18 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Rich Tietjens attack on Dave Hayes Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2237 howdy, >I second that, Spinoza, and also the idea that we support each other's >posts if it is requested. We already support the downtrodden who just want to have their say; in the eyes of history, Terri DiSisto is equal to any of us is equal to Chris Lewis and beyond. >Guy Polis is flaming Vulis, and Sam is >stalking Steve. If we take the high-ground it should be easy to make >these bums look bad--but you, Spinoza, are a master of comedy, and I >doubt those scum would appreciate your comments. Heh! Thx. >I am going to begin a >posting campaign against Rich Tietjen's perhaps in about 1-2 weeks, as >soon as I have more time, because now I am very busy on a new 30 mg >website, so I apologize for the previous delays in my response to your >emails. I'm busy on 30 mg of something else... something green. Last time I was in Austin they dumped me an oz (28.5 on the nose) of what looked like Thai-derivative Mexican- or Texas-grown weed. Roll planks of that and you experience life in a new plateau. These folks are projecting their weakness against us, and the best answer is tough love: unyielding firmness of intent and objective, but compassion in reply. They'll flip out when they see we cannot be manipulated as they have, and will go through a period of resentment - but not before realizing the meaninglessness of "power," or going insane. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:44 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22434; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:11:52 -0400 Received: from satan (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA05249; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980507125228.00a640b8@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:10:33 -0700 To: Dave Hayes From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Who the Kooks Are Cc: "Dr.G" , "S.P." , clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1314 howdy, >>> "Kook" is certainly -used- in the same fashion. >> so you mean if they are calling you a kook, then >> they are saying you are bad, right? > >Essentially, yes. I'd certainly agree that is the intent. Association slanders are another tool of those who believe an ad hominem attack drives away the information that the messenger brought; it's similar to lynching, in that one is burning a scapegoat in effigy, as the real issue is the much larger whole. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:45 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22509; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:12:24 -0400 Received: from satan (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA05257; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980507125316.00a60f08@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:10:36 -0700 To: Dave Hayes From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: security, pgp encrypted list Cc: "Dr.G" , "S.P." , prozak@anus.com, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1508 howdy, >> And anything you do need to know I will tell you personally >> on a telephone conversation, which is the MOST secure medium of all. > >Well, no. The -most- secure medium is the air gap between a mouth >and ear in the himilayas. :) In a society without trust, what is secure? How about we all meet for a party in Austin, Tx? >>> I'm not going to stop one either (that would be counter-attacking >>> which is still an attack). >>> So you folks have fun. :) >> What happened to your shades? > >I only use them when I drive. Fuck, you have to in California. If the glare doesn't knock your eyes out the flashing red and blue lights will. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:30 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20827; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:01:02 -0400 Received: from satan (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03859; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980507123039.0175a5e4@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:59:41 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Steve Boursy--Master of USENET--strikes again. Cc: boursy@alt.net, "Dr.G" , dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1931 howdy, >Yes, Steve, something has changed with the cabal. Maybe it was the >failed moratorium. The "Public Display of Impotence"? Yes, that was hilarious. Someday Chris Lewis will be suing to remove those messages from the archives. >Or their former leaders like Lewis are disgusted >with the Sam/Guy Polis crowd. Whatever it is, we should hurry the >scum-buckets along, because there are alot of newbies, and they will >still listen to the idea that USENET should continue to evolve into the >human cesspool that it has become--a microcosm of humanity's best and >worst, archived for posterity to ponder. If they want a clean smelling >room, let them go to the web. There will never be a clean smelling room; decay is essential also, and we should not fear death as it is only a conclusion and not a goal (e.g. we should not be fooled into teleological interpretation). We should make USENET a place where no opinion is taboo, no action is verboten, and there is no fear - really FREE communication between people, and I don't mean in the Judenkristne sense. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:22 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20758; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:00:51 -0400 Received: from satan (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03844; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980507122832.0175c704@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:59:36 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: assault software/Chain of Command Cc: "Igor Chudov @ home" , "S.P." , prozak@anus.com, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2699 >I am not sure that that type of vertical integration is possible >here, since each unit must be able to communicate with each other. This is a wonderful rant, Doctor - we are autonomists and as such need to deal on an object rather than procedural model. >In a military or business chain of command, there are both line >and staff people, and they perform different functions. And the >requirement is usually that the lower units go through the intermediary >ones before comminicating with the Commander (CEO in Business). > >I studied the chain of command in the Army and then in business >school, and it really is not applicable to a group of hacks. Each >hack is here because of his own internal discipline, and he comprises >an individual unit. Inter-operative coordinatin is done on a voluntary >basis, and should be done freely. We are equals who cooperate on ideals. >But if you want to be wise, we should test it and then >try to SELL it to the Government. If it is good enough, >we can contract it out to the Pentagon and other Gov't >units for a fee, that is *with* operators. > >C >C++ >Java >Java Scripting >Perl >XML >Visual Basic > >Thoise are the attack weapons of the present, and we must have >a proficiency in the use of those tools. > >Unfortunately, I am a COBOL programmer, and that language >corrupted my thinking about object oriented languages. > >Anybody for a SAP application to the hacks.net ? COBOL is excellent. Someday the world will realize how important it is to make COBOL the new standard for the Internet (ok, ok, I'm lying). Selling these tools to the gov't is an interesting idea, but I think they can develop them if they want - if you want to develop them, put them on the net, and then sell SOLUTIONS, you get the good Judeo-Christian capitalist thing going. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:24 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20761; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:00:52 -0400 Received: from satan (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03823; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980507122502.0175a2d0@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:59:28 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: 1.02 Chain of Command Cc: DSA Computers , "S.P." , 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1117 >> Well, then you shouldn't want PGP. That is the only way they >> can legally identify you. Without PGP, it could be anyone. This is what $250 buys you with an experienced corporate lawyer, as well. Make sure you use incompetent ISPs who keep logs sparingly if you can. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:20 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20710; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:00:41 -0400 Received: from satan (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03805; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980507122403.01757d1c@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:59:24 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: security, pgp encrypted list Cc: DSA Computers , "S.P." , prozak@anus.com, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1639 howdy, >> I do not want to know about any -attack-. I am a man of peace, as >> some of you know. > >indeed Dave, you are our Titular head, and you must not know anything. He's our Head Titularity. >And anything you do need to know I will tell you personally >on a telephone conversation, which is the MOST secure medium of all. > >> I'm not going to stop one either (that would be counter-attacking >> which is still an attack). >> >> So you folks have fun. :) > >What happened to your shades? Probably the lawyers confiscated them ;)-~ The only use for PGP is encrypting bong hits for transfer over the new Internet superfreewaydingusbuttmunchcolonicsuperchute. Attacks serve a strategic goal, rather than a tactical one; the only tactical goal is to hold ground. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:42 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20717; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:00:44 -0400 Received: from satan (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03788; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980507122238.01759308@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:59:19 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: HACK, not kook/Who the Kooks Are Cc: "S.P." , dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1490 Tell them: "I am a human being, born of this earth like you, and I walk with all intelligences shoulder-to-shoulder, as equals. That includes man, god, animal and universe, and from this I derive respect for my life and the greater pattern of evolutionary mathematics which it represents. If you were to melt the universe into a cup and pour it into my soul, it would be recreated in the same abundance and diversity and neverending beauty that is a reason to look up and see the skies and soar..." Six of one half, a dozen the other, Tell that to the Captain's mother. Hey captain, don't you want to buy Some bone chips - toothpicks - take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:19 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20695; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:00:34 -0400 Received: from satan (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03774; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980507122045.017580c8@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:59:16 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: PGP/passphrase/Re: Chain of Command Cc: DSA Computers , sp@pgh.org, prozak@anus.com, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1499 howdy, i don't know if you guys have ever been through an FBI raid, but there is no time to ask questions - everything they can identify as computer related - your box, your router, your modem, your telephone, your computer, and yes, even your microwave (ask ErikB) - will be in a box out the door. if your attorney is there they will try to take him/her outside before this happens. unless you want to open up with the AK at that point, it's pretty inevitable they're going to tear into your stuff - and then trying to deny a passphrase in court is a quick trip to jail for obstruction/their other catch-all for interfering with judicial process. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 18:41:25 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20689; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:00:31 -0400 Received: from satan (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA03760; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980507121852.01757190@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:59:10 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Who the Kooks Are Cc: "Dr.G" , dave@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 3505 howdy, >> "superset?" isn't that a programming term? >> I am not sure that is even used in english class. {;-) set theory is one of the best ways to teach grammar. i ended up having to use the term "operator overloading" to describe a hybrid verb-noun form the other day; English - it's better than C! >> so you mean if they are calling you a kook, then >> they are saying you are bad, right? > >Yes, and also, Dr. G, when they call us a kook, they are trying to >influence media opinon against us. To the media, a kook's opinion is >tantamount to the opinion of a conspiracy nut--someone not crazy, but >certainly paranoid, without a clear view of reality, and therefore to be >discounted. It doesn't matter what we think of this stupid, silly >noun's meaning, but instead it matters what the media thinks about us. They're trying to write us off by association. Same way people say: "Those people are derelict Negroes"; "Those people are evil Nazis"; "Those people are goddamn homosexuals"; "Those people are scum." The moralism of those statements and its failure is evident in the lyrical difference between grindcore (of hardcore background) and metal (of post-moral background). >As Spinoza said, in substance, we all need to consider if we want to >keep on communicating on USENET as we have been, or if we should begin >to communicate with decency and respect for everyone on USENET--even to >the point of forgiving past transgressions and even to the point of >refusing to become engaged in personal attacks against our opponents. >We have proved that we can kick ass--Dave has posed the question, in >substance, as to what would happen if we started communicating within >the framework of the cabal's worldview--wouldn't they begin to act like >kooks? > >Calling people pedophiles, faggots and writing that there are contracts >on Chris Lewis' head, and that he will soon be dead, weaken our >position. Well said. As tempting as it is to KO these folks they are slaves to their own pain as well, and we are fighting a war for public relations - to look at them and assume they are the objective creates a polemic from which we will not awaken, upon which observing the world will turn and write both groups off the page. Planning a logical attack in which we both provide better plans consistently, are not stirred by the largely ad-hominem messages of the T.I.N.C.L. folks, and at the same time spur them to reveal the illogicality of their positions will make us more powerful; otherwise, we are only more people who believe the war will never end. Hope is a weapon and we are its vanguard. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 12:13:56 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA25713; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:19:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:19:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "Igor Chudov @ home" cc: "S.P." , dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Who the Kooks Are In-Reply-To: <199805070143.UAA19894@manifold.algebra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1209 On Wed, 6 May 1998, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 20:43:29 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" > To: "S.P." > Cc: drg@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, > al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Who the Kooks Are > > S.P. wrote: > > None of us are kooks, IMO. Not you nor Lewis, or anyone. The cabal > > applies the term "kook" much like racist applied the word "nigger" or > > Nam vets applied the word "gook" to their enemies. In college, a > > retired US Armey Colonel spoke to our class about his opposition to > > abortion. He drew an analogy between the US Soldiers, who called their > > enemies "gook", and the abortion-rights activists, who called an unborn > > child a "fetus". > > Wrong, Kook is not a derogatory term but just a noun. > > > - Igor. Indeed so. And it all depends on who you are. Dimitri likes the word "kook" as he intentionally took the name KOTM. It does not matter to me, but if you ask me, I am a hack first, and if a kook, that is immaterial. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 12:13:51 1998 Return-Path: dave@jetcafe.org Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (hokkshideh.jetcafe.org [205.147.43.4]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA11780 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 04:43:39 -0400 Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA28590 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805070843.BAA28590@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "S.P." Subject: Thoughts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 01:43:57 -0700 From: Dave Hayes X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1152 Remember the original Star Trek? When the crew of the enterprise teleported into a world where they were their opposites? "It is easier for a civilized man to appear to be a barbarian, than for the barbarians to do likewise". So what would happen if all of the "Kooks" suddenly started talking like the Cabal? If Dr G. started being civil (by their standard of civil)? I predict that the Cabal would become more and more like the Kooks, due to a facet of animalistic human nature that keeps dynamic opposites in place. It would be an interesting experiment. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< Freedom Knight of Usenet - (NEW!) http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet The King decided to force his subjects to tell the truth. Nasrudin was first in line. They asked him, "Where are you going? Tell the truth or be hanged" "I am going," said Nasrudin, "to be hanged on that gallows." "I don't believe you." "Very well, if I have told a lie, then hang me!" "But that would make it the truth!" "Exactly," said Nasrudin, "your truth." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu May 07 22:18:18 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22430; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:11:49 -0400 Received: from satan (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03966; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980507124830.00a67a1c@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:00:22 -0700 To: "Dr.G" X-UIDL: 894581102.020 From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: SSH?/Re: hacks.net/netabuse.org domain Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , "S.P." , rob@chop.isca.uiowa.edu, ric@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, al@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_894596422==_" Status: RO X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 10702 --=====================_894596422==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" howdy, >> I agree. And SSH is even cooler (highly recommended). > >er, what is SSH? It's a secure socket version of telnet, I forget exactly what it stands for but it permits encryption of passwords en route to the server, eliminating the most common type of penetration. HIGHLY recommended. And I mean -- ;)-~ take care, SRP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Fri May 08 20:21:49 1998 Return-Path: 'boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16788; Fri, 8 May 1998 20:24:17 -0400 Received: from 1Cust75.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net (1Cust75.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.79.75]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA16424; Fri, 8 May 1998 17:24:20 -0700 (PDT) From: 'boursy@alt.net (ISP Ratings) To: Spinoza Ray Prozak Cc: ISP_Ratings , "S.P." , "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" , "Dr.G" , dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Call for debate about newsgroups to cancel, if any. Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 00:26:59 GMT Organization: +ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <355ca0d7.6466433@mail.alt.net> References: <3.0.32.19980508082313.0179d8b8@paranoia.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980508082313.0179d8b8@paranoia.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 4127 Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: -howdy, Greetings. - -> -> Rather than cancel the posts why not flood the groups with ->statements regarding what ISPs seem to view as acceptable ->and what they do not--it would lead some to conclude they ->are pedophiles by preference. - -Put up a copy of their TOS in GIF format and name it 'teenlust.gif' - I like it!!! - -> I can understand your reasoning on the cancels given ->the context but I'm a differing opinion--if we issue cancels=20 ->the media attention won't be worth it in the long run as we'll be ->doing what they are doing--forging cancels. Better to flood ->the groups so they become unusable and let the cabal issue their ->cancels--then the groups can become flooded with messages=20 ->regarding their forgery and their defense of pedophiles, etc. - -Especially since the T.I.N.C.L. folks have admitted their cancels are -useless and declared a moratorium. - ->>However, if media coverage is ever a consideration to any hack,=20 ->>I think much pressure can be placed upon ISPs who do not block=20 ->>child porn newsgroups--but who in turn censor us for simply posting=20 ->>contrary opinions to cabal newsgroups. -> -> That's the perfect message to flood the groups with--let the ->cabal do the dirty work--we know they will. - -We can programmatically generate boring and useless but commercially=20 -viable opinions, including cascades. You mean repost all the cabals own messages? - -> My suggestion though is to not just flood the kiddie porn ->groups but the most popular porn groups in general. This ->will cause a host of complaints from customers and as we know ->most ISPs hate complaints--porn is their bread and butter. ->Or repost their own porn over and over again and crosspost ->it to rec.pet.cats, etc. - -Fuck reposting real porn; post pictures of Adolf Hitler named=20 -things like 16slut.jpg like KCUF airmaster did. Exactly!! - ->>Many people, Steve, have spoken about how corrupt ISPs want to act=20 ->>as common carriers, but also want to enforce their fucking AUP/TOS ->>bullshit. What is your opinion? -> -> I don' t even read TOS and consider them bullshit--what's advertised= =20 ->initially is all that matters legally and ethically. I think those = who try ->to qualify terms like unlimited are crooked and have no value as ->human beings (and you can extend that as far as you like--it's ->heartfelf). - -"Murder murder murder - Please excuse my retribution - Murder murder murder - She will reincarnate" I've no problem with ending this shit with a=20 massive cancellation of everything--if that's going to happen the weapon should be given to all first though. Send the fucker to the Christian Coalition types against porn, post where to get it via ftp in alt.christnet, alt.scientology, etc. Then we can just sit back and watch--they'll be no need for any here to actually issue a cancel. - -> Personally I'd rather see the porn sites flooded and let them ->do the cancelling. Another option would be a bot that reposts porn ->to the big eight heirarchy. I know others will differ on the cancel=20 ->thing and that's what makes the world go round. - -Attacking porn is a good way to grab the Net by its balls. No one = wants to -admit that America is funding the Internet through the masturbation of = the -working "stiff." Most traffic I've seen is porn (esp. after 9 pm) and = most -random clients for web developers want adult sites :( Yup-cut off the porn and the customers stop paying the $20 bucks a month. =20 -I hate the shit at this point, but think the reason we should attack it= is -that it - like the hand of fascism behind morality - is a dirty secret = of -society, "dirty" because they deny it and a secret because it would=20 -corrupt all of their righteousness. Shit--I like porn--especially the asians. - -I AM THE FIST IN THE EYE OF GOD A Shotgun is needed. Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Fri May 08 23:42:34 1998 Return-Path: boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17238; Fri, 8 May 1998 20:28:48 -0400 Received: from 1Cust75.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net (1Cust75.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.79.75]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA16538; Fri, 8 May 1998 17:29:04 -0700 (PDT) From: boursy@alt.net (ISP Ratings) To: "S.P." Cc: "Dr.G" , clown@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Hack's Business Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 00:31:43 GMT Organization: +ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <355da34f.7098640@mail.alt.net> References: <3553719A.698F@pgh.org> In-Reply-To: <3553719A.698F@pgh.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 729 S.P. wrote: -Dr.G wrote: - - -> Now we all must start making some MONEY out of this, and if -> I get a contract to KILL an ISP because they carry child porn, -> then it is BUSINESS! - -Dr. G, I respectfully suggest that you consider discussing with the -hacks the proper ways to approach potential clients. There are strong -right-wing, Christian groups that no doubt would pay you to wipe out -child porn/exploitation on the net. =20 Or they'd do it themselves if given or sold the tool and this one is=20 something even a Christian could handle. That would be perfect for the media as well which you keep pointing out is so important to the solution Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Fri May 08 23:42:36 1998 Return-Path: boursy@earthlink.net Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20600 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 20:58:03 -0400 Received: from prosac (1Cust75.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.79.75]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA14552; Fri, 8 May 1998 17:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805090058.RAA14552@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: boursy@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 21:00:54 -0400 To: "S.P." From: ISP_Ratings Subject: Re: Dr. G forging SP at austin internet Cc: dave@jetcafe.org In-Reply-To: <3553CA0E.447@pgh.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 828 S.P. wrote: > >Steve, > > Dr. G is posting from usenet@grubor to austin internet and signing >himself S.P. He is saying things in my name, to people in my >community. I just read the groups and only saw his own posts--didn't see any by you. Did they just get sent out? > If you or Dave have any influence on this idiot, then please ask him >to stop. This is beyond the bounds--as Dr. G is saying, basically, that >he is a great guy, an international spy, the works, and signing it all >S.P. I'll be glad to talk with him--are you sure it's him though? > > Dr. G is a disappointment to me. Well let's straighten it out--Dr. Grubor is worth his weight in gold when heavy artillery is called for and he's taken many hits over the years. Steve > > SP > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Fri May 08 23:42:37 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA31483; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:46:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199805090246.WAA31483@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 80092 via TCP with SMTP; Fri, 08 May 1998 21:38:43 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "S.P." Cc: "ISP_Ratings" , "Dr.G" , , , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , Subject: Re: Compuserve hunts the Rogue Canceller. Latest post Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 08:15:24 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2113 Hi Dr. G... This means my work-dialup might get canned. Damn. Sure could use access to that MSN account, or if there's no numbers in my area, a throwaway CIS account would be superly-nice. They've for sure got some dial-ins on this side of the world, and my scripts, etc. to login through them are already working. ... HipCrime ---------- > From: S.P. > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: ISP_Ratings ; Dr.G ; dave@jetcafe.org; clown@pgh.org; 007@pgh.org; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Compuserve hunts the Rogue Canceller. Latest post > Date: Saturday, May 09, 1998 8:30 AM > > Here is the latest post in reply to Compuserve's J. Donavan Stanley's > promise to track down the perpetrator. > > Wonder what they will say to their customers who start cancelling spam > with NewsAgent. > > SP > > -- > >From - Fri May 08 19:55:15 1998 > NNTP-Posting-Host: fluffy.meow.org > Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,alt.flame > Subject: Re: Rogue cancels apparently from CompuServe > References: > > From: Fluffy > Organization: Kobiyaki is eels! > X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.6.4meow/Emacs 19.34 > Date: 08 May 1998 18:55:14 -0400 > Message-ID: <87ogx8nzjh.meow@fluffy.meow.org> > Lines: 9 > X-Server-Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 22:55:17 GMT > Path: > news!global-news-master!newsfeed.concentric.net!nntp.giganews.com!feed2.news .erols.com!erols!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!ne ws.sprintlink.net!206.243.167.19!fluffy.meow.org!news > Xref: news alt.flame:545377 news.admin.net-abuse.usenet:114711 > > "J. Donavan Stanley" writes: > > > Consider it done. Outgoing cancels are blocked while I track down this twit > > and have him dealt with . > > Cool. Thanks! > > -- > "None of this would be necessary if you'd just meow." --Fido ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Fri May 08 23:42:39 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA00310 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 23:01:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199805090301.XAA00310@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 80113 via TCP with SMTP; Fri, 08 May 1998 21:53:28 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "S.P." Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 08:30:06 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 6326 Hi S.P... To begin with, NewsAgent is completely mine. Wrote the code all alone. Got help only by asking questions of the right people (i.e. Dave Hayes and Dimitri Vulis). Your suggestions make sense, just not sure how it'd be possible for me to collect the money. You see, my residence is NOT in the USSA, and won't ever be. Don't think people would be willing to pay for something in foreign currency, or to send money orders to far-away countries. Do you? Collections are my real problem. Coding, distribution, support, etc. are easy for me. Right now, the NewsAgent interface is super simple to use. Did you download it? All you have to is enter a newsServer name, a newsGroup name (possibly with wildcards), a port number, then fill out a form for what you want to post. Now click the button. At that point, NewsAgent will post your message and cancel EVERYTHING else. Don't you think it should be a little more sophisticated? Like maybe some sort of conditional cancelling? By applying rules to the headers, like maybe a list of addrs that are killed, subject/organizations too. Other ideas on this are welcome. Anyway, if you want to make a go of this product, your help would be appreciated. ... HipCrime P.S. still don't know about IRS Agent, or how to get in touch. Is that the same person as APL? APL sent me a long list from a newsServer scan, but not sure how to use that info, and haven't gotten a response. ---------- > From: S.P. > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: Dr.G ; ISP_Ratings ; dave@jetcafe.org; clown@pgh.org; 007@pgh.org; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org; Spinoza Ray Prozak > Subject: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. > Date: Saturday, May 09, 1998 8:12 AM > > HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > > Hi Hacks ... > > > > There's NewsAgent (v0.03) now at the usual location. > > > > It's got some more little bug fixes, and a password > > and registration screen. It's in time-limited demo > > mode, and'll work for 5 executions before requiring > > a password. > > > > The registration screen displays your unique five digit > > "system ID", so if you download it and want a password, > > just Email that number to me. There's no charge (yet), > > but let's continue the discussion of making this into a > > product. > > Mike Enlow's marketing plan worked, and I would respectfully suggest, > HipCrime, that you either adopt his, or improve upon it, if possible. > > I suggest that you: > > 1. Create an easy to use, graphical interface, and place a screeshot > of it at the host website. > > 2. Advertise at the website, that NewsAgent is a powerful, > spam-fighting tool. > > 3. Tell people that until NewsAgent, only an ELITE few have had the > power to fight the "hated" spammers. > > 4. Explain how simple to use NewsAgent is. > > 5. Ask people to send a valid email address to you, before making > NewsAgent available for download. In this way, you can see who is > interested in your product, and identify the cabal as well. Tell all > NewsAgent seeks beta testers. > > 6. Spam USENET porn and warez groups the day you make Newsagent > available for download. > > 7. Before your site is closed down, many people will have downloaded > NewsAgent. > > 8. Move the site again, and continue to spam USENET with the new URL > information, and blame your ISP as helping spammers close your previous > website, so that more people will go and download NewsAgent to seek > revenge on the hated spammers. > > 9. When you have, hopefully several thousand valid email addresses, > or even many more, from those who downloaded NewsAgent, send email and > inform people how to get a serial number to enable the program, by > visiting a URL. Remember, no ISP can close you down for giving out > serial numbers. > > 10. Invite people to send money orders to pay for the serial number, > if you have an address of a freind's business who will let you use it, > or set up a secure payment system with an ISP, who does not care what > you are selling. ISPs that host porn sites are good candidates. In > fact, don't even tell them what you are selling--let them think it is an > adult website, and that the complaints you are getting are from > christian zealots or censors. > > 11. Blame all disinformation about Trojan Horses and cabal talk about > the lack of quality of Newsagent, as just an attempt by spammers to snow > the people who hate spam, as NewsAgent IS THE FIRST USER FREINDLY > CANCELBOT THAT WILL PUT THE SPAMMERS OUT OF BUSINESS FOREVER!!! > > 12. Finally, and here was the key to Enlow's strategy: SPAM THE SHIT > OUT OF USENET. Spam every group, but especially the porn groups. Spam > forever, and you will always have a market for the UCE. Spinoza even > suggested spamming Nazi images all over the place--man, I'll bet the > Jewish online community would knock your door down to get a copy of > NewsAgent. Just make sure anyone can operate it--it must be simple to > use. > > Enlow got about 8000 people to download his bot using just a part of > this marketing strategy. By constantly changing ISPs, you can continue > to make money for a long time, Hipcrime. > > Of course, I have always agreed with those that said if everyone had a > cancelbot, the whole system that we hate so much would crash under its > own dead weight and failed philosophy. > > SP > > > Our little hacks-list could use an income. > > All income, HipCrime, should go to the creator of the software. If that > was you, alone, then I am willing to help you in any way, without > desiring any compensation, because when everyone has a cancelbot, USENET > will be in a state of anarchy, and thus, new leaders will rise to the > forefront, and of course, Dave and Steve have said all along that there > must be no forged cancels of posts. > > You have USENET in the palm of your hands, it would seem, HipCrime. > Enlow let his opportunity slip away. > > SP > > > ... HipCrime ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Fri May 08 23:42:42 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04239; Fri, 8 May 1998 23:44:01 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id XAA09908; Fri, 8 May 1998 23:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08674; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:43:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199805090343.WAA08674@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: STUKACH 1.0/HipCrime To: hipcrime@mobsters.com Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:43:33 -0500 (CDT) Cc: sp@pgh.org, boursy@earthlink.net, drg@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: <199805081515.LAA12701@www3.localweb.com> from "HipCrime International, unLtd." at May 8, 98 07:24:26 pm From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 333 HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > NewsAgent is actually a new kind of NNTP Client. Any other ideas? > I have a cool bot idea that I have for the time being code-named STUKACH 1.0. STUKACH 1.0 is a typical piece of Assault Software. It may take me some time to write it. But it is going to be fun. - Igor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 02:27:31 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04842; Fri, 8 May 1998 23:52:09 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id XAA10406; Fri, 8 May 1998 23:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08771; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:48:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199805090348.WAA08771@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: Re: newsgroups To: hipcrime@mobsters.com Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:48:39 -0500 (CDT) Cc: drg@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: <199805081648.MAA24805@www3.localweb.com> from "HipCrime International, unLtd." at May 8, 98 10:15:55 pm From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 435 > P.S. any of you other hacks know anything about the > NNTP XHDR command? Been typing commands into > the daemon via telnet, trying to figure out a > way to grab partial sets of headers; but that > is like shooting in the dark. Maybe it's time > for me to read an RFC or a manual or something. > Anybody know which RFC that'd be? > (-: RTM? RTFM! :-) i think rfc977. - Igor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 02:27:32 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA08312 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 00:35:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199805090435.AAA08312@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 80129 via TCP with SMTP; Fri, 08 May 1998 23:27:53 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "S.P." Subject: Re: Compuserve hunts the Rogue Canceller. Latest post Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:03:56 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 4579 Hi S.P... Sure would like to find IRS, to get some server info and help. CompuServe can divulge my info if they want to, because first, that was my employer's account, and second, my residence is NOT in the USSA. Don't think Lewis, Skirvie, or any of them'll go all the way to Asia, just to find me. Can make throwaway accounts here, like you can in the USSA. Sure do wish DR. G. would setup a tossable CIS account for me to use over here. He said he might be doing that soon (i.e. after the MSN one gets shut down). ... HipCrime ---------- > From: S.P. > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: ISP_Ratings ; Dr.G ; dave@jetcafe.org; clown@pgh.org; 007@pgh.org; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Compuserve hunts the Rogue Canceller. Latest post > Date: Saturday, May 09, 1998 12:44 PM > > HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > > Hi Dr. G... > > > > This means my work-dialup might get canned. > > If someone could get hold of IRS Agent, then you could find all the best > resources to proxy and post through, and to spoof. You can also try > opening a 30 day throw-away account with your telephone company, as they > are a telco, and cannot communicate with cabal members like Compuserve > did. Also, if you are going to beta-test NewsAgent, test it on a test > group--that way, no one will complain to your ISP, and the cabal will > not even know you are at work for some time. Don't beta test on > news.admin groups or the ones you chose, if you wish to keep a low > profile. > > Also, make sure that Compuserve doesn't disclose your account info to > the cabal, as they will hunt you wherever you go on the net. Call > Compuserve and demand that they keep your info private, tell them, as > you have been threatened recently, and will hold them responsilbe if > info is released. Or, just close your account now, because they will > probably find you, and once an account is closed, there are certain > protections you can demand from them regarding your information. But be > sure--this Compuserve asshole is going to tell Lewis it was so-and-so if > he finds who did the cancels. > > SP > > > Damn. Sure could use access to that MSN > > account, or if there's no numbers in my > > area, a throwaway CIS account would be > > superly-nice. They've for sure got some > > dial-ins on this side of the world, and > > my scripts, etc. to login through them > > are already working. > > > > ... HipCrime > > > > ---------- > > > From: S.P. > > > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > > > Cc: ISP_Ratings ; Dr.G ; > > dave@jetcafe.org; clown@pgh.org; 007@pgh.org; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; > > boursy@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org > > > Subject: Compuserve hunts the Rogue Canceller. Latest post > > > Date: Saturday, May 09, 1998 8:30 AM > > > > > > Here is the latest post in reply to Compuserve's J. Donavan Stanley's > > > promise to track down the perpetrator. > > > > > > Wonder what they will say to their customers who start cancelling spam > > > with NewsAgent. > > > > > > SP > > > > > > -- > > > >From - Fri May 08 19:55:15 1998 > > > NNTP-Posting-Host: fluffy.meow.org > > > Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,alt.flame > > > Subject: Re: Rogue cancels apparently from CompuServe > > > References: > > > > > > From: Fluffy > > > Organization: Kobiyaki is eels! > > > X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.6.4meow/Emacs 19.34 > > > Date: 08 May 1998 18:55:14 -0400 > > > Message-ID: <87ogx8nzjh.meow@fluffy.meow.org> > > > Lines: 9 > > > X-Server-Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 22:55:17 GMT > > > Path: > > > > > news!global-news-master!newsfeed.concentric.net!nntp.giganews.com!feed2.news > > .erols.com!erols!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!ne > > ws.sprintlink.net!206.243.167.19!fluffy.meow.org!news > > > Xref: news alt.flame:545377 news.admin.net-abuse.usenet:114711 > > > > > > "J. Donavan Stanley" writes: > > > > > > > Consider it done. Outgoing cancels are blocked while I track down this > > twit > > > > and have him dealt with . > > > > > > Cool. Thanks! > > > > > > -- > > > "None of this would be necessary if you'd just meow." --Fido ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 02:27:28 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04558; Fri, 8 May 1998 23:48:58 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id XAA10355; Fri, 8 May 1998 23:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08717; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:45:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199805090345.WAA08717@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: Re: Syncrypt Software To: drg@pgh.org (Dr.G) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:45:47 -0500 (CDT) Cc: 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, drg@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: from "Dr.G" at May 8, 98 10:40:13 am From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2855 This is most probably crap. igor Dr.G wrote: > > Here is some new encryption software. > > Does the Government have a "back door" to this > stuff also? > > I will respond to the developer and ask him. > > -JG > > On Thu, 7 May 1998, David Krane wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 23:21:33 -0700 > > From: David Krane > > To: "Dr.G" > > Subject: Re: Download from SynData Technologies > > > > No, just Windows 3.1, 95, and NT. > > > > Expect a Unix version of SynCrypt near the end of this year. > > > > Best regards, > > > > David :-) > > > > > > At 06:44 PM 5/6/98 -0400, you wrote: > > >Does this work on UNIX? > > > > > >-DrG > > > > > >On Wed, 6 May 1998, SynData Information wrote: > > > > > >> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 18:24:43 -0400 > > >> From: SynData Information > > >> To: drg@pgh.org > > >> Subject: Download from SynData Technologies > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> May 6, 1998 > > >> > > >> > > >> Dear Doctor, > > >> > > >> > > >> Thank you for your interest in SynCrypt(TM), the most powerful and > > easiest-to- > > >> use file and email encryption software available. 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Now is the time to begin securing all your confidential files and > > >> email. > > >> > > >> Sincerely, > > >> > > >> David Romanoff > > >> President and CEO > > >> SynData Technologies, Inc. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\QuickStart52.doc" > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > David Krane > > Director of Marketing > > SynData Technologies, Inc. > > 415.442.5044 - voice > > 415.442.5049 - fax > > dkrane@syndata.com > > http://www.syndata.com <--- FREE: File & e-mail encryption made easy... > > > - Igor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 02:27:27 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04493; Fri, 8 May 1998 23:47:53 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id XAA10353; Fri, 8 May 1998 23:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08704; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:45:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199805090345.WAA08704@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: Re: 2.02 Chain of Command To: drg@pgh.org (Dr.G) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:45:06 -0500 (CDT) Cc: clown@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: from "Dr.G" at May 8, 98 10:15:01 am From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 385 Dr.G wrote: > We must distinguish between DOS attacks and the newer > "teardrop" (open inquiry) stalingrad type attacks. > > What is the -name- for yours, Igor? Brest. (not breast) Brest is a place of another heroic battle between russians and nazis, and it predates Stalingrad, just as my program predated (and inspired) Dr. Dimitri Vulis KOTM's Stalingrad. - Igor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:24 1998 Return-Path: boursy@earthlink.net Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA29011 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 06:37:42 -0400 Received: from prosac (1Cust65.tnt6.bos2.da.uu.net [153.36.117.65]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA06947; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805091037.DAA06947@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: boursy@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 06:40:28 -0400 To: "S.P." From: ISP_Ratings Subject: Re: austin.internet post In-Reply-To: <35540000.236D@pgh.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 5671 At 12:04 AM 5/9/98 -0700, S.P. wrote: > >I sent a copy off to you, Steve. It is not a big issue. Well--it's certainly an important one to resolve. Let's see what John says about it. As to austin.internet I sort of encouraged him to send a few posts that way. It wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't John that posted it--you've got that Star Traveler Too, etc. over there. In any event it has to be stopped regardless of what group is involved. By the way there are some good potential recruits in that Austin group--they're doing a bang up job crossposting into news.admin.censorship. >No, I doubt one can be sure of anything on USENET. In my opinon, from >reading the headers, and the fact that Dr. Fomin posted from the same IP >address moments later, that it was probably Dr. G. Could be--but Grubor was never Dr. Fomin--in fact that tends to point it elsewhere as John didn't know much about that. That makes me more concerned actually. >> Well let's straighten it out--Dr. Grubor is >> worth his weight in gold when heavy artillery >> is called for and he's taken many hits over >> the years. > >Yes, but Steve, there is a bigger picture to consider. You are in a >great position to become even more influential than you already >are--influential way beyond USENET. There will be many others who are >equally talented or more so than Dr. G. True--but remember the relationship you have with John is fairly new. Mine goes back quite a few years through quite a few battles. I stand by friends through thick and thin and wouldn't give him up for fame, power, or glory (maybe for unlimited choice of pussy but I doubt it). >This HipCrime person seems very motivated. I like Dr. G-- >however, from a purely impassionate perspective, I believe he >has difficulty controlling his passion, Very true. Which is why he can always be a guage of free speech. We don't want to allow others to control anothers pashions online regardless of what they might be. >as the cabal constantly baits him about his difficulties in the past. Yes--but reflects poorly on them not him (and also the readers that it affects). You see while I'm concerned with victory and am willing to make tradeoffs and concessions to achieve that I'd rather loose that win via abandoning certain concepts. For example, if John did his time in jail that means he's got a free slate in this country and I've contempt for those who bring it up. Rather than go on the defensive we need to point out the lack of moral fiber of those who keep bringing it up rather than discuss issues. >Dr. G should consider retiring from USENET for a time, and focusing >on his far more valuable work with the young hacks, bringing them >along and nurturing them. I have researched his record--and it is all true. Yes--but the past is the past and what matters is what one is now and what one has the potential to become. I imagine because of his past (serving time must be a nightmare) that he's got some type of post tramatic stress to cope with and that usenet helps a great deal. >This error in judgement on his part years ago, qualifies Dr. G to guide a >group of underground hacks writing attack programs, but disqualifies him >from a public role in your fight against net-abuse, as your opponents >will seek political gain by discrediting your associates. You Quite honestly if I were running for Congress I'd ask him to join my campaign and spit in the face of any reporter who brought it up. >understand politics better than most. Personal feelings are best put >aside. No can do. >Even Dr. G talks about how he could care less about USENET. > >For now, I will assume for the sake of harmony that someone forged the >post in question. But perhaps, by gentle persuasion, you can convince >Dr. G to devote his valuable time and energy to bringing along HipCrime >and the other hacks, for this time, there seems to be some real >momentum. Now you see there's an area that I've reservations about. I can see it's utility and perhaps necessity but it does bother me a bit. >Let's just put this issue aside from now. If it was not for the >newsgroup, I could have cared less about it in the first place. Well I care when someone does it to me. Hopefully it was an isolated incident and we can nip it in the bud. >BTW, I have never seen a time when you were so well read at nanau. >You and Dave have done some damage to the cabal, and they know >that lurkers and newbies are reading you. Lewis and Sam must have >been working together, trying to bait you into losing your cool, You're right about Sam--he followed up on me again last night immediately. He's got some type of mechinism that alerts him because he does it day and night. But I'd pay him to do what he's doing :>. >and they failed. >Now they are picking on Dr. G, as evidenced by Phoenix's post, Yes--Phoenix is an evil bastard. >and associating Dr. G with you and Dave, in their effort to get >people to stop replying to you both. That's OK--I really am fine with that association. People don't like to see you cut your friends loose. >Keep them going. It appears that you have almost won over >a great many moderates. You might consider eventually carrying >that momentum over to the web, That will be the way to go for us--who is best qualified remains to be seen. Daves got all the cabal with half a brain tied up in debate! Enjoy, Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:26 1998 Return-Path: boursy@earthlink.net Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA29350; Sat, 9 May 1998 06:42:57 -0400 Received: from prosac (1Cust65.tnt6.bos2.da.uu.net [153.36.117.65]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA07861; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805091043.DAA07861@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: boursy@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 06:45:44 -0400 To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: ISP_Ratings Subject: Re: Compuserve hunts the Rogue Canceller. Latest post Cc: "S.P." , "Dr.G" , , , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , In-Reply-To: <199805090248.TAA02509@slovakia.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 517 HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > >Hi Dr. G... > >This means my work-dialup might get canned. > >Damn. Sure could use access to that MSN >account, or if there's no numbers in my >area, a throwaway CIS account would be >superly-nice. They've for sure got some What area are you looking for? Of all the dial-up accounts I've tried MSN is by far the most reliable--one of the few honest ones as well regarding 'unlimited' service--they never time you out. Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:28 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA02549; Sat, 9 May 1998 08:33:24 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 08:33:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: clown@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org Subject: Re: Hack's Business In-Reply-To: <3553719A.698F@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1585 On Fri, 8 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 13:56:58 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: clown@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Hack's Business > > Dr.G wrote: > > > > Now we all must start making some MONEY out of this, and if > > I get a contract to KILL an ISP because they carry child porn, > > then it is BUSINESS! > > Dr. G, I respectfully suggest that you consider discussing with the > hacks the proper ways to approach potential clients. There are strong > right-wing, Christian groups that no doubt would pay you to wipe out > child porn/exploitation on the net. If this is something that is of > interest to the hacks, I propose to contact these groups, after a > preliminary and successfull attack, to determine their interest. They > will be interested in taking down AT&T or Sprint, which do not block > pedo groups, but who censor us for making unpopular posts at the fucking > news.admin ngs. If AT&T or Sprint want to be common carriers, they > should stay out of USENET--and that means, they must ignore ALL future > Lewis/cabal complaints about USENET spammers and so called net-abusers. > If any of them are interested, just refer them to the Law Systems Institute at lsi@pgh.org -- they are the official entity for running the hacking business. It sounds a lot better to people when they are getting free Lawyers involved, and I have tons of them. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:29 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA03072; Sat, 9 May 1998 08:45:13 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 08:45:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: hipcrime@pgh.org cc: "S.P." , clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: NewsAgent/Enlow's Experience with the UCE cancelbot In-Reply-To: <199805081846.OAA08002@www3.localweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 253 On Sat, 9 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > P.P.S. Anybody know how to contact IRSagent? Sure > do need some info on open NNTP servers, to > continue testing in safety. > IRSagent is now going by APL. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:30 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA03259; Sat, 9 May 1998 08:49:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 08:49:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: ISP_Ratings , clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Who posted from pgh.org/Dejanews today? In-Reply-To: <3553824F.6591@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 1901 On Fri, 8 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 15:08:15 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: ISP_Ratings > Cc: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" , > "Dr.G" , dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Who posted from pgh.org/Dejanews today? > > It is not a big deal, posting from pgh.org via Dejanews. But the > posting party was an experiment to see how well the hacks could > coordinate their efforts. Now, already Guy Polis has posted about > whoever posted from pgh.org and that pgh.org was not UDPd by Dejanews > after all. > There are more than just hacks on the pgh.org. I have two wives, eight kids and about 10 lawyers on that domain, besides you hacks. > I had the whole thing set-up: if we can't all work together on a simple > posting party to USENET, how are we going to work together on large and > important projects. Also, what is the point of cancelling nanae, a > group nobody even cares about, when media attention is to be had if > everything is coordinated by cancelling or, as Steve wisely counsels, > flooding porn newsgroups to focus media attention on large, corrupt and > censorious corporate ISPs like AT&T. > > If the goal is to influence the larger community, then personal grudges > and feelings have to be sublimated, or trolls like Phoenix will have us > jumping through their hoops, replying to thier obvious attempts to make > people do foolish things. > > SP The trick is to ATTACK the newsgroups and ISPs and to stop being such wimps. We can not worry what the media thinks, since they are really a nobody out here in cyberspace. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:32 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA03668; Sat, 9 May 1998 08:57:20 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 08:57:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: TRIM addresses/Re: NewsAgent/Enlow's Experience *** In-Reply-To: <3553911F.40A4@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1069 always trim all addresses except the pgh.org ones when you send. that makes this list secure when you send all responses ONLY to pgh.org addresses. On Fri, 8 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > > The serial numbers were on Dr. G's pgh.org server, as IRS sent me a > reply to the serial numbers, or it was Enlow who sent them to my old > S.P.@pgh.org address. Dr. G, can the old email be retrieved from the > server? nope. If not, I'll see if Enlow will give me one more for HipCrime. > > > ... HipCrime > > IRSagent is still posting. IRS can also tell you more about the UCE and > offer you the serial numbers. I think IRS may have kept in touch with > Vulis--but I don't know. > IrsAgent is now APL and he is on the F-K list. > I'll email Enlow and see if I can get another serial number for your > UCE, but I won't mention that it is for you, so you can't be identified > if you test the UCE on USENET, since it would be the only copy operating > in existence. > > SP > If you get ahold of Enlow, tell him to call me. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:33 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA03923; Sat, 9 May 1998 09:01:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:01:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: hipcrime@pgh.org cc: clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, "S.P." Subject: Re: NewsAgent v0.03 In-Reply-To: <199805082025.QAA21302@www3.localweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1306 remember to CUT all non-pgh.org addresses in all replies. On Sat, 9 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 01:49:31 +0530 > From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: ISP_Ratings , dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, > 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, > goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, "S.P." , > Spinoza Ray Prozak > Subject: NewsAgent v0.03 > > Hi Hacks ... > > There's NewsAgent (v0.03) now at the usual location. > I hope this works. The old one did not work. Will this one overwrite the old files when it installs? > It's got some more little bug fixes, and a password > and registration screen. It's in time-limited demo > mode, and'll work for 5 executions before requiring > a password. > > The registration screen displays your unique five digit > "system ID", so if you download it and want a password, > just Email that number to me. There's no charge (yet), > but let's continue the discussion of making this into a > product. Our little hacks-list could use an income. > > ... HipCrime First of all we have to see if it works. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:34 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04069; Sat, 9 May 1998 09:04:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:04:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. In-Reply-To: <3553C279.2549@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 5018 On Fri, 8 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 19:42:01 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: "Dr.G" , ISP_Ratings , > dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, > scumhater@pgh.org, Spinoza Ray Prozak > Subject: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. > > HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > > Hi Hacks ... > > > > There's NewsAgent (v0.03) now at the usual location. > > > > It's got some more little bug fixes, and a password > > and registration screen. It's in time-limited demo > > mode, and'll work for 5 executions before requiring > > a password. > > > > The registration screen displays your unique five digit > > "system ID", so if you download it and want a password, > > just Email that number to me. There's no charge (yet), > > but let's continue the discussion of making this into a > > product. > > Mike Enlow's marketing plan worked, and I would respectfully suggest, > HipCrime, that you either adopt his, or improve upon it, if possible. > > I suggest that you: > > 1. Create an easy to use, graphical interface, and place a screeshot > of it at the host website. > > 2. Advertise at the website, that NewsAgent is a powerful, > spam-fighting tool. > > 3. Tell people that until NewsAgent, only an ELITE few have had the > power to fight the "hated" spammers. > > 4. Explain how simple to use NewsAgent is. > It is not simple and it does not even work! > 5. Ask people to send a valid email address to you, before making > NewsAgent available for download. In this way, you can see who is > interested in your product, and identify the cabal as well. Tell all > NewsAgent seeks beta testers. > > 6. Spam USENET porn and warez groups the day you make Newsagent > available for download. > > 7. Before your site is closed down, many people will have downloaded > NewsAgent. > > 8. Move the site again, and continue to spam USENET with the new URL > information, and blame your ISP as helping spammers close your previous > website, so that more people will go and download NewsAgent to seek > revenge on the hated spammers. > > 9. When you have, hopefully several thousand valid email addresses, > or even many more, from those who downloaded NewsAgent, send email and > inform people how to get a serial number to enable the program, by > visiting a URL. Remember, no ISP can close you down for giving out > serial numbers. > > 10. Invite people to send money orders to pay for the serial number, > if you have an address of a freind's business who will let you use it, > or set up a secure payment system with an ISP, who does not care what > you are selling. ISPs that host porn sites are good candidates. In > fact, don't even tell them what you are selling--let them think it is an > adult website, and that the complaints you are getting are from > christian zealots or censors. > > 11. Blame all disinformation about Trojan Horses and cabal talk about > the lack of quality of Newsagent, as just an attempt by spammers to snow > the people who hate spam, as NewsAgent IS THE FIRST USER FREINDLY > CANCELBOT THAT WILL PUT THE SPAMMERS OUT OF BUSINESS FOREVER!!! > > 12. Finally, and here was the key to Enlow's strategy: SPAM THE SHIT > OUT OF USENET. Spam every group, but especially the porn groups. Spam > forever, and you will always have a market for the UCE. Spinoza even > suggested spamming Nazi images all over the place--man, I'll bet the > Jewish online community would knock your door down to get a copy of > NewsAgent. Just make sure anyone can operate it--it must be simple to > use. > > Enlow got about 8000 people to download his bot using just a part of > this marketing strategy. By constantly changing ISPs, you can continue > to make money for a long time, Hipcrime. > > Of course, I have always agreed with those that said if everyone had a > cancelbot, the whole system that we hate so much would crash under its > own dead weight and failed philosophy. > > SP > > > Our little hacks-list could use an income. > > All income, HipCrime, should go to the creator of the software. If that > was you, alone, then I am willing to help you in any way, without > desiring any compensation, because when everyone has a cancelbot, USENET > will be in a state of anarchy, and thus, new leaders will rise to the > forefront, and of course, Dave and Steve have said all along that there > must be no forged cancels of posts. > > You have USENET in the palm of your hands, it would seem, HipCrime. > Enlow let his opportunity slip away. > > SP > > > ... HipCrime > This is all bullshit as the fucking program does not work! I tried to use it last night and it would not even start! -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:37 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04305; Sat, 9 May 1998 09:08:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:08:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Compuserve hunts the Rogue Canceller. Latest post In-Reply-To: <3553C6D7.7832@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2134 remember, there should be only 11 addresses in each email, and they must ALL be pgh.org addresses. that is the only security feature for this list that is unbreakable, as NOBODY really know the expanded addresses. On Fri, 8 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 20:00:39 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: ISP_Ratings , "Dr.G" , > dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, > scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Compuserve hunts the Rogue Canceller. Latest post > > Here is the latest post in reply to Compuserve's J. Donavan Stanley's > promise to track down the perpetrator. > Just tell them that I did it. > Wonder what they will say to their customers who start cancelling spam > with NewsAgent. > > SP > Have you used NewsAgent yet? Has ANYBODY made it work yet? -JG > -- > >From - Fri May 08 19:55:15 1998 > NNTP-Posting-Host: fluffy.meow.org > Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,alt.flame > Subject: Re: Rogue cancels apparently from CompuServe > References: > > From: Fluffy > Organization: Kobiyaki is eels! > X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.6.4meow/Emacs 19.34 > Date: 08 May 1998 18:55:14 -0400 > Message-ID: <87ogx8nzjh.meow@fluffy.meow.org> > Lines: 9 > X-Server-Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 22:55:17 GMT > Path: > news!global-news-master!newsfeed.concentric.net!nntp.giganews.com!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!206.243.167.19!fluffy.meow.org!news > Xref: news alt.flame:545377 news.admin.net-abuse.usenet:114711 > > "J. Donavan Stanley" writes: > > > Consider it done. Outgoing cancels are blocked while I track down this twit > > and have him dealt with . > > Cool. Thanks! > > -- > "None of this would be necessary if you'd just meow." --Fido > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:38 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04461; Sat, 9 May 1998 09:11:27 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:11:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: boursy@earthlink.net, dave@jetcafe.org Subject: Re: SP forge usenet/dejanews account/austin.internet In-Reply-To: <3553CACE.23CA@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 912 On Fri, 8 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 20:17:34 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: drg@pgh.org > Cc: boursy@earthlink.net, dave@jetcafe.org > Subject: SP forge usenet/dejanews account/austin.internet > > Dr. G, > > I see that someone is posting to austin.internet, my hometown group, > using your usenet@grubor/dejanews account. > > Please ask whoever it is to stop at once, or I am out of the hacks > list for good, as no one had better think to forge my handle in my local > group and get away with it. > > I will not participate in the hacks list any longer, until this > forgery stops. > > SP > SP, the rule is that anybody can always post through that address using any name that they want. There are dozens of people who have that eatcunt password and I can never tell who uses it. usenet@grubor.net is the ultimate anon posting. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:40 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04653; Sat, 9 May 1998 09:14:44 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:14:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: boursy@pgh.org cc: "S.P." , 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org Subject: 1.02 Call for debate about newsgroups *** In-Reply-To: <355ca0d7.6466433@mail.alt.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 4542 all non-pgh.org addresses removed... On Sat, 9 May 1998, ISP Ratings wrote: > Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 00:26:59 GMT > From: ISP Ratings <'boursy@alt.net> > Reply-To: boursy@alt.net > To: Spinoza Ray Prozak > > -howdy, > > Greetings. > - > -> > -> Rather than cancel the posts why not flood the groups with > ->statements regarding what ISPs seem to view as acceptable > ->and what they do not--it would lead some to conclude they > ->are pedophiles by preference. > - > -Put up a copy of their TOS in GIF format and name it 'teenlust.gif' > - > > I like it!!! > > - > -> I can understand your reasoning on the cancels given > ->the context but I'm a differing opinion--if we issue cancels > ->the media attention won't be worth it in the long run as we'll be > ->doing what they are doing--forging cancels. Better to flood > ->the groups so they become unusable and let the cabal issue their > ->cancels--then the groups can become flooded with messages > ->regarding their forgery and their defense of pedophiles, etc. > - > -Especially since the T.I.N.C.L. folks have admitted their cancels are > -useless and declared a moratorium. > - > ->>However, if media coverage is ever a consideration to any hack, > ->>I think much pressure can be placed upon ISPs who do not block > ->>child porn newsgroups--but who in turn censor us for simply posting > ->>contrary opinions to cabal newsgroups. > -> > -> That's the perfect message to flood the groups with--let the > ->cabal do the dirty work--we know they will. > - > -We can programmatically generate boring and useless but commercially > -viable opinions, including cascades. > > You mean repost all the cabals own messages? > > - > -> My suggestion though is to not just flood the kiddie porn > ->groups but the most popular porn groups in general. This > ->will cause a host of complaints from customers and as we know > ->most ISPs hate complaints--porn is their bread and butter. > ->Or repost their own porn over and over again and crosspost > ->it to rec.pet.cats, etc. > - > -Fuck reposting real porn; post pictures of Adolf Hitler named > -things like 16slut.jpg like KCUF airmaster did. > > Exactly!! > > - > ->>Many people, Steve, have spoken about how corrupt ISPs want to act > ->>as common carriers, but also want to enforce their fucking AUP/TOS > ->>bullshit. What is your opinion? > -> > -> I don' t even read TOS and consider them bullshit--what's advertised > ->initially is all that matters legally and ethically. I think those who try > ->to qualify terms like unlimited are crooked and have no value as > ->human beings (and you can extend that as far as you like--it's > ->heartfelf). > - > -"Murder murder murder > - Please excuse my retribution > - Murder murder murder > - She will reincarnate" > > I've no problem with ending this shit with a > massive cancellation of everything--if that's > going to happen the weapon should be given > to all first though. Send the fucker to > the Christian Coalition types against porn, > post where to get it via ftp in alt.christnet, > alt.scientology, etc. Then we can just > sit back and watch--they'll be no need for > any here to actually issue a cancel. > > - > -> Personally I'd rather see the porn sites flooded and let them > ->do the cancelling. Another option would be a bot that reposts porn > ->to the big eight heirarchy. I know others will differ on the cancel > ->thing and that's what makes the world go round. > - > -Attacking porn is a good way to grab the Net by its balls. No one wants to > -admit that America is funding the Internet through the masturbation of the > -working "stiff." Most traffic I've seen is porn (esp. after 9 pm) and most > -random clients for web developers want adult sites :( > > Yup-cut off the porn and the customers stop paying the $20 bucks > a month. > > -I hate the shit at this point, but think the reason we should attack it is > -that it - like the hand of fascism behind morality - is a dirty secret of > -society, "dirty" because they deny it and a secret because it would > -corrupt all of their righteousness. > > Shit--I like porn--especially the asians. > > - > -I AM THE FIST IN THE EYE OF GOD > > A Shotgun is needed. > > Steve > And get you shovel out also. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:42 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04902; Sat, 9 May 1998 09:17:32 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:17:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: boursy@pgh.org cc: "S.P." , clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, DSA Computers Subject: 3.04/Hack's Business In-Reply-To: <355da34f.7098640@mail.alt.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1278 alway remember to add goat... On Sat, 9 May 1998, ISP Ratings wrote: > Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 00:31:43 GMT > From: ISP Ratings > To: "S.P." > Cc: "Dr.G" , clown@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, 007@pgh.org, > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Hack's Business > > S.P. wrote: > > -Dr.G wrote: > - > - > -> Now we all must start making some MONEY out of this, and if > -> I get a contract to KILL an ISP because they carry child porn, > -> then it is BUSINESS! > - > -Dr. G, I respectfully suggest that you consider discussing with the > -hacks the proper ways to approach potential clients. There are strong > -right-wing, Christian groups that no doubt would pay you to wipe out > -child porn/exploitation on the net. > > Or they'd do it themselves if given or sold the tool and this one is > something even a Christian could handle. That would be perfect > for the media as well which you keep pointing out is so important > to the solution > > Steve > Steve, you keep talking about the media like they are important to us. I think of them as meaningless. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:44 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA05444; Sat, 9 May 1998 09:25:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:25:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, drg , goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Bookmarked Dejanews forge of SP at austin.internet In-Reply-To: <3553CD2C.4366@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0019 Content-Length: 1645 On Fri, 8 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 20:27:41 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: boursy@alt.net > Cc: dave@jetcafe.org, drg@pgh.org > Subject: Bookmarked Dejanews forge of SP at austin.internet > > Steve, > > Somebody is forging me at austin.internet. Nobody meant to forge you, as SP is thought to be a public name, just like kibo or Dr. Fomin. It was probably one of my kids, or maybe one of the hacks. See this bookmark for the > post. I have decided to not participate in the hacks list until the > person, and I have a good idea who did it after reading the post, agrees > to stop forging me. It was not a forgery at the usenet address since anybody is allowed to say anything there. Forging SP in an austin newsgroup from > usenet@grubot at Dejanews is a major turn off to me, and if some people, > perhaps even Dr. Grubor, cannot post and forge someone else, rather than > a freind, then I will have nothing to do with the hacks list. > SP, get used to it. They forge Steve and me all of the time. {;-)-~ > If Dr. G posted this, I ask him to apologize in private email to me. I do not know who posted this and really have no way of finding out. > If we are going to do anything constructive, some people have to move > beyond this kind of bullshit. > > SP > > > Bookmark of forge: > http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=351438139 > Just what did the Article say? In reality, if they did not use your sp@pgh.org address, then it is no "forgery." ANYTHING is permitted at the anon address, and that is the way it must be. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:45 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA05880; Sat, 9 May 1998 09:30:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:30:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: hipcrime@pgh.org cc: "S.P." , clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Compuserve hunts the Rogue Canceller. Latest post In-Reply-To: <199805090246.WAA31483@www3.localweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 841 On Sat, 9 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > Subject: Re: Compuserve hunts the Rogue Canceller. Latest post > > Hi Dr. G... > > This means my work-dialup might get canned. > Only if he finds you. > Damn. Sure could use access to that MSN > account, or if there's no numbers in my > area, a throwaway CIS account would be > superly-nice. I am getting a disposible CIS when the MSN disposible account is closed. They've for sure got some > dial-ins on this side of the world, and > my scripts, etc. to login through them > are already working. > > ... HipCrime > You ought to get with goat, who has access to MSN through a dial-in. He may be able to run the program from MSN, but it never worked for me. I will try to download the new copy. What is the URL again? -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:46 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06132; Sat, 9 May 1998 09:33:25 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:33:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: clown@pgh.org cc: sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: STUKACH 1.0/HipCrime In-Reply-To: <199805090343.WAA08674@manifold.algebra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1016 All non-pgh.org addresses removed. On Fri, 8 May 1998, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:43:33 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" > To: hipcrime@mobsters.com > Cc: sp@pgh.org, boursy@earthlink.net, drg@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, > clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, > dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, > scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: STUKACH 1.0/HipCrime > > HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > > NewsAgent is actually a new kind of NNTP Client. Any other ideas? > > > > I have a cool bot idea that I have for the time being > code-named STUKACH 1.0. > > STUKACH 1.0 is a typical piece of Assault Software. It may take me some > time to write it. But it is going to be fun. > > - Igor. > When you get it going, dial-in to the MSN account and see if it works. You have the password on that account, and I am sure MSN has a dial-in near you. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:48 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06346; Sat, 9 May 1998 09:36:16 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:36:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: clown@pgh.org cc: sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org Subject: Brest/Re: 2.02 Chain of Command In-Reply-To: <199805090345.WAA08704@manifold.algebra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 807 On Fri, 8 May 1998, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:45:06 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" > To: "Dr.G" > Dr.G wrote: > > We must distinguish between DOS attacks and the newer > > "teardrop" (open inquiry) stalingrad type attacks. > > > > What is the -name- for yours, Igor? > > Brest. (not breast) > > Brest is a place of another heroic battle between russians and nazis, > and it predates Stalingrad, just as my program predated (and inspired) > Dr. Dimitri Vulis KOTM's Stalingrad. > > - Igor. > Fine, but does it WORK? If it does work, dial in to the MSN account and see if it runs. I have the program, but have no idea how to run it. The dial-in script for the MSN account is MSN/eureka11 -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:49 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06882; Sat, 9 May 1998 09:43:24 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:43:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Compuserve hunts the Rogue Canceller. Latest post In-Reply-To: <35540253.3EB2@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1893 On Sat, 9 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 00:14:27 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: ISP_Ratings , "Dr.G" , > dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, > scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Compuserve hunts the Rogue Canceller. Latest post > > HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > > Hi Dr. G... > > > > This means my work-dialup might get canned. > > If someone could get hold of IRS Agent, then you could find all the best > resources to proxy and post through, and to spoof. IRSagent is Animal Protection League. You can also try > opening a 30 day throw-away account with your telephone company, as they > are a telco, and cannot communicate with cabal members like Compuserve > did. Also, if you are going to beta-test NewsAgent, test it on a test > group--that way, no one will complain to your ISP, and the cabal will > not even know you are at work for some time. Don't beta test on > news.admin groups or the ones you chose, if you wish to keep a low > profile. > > Also, make sure that Compuserve doesn't disclose your account info to > the cabal, as they will hunt you wherever you go on the net. Call > Compuserve and demand that they keep your info private, tell them, as > you have been threatened recently, and will hold them responsilbe if > info is released. Or, just close your account now, because they will > probably find you, and once an account is closed, there are certain > protections you can demand from them regarding your information. But be > sure--this Compuserve asshole is going to tell Lewis it was so-and-so if > he finds who did the cancels. > They could not do anything to hipcrime even if they found him. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:50 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA07299; Sat, 9 May 1998 09:47:26 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:47:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: clown@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org Subject: 4.02 Hack's Business In-Reply-To: <35540C26.1965@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 3016 all non-pgh.org addresses removed... On Sat, 9 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 00:56:22 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: boursy@alt.net > Cc: "Dr.G" , clown@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org, 007@pgh.org, > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Hack's Business > > ISP Ratings wrote: > > > > S.P. wrote: > > > > -Dr.G wrote: > > - > > - > > -> Now we all must start making some MONEY out of this, and if > > -> I get a contract to KILL an ISP because they carry child porn, > > -> then it is BUSINESS! > > - > > -Dr. G, I respectfully suggest that you consider discussing with the > > -hacks the proper ways to approach potential clients. There are strong > > -right-wing, Christian groups that no doubt would pay you to wipe out > > -child porn/exploitation on the net. > > > > Or they'd do it themselves if given or sold the tool and this one is > > something even a Christian could handle. That would be perfect > > for the media as well which you keep pointing out is so important > > to the solution > > Yes, the media is important, and, as the media has virtually no interest > in USENET, due to the reality that the public does not care about > USENET, then, to create interest in the issues, and force ISPs to act > like common carriers and not censors enforcing AUPs on USENET, the pedo > porn newsgroups are the only thing that will get the attention of the > media--and then, only if the ISPs try and stop christian groups ( I am > imaging a species of Southern Baptist) from cancelling these unpopular > newsgroups. > > Then AT&T and other ISPs will be in a difficult situation--as you have > correctly pointed out, Steve, because they are building a large part of > their client base by offering the unrestricted newsfeeds to the porn > groups. That's fine. But they cannot get away with cancelling our > accounts or those of USENET spammers just becuase they violated some > bullshit AUP--while at the same time, serving up a hefty diet of porn to > their customers--hiding all the while behind the pretext of common > carrier. > > If AT&T or Sprint want the protection of common carrier to build their > customer base, then they must stay out of USENET altogether, turn a deaf > ear to Lewis, and stop processing his cancels--allowing the spammers to > run rampant and without harassment. This would also create a huge > market for hipcrime's cancelbot. Anarchy will reign on USENET, and > that's the best thing we can do for it. > > SP > > > Steve > Let's just get the fucking programs to work before we start thinking what we can do with them. So far, I have tested Stalingrad and NewsAgent and neither of them worked. I have not tested Brest because I have no instruction for loading or commands. We have to stop putting the cart before the horse. -JG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:53 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA09478; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:18:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:18:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, drg , goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Subject: GONE until 1400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 303 I am now GONE until 1400 today. If anybody has anything that I must get to at that time, then call me TAX-CUNT number and tell me what email header needs attended to. out. -JG ps: the MSN address is sitting there doing NOTHING right now, so somebody use it for mailbombing or something ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:54 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11263; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:39:56 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id KAA12985; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13379; Sat, 9 May 1998 09:39:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199805091439.JAA13379@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: Re: Brest/Re: 2.02 Chain of Command To: drg@pgh.org (Dr.G) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:39:11 -0500 (CDT) Cc: clown@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: from "Dr.G" at May 9, 98 09:36:16 am From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 290 Dr.G wrote: > Fine, but does it WORK? > > If it does work, dial in to the MSN account and > see if it runs. I have the program, but have no idea > how to run it. > > The dial-in script for the MSN account is MSN/eureka11 O-kay. What is the username and password? - Igor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:57 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA16268; Sat, 9 May 1998 11:49:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199805091549.LAA16268@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 80211 via TCP with SMTP; Sat, 09 May 1998 10:41:36 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "Dr.G" , "S.P." Cc: , , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , Subject: Re: 4.02 Hack's Business Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 21:18:40 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 603 > > Let's just get the fucking programs to work before we start > thinking what we can do with them. > > So far, I have tested Stalingrad and NewsAgent and neither of > them worked. I have not tested Brest because I have no instruction > for loading or commands. > > We have to stop putting the cart before the horse. > > -JG Hi Dr. G... You keep saying NewsAgent doesn't work. Please be specific about what it does, and it'll be my pleasure to help you figure out what the problem is. When you issue the RUN \NewsAgent\NewsAgent command, what happens? ... HipCrime ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Sat May 09 12:58:55 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA15878; Sat, 9 May 1998 11:44:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199805091544.LAA15878@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 80186 via TCP with SMTP; Sat, 09 May 1998 10:36:31 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "Dr.G" , Cc: , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , "S.P." Subject: Re: NewsAgent v0.03 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 21:12:04 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2167 Hi Dr. G ... You said the last one didn't work? What happened? It's running fine from my machine, but remember that this is a very young program, so you can expect a few problems. Once you download all the files, make sure that the DLLs got put in the \Windows\System directory. There'll be a bunch of new files by the name of SC*.DLL. ALso, make sure that NewsAgent.exe went into a \NewsAgent folder. Let me know if it won't run for you. ... HipCrime ---------- > From: Dr.G > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: clown@pgh.org; 007@pgh.org; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org; S.P. > Subject: Re: NewsAgent v0.03 > Date: Saturday, May 09, 1998 6:31 PM > > remember to CUT all non-pgh.org > addresses in all replies. > > On Sat, 9 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 01:49:31 +0530 > > From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." > > To: "Dr.G" > > Cc: ISP_Ratings , dave@jetcafe.org, clown@pgh.org, > > 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, > > goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, "S.P." , > > Spinoza Ray Prozak > > Subject: NewsAgent v0.03 > > > > Hi Hacks ... > > > > There's NewsAgent (v0.03) now at the usual location. > > > > I hope this works. The old one did not work. > > Will this one overwrite the old files when it installs? > > > > It's got some more little bug fixes, and a password > > and registration screen. It's in time-limited demo > > mode, and'll work for 5 executions before requiring > > a password. > > > > The registration screen displays your unique five digit > > "system ID", so if you download it and want a password, > > just Email that number to me. There's no charge (yet), > > but let's continue the discussion of making this into a > > product. Our little hacks-list could use an income. > > > > ... HipCrime > > First of all we have to see if it works. > > -JG From - Sat May 09 21:40:19 1998 Return-Path: boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02649; Sat, 9 May 1998 21:29:01 -0400 Received: from 1Cust40.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net (1Cust40.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.79.40]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26645; Sat, 9 May 1998 18:29:22 -0700 (PDT) From: boursy@alt.net (ISP Ratings) To: "Dr.G" Cc: boursy@pgh.org, "S.P." , clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, DSA Computers Subject: Re: 3.04/Hack's Business Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 01:32:01 GMT Organization: ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <356a025f.44731620@mail.alt.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1150 Dr.G. wrote: - -alway remember to add goat... Will do. - -On Sat, 9 May 1998, ISP Ratings wrote: -=20 -> Or they'd do it themselves if given or sold the tool and this one = is=20 -> something even a Christian could handle. That would be perfect -> for the media as well which you keep pointing out is so important -> to the solution - -Steve, you keep talking about the media like they are -important to us. I think of them as meaningless. You may be right but they've had a powerful influence offline on the spam issue (which gives them the=20 excuse for cancels and filtering). The average reader of newspapers and mags. is not well versed on what is going on and presently the media swallows the cabal party line--this has an influence especially on legislation in this area that will no doubt keep cropping up. In terms of using the porn weapon to get ISPs to knock off their bullshit the media can be an extremely powerful ally--they have a standard and mindless knee jerk reaction to porn especially if given the keywords 'kiddie porn'. Steve - --JG - __________________________________________________ From - Sat May 09 22:04:17 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA04453; Sat, 9 May 1998 21:49:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199805100149.VAA04453@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 80268 via TCP with SMTP; Sat, 09 May 1998 20:41:50 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "Dr.G" Cc: , "S.P." , , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , "DSA Computers" Subject: NewsAgent v0.04 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 07:18:41 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 347 Hi Hacks ... There's a new version of NewsAgent at the regular location now, and v0.04 *will* be able to cancel-out N.A.N.A.E/U, so somebody who can access that throwaway MSN account please try it. Dr G, did you ever get it to run? If NOT, please let me know what happened, so we can figure out what's wrong. ... HipCrime __________________________________________________ From - Sat May 09 22:27:24 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06646; Sat, 9 May 1998 22:15:04 -0400 Received: from satan (p17.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.62]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA26921; Sat, 9 May 1998 19:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980509191350.00a5736c@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 19:14:00 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Request Mission Statement(s) Cc: boursy@pgh.org, "Dr.G" , clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, DSA Computers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1462 S.P., Thanks for excellent comments. You have hit on some issues here I find should be addressed: that we not sell each other out (re: PGH.ORG post), and that we treat each other with respect (re: HipCrime!). I admit I have been slack in this regard, in that I fire off 50 emails one day and the next am overwhelmed. Right now I'm mid-project and can't imagine tackling this load. However, I think rumination on valuable ideas does not necessarily produce a tangible product at first - so let me (for now) only thank you and the other members of this list for your heartfelt and invaluable contributions. Sinsemilla, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 01:11:46 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13962; Sat, 9 May 1998 23:40:12 -0400 Received: from satan (p17.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.32]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA20163; Sat, 9 May 1998 20:39:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980509203727.01744824@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 20:39:02 -0700 To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: NewsAgent v0.04 Cc: "Dr.G" , , "S.P." , , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , "DSA Computers" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1605 howdy, >There's a new version of NewsAgent at the >regular location now, and v0.04 *will* be >able to cancel-out N.A.N.A.E/U, so somebody >who can access that throwaway MSN account >please try it. > >Dr G, did you ever get it to run? If NOT, >please let me know what happened, so we can >figure out what's wrong. I am a week or so away from having my backup machine working - I try to keep this one with as clean a DLL profile as possible, considering the shit it has to run. Once I have that up and running I'm up for some kind of action, although my cancels will probably be limited to a strike against the fundaments of the capitalist system - striking down the porn groups that pay for net traffic with the millions of sheep who masturbate. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 01:11:50 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA14535; Sat, 9 May 1998 23:46:46 -0400 Received: from satan (p17.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.32]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA20357; Sat, 9 May 1998 20:45:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980509204220.00a7f724@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 20:45:40 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: 3.04/Hack's Business Cc: boursy@pgh.org, "S.P." , clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, DSA Computers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1117 howdy, >Steve, you keep talking about the media like they are >important to us. I think of them as meaningless. The media's a tool like anything else; they can amplify our efforts without ever knowing what we do. Take inspiration from Joseph Goebbels and Ho Chi Minh! take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 05:16:25 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA31485; Sun, 10 May 1998 04:30:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199805100830.EAA31485@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 80308 via TCP with SMTP; Sun, 10 May 1998 03:21:13 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "Dr.G" , "Spinoza Ray Prozak" Cc: "S.P." , , , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:57:13 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2043 Hi again Spin ... Thanks for the appropriate response. Yes, with a program as young as NewsAgent, there's bound to be problems. Will say again: It would be my pleasure to help anybody get this working on their machine. Cabal newsflashes, messages to F-K list from Skirvie, and disappearence of spool contents all serve to confirm that NewsAgent works. ... HipCrime ---------- > From: Spinoza Ray Prozak > To: Dr.G > Cc: S.P. ; hipcrime@pgh.org; clown@pgh.org; 007@pgh.org; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. > Date: Sunday, May 10, 1998 9:15 AM > > howdy, > > >This is all bullshit as the fucking program does not work! > >I tried to use it last night and it would not even start! > > We're all professionals here - a request for aid works just as well. I'm > sure there are difficulties as modern OS's add total complexity to the > situation, but even if it doesn't work on my crate respect to the author - > I haven't gotten off my ass to write one ;)-~ > > love, > SRP > > ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ > ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ > ] | 29A [ > ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ > ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ > ] 47 * > ]-------------------------------------------------------[ > > The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we > disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the > interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free > speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and > we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be > appreciated by our grandchildren. __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:10:58 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA02707; Sun, 10 May 1998 06:28:15 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 06:28:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: clown@pgh.org cc: sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org Subject: Re: Brest/Re: 2.02 Chain of Command In-Reply-To: <199805091439.JAA13379@manifold.algebra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 816 On Sat, 9 May 1998, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:39:11 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: clown@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, > goat@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Brest/Re: 2.02 Chain of Command > > Dr.G wrote: > > Fine, but does it WORK? > > > > If it does work, dial in to the MSN account and > > see if it runs. I have the program, but have no idea > > how to run it. > > > > The dial-in script for the MSN account is MSN/eureka11 > > O-kay. What is the username and password? > > - Igor. Same as it has always been. eureka11 is the username and the password is 1eureka1 -JG __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:10:59 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA03465; Sun, 10 May 1998 06:49:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 06:49:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: boursy@pgh.org cc: "S.P." , clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, DSA Computers Subject: Re: 3.04/Hack's Business In-Reply-To: <356a025f.44731620@mail.alt.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1075 On Sun, 10 May 1998, ISP Ratings wrote: > > In terms of using the porn weapon to get ISPs > to knock off their bullshit the media can be > an extremely powerful ally--they have a standard > and mindless knee jerk reaction to porn > especially if given the keywords 'kiddie porn'. > > Steve kiddie porn is a bad thing, and therefore one can make money on eliminating it. what I want to do is to start marketing attack software and to use it against some kiddie porn sights. then, it will gain credibility for other uses. I do not want to sell the software, but sell the software PLUS the operators, all of whom will remain unknown. Tell that Compuserve guy that I did the cancels. I want them to blame everything on me. It has LONG been believed by the masses that DOS attacks are illegal, and after examining the Federal Law at length, the only illegality arises when it is a government computer. ANY private computers can be attacked, and there is NO criminal prohibition whatsoever in the Federal Law. -JG __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:00 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA03894; Sun, 10 May 1998 07:06:31 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 07:06:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, DSA Computers Subject: Re: Request Mission Statement(s) In-Reply-To: <355534F3.1A8D@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 5289 On Sat, 9 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 22:02:43 -0700 > From: "S.P." > > > -On Sat, 9 May 1998, ISP Ratings wrote: > > - > > -> Or they'd do it themselves if given or sold the tool and this one is > > -> something even a Christian could handle. That would be perfect > > -> for the media as well which you keep pointing out is so important > > -> to the solution > > - > > -Steve, you keep talking about the media like they are > > -important to us. I think of them as meaningless. > > They could be of value to you, Dr. G, for if any of your attacks > generate media interest, more businesses might be interested in hiring > your services for many and wide ranging projects. Media coverage is > much like advertising, and can draw more attention to your business > endeavor. > If that becomes so, then we will consider the prerogatives at that time, but that is a couple of months off. Usenet is a very small part of the world, and most people on the Internet do not even know that Usenet exists. > > You may be right but they've had a powerful influence > > offline on the spam issue (which gives them the > > excuse for cancels and filtering). > That was not "spam" but UCE or UBE that they are trying to regulate, and it has nothing to do with usenet. > Yes, I have worked closely with the media at times, and they are only > interested in covering stories that are of interest to the majority of > their readers. USENET issues such as NoCeM and third-party cancels are > of no interest, but USENET porn is. Sanford Wallace and spam was an > interesting issue, because many newspaper readers were directly effected > by UCE. > Right, but SPAM is not UCE. > > The average > > reader of newspapers and mags. is not well versed > > on what is going on and presently the media > > swallows the cabal party line--this has an influence > > especially on legislation in this area that will no > > doubt keep cropping up. > Any legislation about UCE will have NOTHING to do with Usenet. > I agree, Steve, and also, when the media swallows the cabal party line, > it tends to legitimize the cabal party line as the consensus of USENET, > which it is not. > I have never even hear Rather or Brokoff or Jennings even use the word "Usenet." > > In terms of using the porn weapon to get ISPs > > to knock off their bullshit the media can be > > an extremely powerful ally--they have a standard > > and mindless knee jerk reaction to porn > > especially if given the keywords 'kiddie porn'. > But what do we need them for? Let the kiddie porn flourish, as it will make more business for us. > Yes, and if such media attention will encourage ISPs to behave more like > common carriers, then they will either back away from enforcing AUPs and > behave like good common carriers, or they will back away from > distributing porn on their servers. > Porn, Usenet and UCE ate all very separate issues. Thinks tend to get mixed up here in cyberspace though. > Dr. G raises many good points, Steve, and, it strikes me that there is > both a political mission statement and a purely for profit/hacks mission > statement that, if communicated to the rest of the list, could help us > more clearly understand the goals that are to be attained. > > It appears to me, that Dr. G would like to focus on attack software, and > market his valuable services. On the political side, it seems that > there are political goals to be accomplished, and perhaps the two > missions can compliment each other. > But remember, poitics on Usenet has nothing to do with politics in the real world. Politics on usenet goes way back to when Spafford left, about 5 years ago. > However, it does no good to criticize HipCrime's NewsAgent in such harsh > terms as I have read, as, in the spirit of experiment and design, there > will be many failures leading to sucess. Such harsh criticism can only > eventually fragment the hacks list, and will eventually be the cause of > its demise. criticism is what makes one stronger, because it is the only way to point out the bugs. but you misinterpret "criticism" as far as NewsAgent is concerned. It just did not work on my system. The SOP for the installation is the flaw, and not the program itself. As you have said many times, Steve, our advantage is that > we enjoy what we are doing. If the hacks list developes a for profit > attitude, hell, it will be like going to work every day and dealing with > the boss. I doubt many would wish to get online and be criticised so > harshly as HipCrime has been lately. Why, who said what about him? For me, I am much more attracted > to the political mission than the tainted financial mission of writing > attack software for profit. > Politics only come after money. > Mission statements would help to clarify the purpose of the hacks list. > > SP > > > Steve The mission is to eliminate Chris Lewis's cancels FIRST, and until that is done, nothing else matters. I remember the day before 1994, when Lewis did not do this SHIT, and that is what I want it returned to. -JG From - Sun May 10 15:11:03 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA04025; Sun, 10 May 1998 07:10:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 07:10:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, DSA Computers Subject: Re: Why cancel Dave Hayes and nanau/e? In-Reply-To: <355536D2.443E@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1702 On Sat, 9 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 22:11:20 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: "Dr.G" , boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > DSA Computers > Subject: Why cancel Dave Hayes and nanau/e? > > HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > > Hi Hacks ... > > > > There's a new version of NewsAgent at the > > regular location now, and v0.04 *will* be > > able to cancel-out N.A.N.A.E/U, so somebody > > who can access that throwaway MSN account > > please try it. > > Steve, if nanae/u are cancelled out, will that not turn many of the > moderates you and Dave have worked so hard to cultivate against you, as > they will surely blame the Freedom Knights. The cabal would probably > love for the Freedom Knights to take the blame for cancelling out these > groups, as it would no doubt destroy your momentum. > Blame it all on me. > I suggest that anyone who wishes to cancel a group, cancel > news.admin.censorship, as the cabal will never believe that the Freedom > Knights would cancel that group. I also suggest that when you cancel > nanau, you will be cancelling all of Dave Hayes' posts. > > Therefore, why not cancel, say, alt.binaries.slack or alt.slack? Those > are SPUTUM groups. > Let's cancel them all. I want this poetry festival to be BIGGER than the last one. > > HipCrime, your software does work, and always did work, as I saw the > evidence on concentric's server. > That may be so, but the installation SOP and/or the command syntax is not correct. -JG __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:03 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA04025; Sun, 10 May 1998 07:10:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 07:10:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, DSA Computers Subject: Re: Why cancel Dave Hayes and nanau/e? In-Reply-To: <355536D2.443E@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1702 On Sat, 9 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 22:11:20 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: "Dr.G" , boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > DSA Computers > Subject: Why cancel Dave Hayes and nanau/e? > > HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > > Hi Hacks ... > > > > There's a new version of NewsAgent at the > > regular location now, and v0.04 *will* be > > able to cancel-out N.A.N.A.E/U, so somebody > > who can access that throwaway MSN account > > please try it. > > Steve, if nanae/u are cancelled out, will that not turn many of the > moderates you and Dave have worked so hard to cultivate against you, as > they will surely blame the Freedom Knights. The cabal would probably > love for the Freedom Knights to take the blame for cancelling out these > groups, as it would no doubt destroy your momentum. > Blame it all on me. > I suggest that anyone who wishes to cancel a group, cancel > news.admin.censorship, as the cabal will never believe that the Freedom > Knights would cancel that group. I also suggest that when you cancel > nanau, you will be cancelling all of Dave Hayes' posts. > > Therefore, why not cancel, say, alt.binaries.slack or alt.slack? Those > are SPUTUM groups. > Let's cancel them all. I want this poetry festival to be BIGGER than the last one. > > HipCrime, your software does work, and always did work, as I saw the > evidence on concentric's server. > That may be so, but the installation SOP and/or the command syntax is not correct. -JG __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:04 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA04242; Sun, 10 May 1998 07:15:04 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 07:15:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: goat@pgh.org cc: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, DSA Computers Subject: Re: Why cancel Dave Hayes and nanau/e? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980509203557.00b22624@paranoia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 437 On Sat, 9 May 1998, Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > > Remember how we lost Viet Nam... there was no goal. And remember how > society works: only needs, never goals. > We lost Viet-Nam because of the stupid politics og the 60's and we could have won that war if we did not always have to get "permission" to return fire. Now our first GOAL is to eliminate ehe effectiveness of Chris Lewis. After that we can reassess. -JG __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:05 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA04489; Sun, 10 May 1998 07:22:42 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 07:22:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: Spinoza Ray Prozak cc: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980509204346.00a7eb5c@paranoia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1179 On Sat, 9 May 1998, Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 20:45:44 -0700 > From: Spinoza Ray Prozak > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. > > howdy, > > >This is all bullshit as the fucking program does not work! > >I tried to use it last night and it would not even start! > > We're all professionals here - a request for aid works just as well. I'm > sure there are difficulties as modern OS's add total complexity to the > situation, but even if it doesn't work on my crate respect to the author - > I haven't gotten off my ass to write one ;)-~ Well, it looks like somebody is currently running it on MSN. All I ever got is "cannot find file NewsAgent\NewsAgent.exe or one of it's components." The program did not install. First of all, any download SOP must first specify a desktop folder for the file to be downloaded TO. Then, we need some PATH names to check in DOS. -JG __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:08 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA05841 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 07:55:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199805101155.HAA05841@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 80345 via TCP with SMTP; Sun, 10 May 1998 06:48:05 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "S.P." Subject: Re: NewsAgent Trademark Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 16:53:57 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2249 Hi S.P... NewsAgent is a pretty generic name. My understanding of TradeMark rules, is that you can't stake a claim on simple generic terms. But you can put your name in front of it and then trademark the whole combination. Talked to a lawyer about that, back in the ActiveAgent days. There's actually two companies who have conflicting trademarks on that name, and're embroiled in a court fight with each other. But, by calling my program HipCrime's ActiveAgent, that issue was avoided. By putting my name in front of it (everywhere, everytime) it serves to make a distinction between my AA and their AA. This is a stupid little technicality of the rules, but several lawyers have assured me that's the case. So, my plan was to stick with the name HipCrime's NewsAgent, at least until some problem rears its ugly head which makes me think otherwise. Besides, NewsAgent spawns off little threads called CancelAgents (which helps out with the line about "generic" terms). ActiveAgent is like that. It spawns off ActiveCrawlers, ActiveMailers, ActiveScanners, ActiveFilters, etc. All of them are "HipCrime's", of course. Part of the name thing. ... HipCrime __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:07 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA04686; Sun, 10 May 1998 07:27:44 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 07:27:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: hipcrime@pgh.org cc: "S.P." , clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. In-Reply-To: <199805100830.EAA31485@www3.localweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1064 On Sun, 10 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:57:13 +0530 > From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." > To: "Dr.G" , Spinoza Ray Prozak > Cc: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. > > Hi again Spin ... > > Thanks for the appropriate response. > Yes, with a program as young as NewsAgent, > there's bound to be problems. Will say again: > > It would be my pleasure to help anybody > get this working on their machine. > O.K., are you assuming that we use the WIN95 format in a PPP connection? > Cabal newsflashes, messages to F-K list from > Skirvie, and disappearence of spool contents > all serve to confirm that NewsAgent works. I just wish I could get it to work on my computer. :-( And can you run this from a UNIX shell? -JG __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:10 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA05898 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 07:56:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199805101156.HAA05898@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 80352 via TCP with SMTP; Sun, 10 May 1998 06:48:39 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "S.P." Subject: Re: Online Transactions Research Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 16:58:18 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2680 Hi S.P... Yep, plan to take my time to get this thing ready. Been coding today, and've added a selective cancel capability, that lets you cancel on the basis of the From, Subject, Org, or Path header contents. Or, you can still just cancel everything. Also added lots of new options, like being able to turn the Warning Article posting off, control the "X-Archive: No" headers, etc. A few little details. Also worked out the issue with the XHDR command, so that it can handle big spools like N.A.N-A.E. Next step is to write some documentation. Once there's a cookbook for this thing, then it'll be ready for the public. It ain't fancy, but it'll definitely do the job. ... HipCrime __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:11 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA06195; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:03:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199805101203.IAA06195@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 80366 via TCP with SMTP; Sun, 10 May 1998 06:55:57 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "Dr.G" , "S.P." Cc: , , , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , "DSA Computers" Subject: Re: Why cancel Dave Hayes and nanau/e? Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:32:16 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2789 Hi Hacks ... The enhancement of NewsAgent continues. V0.05 is at the usual URL now, which is (just in case you forgot): http://geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/3177/NewsAgent.zip http://geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/3177/SuperCede.zip This model has lots of new features, including (but not limited to) selective cancelling, based on the contents of either the From, Subject, Organization, or Path. You can also control other headers better. Like X-No-Archive, etc. Dr. G, what happens when you run the NewsAgent? Try to find the file NewsAgent.exe on your C drive with the Windows Explorer. Double Click it. ... HipCrime ---------- > From: Dr.G > To: S.P. > Cc: hipcrime@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; clown@pgh.org; 007@pgh.org; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; DSA Computers > Subject: Re: Why cancel Dave Hayes and nanau/e? > Date: Sunday, May 10, 1998 4:40 PM > > On Sat, 9 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 22:11:20 -0700 > > From: "S.P." > > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > > Cc: "Dr.G" , boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, > > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > > DSA Computers > > Subject: Why cancel Dave Hayes and nanau/e? > > > > HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > > > > Hi Hacks ... > > > > > > There's a new version of NewsAgent at the > > > regular location now, and v0.04 *will* be > > > able to cancel-out N.A.N.A.E/U, so somebody > > > who can access that throwaway MSN account > > > please try it. > > > > Steve, if nanae/u are cancelled out, will that not turn many of the > > moderates you and Dave have worked so hard to cultivate against you, as > > they will surely blame the Freedom Knights. The cabal would probably > > love for the Freedom Knights to take the blame for cancelling out these > > groups, as it would no doubt destroy your momentum. > > > > Blame it all on me. > > > I suggest that anyone who wishes to cancel a group, cancel > > news.admin.censorship, as the cabal will never believe that the Freedom > > Knights would cancel that group. I also suggest that when you cancel > > nanau, you will be cancelling all of Dave Hayes' posts. > > > > Therefore, why not cancel, say, alt.binaries.slack or alt.slack? Those > > are SPUTUM groups. > > > > Let's cancel them all. I want this poetry festival to > be BIGGER than the last one. > > > > HipCrime, your software does work, and always did work, as I saw the > > evidence on concentric's server. > > > > That may be so, but the installation SOP and/or the > command syntax is not correct. > > -JG __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:13 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA06478; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:10:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199805101210.IAA06478@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 80384 via TCP with SMTP; Sun, 10 May 1998 07:03:26 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "Dr.G" Cc: , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:40:11 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1750 Hi Dr. G... Nope, you can't run NewsAgent with anything except for Windows95/NT. Prior to running it, you should use your Dial Up Networking, and establish a PPP (TCP/IP) connection to your dialup server (i.e. MSN). After that, run the NewsAgent.exe file. Good luck. ... HipCrime ---------- > From: Dr.G > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: S.P. ; clown@pgh.org; 007@pgh.org; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. > Date: Sunday, May 10, 1998 4:57 PM > > On Sun, 10 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:57:13 +0530 > > From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." > > To: "Dr.G" , Spinoza Ray Prozak > > Cc: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, > > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > > Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. > > > > Hi again Spin ... > > > > Thanks for the appropriate response. > > Yes, with a program as young as NewsAgent, > > there's bound to be problems. Will say again: > > > > It would be my pleasure to help anybody > > get this working on their machine. > > > > O.K., are you assuming that we use the WIN95 > format in a PPP connection? > > > Cabal newsflashes, messages to F-K list from > > Skirvie, and disappearence of spool contents > > all serve to confirm that NewsAgent works. > > I just wish I could get it to work on my computer. :-( > > And can you run this from a UNIX shell? > > -JG __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:15 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA06512; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:11:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199805101211.IAA06512@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 80401 via TCP with SMTP; Sun, 10 May 1998 07:04:03 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "Dr.G" Cc: , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:40:25 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2381 Hi Dr. G... The NewsAgent.zip file should extract its files to \NewsAgent on your C drive. When you run WinZIP, it'll ask you where you want to put the files. They should want to go to that directory automatically, but maybe your WinZIP version doesn't support that. Either way, you need to extract the NewsAgent.zip file into a \NewsAgent in the root directory of drive C. Also, you need to extract the SuperCede.zip file into \Windows\System (which it should want to do automatically, but again, maybe that doesn't work on your machine). You can use the Explorer to determine exactly where the files did get extracted to? ... HipCrime P.S. who's running it on MSN, and what's being cancelled. Needless to say, I want to watch! ---------- > From: Dr.G > To: Spinoza Ray Prozak > Cc: S.P. ; hipcrime@pgh.org; clown@pgh.org; 007@pgh.org; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. > Date: Sunday, May 10, 1998 4:52 PM > > On Sat, 9 May 1998, Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 20:45:44 -0700 > > From: Spinoza Ray Prozak > > To: "Dr.G" > > Cc: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, > > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > > Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. > > > > howdy, > > > > >This is all bullshit as the fucking program does not work! > > >I tried to use it last night and it would not even start! > > > > We're all professionals here - a request for aid works just as well. I'm > > sure there are difficulties as modern OS's add total complexity to the > > situation, but even if it doesn't work on my crate respect to the author - > > I haven't gotten off my ass to write one ;)-~ > > Well, it looks like somebody is currently running it on MSN. > > All I ever got is "cannot find file NewsAgent\NewsAgent.exe or > one of it's components." The program did not install. > > First of all, any download SOP must first specify a desktop > folder for the file to be downloaded TO. Then, we need some > PATH names to check in DOS. > > -JG __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:17 1998 Return-Path: pghmain@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (pghmain@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA06992; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:22:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 08:22:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "pgh.org admin" X-Sender: pghmain@www3.localweb.com To: 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, drg@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Subject: Lewis Threatens/Re: warfare commencing (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1583 Dig this shit.. It looks like a threat from chris lewis, and here is our response. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 08:20:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "pgh.org admin" X-Sender: pghmain@www3.localweb.com To: abuse@nortel.ca.gov cc: lsi@pgh.org Subject: Re: warfare commencing In-Reply-To: <3555705b.6840162@207.68.143.159> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Sirs, Please control this user of yours. The following is unsolicited email and a threat sent to one of our users by your user, one "clewis@nortel.ca.gov" Thank You, pgh.org administration On Sun, 10 May 1998, Chris Lewis wrote: > Return-Path: clewis@nortel.ca.gov > Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR03 (smtp.email.msn.com [207.68.143.159]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA00159 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 05:17:22 -0400 > Received: from 1Cust15.tnt1.sherman-oaks.ca.da.uu.net - 153.37.164.15 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; > Sun, 10 May 1998 02:17:45 -0700 > From: clewis@nortel.ca.gov (Chris Lewis) > To: pgh@pgh.org > Subject: warfare commencing > Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:16:14 GMT > Organization: We hate nothing more than life (Except SPAM) > Reply-To: abuse@nortel.ca.gov > Message-ID: <3555705b.6840162@207.68.143.159> > X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 > > > doctor, > > i am on the warpath. > > stay tuned for turther details! > > > DEATH INCARNATE > > > From - Sun May 10 15:11:19 1998 Return-Path: boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07190; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:25:53 -0400 Received: from 1Cust54.max19.boston.ma.ms.uu.net (1Cust54.max19.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.78.182]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA13883; Sun, 10 May 1998 05:26:11 -0700 (PDT) From: boursy@alt.net (ISP Ratings) To: "Dr.G" Cc: clown@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org Subject: Can't we teach cbellomy@flash.net a good lesson? Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 12:28:50 GMT Organization: ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <35559cba.6253702@mail.alt.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1503 from austin.config In article <6j2tfm$nra$1@excalibur.flash.net>, Chris Bellomy=20 wrote: -It seems to me that austin.internet, along with its Texas siblings -dfw.internet.providers and houston.internet.providers, is at this -point beyond repair. No voice of reason is going to show up in these -groups and restore something resembling net.sense. Thus I'd like to -propose an extreme solution to an extreme problem: - -Turn the cancelbots onto *everything* posted to these groups for -a week or two. - -I'm making this proposal here first in order to solicit Chip's -informed opinion on the subject. He may very well have some=20 -legitimate objection which I hadn't considered, and before I -turn this idea loose with dfw and houston I'd like to have heard -what the reasonable voices in Austin have to say. - -For my part, I think if we take the soapbox away from the kooks -for a little while, they'll quickly become bored and go elsewhere. -Then when the bots are turned off they won't be around to notice. - -The other options, I suppose, are to: - -1. Take the groups moderated; or -2. Start getting serious about sending complaints to the ISPs who -harbor these guys (my own having been included for a while, alas). -Then if the ISPs don't enforce their TOS we can look at using UDPs -in the more traditional method. - -I'd love to read *anybody's* constructive ideas on the subject. -Obviously something needs to happen soon. - __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:22 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA07608; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:33:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199805101233.IAA07608@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 80425 via TCP with SMTP; Sun, 10 May 1998 07:25:44 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: , "Dr.G" Cc: , , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: Re: Can't we teach cbellomy@flash.net a good lesson? Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:02:39 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2433 Hi Steve ... All these weird little Texas newsgroups seem to have become a haven for censors. One of my real reasons for writing the NewsAgent was to censor the censors. Fighting fire with fire. Would cancel-out that austin.config group tonight (just to further my debugging), but don't have a dialup to use. Will try to locate a public site, and run in there for a couple of hours tomorrow. Won't block the group for long, but will destroy all existing threads. It's a start. Anybody else want to take a shot at running this thing? ... HipCrime ---------- From: ISP Ratings To: Dr.G Cc: clown@pgh.org; sp@pgh.org; 007@pgh.org; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; hipcrime@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org Subject: Can't we teach cbellomy@flash.net a good lesson? Date: Sunday, May 10, 1998 5:58 PM from austin.config In article <6j2tfm$nra$1@excalibur.flash.net>, Chris Bellomy wrote: -It seems to me that austin.internet, along with its Texas siblings -dfw.internet.providers and houston.internet.providers, is at this -point beyond repair. No voice of reason is going to show up in these -groups and restore something resembling net.sense. Thus I'd like to -propose an extreme solution to an extreme problem: - -Turn the cancelbots onto *everything* posted to these groups for -a week or two. - -I'm making this proposal here first in order to solicit Chip's -informed opinion on the subject. He may very well have some -legitimate objection which I hadn't considered, and before I -turn this idea loose with dfw and houston I'd like to have heard -what the reasonable voices in Austin have to say. - -For my part, I think if we take the soapbox away from the kooks -for a little while, they'll quickly become bored and go elsewhere. -Then when the bots are turned off they won't be around to notice. - -The other options, I suppose, are to: - -1. Take the groups moderated; or -2. Start getting serious about sending complaints to the ISPs who -harbor these guys (my own having been included for a while, alas). -Then if the ISPs don't enforce their TOS we can look at using UDPs -in the more traditional method. - -I'd love to read *anybody's* constructive ideas on the subject. -Obviously something needs to happen soon. - ---------- __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:20 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA07599; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:33:18 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 08:33:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: boursy@pgh.org cc: clown@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org Subject: Re: Can't we teach cbellomy@flash.net a good lesson? In-Reply-To: <35559cba.6253702@mail.alt.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2170 On Sun, 10 May 1998, ISP Ratings wrote: Steve, do you have that URL for NewsAgent? > Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 12:28:50 GMT > From: ISP Ratings > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: clown@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, > goat@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org > Subject: Can't we teach cbellomy@flash.net a good lesson? > > > from austin.config > > > In article <6j2tfm$nra$1@excalibur.flash.net>, Chris Bellomy > wrote: > -It seems to me that austin.internet, along with its Texas siblings > -dfw.internet.providers and houston.internet.providers, is at this > -point beyond repair. No voice of reason is going to show up in these > -groups and restore something resembling net.sense. Thus I'd like to > -propose an extreme solution to an extreme problem: > - > -Turn the cancelbots onto *everything* posted to these groups for > -a week or two. > - > -I'm making this proposal here first in order to solicit Chip's > -informed opinion on the subject. He may very well have some > -legitimate objection which I hadn't considered, and before I > -turn this idea loose with dfw and houston I'd like to have heard > -what the reasonable voices in Austin have to say. > - > -For my part, I think if we take the soapbox away from the kooks > -for a little while, they'll quickly become bored and go elsewhere. > -Then when the bots are turned off they won't be around to notice. > - > -The other options, I suppose, are to: > - > -1. Take the groups moderated; or We can bust those with forged approval headers in Agent or trn. > -2. Start getting serious about sending complaints to the ISPs who > -harbor these guys (my own having been included for a while, alas). > -Then if the ISPs don't enforce their TOS we can look at using UDPs > -in the more traditional method. > - NO complaints about Usenet must ever be given any credibility. > -I'd love to read *anybody's* constructive ideas on the subject. > -Obviously something needs to happen soon. KILL Chris Lewis! -JG __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:24 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA08239; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:45:14 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 08:45:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "HipCrime International, unLtd." cc: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, DSA Computers Subject: SOP for NewsAgent In-Reply-To: <199805101203.IAA06195@www3.localweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1416 On Sun, 10 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:32:16 +0530 > From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." > To: "Dr.G" , "S.P." > Cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > DSA Computers > Subject: Re: Why cancel Dave Hayes and nanau/e? > > Hi Hacks ... > > The enhancement of NewsAgent continues. > V0.05 is at the usual URL now, which is > (just in case you forgot): > > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/3177/NewsAgent.zip > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/3177/SuperCede.zip > > This model has lots of new features, > including (but not limited to) selective > cancelling, based on the contents of > either the From, Subject, Organization, > or Path. > > You can also control other headers > better. Like X-No-Archive, etc. > > Dr. G, what happens when you run the > NewsAgent? Try to find the file > NewsAgent.exe on your C drive with the > Windows Explorer. Double Click it. > > ... HipCrime I downloaded and unzippewd the new NewsAgent, but it does not create any C:\NewsAgent\NewsAgent.exe file. Doing a find for that file, I get nothing. I have both the NewsAgent.zip and the Supercedeus.zip both in a folder on the desktop. -JG __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:26 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA08358; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:46:48 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 08:46:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "HipCrime International, unLtd." cc: clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. In-Reply-To: <199805101210.IAA06478@www3.localweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 863 On Sun, 10 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:40:11 +0530 > From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, > dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, > sp@pgh.org > Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. > > Hi Dr. G... > > Nope, you can't run NewsAgent with > anything except for Windows95/NT. > > Prior to running it, you should > use your Dial Up Networking, and > establish a PPP (TCP/IP) connection > to your dialup server (i.e. MSN). > > After that, run the NewsAgent.exe > file. Good luck. > > ... HipCrime > I just tried it again and it did not work. I have no NewsAgent.exe file anywhere in the C drive. -JG __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:25 1998 Return-Path: boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08194; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:44:37 -0400 Received: from 1Cust54.max19.boston.ma.ms.uu.net (1Cust54.max19.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.78.182]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA14465; Sun, 10 May 1998 05:44:54 -0700 (PDT) From: boursy@alt.net (ISP Ratings) To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" Cc: , "Dr.G" , , , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: Re: Can't we teach cbellomy@flash.net a good lesson? Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 12:47:33 GMT Organization: ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <3558a116.7370039@mail.alt.net> References: <199805101233.FAA13996@tofu.alt.net> In-Reply-To: <199805101233.FAA13996@tofu.alt.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 745 Hipcrime wrote: - -Hi Steve ... Good morning. - -All these weird little Texas newsgroups=20 -seem to have become a haven for censors. I've been enjoying myself in austin.general-- in fact having a hell of good time. - -One of my real reasons for writing the -NewsAgent was to censor the censors. -Fighting fire with fire. - -Would cancel-out that austin.config -group tonight (just to further my -debugging), but don't have a dialup -to use. - -Will try to locate a public site, -and run in there for a couple of -hours tomorrow. Won't block the -group for long, but will destroy -all existing threads. It's a start. From what another poster said he works at flash.net. Thanks! __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:25 1998 Return-Path: boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08194; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:44:37 -0400 Received: from 1Cust54.max19.boston.ma.ms.uu.net (1Cust54.max19.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.78.182]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA14465; Sun, 10 May 1998 05:44:54 -0700 (PDT) From: boursy@alt.net (ISP Ratings) To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" Cc: , "Dr.G" , , , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: Re: Can't we teach cbellomy@flash.net a good lesson? Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 12:47:33 GMT Organization: ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <3558a116.7370039@mail.alt.net> References: <199805101233.FAA13996@tofu.alt.net> In-Reply-To: <199805101233.FAA13996@tofu.alt.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 745 Hipcrime wrote: - -Hi Steve ... Good morning. - -All these weird little Texas newsgroups=20 -seem to have become a haven for censors. I've been enjoying myself in austin.general-- in fact having a hell of good time. - -One of my real reasons for writing the -NewsAgent was to censor the censors. -Fighting fire with fire. - -Would cancel-out that austin.config -group tonight (just to further my -debugging), but don't have a dialup -to use. - -Will try to locate a public site, -and run in there for a couple of -hours tomorrow. Won't block the -group for long, but will destroy -all existing threads. It's a start. From what another poster said he works at flash.net. Thanks! From - Sun May 10 15:11:28 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA08616; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:51:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 08:51:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "HipCrime International, unLtd." cc: clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. In-Reply-To: <199805101211.IAA06512@www3.localweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1749 On Sun, 10 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:40:25 +0530 > From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, > dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, > sp@pgh.org > Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. > > Hi Dr. G... > > The NewsAgent.zip file should extract > its files to \NewsAgent on your C drive. > When you run WinZIP, it'll ask you where > you want to put the files. Did not get any such inquiry when unzipping. > > They should want to go to that directory > automatically, but maybe your WinZIP > version doesn't support that. > Nope, it does not. > Either way, you need to extract the > NewsAgent.zip file into a \NewsAgent > in the root directory of drive C. > > Also, you need to extract the SuperCede.zip > file into \Windows\System (which it should > want to do automatically, but again, maybe > that doesn't work on your machine). > > You can use the Explorer to determine > exactly where the files did get extracted > to? > > ... HipCrime > > P.S. who's running it on MSN, and what's > being cancelled. Needless to say, > I want to watch! > I do not know if NewsAgent or Brest is running on MSN right now. All I know is that it says "your account can not be accessed" and that means somebody is already on it. It could be Dimitri in NYC or goat in Austin or igor, it matters not. How about we create a C:\NewsAgent file and do the unzipping in that? Like, I am going to try to put the two zip files in there and unzip them again. -JG __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:29 1998 Return-Path: boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08643; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:52:02 -0400 Received: from 1Cust54.max19.boston.ma.ms.uu.net (1Cust54.max19.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.78.182]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA14575; Sun, 10 May 1998 05:52:20 -0700 (PDT) From: boursy@alt.net (ISP Ratings) To: "Dr.G" Cc: boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org Subject: Re: Can't we teach cbellomy@flash.net a good lesson? Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 12:54:59 GMT Organization: ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <3559a271.7717100@mail.alt.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1532 Dr.G. wrote: -On Sun, 10 May 1998, ISP Ratings wrote: - -Steve, do you have that URL for NewsAgent? NewsAgent or Agent (and FreeAgent). -> From: ISP Ratings -> Subject: Can't we teach cbellomy@flash.net a good lesson? ->=20 ->=20 -> from austin.config ->=20 ->=20 -> In article <6j2tfm$nra$1@excalibur.flash.net>, Chris Bellomy=20 -> wrote: clip=20 -> - -> -1. Take the groups moderated; or - -We can bust those with forged approval headers in Agent -or trn. Yes--Agent is excellent for that. I add an approved line for all posts when using Agent. =20 To add the Approved: header as well as the Control: header in Agent (and I think Free Agent as well) just add: ShowAllFields=3D1 Under the [Message] section of the agent.ini file. - -> -2. Start getting serious about sending complaints to the ISPs who -> -harbor these guys (my own having been included for a while, alas). -> -Then if the ISPs don't enforce their TOS we can look at using UDPs -> -in the more traditional method. -> - - -NO complaints about Usenet must ever be given any credibility. This shithead works for flash.net as I understand it--he reminds me somehow of Jan Isley. =20 -> -I'd love to read *anybody's* constructive ideas on the subject. -> -Obviously something needs to happen soon. - -KILL Chris Lewis! Slowly though. Enjoy the moment. Steve - --JG - __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:31 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA20771; Sun, 10 May 1998 12:03:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199805101603.MAA20771@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 80460 via TCP with SMTP; Sun, 10 May 1998 10:56:17 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "Dr.G" Cc: "S.P." , , , , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , "DSA Computers" Subject: Re: SOP for NewsAgent Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:30:28 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2223 Hi Dr. G ... When you run WinZIP to unzip the NewsAgent.zip file, where does it want to put the files? In that ZIP archive, there are two (2) files: NewsAgent.dll NewsAgent.exe Sure seems strange that you're not seeing these two files. Could it be some weirdness with WinZip? What version are you running? ... HipCrime ---------- > From: Dr.G > To: HipCrime International, unLtd. > Cc: S.P. ; hipcrime@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; clown@pgh.org; 007@pgh.org; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; DSA Computers > Subject: SOP for NewsAgent > Date: Sunday, May 10, 1998 6:15 PM > > On Sun, 10 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:32:16 +0530 > > From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." > > To: "Dr.G" , "S.P." > > Cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, > > 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > > DSA Computers > > Subject: Re: Why cancel Dave Hayes and nanau/e? > > > > Hi Hacks ... > > > > The enhancement of NewsAgent continues. > > V0.05 is at the usual URL now, which is > > (just in case you forgot): > > > > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/3177/NewsAgent.zip > > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/3177/SuperCede.zip > > > > This model has lots of new features, > > including (but not limited to) selective > > cancelling, based on the contents of > > either the From, Subject, Organization, > > or Path. > > > > You can also control other headers > > better. Like X-No-Archive, etc. > > > > Dr. G, what happens when you run the > > NewsAgent? Try to find the file > > NewsAgent.exe on your C drive with the > > Windows Explorer. Double Click it. > > > > ... HipCrime > > I downloaded and unzippewd the new NewsAgent, > but it does not create any C:\NewsAgent\NewsAgent.exe > file. > > Doing a find for that file, I get nothing. > > I have both the NewsAgent.zip and the > Supercedeus.zip both in a folder on the > desktop. > > -JG __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:33 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA21860; Sun, 10 May 1998 12:19:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 12:19:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "HipCrime International, unLtd." cc: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, DSA Computers Subject: Re: SOP for NewsAgent In-Reply-To: <199805101603.MAA20771@www3.localweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 805 On Sun, 10 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > Hi Dr. G ... > > When you run WinZIP to unzip the NewsAgent.zip > file, where does it want to put the files? > It never says, but I believe the default place is C:\windows\temporary > In that ZIP archive, there are two (2) files: > > NewsAgent.dll > NewsAgent.exe > > Sure seems strange that you're not seeing > these two files. Could it be some weirdness > with WinZip? What version are you running? > > ... HipCrime > It is not the winzip but the dll's that it can not find. I think the problem is with superCede. I tried this on two different computers and it did not install correctly on either. I started with a C:\NewsAgent folder with both the zipped filed in it for a start. -JG __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 15:11:36 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA26608; Sun, 10 May 1998 13:20:45 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:20:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "HipCrime International, unLtd." cc: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, DSA Computers Subject: 2.01/SOP for NewsAgent In-Reply-To: <199805101649.MAA24178@www3.localweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 132 O.K., I got the file to open, but the window only lasts about five seconds and then it disappears. It says "expired." -JG __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 17:18:50 1998 Return-Path: micron@infobahn.icubed.com Received: from infobahn.icubed.com (infobahn.icubed.com [208.0.145.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA06899; Sun, 10 May 1998 16:01:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by infobahn.icubed.com (5.65v3.2/1.1.10.5/06Apr97-0122PM) id AA27402; Sun, 10 May 1998 16:03:35 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 16:03:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Micron To: hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, "Dr. Grubor" , goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Cc: zeus@alt.net Subject: PRINT/open NNTP servers Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 9241 Here is our list of open NNTP servers which was provided by scumhater a while back From: Neil Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:02:55 Organization: None Hi, I got this list off the web a few months ago, I'm not sure how accurate it is, but if you're looking for a free news server then this would be a good place to start. Some of the servers below don't allow posting, some have restricted groups, etc. If a server doesn't have the sex groups and say you wanted to send a few hundred articles to alt.sex or alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.* according to the RFCs all you have to do is post the article to a group which IS on the server and crosspost to the rest of the groups, this way the message will still propogate around the net and appear on servers which do provide the additional groups. Hope this helps : Almost all the public access NNTP servers I know about (200 means posting allowed; 201 means no posting) plaintext version hct.ac.ae 200 dmbsdi.datamar.com.ar 200 fstgal00.tu-graz.ac.at 200 osiris.wu-wien.ac.at 201 pina2.telecom.at 200 acslink.net.au 200 matilda.vut.edu.au 201 mugca.cc.monash.edu.au 200 snoop2.cia.com.au 200 jazz.trumpet.com.au 200 odyssey.apana.org.au 200 pac.com.au 200 sentry.cn-newc.com.au 200 hermes.agfa.be 200 kick.knooppunt.be 200 morzine.ciger.be 200 if.usp.br 201 grande.dcc.unicamp.br 201 recife.di.ufpe.br 200 clipper.csc.uvic.ca 201 francomedia.qc.ca 200 infoserv.nlc-bnc.ca 200 lists.uccb.ns.ca 200 mail.inac.gc.ca 200 morgoth.sfu.ca 201 sol.sun.csd.unb.ca 201 news.uunet.ca 200 grid.direct.ca 200 newshost.uwo.ca 201 telos1.telos.ca 201 venus.cambrianc.on.ca 200 apldbio.com 200 ardvark.com 200 balti.fsl.com 200 bbs.inferno.com 200 buck.intelli-net.com 200 cyber-quest.com 200 equinox.shaysnet.com 201 express.ior.com 200 frye.com 201 fsp.fsp.com 201 ibm32.perftech.com 201 idiom.com 201 jupiter.nowcom.com 200 kplace.monrou.com 200 liii.com 200 loki.asymetrix.com 201 mach10.utica.kaman.com 200 mail01.ljextra.com 200 mana.medsurf.com 201 moreinfo.com 200 msnews.microsoft.com 200 neptune.ditell.com 200 neta.com 200 galaxy.us.dell.com 201 griffin.andyne.com 200 news.accessone.com 200 chmail.chi.com 200 shadow.cyberdesic.com 200 alpha.dice.dlinc.com 200 demonews.mindspring.com 200 dwx1.dwx.com 200 news2.his.com 200 news.hktcl.com 200 zeus.intellinet.com 200 news.io.com 201 server.nlbbs.com 200 goofy.powernethk.com 200 news.rrnet.com 201 ocean.silcom.com 201 news.stlnet.com 200 news.teleport.com 200 tsunami.Traveller.COM 201 ns1.walltech.com 200 news.wasatch.com 200 yikes.winc.com 200 news71.supernews.com 200 news72.supernews.com 200 gateway.ctg.com 200 vision1.vision.com 200 nntp.wwwi.com 200 norden1.com 200 ns.unibol.com 200 ns2.maslink.com 200 nt-2.wttf.com 200 pandr.com 200 paperboy.osi.com 200 peso.unitree.com 200 rdn.com 200 rodelo.cyberverse.com 201 rush.terrestrial.com 200 saturn.ncy.com 200 sharp.com 200 sseinc.com 200 sunfish.tspn.com 200 sysubmc.bmc.com 200 thunder.internorth.com 200 tmctrans.com 200 trojan.neta.com 200 uucp.primenet.com 200 webmaster.vbe.com 200 www.eci.com 200 ftp.mathworks.com 200 www.starkey.com 200 your.mother.com 200 yrkpa.kias.com 200 athena.cytanet.com.cy 200 zeus.cc.ucy.ac.cy 200 ns.felk.cvut.cz 201 strix.vslib.cz 201 buchonia.rhoen.de 200 grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de 201 hal.do.isst.fhg.de 200 info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de 201 ipx2.rz.uni-mannheim.de 201 jaguar.stardiv.de 200 jengate.thur.de 200 mind.de 200 coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de 201 petrus.cs.Uni-Magdeburg.DE 201 sun1.rz.fh-heilbronn.de 201 go.hannover.sgh-net.de 200 sirius.HRZ.HTW-Zittau.DE 200 mail.imnet.de 200 pf1.phil.uni-sb.de 200 abo.rhein-zeitung.de 200 news.rwth-aachen.de 200 power5.RZ.Uni-Hohenheim.DE 200 omega.gmd.de 201 riemann.iam.uni-bonn.de 200 rznews.rrze.uni-erlangen.de 201 suncom.rz.hu-berlin.de 200 tell.mailbox.de 200 wuff.franken.de 200 www.langen.bull.de 200 zebra.fh-weingarten.de 201 nbisrv.nbi.dk 200 acs.eku.edu 201 alpha.nsula.edu 200 bluto.uwex.edu 200 bofh.ece.ufl.edu 200 cc.denison.edu 200 cc.owu.edu 200 cms.cc.wayne.edu 200 cocoa.brown.edu 201 cougar.olivet.edu 200 mcp.csh.rit.edu 200 csugrad.cs.vt.edu 201 edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu 200 egreen.egreen.wednet.edu 200 freenet.vcu.edu 200 gcedunet.gac.peachnet.edu 200 grog.ric.edu 200 guvax.acc.georgetown.edu 201 hix.mit.edu 200 humc.edu 200 intrepid.ecn.purdue.edu 200 isnews.csc.calpoly.edu 201 k12.cs.cmu.edu 200 lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu 201 spark.law.vill.edu 200 love.loyola.edu 200 maine.maine.edu 200 maristb.marist.edu 200 marlin.ucsf.edu 201 miriam.fuller.edu 200 msupa.pa.msu.edu 201 net161-61.student.yale.edu 200 netra.oscs.montana.edu 201 news.cc.geneseo.edu 200 cis.clark.edu 200 lace.colorado.edu 200 doc.jmu.edu 201 scorpion.LaTech.edu 200 siena.edu 200 ttacs7.ttu.edu 201 Masala.CC.UH.EDU 201 news.vanderbilt.edu 200 zipporah.wheaton.edu 200 newsfeeder.sdsu.edu 200 newsserv.cs.sunysb.edu 200 csunet.CTSTATEU.EDU 200 newsstand.cit.cornell.edu 200 REX.RE.uokhsc.edu 200 seorf.ohiou.edu 201 serval.net.wsu.edu 201 sonoma.edu 200 sand.cis.ufl.edu 200 vax.sonoma.edu 200 vm.marist.edu 200 voyager.umeres.maine.edu 200 waldorf.csc.calpoly.edu 201 wintermute.ecs.fullerton.edu 201 ns.mad.servicom.es 200 tsai3.teleline.es 200 freenet.hut.fi 200 kronos.fmi.fi 200 mordred.cc.jyu.fi 201 katiska.clinet.fi 200 news.funet.fi 201 oravannahka.Helsinki.FI 200 lut.fi 201 ciril.fr 201 donews.do.usbr.gov 201 gargantubrain.osmre.gov 200 reznor.larc.nasa.gov 201 news.ssc.gov 201 lyman.pppl.GOV 200 sun10.sep.bnl.gov 201 ns.cs.hku.hk 201 ppn.com.hk 200 helka.iif.hu 200 discus.technion.ac.il 201 gatekeeper.infolink.net.il 201 wisipc.weizmann.ac.il 201 genes.icgeb.trieste.it 200 mikasa.iol.it 201 news.esrin.esa.it 200 news.flashnet.it 200 everest-fddi.vol.it 200 news.mclink.it 201 sule.clio.it 200 sv.infocomm.it 200 cc2000.kyoto-su.ac.jp 200 fame.fujita-hu.ac.jp 200 ganymede.mi.sanno.ac.jp 200 mech.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp 201 bank.dna.affrc.go.jp 200 keisu3.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp 200 kobushi.tama.or.jp 200 daikoku.three-a.co.jp 200 ns.gunma-u.ac.jp 201 ns.cti.co.jp 200 news.kigam.re.kr 200 news.kreonet.re.kr 200 news.tyshl.co.kr 200 star.dwt.co.kr 200 usenet.kornet.nm.kr 200 luthien.seri.re.kr 200 aiva.lt 200 news.latnet.lv 200 wolf.riga.lv 200 ace.aa.wpafb.af.mil 201 goo.npd.usace.army.mil 201 tomcat.msrcnavo.navy.mil 200 magnet.mt 200 punb.com.my 200 candle.superlink.net 200 everest.iserv.net 200 ils.net 200 info.evansville.net 200 ki.net 200 kitimat.sno.net 200 lehi.kuentos.guam.net 200 lucky.orbonline.net 200 master.sapien.net 200 mercury.man.net 200 nerd.apk.net 200 news-dc-10.sprintlink.net 200 news-dc-5.sprintlink.net 200 news-dc-9.sprintlink.net 200 cedar.alberni.net 200 news.alt.net 200 news.bconnex.net 200 news.bi.uni-x.net 201 news.chattanooga.net 200 news.cpbx.net 200 snowcrash.cymru.net 201 news.enterprise.net 200 ns.genuity.net 200 news.hic.net 201 apple.hnc.net 201 news.icsc.net 200 news.idt.net 200 apple.interpia.net 201 lal.interserv.net 201 news.jos.net 200 Nntp1.mcs.net 201 ns2.mem.net 200 shocker.mid.net 201 brahms.miracle.net 200 cham.nuri.net 201 jalisco.optimum.net 200 washington.patriot.net 201 sun.revealed.net 200 frodo.smartlink.net 200 tis-news.thepoint.net 200 sol.tins.net 200 news.tricon.net 200 news.wt.net 200 leol.net-link.net 200 q.net 201 service-2.agate.net 201 sigma.samsung.net 200 sloc223.cds.sloc.net 200 startext.net 200 theshop.net 200 virgin.usvi.net 200 whales.netwave.net 200 news.a1.nl 200 news.worldonline.nl 200 red.pvda.nl 200 nntp.nta.no 201 papei.ostfold-f.kommune.no 200 www.hamar.nit.no 200 wave.co.nz 201 callosum.cnyrc.org 200 home.lmi.org 200 mail.ncms.org 200 clotho.c2.org 200 horse.glas.apc.org 200 ccic.ifcss.org 200 igc5.igc.apc.org 200 news1.io.org 201 research-01.ski.mskcc.org 200 shrsys.hslc.org 200 sylvania.sev.org 200 tristram.edc.org 200 www.gri.org 200 chenab.lums.edu.pk 200 galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl 200 inescca.inescc.pt 201 diamond.stup.ac.ru 200 macsimum.gamma.ru 200 funny.bahnhof.se 200 skarjeke.ind.mh.se 200 news.lejonet.se 200 kirk.nocom.se 200 puff.lmv.lm.se 200 skol1.telia.se 200 mercury.starnet.gov.sg 201 starnet.gov.sg 201 decef.elf.stuba.sk 200 alab03.ee.nctu.edu.tw 200 ccnews.nctu.edu.tw 201 news.csie.nctu.edu.tw 200 news.ficnet.net.tw 200 news.linkease.com.tw 200 candy.ups.kiev.ua 200 Sigma.ICMP.Lviv.UA 201 abacus.abasoft.co.uk 200 ernie.almac.co.uk 200 ironhorse.plsys.co.uk 201 luggage.rednet.co.uk 201 mailgate.harleywest.co.uk 200 singer.medsoft.org.uk 200 zippy.dct.ac.uk 201 azedlink1.ade.state.az.us 200 news.coos.or.us 200 ns1.sw-eng.falls-church.va.us 201 pen.k12.va.us 201 pub1.tln.lib.mi.us 201 misty.rau.ac.za 200 pukrs7.puk.ac.za 200 For more upto date information do a search on yahoo for 'open news server' or 'open usenet server' See Ya Neil McAliece neil@mcaliece.net __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 17:19:09 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12711; Sun, 10 May 1998 16:58:57 -0400 Received: from satan (p25.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.190]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA08599; Sun, 10 May 1998 13:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980510134638.00a80900@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:57:38 -0700 To: boursy@alt.net From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Can't we teach cbellomy@flash.net a good lesson? Cc: "Dr.G" , boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 896 cbellomy@flash.net? sure, we can mailbomb the fucker... or something. ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 17:19:07 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12697; Sun, 10 May 1998 16:58:53 -0400 Received: from satan (p25.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.190]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA08607; Sun, 10 May 1998 13:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980510134828.016c922c@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:57:42 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. Cc: "HipCrime International, unLtd." , clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1269 howdy, >I do not know if NewsAgent or Brest is running >on MSN right now. All I know is that it says >"your account can not be accessed" and that means >somebody is already on it. It could be Dimitri >in NYC or goat in Austin or igor, it matters not. I hear someone just flooded a server in Canada with a bunch of reflector bombs - don't know how well it will work at 28.8k. Call me with any further questions. take care, S.R.P. ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 17:19:10 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12735; Sun, 10 May 1998 16:59:02 -0400 Received: from satan (p25.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.190]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA08610; Sun, 10 May 1998 13:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980510135030.00a879dc@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:57:46 -0700 To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Can't we teach cbellomy@flash.net a good lesson? Cc: , "Dr.G" , , , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1495 howdy, >All these weird little Texas newsgroups >seem to have become a haven for censors. Just like Texas BBS's. >One of my real reasons for writing the >NewsAgent was to censor the censors. >Fighting fire with fire. > >Would cancel-out that austin.config >group tonight (just to further my >debugging), but don't have a dialup >to use. > >Will try to locate a public site, >and run in there for a couple of >hours tomorrow. Won't block the >group for long, but will destroy >all existing threads. It's a start. > >Anybody else want to take a shot >at running this thing? I would, but I need my second machine working first. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 17:19:12 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12738; Sun, 10 May 1998 16:59:02 -0400 Received: from satan (p25.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.190]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA08619; Sun, 10 May 1998 13:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980510135415.00cf4354@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:57:51 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Why cancel Dave Hayes and nanau/e? Cc: goat@pgh.org, "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, DSA Computers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2001 howdy, >> Remember how we lost Viet Nam... there was no goal. And remember how >> society works: only needs, never goals. > >We lost Viet-Nam because of the stupid politics >og the 60's and we could have won that war if we >did not always have to get "permission" to return fire. I knew you would understand. Without a clear goal, we're in the bush wondering who we can shoot at - and clearly we want to shoot. More lucidly, however, we want our objectives, and shooting is only part of that. Viet Nam was a travesty for the Americans and something no DJ will ever forget as long as there are shattered lives thirty years later to call in to the only voice they can hear and tell their story. I was not there, but those who have touched me were - and they hurt today and every day for it. One of the fundamentals of the ANUS maniphisto is to fuck all power: ...and to have compassion for those wounded by power and control and authority and gOD and other lies. >Now our first GOAL is to eliminate ehe effectiveness of Chris Lewis. >After that we can reassess. Mailbomb the fucker? take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. __________________________________________________ From - Sun May 10 17:19:15 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13279; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:03:18 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id RAA26446; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26054; Sun, 10 May 1998 16:02:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199805102102.QAA26054@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: Re: Can't we teach cbellomy@flash.net a good lesson? To: prozak@anus.com (Spinoza Ray Prozak) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 16:02:59 -0500 (CDT) Cc: boursy@alt.net, drg@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980510134638.00a80900@paranoia.com> from "Spinoza Ray Prozak" at May 10, 98 01:57:38 pm From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 185 Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > cbellomy@flash.net? > > sure, we can mailbomb the fucker... or something. > Soon, STUKACH 1.0 would offer you an alternative solution. - Igor. From - Sun May 10 17:19:16 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13935; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:09:31 -0400 Received: from satan (p25.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.190]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA09483; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980510135728.016c6c48@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 14:08:16 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2042 howdy, >> We're all professionals here - a request for aid works just as well. I'm >> sure there are difficulties as modern OS's add total complexity to the >> situation, but even if it doesn't work on my crate respect to the author - >> I haven't gotten off my ass to write one ;)-~ > >Well, it looks like somebody is currently running it on MSN. I don't think they're running NewsAgent. See earlier plans. >All I ever got is "cannot find file NewsAgent\NewsAgent.exe or >one of it's components." The program did not install. May be your version of WinZip? I know that software is controlled by a tribal entity. >First of all, any download SOP must first specify a desktop >folder for the file to be downloaded TO. Then, we need some >PATH names to check in DOS. Yeah, he said so in the emails - I don't like the root level installs and so won't do it on this machine, but on my other box, sure. From what I can tell there are two parts: (1) The Newsagent file, in C:\NewsAgent (2) The Dynamic Linked Librariers, in C:\Windows\System That's a simplistic version of HipCrime's plan but maybe it bears repeating in another format. Let me know if it works! take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. __________________________________________________ From - Mon May 11 03:31:43 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21319; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:27:51 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id SAA04501; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27032; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:25:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199805102225.RAA27032@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: Re: Flashnet/Chris Bellomy Research To: sp@pgh.org (S.P.) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:25:21 -0500 (CDT) Cc: boursy@pgh.org, drg@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: <355643C3.1138@pgh.org> from "S.P." at May 10, 98 05:18:11 pm From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 56 Do not bash Texas, SP, it is a cool place. - Igor. __________________________________________________ From - Mon May 11 03:31:45 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21506; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:29:53 -0400 Received: from satan (p00.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.195]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA17778; Sun, 10 May 1998 15:28:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980510152833.0076ae64@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 15:28:39 -0700 To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Flashnet/Chris Bellomy Research Cc: sp@pgh.org (S.P.), boursy@pgh.org, drg@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1145 howdy, >Do not bash Texas, SP, it is a cool place. To live there is to love it but also to know its limitations. We've all had our longhair friends, our black friends, et al get beaten up by rednecks or local law enforcement. But it is a great place - and it should be free! take care, SRP ps - SECEDE!1!! ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. __________________________________________________ From - Mon May 11 03:31:48 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22131; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:35:49 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id SAA05465; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27301; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:33:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199805102233.RAA27301@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: Re: Flashnet/Chris Bellomy Research To: prozak@anus.com (Spinoza Ray Prozak) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:33:17 -0500 (CDT) Cc: ichudov@Algebra.Com, sp@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, drg@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980510152833.0076ae64@paranoia.com> from "Spinoza Ray Prozak" at May 10, 98 03:28:39 pm From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 452 Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > howdy, > >Do not bash Texas, SP, it is a cool place. > > To live there is to love it but also to know its limitations. We've all > had our longhair friends, our black friends, et al get beaten up by > rednecks or local law enforcement. But it is a great place - and it should > be free! > > ps - SECEDE!1!! Yes, I have watched with sympathy the recent heroic struggle of the Republic of Texas. - Igor. __________________________________________________ From - Mon May 11 03:31:49 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA25214; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:13:11 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:13:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: goat@pgh.org cc: clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Subject: MSN In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980510134828.016c922c@paranoia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 256 On Sun, 10 May 1998, Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > I hear someone just flooded a server in Canada with a bunch of reflector > bombs - don't know how well it will work at 28.8k. 56k will still only bomb at 33k, so there is not much difference. -JG __________________________________________________ From - Mon May 11 03:31:50 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA25540; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:16:58 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:16:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: clown@pgh.org cc: boursy@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org Subject: alternatives In-Reply-To: <199805102102.QAA26054@manifold.algebra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 922 On Sun, 10 May 1998, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 16:02:59 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" > To: Spinoza Ray Prozak > Cc: boursy@alt.net, drg@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org, > 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, > scumhater@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Can't we teach cbellomy@flash.net a good lesson? > > Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > > cbellomy@flash.net? > > > > sure, we can mailbomb the fucker... or something. > > > > Soon, STUKACH 1.0 would offer you an alternative solution. > > - Igor. > GOOD! I sure would like to take out Chris Lewis for good, and I will provide the dial-ups to do it with. And I still want to try that Brest. I got NewsAgent working today and will be using it on the list of open NNTP servers. -JG __________________________________________________ From - Mon May 11 03:31:52 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA25810; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:20:23 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:20:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: goat@pgh.org cc: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: NewsAgent 2.01 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980510135728.016c6c48@paranoia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1885 On Sun, 10 May 1998, Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 14:08:16 -0700 > From: Spinoza Ray Prozak > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , "S.P." , > hipcrime@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, > scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: NewsAgent Marketing Plan Suggestions. > > howdy, > > >> We're all professionals here - a request for aid works just as well. I'm > >> sure there are difficulties as modern OS's add total complexity to the > >> situation, but even if it doesn't work on my crate respect to the author - > >> I haven't gotten off my ass to write one ;)-~ > > > >Well, it looks like somebody is currently running it on MSN. > > I don't think they're running NewsAgent. See earlier plans. > > >All I ever got is "cannot find file NewsAgent\NewsAgent.exe or > >one of it's components." The program did not install. > > May be your version of WinZip? I know that software is controlled by a > tribal entity. > > >First of all, any download SOP must first specify a desktop > >folder for the file to be downloaded TO. Then, we need some > >PATH names to check in DOS. > > Yeah, he said so in the emails - I don't like the root level installs and > so won't do it on this machine, but on my other box, sure. From what I can > tell there are two parts: > > (1) The Newsagent file, in C:\NewsAgent > > (2) The Dynamic Linked Librariers, in C:\Windows\System > > That's a simplistic version of HipCrime's plan but maybe it bears repeating > in another format. Let me know if it works! I got it running on one box but not the other. But the bombing box is loaded. Just how do I cancel ALL of Chris Lewis and nothing else for a while? -JG __________________________________________________ From - Mon May 11 03:31:53 1998 Return-Path: boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA06285 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 21:29:19 -0400 Received: from 1Cust99.max18.boston.ma.ms.uu.net (1Cust99.max18.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.78.99]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA04296 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:29:36 -0700 (PDT) From: boursy@alt.net (ISP Ratings) To: "S.P." Subject: Your Impressions? Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 01:32:14 GMT Organization: ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <3556544b.6439933@mail.alt.net> References: <199805100149.VAA04453@www3.localweb.com> <355536D2.443E@pgh.org> In-Reply-To: <355536D2.443E@pgh.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 413 Greetings--lot's of activity on the hacks list. Wondering what your private impressions are. I've a variety of conflicting thoughts but all and all am very impressed with the armada forming. I just don't want a public fuckup yet there are lessons that need to be taught. I will say John is doing an outstanding job with this list. Regards, Steve __________________________________________________ From - Mon May 11 03:31:55 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18396; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:25:20 -0400 Received: from satan (p16.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.121]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA29622; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:24:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980510202322.0164a3e8@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:24:07 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: MSN Cc: goat@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1086 howdy, >> I hear someone just flooded a server in Canada with a bunch of reflector >> bombs - don't know how well it will work at 28.8k. > >56k will still only bomb at 33k, so there is not much difference. My kingdom for a cable modem! ;) take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. From - Mon May 11 15:00:45 1998 Return-Path: _boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01781; Mon, 11 May 1998 06:01:11 -0400 Received: from 1Cust99.max18.boston.ma.ms.uu.net (1Cust99.max18.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.78.99]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA08984; Sun, 10 May 1998 21:08:58 -0700 (PDT) From: _boursy@alt.net (&ISP Ratings) To: Spinoza Ray Prozak Cc: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" , , "Dr.G" , , , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: Where is Dr. Maharaj? Was: Can't we teach cbellomy@flash.net a good lesson? Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 04:11:37 GMT Organization: *ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <3567792e.15884171@mail.alt.net> References: <3.0.32.19980510135030.00a879dc@paranoia.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980510135030.00a879dc@paranoia.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 2628 Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: - -howdy, Good evening. - ->All these weird little Texas newsgroups=20 ->seem to have become a haven for censors. - The exact name is austin.usenet.config--the group that Bellomy posted his global kill message in. Is Dr. Maharaj on this list? He's certainly trustworthy and I'm sure could use a bit of fun--he has a wonderful laugh on the=20 phone when discussing slamdunking=20 cabal. =20 He's technically proficient. Below is a post of his that just popped up in alt.forgery. Steve -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- =46orgery Report Posts in soc.culture.indian and several other newsgroups,=20 disguised as "From: luxmee@aol.com (Luxme)" are evidently forgeries posted from btinternet.com =20 Requests for an investigation of the forgeries may be sent to abuse@btinternet.com Gary.Beale@btinternet.com Information for btinternet.com follows: British Telecommunications Ltd (BTINTERNET-DOM) BT Internet Operation Center 154, St Albans Rd Sandridge St.Albans, Herts AL4 9NH=20 UK Domain Name: BTINTERNET.COM Administrative Contact: Beale, Gary (GB4288) Gary.Beale@BTINTERNET.COM +44 1992 897002 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Artym, Richard (RA2240) rich@BT.NET +44 1992-897045 (FAX) +44 1992-897382 Billing Contact: Beale, Gary (GB4288) Gary.Beale@BTINTERNET.COM +44 1992 897002 A recent exhibit of the headers of a forgery follows: Exhibit Begins > > Path: . . . !btnet!neptunium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail > Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan, . . . > From: luxmee@aol.com (Luxme) <<<<< ***** FORGERY > Subject: Re: Hindu-Vedic Cosmos and Carl Sagan > Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:16:59 GMT > Organization: Jyotish Intl > Message-ID: <35810a51.524093@news.btinternet.com> > NNTP-Posting-Host: host5-99-46-174.btinternet.com >=20 > [...] > End of Exhibit [ Followups set to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,alt.forgery ] Jai Maharaj http://www.flex.com/~jai Om Shanti -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv Comment1: Message ID Comment2: Generated using unique encryption keys and message text. Comment3: Public Key http://www.flex.com/~jai/PGP-current.public-key iQCVAwUBNVZrMOlp/UA/8L65AQE/qAQAnPh+/p2cTEvG4mJktJBPdvg8cWfiRkrw a4bHc90OehpI9tYB8/eW7F2+OekFbr8BJnYomjbmF4slRTj9J63R9ZL/AzaTcGdV W5Ja6d4XZZZiBusuUf/pKiCWEu3qZIXKIDIVmN3QXF45HX+4bvcElRRwcUrMGqAY 2uN0Awgrdxw=3D =3D9KOY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- __________________________________________________ From - Mon May 11 15:00:47 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA05253; Mon, 11 May 1998 06:54:08 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 06:54:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Subject: NewsAgent/NNTP problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 425 I have been working all night trying to get this newsAgent to work on any of those public access NNTP servers, and I keep getting the same responses, i.e., 480 Authentication Required LIST ACTIVE failed 555 NewsSocket GetLine -- connection lost. Has ANYBODY gotten NewsAgent to work on ANY of those hundreds of NNTP servers on that list? You all got that list yesterday from the sysop/micron address. -JG __________________________________________________ From - Mon May 11 15:00:49 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA16020; Mon, 11 May 1998 09:19:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199805111319.JAA16020@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 80746 via TCP with SMTP; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:10:37 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "Dr.G" , Cc: "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , , Subject: Re: OPEN NNTP servers/Re: NewsAgent/NNTP problem Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:40:57 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2496 Hi Dr. G... NewsAgent wouldn't work on the MSN newsServer? What happened? Did you happen to see what the error message was (that would've appeared in the green status line at the bottom). ... HipCrime ---------- > From: Dr.G > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; clown@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org; sp@pgh.org > Subject: OPEN NNTP servers/Re: NewsAgent/NNTP problem > Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 5:30 PM > > On Mon, 11 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:21:06 +0530 > > From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." > > To: "Dr.G" > > Subject: Re: NewsAgent/NNTP problem > > > > Hi Dr. G... > > > > NONE of the servers on that list are "open" servers. > > > > ALL of them REQUIRE authentication, and as such, are > > useless for NewsAgent. You MUST use the NNTP that's > > provided by your dialin ISP (hence the need for a > > throwaway account). > > > > Well, NewsAgent does not work on MSN servers. > And that account is now dedicated to 24 hour mailbombing of Chris Lewis. > > > By the way, take a look at alt.spam, alt.slack, > > austin.internet, houston.internet.providers, alt.2600, > > alt.fan.karl-malden.nose, alt.cypherpunks, and NANAE/U. > > They all got hit with cancels this afternoon. > > > > That's cool, but we MUST figure a way to use that program > in other news servers. > > Does ANYBODY know of any OPEN NNTP servers out there? > > -JG > > > > ... HipCrime > > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Dr.G > > > To: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; > > clown@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; hipcrime@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; > > scumhater@pgh.org; sp@pgh.org > > > Subject: NewsAgent/NNTP problem > > > Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 4:24 PM > > > > > > > > > I have been working all night trying to get this newsAgent > > > to work on any of those public access NNTP servers, and I > > > keep getting the same responses, i.e., > > > > > > 480 Authentication Required > > > LIST ACTIVE failed > > > 555 NewsSocket GetLine -- connection lost. > > > > > > Has ANYBODY gotten NewsAgent to work on ANY of those > > > hundreds of NNTP servers on that list? You all got that > > > list yesterday from the sysop/micron address. > > > > > > -JG > > __________________________________________________ From - Mon May 11 15:00:51 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA16033; Mon, 11 May 1998 09:19:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199805111319.JAA16033@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 80782 via TCP with SMTP; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:11:14 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "Dr.G" , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , , , Subject: HipCrime's NewsAgent v0.07 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:45:03 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 2021 Hi Hacks ... Put in some testing time in at a CyberCafe' this afternoon, and really made some progress. Problems with selective cancelling are fixed, and a couple of new search options were added. V0.07 can "flood" the newsgroup, by posting and reposting the same message every time around the cancelling loop. This is sort of like mailbombs or listbombs. Group bombing. It also has the ability to resurrect the article (that it posted prior to cancelling), in the event that somebody else cancels it. Seems like CyberCafes (and other public web browsing sites) are a good bet for running it. You can use their dialup's NewsServer, so posting will be allowed and all the groups will be carried. Tried tons of servers off that list, but NONE of them allowed me to post anything. Just as with SMTP, the openness of servers has almost vanished. Probably something about "abuse". Since Dr. G. had so much trouble with the ZIP file, have decided to switch to a self extract EXE file. My problem with this, is that the GeoCities FTP server doesn't allow EXE files. Will create some different free space, that will allow EXEs, and'll send out the new URLs soon. Meanwhile, you can still download the ZIPs files for HipCrime's NewsAgent v0.07 in the usual locations: http://geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/3177/SuperCede.zip http://geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/3177/NewsAgent.zip ... HipCrime P.S. does anybody know if this afternoon's testing resulted in any cancelling? Tried to issue cancels in the following groups: alt.2600 alt.spam alt.slack alt.cypherpunks alt.fan.karl-malden.nose austin.internet austin.usenet.config dfw.internet.providers houston.internet.providers news.admin.net-abuse.email news.admin.net-abuse.usenet P.P.S. Has anybody heard from A.P.L??? Sure would like to get some help with the "news server scan results" s/he sent me some time back __________________________________________________ From - Mon May 11 15:00:53 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA24286; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:22:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:22:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "HipCrime International, unLtd." cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Subject: Re: OPEN NNTP servers/Re: NewsAgent/NNTP problem In-Reply-To: <199805111319.JAA16020@www3.localweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 778 On Mon, 11 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:40:57 +0530 > From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." > To: "Dr.G" , hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, > clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, > scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org > Subject: Re: OPEN NNTP servers/Re: NewsAgent/NNTP problem > > Hi Dr. G... > > NewsAgent wouldn't work on the MSN newsServer? > What happened? Did you happen to see what the > error message was (that would've appeared in > the green status line at the bottom). This was the main message: 480 Authentication Required And it would always end with: LIST ACTIVE failed -JG __________________________________________________ From - Mon May 11 15:00:54 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA24706; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:25:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:25:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "HipCrime International, unLtd." cc: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Subject: Re: HipCrime's NewsAgent v0.07 In-Reply-To: <199805111319.JAA16033@www3.localweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 412 On Mon, 11 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > soon. Meanwhile, you can still download the > ZIPs files for HipCrime's NewsAgent v0.07 in > the usual locations: > > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/3177/SuperCede.zip > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/3177/NewsAgent.zip > Can I download vO.07 and let it overwrite the unzipped v0.05 that does not work on this box? -JG __________________________________________________ From - Mon May 11 15:00:55 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA31114; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:06:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199805111506.LAA31114@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 80944 via TCP with SMTP; Mon, 11 May 1998 09:58:38 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "Dr.G" Cc: "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , , , Subject: Re: HipCrime's NewsAgent v0.07 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:35:36 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1103 Hi Dr. G... Yep, v0.07 should overwrite v0.05, but for your system, not sure (since you're having some trouble with directories). In any case, extract the ZIP file, and just copy the NewsAgent.exe and .dll files on top of the directory where you have the older ones. ... HipCrime ---------- > From: Dr.G > To: HipCrime International, unLtd. > Cc: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; clown@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; hipcrime@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org; sp@pgh.org > Subject: Re: HipCrime's NewsAgent v0.07 > Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 7:55 PM > > On Mon, 11 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > soon. Meanwhile, you can still download the > > ZIPs files for HipCrime's NewsAgent v0.07 in > > the usual locations: > > > > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/3177/SuperCede.zip > > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/3177/NewsAgent.zip > > > > Can I download vO.07 and let it overwrite the unzipped > v0.05 that does not work on this box? > > -JG __________________________________________________ From - Mon May 11 19:47:45 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA17764; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:53:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:53:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: HipCrime's NewsAgent v0.07 In-Reply-To: <355779CA.235B@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2639 On Mon, 11 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:20:58 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: HipCrime's NewsAgent v0.07 > > HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > Tried tons of servers off that list, but NONE > > of them allowed me to post anything. Just as > > with SMTP, the openness of servers has almost > > vanished. Probably something about "abuse". > > I saw that list, and noted that when I was posting last year, I tried > that list of servers. It comes from a link you can follow at replay. > The list was useless then, and now. However, there is an individual > Mike Enlow told me about who is constantly scanning for open servers. > The spammers pay for the information, and then abuse the server to spam > USENET, without the owner'e knowledge. Of course, in no time Lewis & > Co. has contacted the owner about the abuse, and the problem solved. > That is why the old list you were given is now outdated. I am > contacting Mike Enlow to see if I can get the contact for the maintainer > of this list--but to subscribe costs money. > > > P.P.S. Has anybody heard from A.P.L??? > > Sure would like to get some help > > with the "news server scan results" > > s/he sent me some time back > > Hipcrime, no matter what you are told, I am certain that APL is not IRS > Agent. APL probably knows IRS Agent, though. But APL and I mixed in > October on the old list, and the sentence structure of APL's messages > were entirely different that IRS's. Therefore, it is safe to conclude > that APL is not IRS. APL is just playing games again, but probably > knows IRS and is spoofing the list. If APL disagrees with this > assessment, then in private email refute my statement, as I was in close > communication with IRS, and IRS was very cool, while APL, who had not > the slightest understanding of business, Yes, but APL was after IRS, correct? was trying to high pressure me > to get Enlow to give away a free serial number for the UCE, as if Enlow > should jump when some anon type like APL whistles. IRS got the serial > numbers from me, though, and unless APL can name the serial numbers, > then APL is not IRS. > > SP > I bet it is IRSAgent, because APL would not "confirm or deny" that s/he was IRSagent. APL only came into existance when IRSAgent went out of existance. __________________________________________________ From - Mon May 11 21:55:54 1998 Return-Path: _boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11032; Mon, 11 May 1998 19:54:30 -0400 Received: from 1Cust49.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net (1Cust49.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.79.49]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA15576; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:54:51 -0700 (PDT) From: _boursy@alt.net (&ISP Ratings) To: "Dr.G" Cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Subject: Karen Lofstrom is very disrespectful Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:57:31 GMT Organization: *ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <35609020.8727783@mail.alt.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1967 Found this posted in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet and alt.forgery. On 11 May 1998 23:23:58 GMT, lofstrom@lava.net (Karen Lofstrom) wrote: -Dr. Jai Maharaj (address.below.or@web.site) wrote: - -: Examining the posts, there are strong indications that the tens of -: forgeries per day are originating from btinternet.com =20 -: are the work of one or more individuals at fielding.demon.co.uk -- -: lintilla@fielding.demon.co.uk in particular. - -What indications? You and lintilla loathe and despise each other, but -motive isn't sufficient evidence. - -For those who don't know Jai Maharaj, he's a long-time net kook and -net pest who has been guilty, in the past, of trolling, abusive -cross-posting, forging subscriptions to mailing lists, and junk -emailing. He also has a history of screaming "Help help I'm being -abused" and threatening lawsuits. In several cases it was indeed true -that he had pissed off someone sufficiently that that person decided -to get even by less-than-nice methods. However, he's cried "Wolf" -often enough that his word alone is insufficient evidence for any -wrong-doing. - -The most interesting thing about this whole brouhaha is that the -original luxmee@aol.com account was widely believed to be Jai's "sock -puppet". Luxmee would pop up and support anything that Jai said, or -post fawning compliments and claims to be writing a biography of the -illustrious "doctor". So far as I know, Jai has not used the sock -puppet account in a long time. It's very interesting that Jai is now -as much as admitting that he was responsible for the Luxmee account, -since he's the only one complaining about the "forgeries". If there -were a real Luxmee, surely that person would be the one complaining, -not Jai. - -I'm not sure that forging the address of a disused sock puppet account -could really be considered net-abuse. More like a shenanigan :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Mon May 11 21:56:02 1998 Return-Path: boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17894; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:25:00 -0400 Received: from 1Cust49.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net (1Cust49.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.79.49]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA16804; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:25:21 -0700 (PDT) From: boursy@alt.net (&ISP Ratings) To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" Cc: "Dr.G" , "S.P." , , , , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , "DSA Computers" Subject: One of many examples from news.admin.net-abuse.usenet Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:28:01 GMT Organization: *ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <35659756.10573296@mail.alt.net> References: <199805101203.IAA06195@www3.localweb.com> In-Reply-To: <199805101203.IAA06195@www3.localweb.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 2553 On Mon, 11 May 1998 17:08:29 -0700, "Robert H. Eisner" wrote: -It looks like our Rogue Canceller in Singapore has decided to cancel -more articles in soc.culture.singapore & soc.culture.malaysia!!! - -The cancels appear to be originating from two ISP in Singapore. - - Pacific.net.sg and Cyberway.com.sg - -I think it may be time to turn on DtR in those two groups!!! - -These are the headers of the two cancels that just show up!!! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - - -Rogue Cancel from Cyberway.com.sg - -From: "Robert H. Eisner" -Control: cancel <6j7rjm$cdb@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> -Newsgroups: -news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.malaysia -Subject: Cancel "Rogue Cancels in soc.culture.singapore & -soc.culture.malaysia from pacific.net.sg" -Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:51:07 GMT -Message-ID: <35578ee9.1692886@news.cyberway.com.sg> -X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 -MIME-Version: 1.0 -Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii -Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.116.125.215 -Lines: 2 -Path: = -moon.pepperdine.edu!nntp2.cerf.net!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.g= sl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!n= ews.sprintlink.net!192.228.188.2!infeed.jaring.my!news1.jaring.my!newsvr.= cyberway.com.sg!news.cyberway.com.sg!203.116.125.215 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - -Rogue Cancel from Pacific.net.sg - -Path: = -moon.pepperdine.edu!nntp2.cerf.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!newsfeed.wli.= net!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsserver.pacific.net.sg!not= -for-mail -From: "Robert H. Eisner" -Newsgroups: -news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.malaysia -Subject: Cancel "More Rogue Cancels in soc.culture.singapore & -soc.culture.malaysia from pacific.net.sg" -Control: cancel <6j7ufe$m7e@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> -Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:41:00 GMT -Organization: AT&T WorldNet Service -Lines: 1 -Message-ID: <35578c8b.1086596@news.pacific.net.sg> -NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn87ppp242.pacific.net.sg -Mime-Version: 1.0 -Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii -Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 -X-No-Archive: yes - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Mon May 11 21:56:02 1998 Return-Path: boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17894; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:25:00 -0400 Received: from 1Cust49.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net (1Cust49.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.79.49]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA16804; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:25:21 -0700 (PDT) From: boursy@alt.net (&ISP Ratings) To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" Cc: "Dr.G" , "S.P." , , , , <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , "DSA Computers" Subject: One of many examples from news.admin.net-abuse.usenet Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:28:01 GMT Organization: *ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <35659756.10573296@mail.alt.net> References: <199805101203.IAA06195@www3.localweb.com> In-Reply-To: <199805101203.IAA06195@www3.localweb.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 2553 On Mon, 11 May 1998 17:08:29 -0700, "Robert H. Eisner" wrote: -It looks like our Rogue Canceller in Singapore has decided to cancel -more articles in soc.culture.singapore & soc.culture.malaysia!!! - -The cancels appear to be originating from two ISP in Singapore. - - Pacific.net.sg and Cyberway.com.sg - -I think it may be time to turn on DtR in those two groups!!! - -These are the headers of the two cancels that just show up!!! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - - -Rogue Cancel from Cyberway.com.sg - -From: "Robert H. Eisner" -Control: cancel <6j7rjm$cdb@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> -Newsgroups: -news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.malaysia -Subject: Cancel "Rogue Cancels in soc.culture.singapore & -soc.culture.malaysia from pacific.net.sg" -Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:51:07 GMT -Message-ID: <35578ee9.1692886@news.cyberway.com.sg> -X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 -MIME-Version: 1.0 -Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii -Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.116.125.215 -Lines: 2 -Path: = -moon.pepperdine.edu!nntp2.cerf.net!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.g= sl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!n= ews.sprintlink.net!192.228.188.2!infeed.jaring.my!news1.jaring.my!newsvr.= cyberway.com.sg!news.cyberway.com.sg!203.116.125.215 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - -Rogue Cancel from Pacific.net.sg - -Path: = -moon.pepperdine.edu!nntp2.cerf.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!newsfeed.wli.= net!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsserver.pacific.net.sg!not= -for-mail -From: "Robert H. Eisner" -Newsgroups: -news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.malaysia -Subject: Cancel "More Rogue Cancels in soc.culture.singapore & -soc.culture.malaysia from pacific.net.sg" -Control: cancel <6j7ufe$m7e@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> -Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:41:00 GMT -Organization: AT&T WorldNet Service -Lines: 1 -Message-ID: <35578c8b.1086596@news.pacific.net.sg> -NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn87ppp242.pacific.net.sg -Mime-Version: 1.0 -Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii -Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 -X-No-Archive: yes - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Mon May 11 21:55:59 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA27734; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:25:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199805120125.VAA27734@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 81663 via TCP with SMTP; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:17:38 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "S.P." , "Dr.G" Cc: "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: more tests Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:53:23 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 818 Hi Hacks ... Yesterday's tests were a partial success. Some discussion in N.A.N.A.*, regarding the activities of HipCrime's NewsAgent, shows that the cancels went out. Probably Dave the Resurrector brought the articles back, which doesn't matter really, since NewsAgent loops around, cancelling forever. Just didn't have the time to leave it running all day, but if somebody did, my guess is that it would wreak havoc. Will be running some more today, and wanted to request a list of groups to be cancelled. Anybody got any favorites? Would like to get a few porn and religious groups in on it this time. Any suggestions? Sorry to display my ignorance, but don't know shit about either porn or religion. (-: ... HipCrime P.S. has anybody else tried to get it running? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Mon May 11 23:58:54 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA29817; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:39:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199805120139.VAA29817@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 81687 via TCP with SMTP; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:32:26 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "S.P." , "Dr.G" Cc: , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: Re: IRS Agent Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 07:08:45 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 5547 Hi S.P... Don't know who/where IRS Agent is, but A.P.L has not answered my "shout out" on the F-K list, and hasn't responded to messages directed to any of hir mailboxes. Real strange, if you ask me. Sometime about 2 months ago, A.P.L sent me the results of hir "news server scan", which is a huge HTML file that lists connection attempts and possibly sign-on messages from *lots* of NNTP daemons. At that time, mentioned hir interest in NewsAgent too. Wanted a copy, when it became available. Have strolled through that file manually, picking what looked to be likely targets, but *none* of the servers in that list did me any good. The list is very long however, and so it isn't possible to do any exhaustive research. Might have to write a special program to do it. Easier would be if we could raise IRS Agent and/or A.P.L. ... HipCrime ---------- > From: S.P. > To: Dr.G > Cc: hipcrime@pgh.org; 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; clown@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: IRS Agent > Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 8:30 AM > > Dr.G wrote: > > > > On Mon, 11 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > > > > > Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:20:58 -0700 > > > From: "S.P." > > > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > > > Cc: "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > > > boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > > > hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > > > Subject: Re: HipCrime's NewsAgent v0.07 > > > > > > HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > > > > > Tried tons of servers off that list, but NONE > > > > of them allowed me to post anything. Just as > > > > with SMTP, the openness of servers has almost > > > > vanished. Probably something about "abuse". > > > > > > I saw that list, and noted that when I was posting last year, I tried > > > that list of servers. It comes from a link you can follow at replay. > > > The list was useless then, and now. However, there is an individual > > > Mike Enlow told me about who is constantly scanning for open servers. > > > The spammers pay for the information, and then abuse the server to spam > > > USENET, without the owner'e knowledge. Of course, in no time Lewis & > > > Co. has contacted the owner about the abuse, and the problem solved. > > > That is why the old list you were given is now outdated. I am > > > contacting Mike Enlow to see if I can get the contact for the maintainer > > > of this list--but to subscribe costs money. > > > > > > > P.P.S. Has anybody heard from A.P.L??? > > > > Sure would like to get some help > > > > with the "news server scan results" > > > > s/he sent me some time back > > > > > > Hipcrime, no matter what you are told, I am certain that APL is not IRS > > > Agent. APL probably knows IRS Agent, though. But APL and I mixed in > > > October on the old list, and the sentence structure of APL's messages > > > were entirely different that IRS's. Therefore, it is safe to conclude > > > that APL is not IRS. APL is just playing games again, but probably > > > knows IRS and is spoofing the list. If APL disagrees with this > > > assessment, then in private email refute my statement, as I was in close > > > communication with IRS, and IRS was very cool, while APL, who had not > > > the slightest understanding of business, > > > > Yes, but APL was after IRS, correct? > > I don't know, Dr. G, but I do know that it was APL who mixed with me on > the old list back in October, about my failure to get serial numbers for > the UCE on APL's all important schedule. And yet, IRS Agent was > communicating with me at the same time, in an entirely different, > helpful and instructive manner. Therefore, it is possible that IRS and > APL know each other very well, and, since IRS was a meow brigade member, > and are prone to such antics, some of them must know the answer. In any > case, IRS could answer many of the questions some hacks have been asking > about the location of open news servers and proxies known only to a > select few. > > > was trying to high pressure me > > > to get Enlow to give away a free serial number for the UCE, as if Enlow > > > should jump when some anon type like APL whistles. IRS got the serial > > > numbers from me, though, and unless APL can name the serial numbers, > > > then APL is not IRS. > > > > > > SP > > > > > > > I bet it is IRSAgent, because APL would not > > "confirm or deny" that s/he was IRSagent. > > Yes, you may be right, Dr. G, but perhaps, if APL could communicate with > you in private email, you can confirm that it is IRS, if APL can produce > the two serial numbers that I gave IRS Agent. > > > APL only came into existance when IRSAgent went out > > of existance. > > IRSAgent, whoever he/she is, would be an invaluable resource for > planning attacks, as IRS knew of many servers that were open, and many > proxies. Whoever IRS is, I wish that they would make this information > available to the hacks list, as it would be of benefit to all. Also, > IRS Agent was the only person who ever sent us email to the old list > that they were in contact with the Binary Bomber, and the Binary Bomber > knew all of the open servers and proxies. I cannot understand, Dr. G, > why IRS Agent just doesn't come out of the closet and get on this list. > > SP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Mon May 11 23:58:57 1998 Return-Path: ricardo@paranoia.com Received: from primus.paranoia.com (ricardo@primus.paranoia.com [204.145.225.20]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12712 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:24:12 -0400 Received: (from ricardo@localhost) by primus.paranoia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA14961 for sp@pgh.org; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:24:40 -0500 From: "Ric G." Message-Id: <199805120324.WAA14961@primus.paranoia.com> Subject: Re: HipCrime, please focus your cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups exclusively. In-Reply-To: <3557E58C.506B@pgh.org> from "S.P." at "May 11, 98 11:00:44 pm" To: sp@pgh.org (S.P.) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:24:40 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1153 > Personal note to HACKS list: If anyone on this list such as Igor, for > instance, wishes to refute my comments to HipCrime, then I welcome you > to explain how cancelling boring newsgroups like nanae will make a bit > of difference, other than the satisfaction of personal grudges between > some old-timers that are beneath the higher and pure purpose of the > hacks list. I am tired of all this talk about cancelling cabal idiots > and their poorly attended newsgroups. For every lurker at a nana.* > newsgroup, there are ten thousand at a porn newsgroup. If this list is > just going to be about beating up on weenies like Chris Lewis and > SPUTUM, then this list is going nowhere, and will soon sputter under the > mindless boredom of watching some exercise petty vendettas to the > exclusion of a greater good. If the point is to make changes on USENET then avoiding the cabal, at least initially, is the best bet. Being effective is the most important goal. If the cabal takes attention of and tries to attack porn being cancelled then hitting their groups or sending them lots of email might become effective. -Ric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Mon May 11 23:58:58 1998 Return-Path: ichudov@Algebra.Com Received: from www.video-collage.com (www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA14938; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:43:49 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id XAA16640; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06385; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:41:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199805120341.WAA06385@manifold.algebra.com> Subject: Re: HipCrime, please focus your cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups exclusively. To: sp@pgh.org (S.P.) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:41:00 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, drg@pgh.org, 007@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Reply-To: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov) In-Reply-To: <3557E58C.506B@pgh.org> from "S.P." at May 11, 98 11:00:44 pm From: ichudov@Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) X-No-Archive: yes Organization: Bool Sheet Software Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2192 S.P. wrote: > Also, HipCrime, try issuing your cancels during a time when it is > nighttime in the USA, from 9 pm to 5pm, because most of these smaller > ISPs that outsource the cleaning of their servers to Lewis are closed > during those hours, and thus, the cancelbot can run for a good 8 hours > before anyone in the US gets to work to address the problems and > complaints of the night before. I have no opinion on that politics -- I have not seen nanae in a while, But I would imagine that all that cleaning is automatic. > HipCrime, please consider cancelling > alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pre-teen It is a large kiddie porn group, > and the FBI is always trolling it looking for pictures of missing or > murdered children, and the religious groups are always trolling as well, > trying to find the people posting the porn pictures, who, by the way, > must have a network they use to post the illegal photos of kids through > open servers that only they know about, as the police have difficulty > tracking any of the notorious individuals who flood the newsgroup. That is not a good idea, imho, because due to the illegal/semilegal nature of this group any big stink is unlikely. > If you choose to cancel this newsgroup, HipCrime, I suggest that you > consider this: That those who have been complaining about all the rogue > cancels, people like Ed Foster and other cabal types, will be forced now > to post to news.admin newsgroups that someone is cancelling kiddie > porn! Imagine how stupid this will make the cabal look. It could also > finish off a few reputations, for I will immediately begin to inform the > media that cabal members are trying to protect the rights of the kiddie > porn groups to post illegal child porn pictures. What mihgt happen is just nothing. > By cancelling kiddie porn groups, you will be forcing Lewis and the > cabal to condemn you for issuing rogue cancels of illegal pictures, the > possession of which in the US can result in a ten-year prison sentence, > public humiliation, and a ruined reputation. Cancel the adult porn newsgroups, they are the bread and butter of the ISPs. - Igor. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Mon May 11 23:59:00 1998 Return-Path: 835@pgh.org Received: from default (1Cust4.tnt1.waipahu.hi.gt.uu.net [208.255.251.4]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA15926; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:51:28 -0400 Reply-To: <835@pgh.org> From: "pgh835" <835@pgh.org> To: , "Dr.G" Cc: , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , , Subject: RE: Karen Lofstrom is very disrespectful Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:51:44 -1000 Message-ID: <000001bd7d59$48253040$04fbffd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <35609020.8727783@mail.alt.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 633 Found several posts in the thread exposing Karen Lofstrom as a liar, censor, etc. . . . > -----Original Message----- > From: &ISP Ratings [mailto:_boursy@alt.net] > Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 1:58 PM > To: Dr.G > Cc: hipcrime@pgh.org; 1Hacks; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; > clown@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; > scumhater@pgh.org; sp@pgh.org > Subject: Karen Lofstrom is very disrespectful > > > > Found this posted in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet and alt.forgery. > > On 11 May 1998 23:23:58 GMT, > lofstrom@lava.net (Karen Lofstrom) wrote: > > [...] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 00:41:09 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA20698; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:34:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199805120434.AAA20698@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 81723 via TCP with SMTP; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:26:57 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "S.P." Cc: "Dr.G" , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: Re: The Necessity of Locating Open news servers Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:04:01 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 985 Hi Hacks ... Yes please trolls, start stirring the pot. Cancelling will continue today, so please also send me those groups you want to see effected. ... HipCrime ---------- > From: S.P. > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: Dr.G ; 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; clown@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; hipcrime@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: The Necessity of Locating Open news servers > Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 10:41 AM > > > > They are trying to restrain themselves publically. > > Yes, Steve, and this results in much cabal tension and agravation. It > will be a pleasure to watch it build. As soon as HipCrime asks, a few > trolls will help to stir the pot. > > I am contacting Enlow, to see if he can send someone our way who can > keep us informed about open servers, since he received such information > from someone who sold it to spammers. > > SP > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 00:41:11 1998 Return-Path: ricardo@paranoia.com Received: from primus.paranoia.com (ricardo@primus.paranoia.com [204.145.225.20]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA20813 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:35:10 -0400 Received: (from ricardo@localhost) by primus.paranoia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA16581 for sp@pgh.org; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:35:37 -0500 From: "Ric G." Message-Id: <199805120435.XAA16581@primus.paranoia.com> Subject: Re: HipCrime, please focus your cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups exclusively. In-Reply-To: <3557F555.48C0@pgh.org> from "S.P." at "May 12, 98 00:08:05 am" To: sp@pgh.org (S.P.) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:35:37 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1695 Sounds pretty good, though I'd probably work on PR that equates the Internet organization referred to as "The Cabal" as being the defenders of kiddie porn. Whatever group comes forward to cancel the kiddie porn (with an innocuous name like "The Net Protectors" or a more exciting one like "Hackers for Child Protection") could claim that their sole mission is to stop the kiddie porn that "The Cabal" is protecting. With something like that as the core issue, the rest of the PR can consist of talking about the attack on kiddie porn and "The Cabal". If successful, the media will take out the Cabal and associate them with kiddie porn and so our job is done. At the same time this looks like time for a Blitzkrieg in which every weapon should be deployed. Suggested tools: 1. Newsgroup cancels 2. Newsgroups floods (e.g. poetry) 3. Mass email to targets 4. Mass email distributed to USENET posted to propagate PR 5. Directed email to newspaper contacts (I saw a list of press contacts on one media website) 6. PR posted on various newsgroups (except for n.a.* groups) The n.a.* groups should be monitored but not attacked until they realize what's up. Then the group doing it could put out a press release saying that they've just attacked the den of child pornographers on their own turf with the intent to disrupt their illegal trade. All of these are just suggestions for a possible scenario. As long as you have a comprehensive plan I'm confident that you'll accomplish something significant. I've still got a few months on a rough contract that leaves me without enough time to contribute much to what's needed but am in full support. -Ric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 12:48:17 1998 Return-Path: boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10639; Tue, 12 May 1998 06:39:59 -0400 Received: from 1Cust248.tnt7.bos2.da.uu.net (1Cust248.tnt7.bos2.da.uu.net [208.254.144.248]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA05553; Tue, 12 May 1998 03:40:18 -0700 (PDT) X-UIDL: 894991709.000 From: boursy@alt.net (&ISP Ratings) To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" Cc: "S.P." , "Dr.G" , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: Re: more tests Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:42:52 GMT Organization: *ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <355926dd.3873378@mail.alt.net> References: <199805120125.VAA27734@www3.localweb.com> In-Reply-To: <199805120125.VAA27734@www3.localweb.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: U X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 435 Hipcrime wrote: - -Will be running some more today, and wanted -to request a list of groups to be cancelled. -Anybody got any favorites?=20 I never read the groups but alt.scientology and alt.christnet would stir up a hornets nest. alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.orientals is very popular.=20 alt.config would also cause a firestorm given the Chris Lewis statement that alt.* is dead. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 12:48:19 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA17503; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:12:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:12:10 -0400 (EDT) X-UIDL: 894991709.001 From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com Reply-To: "Dr.G" To: "S.P." cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: IRS Agent In-Reply-To: <3557FC8B.5814@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: U X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 5358 On Tue, 12 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:38:51 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: IRS Agent > > HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > > Hi S.P... > > > > Don't know who/where IRS Agent is, but A.P.L has not > > answered my "shout out" on the F-K list, and hasn't > > responded to messages directed to any of hir mailboxes. > s/he responded to mine. > APL is one of the meow brigade, I believe, and they live to troll and > basically accomplish nothing of any importance. > Let me bring you up to date, S.P. Years ago, this list was called the UFC (UseNet Freedom Council) and neither wireinfo or IRSAgent were aboard yet. After they came aboard, since they had been approved by Steve, I changed the name of the list to the "meow brigade." IRSAgent was going by "fluffy" then, and that is why I used the "meow brigade" name. As it turned out, the name "meow brigade" was being used by somebody else, and Dr. Jai asked be why we used the name. As I told him at the time, it was because of IRSAgent/fluffy that we had changed the name. In reality, it did not make much sense, so I changed the name to what we really are/or shall become, and that is hacks. > > Real strange, if you ask me. Sometime about 2 months > > ago, A.P.L sent me the results of hir "news server scan", > > which is a huge HTML file that lists connection attempts > > and possibly sign-on messages from *lots* of NNTP daemons. > I believe IRSAgent and ALP both used grendl9@neptune.net, and that is why I believe they are the same entity. Whether it is a guy or a girl is beyond me, but I will now find out. > Yes, and the list is probably worthless, HipCrime. Enlow told me only > the spammers who are willing to pay can get ahold of a good list of > resources. Perhaps Dr. G, who has a good relationship with Walt Rhines, > I believe, can find out who to contact so that we can get a list of open > servers that works. > Walt Rhines is now anti-spam and has a new web page at http://www.gtminet.net > I always thought that APL might have been some cabal/anti-cabal troll, > who just got off on playing everybody on both sides, living out some > kind of fantasy as a double-agent. But the list APL sent you, no doubt, > proves that APL is ignorant and not to be believed. > Dimitri told me that APL wants to fight too much, with us "Freedom-Hacks." > > At that time, mentioned hir interest in NewsAgent too. > > Wanted a copy, when it became available. > > Yes, and no doubt APL wanted you to give it away for free. Perhaps APL > can scrounge around in the parks and find a $20 bill, and then perhaps > APL can afford a copy of NewsAgent. > > > Have strolled through that file manually, picking what > > looked to be likely targets, but *none* of the servers > > in that list did me any good. The list is very long > > however, and so it isn't possible to do any exhaustive > > research. Might have to write a special program to do it. > > HipCrime, that list is probably a waste of time. I have seen such lists > before. If the list is long, it always means that the list is old. It > is very hard these days to find open servers to post from. The best > approach eventually might be to proxy through an open port somewhere, > using UNIX to spoof your IP address and path, and hijack a newserver. > If that can be done, let's DO IT. All we need is one server at a time to run NewsAgent from. Make the first target ALL of Chris Lewis's Articles, then move to Tim Skirvin and J.D. Falk. > Before you market NewsAgent, it might be advisable to do what Enlow did, > which was to make contact with people that sell this kind of information > to people like Enlow. Then you can offer an updated list to your > clients each week of open servers, as Enlow was planning to do. There > must be people on this list with contacts to spammers that are pissed > off enough to part with this valuable information. > > > Easier would be if we could raise IRS Agent and/or A.P.L. > NewsAgent os no good without an open NNTP server, so we must find one. Of all the Hundreds Of Thousands of news servers out there, we must be able to find some open ones. > IRS Agent must be concerned about security on this list, or otherwise, > IRS Agent would be here, as this is the coolest list going right now, > and can only get better. It does surprise me, thought, that Vulis does > not know how to contact IRS Agent. I already contacted APL/IRSAgent. If Vulis did, and IRS did not > respond to you, it means that IRS Agent does not trust this list's > security, which is odd, for IRS never emailed anyone unless using port > 3128 at vancouver-webpages which was open then, and spoofing the IP > address as well. Those are the lengths IRS went to, just to send an > email message from a hotmail account. > > SP What makes you think that Dimitri tried to contact IRSAgent? He did not mention that to me, and we talked on the telephone about IRSAgent a couple of weeks ago. -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 12:48:21 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA18843; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:23:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:23:50 -0400 (EDT) X-UIDL: 894991709.002 From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: IRS Agent In-Reply-To: <3557BB3B.7C96@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: U X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 5380 On Mon, 11 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Subject: IRS Agent > > Dr.G wrote: > > > > On Mon, 11 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > > > > > Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:20:58 -0700 > > > From: "S.P." > > > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > > > Cc: "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > > > boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > > > hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > > > Subject: Re: HipCrime's NewsAgent v0.07 > > > > > > HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > > > > > Tried tons of servers off that list, but NONE > > > > of them allowed me to post anything. Just as > > > > with SMTP, the openness of servers has almost > > > > vanished. Probably something about "abuse". > > > > > > I saw that list, and noted that when I was posting last year, I tried > > > that list of servers. It comes from a link you can follow at replay. > > > The list was useless then, and now. However, there is an individual > > > Mike Enlow told me about who is constantly scanning for open servers. > > > The spammers pay for the information, and then abuse the server to spam > > > USENET, without the owner'e knowledge. Of course, in no time Lewis & > > > Co. has contacted the owner about the abuse, and the problem solved. > > > That is why the old list you were given is now outdated. I am > > > contacting Mike Enlow to see if I can get the contact for the maintainer > > > of this list--but to subscribe costs money. > > > > > > > P.P.S. Has anybody heard from A.P.L??? > > > > Sure would like to get some help > > > > with the "news server scan results" > > > > s/he sent me some time back > > > > > > Hipcrime, no matter what you are told, I am certain that APL is not IRS > > > Agent. APL probably knows IRS Agent, though. But APL and I mixed in > > > October on the old list, and the sentence structure of APL's messages > > > were entirely different that IRS's. Therefore, it is safe to conclude > > > that APL is not IRS. APL is just playing games again, but probably > > > knows IRS and is spoofing the list. If APL disagrees with this > > > assessment, then in private email refute my statement, as I was in close > > > communication with IRS, and IRS was very cool, while APL, who had not > > > the slightest understanding of business, > > > > Yes, but APL was after IRS, correct? > > I don't know, Dr. G, but I do know that it was APL who mixed with me on > the old list back in October, about my failure to get serial numbers for > the UCE on APL's all important schedule. And yet, IRS Agent was > communicating with me at the same time, in an entirely different, > helpful and instructive manner. Are you SURE that was at the same exact time? Therefore, it is possible that IRS and > APL know each other very well, and, since IRS was a meow brigade member, > and are prone to such antics, some of them must know the answer. In any > case, IRS could answer many of the questions some hacks have been asking > about the location of open news servers and proxies known only to a > select few. I am saying I think they are the same entity, but I am not 100% sure about it. But I will now write to APL personally and ask. s/he has always been on good terms with me. > > > was trying to high pressure me > > > to get Enlow to give away a free serial number for the UCE, as if Enlow > > > should jump when some anon type like APL whistles. IRS got the serial > > > numbers from me, though, and unless APL can name the serial numbers, > > > then APL is not IRS. That is certainly possible, but not probable. Maybe APL does not want to admit to being IRSAgent. Like, why does APL say s/he will neither confirm or deny" that s/he is IRSAgent. > > > > I bet it is IRSAgent, because APL would not > > "confirm or deny" that s/he was IRSagent. > > Yes, you may be right, Dr. G, but perhaps, if APL could communicate with > you in private email, you can confirm that it is IRS, if APL can produce > the two serial numbers that I gave IRS Agent. > I will write to APL but I will not force him/her to confirm or deny they are IRSAgent. As you know, I deal with anon entities on this net and do not ask any questions. > > APL only came into existance when IRSAgent went out > > of existance. > > IRSAgent, whoever he/she is, would be an invaluable resource for > planning attacks, as IRS knew of many servers that were open, and many > proxies. Whoever IRS is, I wish that they would make this information > available to the hacks list, as it would be of benefit to all. Also, > IRS Agent was the only person who ever sent us email to the old list > that they were in contact with the Binary Bomber, and the Binary Bomber > knew all of the open servers and proxies. I cannot understand, Dr. G, > why IRS Agent just doesn't come out of the closet and get on this list. > Maybe the entity who existed as IRSAgent does not want to admit that he was the Agent. Remember, IRSAgent onll existed in a hotmail address and could not be traced. APL can be traced very easily, and if he is IRSAgent, he may not want to admit it. > SP > What we need is a few Open NNTP servers and not "IRSAgent." I believe that hotmail addres is forever gone. -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 12:48:24 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA25922; Tue, 12 May 1998 09:05:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:05:42 -0400 (EDT) X-UIDL: 894991709.003 From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "HipCrime International, unLtd." cc: "S.P." , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: more tests In-Reply-To: <199805120125.VAA27734@www3.localweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: U X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1211 On Tue, 12 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:53:23 +0530 > From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." > To: "S.P." , "Dr.G" > Cc: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, > clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, > scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: more tests > > Hi Hacks ... > > Yesterday's tests were a partial success. > Some discussion in N.A.N.A.*, regarding the > activities of HipCrime's NewsAgent, shows > that the cancels went out. > > Probably Dave the Resurrector brought the > articles back, which doesn't matter really, > since NewsAgent loops around, cancelling > forever. Just didn't have the time to > leave it running all day, but if somebody > did, my guess is that it would wreak havoc. > > Will be running some more today, and wanted > to request a list of groups to be cancelled. > Anybody got any favorites? Would like to get > a few porn and religious groups in on it this > time. Any suggestions? Try news.admin.net-abuse.policy It is a moderated newsgroup, so you need an approved line in the header. -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 12:48:26 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA26692; Tue, 12 May 1998 09:11:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:11:42 -0400 (EDT) X-UIDL: 894991709.004 From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: hipcrime@pgh.org cc: 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh, org@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Subject: Re: HipCrime's NewsAgent v0.07 In-Reply-To: <3561919f.9110198@mail.alt.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: U X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1246 On Tue, 12 May 1998, &ISP Ratings wrote: > Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:06:31 GMT > From: &ISP Ratings > To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" > Cc: "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org > Subject: Re: HipCrime's NewsAgent v0.07 > > Hipcrime wrote: > - > -P.S. does anybody know if this afternoon's > - testing resulted in any cancelling? > - > - Tried to issue cancels in the > - following groups: > - > > clips > > - austin.internet > > Has new posts--not nearly as many but > no complaints of cancels. > > - austin.usenet.config > > Group is completely empty today--no > new posts arrived! > > > - news.admin.net-abuse.usenet > > Lot's of complaints about cancels--Ed > Foster whining and Goldstein Masturbating. > Lot's of posting of headers--some speculation > that it could be connected with Hipcrime. > They are trying to restrain themselves publically. > > Steve > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 12:48:27 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA00016; Tue, 12 May 1998 09:48:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:48:30 -0400 (EDT) X-UIDL: 894991709.005 From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com Reply-To: "Dr.G" To: "S.P." cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: HipCrime ** focus cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups ** In-Reply-To: <3557E58C.506B@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: U X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2014 On Mon, 11 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:00:44 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: HipCrime, please focus your cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups exclusively. > > Personal note to HACKS list: If anyone on this list such as Igor, for > instance, wishes to refute my comments to HipCrime, then I welcome you > to explain how cancelling boring newsgroups like nanae will make a bit > of difference, other than the satisfaction of personal grudges between > some old-timers that are beneath the higher and pure purpose of the > hacks list. I am tired of all this talk about cancelling cabal idiots > and their poorly attended newsgroups. For every lurker at a nana.* > newsgroup, there are ten thousand at a porn newsgroup. If this list is > just going to be about beating up on weenies like Chris Lewis and > SPUTUM, then this list is going nowhere, and will soon sputter under the > mindless boredom of watching some exercise petty vendettas to the > exclusion of a greater good. > > HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > Hi Hacks ... > > Yesterday's > tests were a partial success. > Some discussion in N.A.N.A.*, regarding > the > activities of HipCrime's NewsAgent, shows > that the cancels went > out. Instead of just any newsgroups, let's focus the cancels on Chris Lewis personally. To do this click on the dropdown arrow in NewsAgent where it says "Cancel Everything" and replace it with "from header." The word "equals" then appears on the right side, and you insert "clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca" on the next line. With the above, then go to any newsgroup that Lewis frequents, and it should cancel all HIS Articles. The NEXT step is to develop software to disengage CancelMoose! Anybody know how to do that? -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 12:48:29 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA16365; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:24:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:24:31 -0400 (EDT) X-UIDL: 894991709.006 From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: hacks@pgh.org cc: 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, drg , goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Subject: IRS Agent IS APL In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970802222308.00683fc0@pop.NeptuneNET.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: U X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 2109 Here is living proof that IRS Agent is APL. On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, IRS Agent wrote: > Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 16:23:08 -0600 > From: IRS Agent > To: "Dr. John Grubor" > Cc: nfi@pgh.org > Subject: Re: fk@pgh.org & S.P. > > At 04:01 PM 8/2/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Dimitri/iMp/Jai/et.al: > > > >You guys that are getting the freedom-knights mailing list > >right now, please forward any relevant postings to the: > >fk@pgh.org > >address in this header. > > > >And majordomo is coming here soon. > >Dave has been gone for three days now, and when the > >dude gets gone on gigs, he sometimes neglects the > >F-K list for a week. Dave is not on this list yet, either. > > > >So, for all of you "kook" associates of mine, just send any relevant f-k > >stuff to fk@pgh.org -- Steve will then be able to log in and read > >the list, and then reply at will, from any address. > > > >I HAVE subscribed to the F-K list from my zeus address, and > >Dave has not been back for two days, so I guess there is not > >much happening there. (Steve said he misses the list, and this > >will give Steve a way to read it through the pghmain@pgh.org > >address) > > > >Now guess what! S.P. is writing to me, and he sounds like he > >wants to join us. > > I certainly would not trust him with any secrets at this point in time. > He seems to lack intelligence and lashes out in all directions. I don't > want him to have any of my email addresses. On the other hand, he > does rattle a lot of cages whcih can be quite amusing. > > >All nine of us have to approve him, so what do you each have to say about > >S.P.? He is a man, BTW. Can we trust this guy? > > In a limited way only. I cannot discern any clear principles behind > his actions. It seems to be a game for him (well for all of us > actually). He is under attack and may be seeking refuge. There > is no harm in providing succor and assistance, however, he seems > to unstable to trust at this point in time. > > > >Cheers, > > > >-John > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 12:48:31 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA24048; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:01:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199805121601.MAA24048@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 82342 via TCP with SMTP; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:53:34 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" X-UIDL: 894991709.007 From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "Dr.G" , "S.P." Cc: , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: Re: HipCrime ** focus cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups ** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:15:55 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: U X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 676 Instead of using "equals", use "contains" and "clewis", so that if he's munging, you'll still cancel him. > > Instead of just any newsgroups, let's focus the cancels on > Chris Lewis personally. To do this click on the dropdown arrow > in NewsAgent where it says "Cancel Everything" and replace it > with "from header." The word "equals" then appears on the right side, > and you insert "clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca" on the next line. > > With the above, then go to any newsgroup that Lewis frequents, and it > should cancel all HIS Articles. > > The NEXT step is to develop software to disengage CancelMoose! > Anybody know how to do that? > > -JG > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 12:48:32 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA24229; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:02:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199805121602.MAA24229@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 82367 via TCP with SMTP; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:54:38 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" X-UIDL: 894991709.008 From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "Dr.G" Cc: <835@pgh.org>, , , , , "drg" , , , , , "HipCrime" Subject: HipCrime's NewsAgent v0.07 self-extracting archives Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:30:14 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: U X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 893 Hi Hacks ... You can download HipCrime's NewsAgent v0.07 with these: http://members.tripod.com/~NewsAgent/SuperCede.exe http://members.tripod.com/~NewsAgent/NewsAgent007.exe The first file (SuperCede.exe) is the runtime libraries that you'll need. Download it, run it, and let it put the ten (10) DLL files where it wants to (i.e. it will copy them into C:\Windows\System). The second file (NewsAgent007.exe) is the program itself. Download it, run it, and again, let it put the files where it wants to (i.e. it'll create a folder called C:\NewsAgent, and'll put two files in there, NewsAgent.exe and NewsAgent.dll). Once you've completed these two steps, you're ready to go. To run HipCrime's NewsAgent, hit the Start button, pick Run from the fly-up menu, and enter this command: c:\NewsAgent\NewsAgent Good Luck, and happy cancelling. ... HipCrime ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 12:48:35 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA26917; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:16:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199805121616.MAA26917@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 82397 via TCP with SMTP; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:09:11 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" X-UIDL: 894991709.009 From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "Dr.G" , "S.P." Cc: "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: Re: HipCrime ** focus cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups ** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:45:22 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: U X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1535 Hi Hacks ... Would've cancelled some porn today, but news.vsnl.net.in doesn't carry a single alt.binaries.pictures.* newsgroup. None of them. Porno is pretty taboo in India, so maybe that's why. In any case, somebody else will have to get the porno groups. ... HipCrime P.S. does HACKS@PGH.ORG reflect messages to the whole list? It'd make it easier to send, than to this big copy-list. ---------- > From: HipCrime International, unLtd. > To: Dr.G ; S.P. > Cc: hipcrime@pgh.org; 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; clown@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: HipCrime ** focus cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups ** > Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 9:15 PM > > Instead of using "equals", use "contains" and "clewis", > so that if he's munging, you'll still cancel him. > > > > > Instead of just any newsgroups, let's focus the cancels on > > Chris Lewis personally. To do this click on the dropdown arrow > > in NewsAgent where it says "Cancel Everything" and replace it > > with "from header." The word "equals" then appears on the right side, > > and you insert "clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca" on the next line. > > > > With the above, then go to any newsgroup that Lewis frequents, and it > > should cancel all HIS Articles. > > > > The NEXT step is to develop software to disengage CancelMoose! > > Anybody know how to do that? > > > > -JG > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:45:41 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02159; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:03:13 -0400 Received: from satan (p24.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.189]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA20163; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980512095837.00b26aa8@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:01:59 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: IRS Agent Cc: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1176 howdy, >That is certainly possible, but not probable. >Maybe APL does not want to admit to being IRSAgent. > >Like, why does APL say s/he will neither confirm >or deny" that s/he is IRSAgent. The code of the HACKS is to always protect one another's identity from those who use "netcopping" to try to prevent future employment. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:45:43 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02165; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:03:14 -0400 Received: from satan (p24.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.189]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA20179; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980512100032.00b27384@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:02:08 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: IRS Agent Cc: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1389 howdy, >If that can be done, let's DO IT. >All we need is one server at a time to run >NewsAgent from. Make the first target ALL >of Chris Lewis's Articles, then move to >Tim Skirvin and J.D. Falk. Falk and Lewis are probably still cleaning megabytes of bouncin' binaries from their teeth. So is Nortel. Probably not a big issue on that giant pipe, but an act of aggression is definitive provocation. I believe Karen Lofstrom is talking to her provider now about help in deleting the mounds of shit that slammed into her mailbox. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:45:46 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA04337; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:15:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:15:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com Reply-To: "Dr.G" To: hipcrime@pgh.org cc: "S.P." , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: clewis search/contains In-Reply-To: <199805121601.MAA24048@www3.localweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1392 On Tue, 12 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:15:55 +0530 > From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." > To: "Dr.G" , "S.P." > Cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: HipCrime ** focus cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups ** > > Instead of using "equals", use "contains" and "clewis", > so that if he's munging, you'll still cancel him. > yes, but a search for clewis will not yield a find from clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca, will it? It may be better to use Chris +Lewis, right? That does use the boolean arguments, does it not? -JG > > > > Instead of just any newsgroups, let's focus the cancels on > > Chris Lewis personally. To do this click on the dropdown arrow > > in NewsAgent where it says "Cancel Everything" and replace it > > with "from header." The word "equals" then appears on the right side, > > and you insert "clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca" on the next line. > > > > With the above, then go to any newsgroup that Lewis frequents, and it > > should cancel all HIS Articles. > > > > The NEXT step is to develop software to disengage CancelMoose! > > Anybody know how to do that? > > > > -JG > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:45:48 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05269; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:20:56 -0400 Received: from satan (p24.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.189]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA22509; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980512101346.01652f18@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:19:47 -0700 To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: The Necessity of Locating Open news servers Cc: "S.P." , "Dr.G" , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1172 howdy, >Cancelling will continue today, so please >also send me those groups you want to see >effected. Can you do a strike on alt.humor.jewish,alt.music.jewish and alt.music.rage-machine? There are wonderful reactionaries there who will assume you're discriminating before they realize the enormity of what is occurring. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:45:49 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05274; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:20:58 -0400 Received: from satan (p24.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.189]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA22518; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980512101630.00a83db0@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:19:50 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: HipCrime, please focus your cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups exclusively. Cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1817 howdy, >I am tired of all this talk about cancelling cabal idiots >and their poorly attended newsgroups. For every lurker at a nana.* >newsgroup, there are ten thousand at a porn newsgroup. If this list is >just going to be about beating up on weenies like Chris Lewis and >SPUTUM, then this list is going nowhere, and will soon sputter under the >mindless boredom of watching some exercise petty vendettas to the >exclusion of a greater good. I'm just tired, period, and I need a giant spliff. Doctor! Do you have my medication? ;)-~ Much better. I agree: PORN is what funds the USENET machine, and destroying it will, ahem, "crush the state" in a microcosm by eliminating the economic viability of USENET. It will probably invoke the fastest results. I also say we target high-profile political groups and those who will squeal the loudest - especially righteous morons, of which there are more in alt.rush-limbaugh than the news admin geek.* groups. hugs, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:45:51 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05549; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:22:29 -0400 Received: from satan (p24.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.189]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA22681; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980512102111.01657d80@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:21:19 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: clewis search/contains Cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, "S.P." , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1195 howdy, >yes, but a search for clewis will not yield >a find from clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca, will it? > >It may be better to use Chris +Lewis, right? >That does use the boolean arguments, does it not? Chris Lewis, like all humans, is clearly not boolean. I do laugh out loud each time I read the name of Igor's software company however. take care y'all, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:45:53 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA05913; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:25:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:25:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "HipCrime International, unLtd." cc: "S.P." , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: HipCrime ** focus cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups ** In-Reply-To: <199805121616.MAA26917@www3.localweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1335 On Tue, 12 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:45:22 +0530 > From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." > To: "Dr.G" , "S.P." > Cc: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, > clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, > scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: HipCrime ** focus cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups ** > > Hi Hacks ... > > Would've cancelled some porn today, but news.vsnl.net.in > doesn't carry a single alt.binaries.pictures.* newsgroup. > None of them. Porno is pretty taboo in India, so maybe > that's why. In any case, somebody else will have to get > the porno groups. > > ... HipCrime > > P.S. does HACKS@PGH.ORG reflect messages to the whole > list? No. hacks@pgh.org is just the current final destination for any mail directed to the hacks.net hacks.net is second level removed, and can not be associated with us in any way. >It'd make it easier to send, than to this > big copy-list. why so. with just a dozen people, there is very little difference in transmission time, and we do not need any expansions. as goat has said, we do not need majordomo here, and I agree. majordomo can be fooled, but I can not be. -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:45:55 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07085; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:32:29 -0400 Received: from satan (p24.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.189]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA23889; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980512103105.01657b9c@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:31:12 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: HipCrime ** focus cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups ** Cc: "HipCrime International, unLtd." , "S.P." , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1318 howdy, >>It'd make it easier to send, than to this >> big copy-list. > >why so. with just a dozen people, there is very little difference >in transmission time, and we do not need any expansions. > >as goat has said, we do not need majordomo here, and I agree. > >majordomo can be fooled, but I can not be. Depends on how much work the "fool"er goes to. HipCrime, I dunno what mailer you use, but maybe you can incorporate the CC list into an alias list? take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:45:56 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA08262; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:38:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: hipcrime@pgh.org cc: "S.P." , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: fooling majordomo In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980512103105.01657b9c@paranoia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1111 On Tue, 12 May 1998, Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:31:12 -0700 > From: Spinoza Ray Prozak > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: "HipCrime International, unLtd." , > "S.P." , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: HipCrime ** focus cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups ** > > howdy, > > >>It'd make it easier to send, than to this > >> big copy-list. > > > >why so. with just a dozen people, there is very little difference > >in transmission time, and we do not need any expansions. > > > >as goat has said, we do not need majordomo here, and I agree. > > > >majordomo can be fooled, but I can not be. > > Depends on how much work the "fool"er goes to. HipCrime, I dunno what > mailer you use, but maybe you can incorporate the CC list into an alias list? > Maybe so, but it just seems more secure when you can always tell who else is reading this besides you. -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:46:00 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA09903; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:48:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199805121748.NAA09903@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 82737 via TCP with SMTP; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:39:28 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "Dr.G" Cc: "S.P." , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: Re: clewis search/contains Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:12:02 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2383 Hi Dr. G... Using "clewis" with a search type of "contains" WILL match "clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca", but "equals" will not. The search matches the full contents of the header, so for that address, you could also use "equals" and "" but "contains" is less stringent. Also, boolean operators are NOT supported. The search does only simple string matches. You know, string "equals" argument, or string "contains" argument, or "starts with" or "ends with", or even "lacks" (i.e. the header in question does NOT contain the given string). ... HipCrime ---------- > From: Dr.G > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: S.P. ; 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; clown@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: clewis search/contains > Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 10:45 PM > > On Tue, 12 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:15:55 +0530 > > From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." > > To: "Dr.G" , "S.P." > > Cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > > boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > > Subject: Re: HipCrime ** focus cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups ** > > > > Instead of using "equals", use "contains" and "clewis", > > so that if he's munging, you'll still cancel him. > > > > yes, but a search for clewis will not yield > a find from clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca, will it? > > It may be better to use Chris +Lewis, right? > That does use the boolean arguments, does it not? > > -JG > > > > > > Instead of just any newsgroups, let's focus the cancels on > > > Chris Lewis personally. To do this click on the dropdown arrow > > > in NewsAgent where it says "Cancel Everything" and replace it > > > with "from header." The word "equals" then appears on the right side, > > > and you insert "clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca" on the next line. > > > > > > With the above, then go to any newsgroup that Lewis frequents, and it > > > should cancel all HIS Articles. > > > > > > The NEXT step is to develop software to disengage CancelMoose! > > > Anybody know how to do that? > > > > > > -JG > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:45:57 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA08883; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:42:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:42:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, drg , goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Subject: APL=IRSAgent=female=binaryBomber Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 193 All indications are that APL is really a female and actually IS the binary bomber. I have not approached her yet but if she is the binary bomber, she can be of use to us, correct? -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:45:59 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09094; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:43:22 -0400 Received: from satan (p24.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.189]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA25362; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980512104125.00a8307c@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:42:16 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: fooling majordomo Cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, "S.P." , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 953 howdy, >Maybe so, but it just seems more secure when you can always tell >who else is reading this besides you. Agreed. SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:46:03 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA10514; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:51:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199805121751.NAA10514@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 82754 via TCP with SMTP; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:41:27 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "Spinoza Ray Prozak" Cc: "S.P." , "Dr.G" , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: Re: The Necessity of Locating Open news servers Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:12:55 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1770 These are on the list for tomorrow's cancel run. Any other requests? ---------- > From: Spinoza Ray Prozak > To: HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org > Cc: S.P. ; Dr.G ; 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; clown@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: The Necessity of Locating Open news servers > Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 10:49 PM > > howdy, > > >Cancelling will continue today, so please > >also send me those groups you want to see > >effected. > > Can you do a strike on alt.humor.jewish,alt.music.jewish and > alt.music.rage-machine? There are wonderful reactionaries there who will > assume you're discriminating before they realize the enormity of what is > occurring. > > take care, > SRP > > ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ > ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ > ] | 29A [ > ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ > ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ > ] 47 * > ]-------------------------------------------------------[ > > The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we > disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the > interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free > speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and > we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be > appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:46:04 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA10542; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:52:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199805121752.NAA10542@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 82787 via TCP with SMTP; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:43:33 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "Dr.G" , "Spinoza Ray Prozak" Cc: "S.P." , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: Re: HipCrime ** focus cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups ** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:17:17 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1997 Hi ... List doesn't matter. Just wanted to simplify the replies, and not have to check the list each time. Just made an address book entry. Simple. Nevermind. ... Bye ---------- > From: Spinoza Ray Prozak > To: Dr.G > Cc: HipCrime International, unLtd. ; S.P. ; 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; clown@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; goat@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: HipCrime ** focus cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups ** > Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 11:01 PM > > howdy, > > >>It'd make it easier to send, than to this > >> big copy-list. > > > >why so. with just a dozen people, there is very little difference > >in transmission time, and we do not need any expansions. > > > >as goat has said, we do not need majordomo here, and I agree. > > > >majordomo can be fooled, but I can not be. > > Depends on how much work the "fool"er goes to. HipCrime, I dunno what > mailer you use, but maybe you can incorporate the CC list into an alias list? > > take care, > SRP > > > ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ > ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ > ] | 29A [ > ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ > ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ > ] 47 * > ]-------------------------------------------------------[ > > The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we > disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the > interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free > speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and > we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be > appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:46:06 1998 Return-Path: hipcrime@mobsters.com Received: from warroad.k12.mn.us (warroad.k12.mn.us [207.229.213.5]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA11887; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:00:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199805121800.OAA11887@www3.localweb.com> Received: from localuser by warroad.k12.mn.us (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0) id 82832 via TCP with SMTP; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:53:01 -0500 Reply-To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." To: "Dr.G" , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , , Subject: Re: APL=IRSAgent=female=binaryBomber Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:22:42 +0530 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 924 Hi ... Sort of had this feeling that this equation was true. Didn't have anything to base it on, other that instinct; but, those aliases represent someone *not* on our list (who we wish was). How many people do think that is? Anyway, let's find this person, as she really does know how to work the NNTP daemons; and, that's the piece of expertise we need now. ... Bye ---------- > From: Dr.G > To: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; clown@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; drg ; goat@pgh.org; hipcrime@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org; sp@pgh.org > Subject: APL=IRSAgent=female=binaryBomber > Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 11:12 PM > > All indications are that APL is really a female > and actually IS the binary bomber. > > I have not approached her yet but if she is the binary > bomber, she can be of use to us, correct? > > -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:46:07 1998 Return-Path: 835@pgh.org Received: from default (1Cust167.tnt1.waipahu.hi.gt.uu.net [208.255.251.167]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA19496; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:44:52 -0400 Reply-To: <835@pgh.org> From: "pgh835" <835@pgh.org> To: "S.P." , Cc: "Dr.G" , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: Censor and freedom-enemy lintilla@fielding.demon.co.uk (Lintilla) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:44:58 -1000 Message-ID: <002c01bd7dd6$107ddfc0$a7fbffd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3557FC8B.5814@pgh.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 320 Phil Purle is a very well-known censor and forger who uses the address lintilla@fielding.demon.co.uk (Lintilla) He is organizing a campaign to mail-bomb Chris Caputo, president of one of the few truly freedom-oriented ISPs left. Meanwhile lintilla is continuing with his the forgeries. Any recommendations? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:46:10 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22061; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:00:16 -0400 Received: from satan (p04.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.169]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA29108; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:58:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980512115726.00b136e8@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:58:52 -0700 To: "HipCrime International -- http://www.HipCrime.com -- http://hipcrime.int.eu.org" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: HipCrime ** focus cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups ** Cc: "Dr.G" , "Spinoza Ray Prozak" , "S.P." , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1155 howdy, >List doesn't matter. Just wanted to simplify >the replies, and not have to check the list >each time. Just made an address book entry. >Simple. Nevermind. Gotcha. As you've seen, I'm more of a "fire reply-to-all button" kinda guy; hope that my comments were not too simplistic to be helpful. :S take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:46:08 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22076; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:00:25 -0400 Received: from satan (p04.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.169]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA29114; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:58:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980512115830.00cef9fc@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:58:56 -0700 To: <835@pgh.org> From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Censor and freedom-enemy lintilla@fielding.demon.co.uk (Lintilla) Cc: "S.P." , , "Dr.G" , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1245 howdy, >Phil Purle is a very well-known censor and forger >who uses the address >lintilla@fielding.demon.co.uk (Lintilla) > >He is organizing a campaign to mail-bomb Chris Caputo, >president of one of the few truly freedom-oriented >ISPs left. Meanwhile lintilla is continuing with his >the forgeries. > >Any recommendations? If that's where he gets his email, let's pave his ass tonight. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:46:12 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA23455; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:09:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:09:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: hipcrime@pgh.org cc: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Subject: Re: APL=IRSAgent=female=binaryBomber In-Reply-To: <199805121800.OAA11887@www3.localweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1086 On Tue, 12 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > Subject: Re: APL=IRSAgent=female=binaryBomber > > Hi ... > > Sort of had this feeling that this equation > was true. Didn't have anything to base it > on, other that instinct; but, those aliases > represent someone *not* on our list (who we > wish was). How many people do think that is? > > Anyway, let's find this person, as she really > does know how to work the NNTP daemons; and, > that's the piece of expertise we need now. > > ... Bye I have contacted her and am waiting for a response. I have also contacted wireinfo/iMp who I will be adding to the list as soon as he responds. iMp told me that Miss April left her husband and moved in with him. IRSAgent and wireinfo were together when we first met them a couple of years ago, remember, Steve. could it be that Miss April is APL/Binary Bomber? I remember IRSAgent saying in the past that the binary bomber war a female and I know that IRSAgent is APL now. SP, what do you think of APL if she is also IRS Agent? -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:46:13 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA27650; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:33:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:33:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: 835@pgh.org cc: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Censor and freedom-enemy lintilla@fielding.demon.co.uk (Lintilla) In-Reply-To: <002c01bd7dd6$107ddfc0$a7fbffd0@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 896 On Tue, 12 May 1998, pgh835 wrote: > Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:44:58 -1000 > From: pgh835 <835@pgh.org> > To: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Censor and freedom-enemy lintilla@fielding.demon.co.uk (Lintilla) > > Phil Purle is a very well-known censor and forger > who uses the address > lintilla@fielding.demon.co.uk (Lintilla) > > He is organizing a campaign to mail-bomb Chris Caputo, > president of one of the few truly freedom-oriented > ISPs left. Meanwhile lintilla is continuing with his > the forgeries. > > Any recommendations? > Tit for tat, and tell him so. Tell him that if he mailbombs caputo, then he AND his ISP's addresses will get mailbombed. -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:46:15 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA28337; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:37:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:37:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com Reply-To: "Dr.G" To: goat@pgh.org cc: 835@pgh.org, "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Censor and freedom-enemy lintilla@fielding.demon.co.uk (Lintilla) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980512115830.00cef9fc@paranoia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1042 On Tue, 12 May 1998, Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:58:56 -0700 > From: Spinoza Ray Prozak > To: 835@pgh.org > Cc: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, "Dr.G" , > 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, > clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, > scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Censor and freedom-enemy lintilla@fielding.demon.co.uk (Lintilla) > > howdy, > > >Phil Purle is a very well-known censor and forger > >who uses the address > >lintilla@fielding.demon.co.uk (Lintilla) > > > >He is organizing a campaign to mail-bomb Chris Caputo, > >president of one of the few truly freedom-oriented > >ISPs left. Meanwhile lintilla is continuing with his > >the forgeries. > > > >Any recommendations? > > If that's where he gets his email, let's pave his ass tonight. > > take care, > SRP I just tried to log on the MSN account and it is apparently being used. Hope it is open by tonight. -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:46:17 1998 Return-Path: 835@pgh.org Received: from default (1Cust78.tnt1.waipahu.hi.gt.uu.net [208.255.251.78]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA11804; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:55:01 -0400 Reply-To: <835@pgh.org> From: "pgh835" <835@pgh.org> To: "Dr.G" , <835@pgh.org> Cc: "S.P." , , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: RE: Censor and freedom-enemy lintilla@fielding.demon.co.uk (Lintilla) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:55:09 -1000 Message-ID: <000201bd7de8$3fba4aa0$4efbffd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 333 > From: Dr.G [mailto:drg@pgh.org] >> . . . >> lintilla@fielding.demon.co.uk (Lintilla) >> Any recommendations? > . . . > Tell him that if he mailbombs caputo, then he AND > his ISP's addresses will get mailbombed. -JG Will mention this publicly in alt.forgery ... Of course, his ISP is the UK giant(?) demon.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:46:19 1998 Return-Path: boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05164; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:27:55 -0400 Received: from 1Cust176.tnt7.bos2.da.uu.net (1Cust176.tnt7.bos2.da.uu.net [208.254.144.176]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA00724; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:28:05 -0700 (PDT) From: boursy@alt.net (&ISP Ratings) To: Spinoza Ray Prozak Cc: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: HipCrime, please focus your cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups exclusively. Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:30:35 GMT Organization: *ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <3559db13.5066531@mail.alt.net> References: <3.0.32.19980512101630.00a83db0@paranoia.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980512101630.00a83db0@paranoia.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1306 prozak@anus.com wrote: -howdy, Good evening. - ->I am tired of all this talk about cancelling cabal idiots ->and their poorly attended newsgroups. For every lurker at a nana.* ->newsgroup, there are ten thousand at a porn newsgroup. If this list = is ->just going to be about beating up on weenies like Chris Lewis and ->SPUTUM, then this list is going nowhere, and will soon sputter under = the ->mindless boredom of watching some exercise petty vendettas to the ->exclusion of a greater good. - -I'm just tired, period, and I need a giant spliff. Doctor! Do you = have my -medication? ;)-~ - -Much better. I agree: PORN is what funds the USENET machine, and -destroying it will, ahem, "crush the state" in a microcosm by = eliminating Porn is by far the most critical. That's dollars out of ISP pockets. -the economic viability of USENET. It will probably invoke the fastest -results. - -I also say we target high-profile political groups and those who will -squeal the loudest - especially righteous morons, of which there are = more -in alt.rush-limbaugh than the news admin geek.* groups. True--and the religion groups--the christians, jews and scientologists are equally crazy. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:46:21 1998 Return-Path: boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09074; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:51:26 -0400 Received: from 1Cust176.tnt7.bos2.da.uu.net (1Cust176.tnt7.bos2.da.uu.net [208.254.144.176]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA01512; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:51:35 -0700 (PDT) From: boursy@alt.net (&ISP Ratings) To: Spinoza Ray Prozak Cc: "Dr.G" , "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: IRS Agent Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:54:15 GMT Organization: *ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <3558e0e4.6556055@mail.alt.net> References: <3.0.32.19980512100032.00b27384@paranoia.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980512100032.00b27384@paranoia.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2576 Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: - -I believe Karen Lofstrom is talking to her provider now about help in -deleting the mounds of shit that slammed into her mailbox. Subject: Re: BTINTERNET.COM used for posting forgeries =46rom: lofstrom@lava.net (Karen Lofstrom) Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,alt.forgery,alt.internet.providers.uk Date: 11 May 1998 23:23:58 GMT Organization: Electric Teeth References: <356572cf.14253379@news.alt.net> Dr. Jai Maharaj (address.below.or@web.site) wrote: : Examining the posts, there are strong indications that the tens of : forgeries per day are originating from btinternet.com =20 : are the work of one or more individuals at fielding.demon.co.uk -- : lintilla@fielding.demon.co.uk in particular. What indications? You and lintilla loathe and despise each other, but motive isn't sufficient evidence. =46or those who don't know Jai Maharaj, he's a long-time net kook and net pest who has been guilty, in the past, of trolling, abusive cross-posting, forging subscriptions to mailing lists, and junk emailing. He also has a history of screaming "Help help I'm being abused" and threatening lawsuits. In several cases it was indeed true that he had pissed off someone sufficiently that that person decided to get even by less-than-nice methods. However, he's cried "Wolf" often enough that his word alone is insufficient evidence for any wrong-doing. The most interesting thing about this whole brouhaha is that the original luxmee@aol.com account was widely believed to be Jai's "sock puppet". Luxmee would pop up and support anything that Jai said, or post fawning compliments and claims to be writing a biography of the illustrious "doctor". So far as I know, Jai has not used the sock puppet account in a long time. It's very interesting that Jai is now as much as admitting that he was responsible for the Luxmee account, since he's the only one complaining about the "forgeries". If there were a real Luxmee, surely that person would be the one complaining, not Jai. I'm not sure that forging the address of a disused sock puppet account could really be considered net-abuse. More like a shenanigan :) -- Karen Lofstrom lofstrom@lava.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Tender, smells of goat, with a deep blue mold skin,=20 dusted with charcoal. =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:46:22 1998 Return-Path: 835@pgh.org Received: from default (2Cust54.tnt1.waipahu.hi.gt.uu.net [208.255.203.118]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA13356; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:20:27 -0400 Reply-To: <835@pgh.org> From: "pgh835" <835@pgh.org> To: <835@pgh.org> Cc: "S.P." , , "Dr.G" , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: Declaration of War? Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:20:30 -1000 Message-ID: <000401bd7e04$eff016e0$76cbffd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001bd7de6$4dd078a0$4efbffd0@default> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1895 I suppose acs@inetrex.com has declared WAR ( note the name of an accomplice in the "To:" header: betka@cardea.com ) > Subject: Re: BTINTERNET.COM used for posting forgeries > From: poltroon@wilhelp.com > To: betka@cardea.com > Cc: freedom-knights@jetcafe.org > Newsgroups: news.admin.censorship,alt.genius.bill-palmer, > alt.usenet.kooks,alt.fan.speedbump > Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:16:40 -0400 > Organization: Total Dis- > Message-ID: <355bac38.41939294@enews.newsguy.com> > References: > <356572cf.14253379@news.alt.net> > > <6j81ae$dhg@mochi.lava.net> > > <35579eb9.12465567@news.alt.net> > > > X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 > > > In newsgroup news.admin.censorship, post > , > address.below.or@web.site (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote: > >> lintilla@fielding.demon.co.uk (Lintilla) is the leading >> forgery suspect in the forgeries originating from >> BTINTERNET.COM (they are posted to appear as if from "Luxme" >> on soc.culture.indian and other newsgroups) >> >> Lintilla is now attepting to organize a >> campaign against Altopia: > More power to Lintilla! > > Altopia is a rogue site hosting the likes of Speedbump, Goober, > Dr Jai Maharaj, Colon James da Turd, Vulis/Fomin/Shlomo and some total > arsehole who morphs combinations of > "Gilbert T. Sullivan" to avoid killfiles. That's just for openers. > > Alt.net is going down, hard. > > -- > Rubbing the Kook Kabal's noses in their > own shit is not only fun, it's a duty. > acs (at) inetrex.com [Craig Sherwood from Toronto, Canada] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:46:24 1998 Return-Path: 835@pgh.org Received: from default (2Cust54.tnt1.waipahu.hi.gt.uu.net [208.255.203.118]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA01914; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:45:22 -0400 Reply-To: <835@pgh.org> From: "pgh835" <835@pgh.org> To: "S.P." Cc: , "Dr.G" , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, , , , , , , , <835@pgh.org> Subject: Karen Lofstrom is irritated ... Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:45:41 -1000 Message-ID: <000001bd7e08$743c7800$76cbffd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <000401bd7e04$eff016e0$76cbffd0@default> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1396 > Path: ...!news.he.net!news.lava.net!lofstrom > Subject: Re: BTINTERNET.COM used for posting forgeries > Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, > alt.forgery,news.admin.censorship,alt.internet.services > From: lofstrom@lava.net (Karen Lofstrom) > Organization: Electric Teeth > Message-ID: <6jaftm$45l@mochi.lava.net> > NNTP-Posting-Host: malasada.lava.net > Date: 12 May 1998 21:45:26 GMT > > Hmm. Things are getting interesting. I diss Jai Maharaj, and that > same evening, I get mailbombed. I post about the mailbombing, my post > is evidently cancelled. Part of the general attack on nanau, I'm > sure, but still irritating. > > I got 11 megs of binaries shunted into my mailbox by a bot that was > apparently injecting stuff at a uu.net POP in Sherman Oaks CA -- > possibly belonging to MSN, because any headers that showed the uu.net > POP also showed MSN as the next in the chain. The binaries were > forged to appear as if they came from me, and sent to invalid > addresses, so that they bounced back to me. > > Anyone have the phone numbers for the NOCs for MSN and uu.net? > > -- > Karen Lofstrom lofstrom@lava.net > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Because I could not stop for Death > He kindly left a message on my voice mail system -- Bryan O'Sullivan > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:46:26 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08059; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:30:09 -0400 Received: from satan (p05.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.140]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA17728; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:29:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980512182827.00b118f4@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:29:10 -0700 To: <835@pgh.org> From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Karen Lofstrom is irritated ... Cc: "S.P." , , "Dr.G" , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, , , , , , , , <835@pgh.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2338 howdy, more cabal ass well-paved. i love the smell of victory. take care, SRP >> Path: ...!news.he.net!news.lava.net!lofstrom >> Subject: Re: BTINTERNET.COM used for posting forgeries >> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, >> alt.forgery,news.admin.censorship,alt.internet.services >> From: lofstrom@lava.net (Karen Lofstrom) >> Organization: Electric Teeth >> Message-ID: <6jaftm$45l@mochi.lava.net> >> NNTP-Posting-Host: malasada.lava.net >> Date: 12 May 1998 21:45:26 GMT >> >> Hmm. Things are getting interesting. I diss Jai Maharaj, and that >> same evening, I get mailbombed. I post about the mailbombing, my post >> is evidently cancelled. Part of the general attack on nanau, I'm >> sure, but still irritating. >> >> I got 11 megs of binaries shunted into my mailbox by a bot that was >> apparently injecting stuff at a uu.net POP in Sherman Oaks CA -- >> possibly belonging to MSN, because any headers that showed the uu.net >> POP also showed MSN as the next in the chain. The binaries were >> forged to appear as if they came from me, and sent to invalid >> addresses, so that they bounced back to me. >> >> Anyone have the phone numbers for the NOCs for MSN and uu.net? >> >> -- >> Karen Lofstrom lofstrom@lava.net >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Because I could not stop for Death >> He kindly left a message on my voice mail system -- Bryan O'Sullivan >> > > > ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 01:13:47 1998 Return-Path: 835@pgh.org Received: from default (1Cust6.tnt1.honolulu.hi.da.uu.net [208.255.92.6]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA32553; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:43:10 -0400 Reply-To: <835@pgh.org> From: "pgh835" <835@pgh.org> To: "S.P." , Cc: "Dr.G" , "1Hacks" <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , , , , , Subject: RE: Call for opinions about cancelling Rush Limbaugh groups Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:43:30 -1000 Message-ID: <000001bd7e29$adad0c00$065cffd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35594B93.7E5D@pgh.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 203 > From: S.P. [mailto:sp@pgh.org] > ... > alt.fan.rush-limbaugh > alt.rush.limbaugh > ... Enjoyed reading the proposal. Would it be appropriate to add to the list: rec.arts.tv.rush-limbaugh ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Tue May 12 23:57:16 1998 Message-ID: <3559444B.646F@pgh.org> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:57:16 -0700 From: "S.P." X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dr.G" CC: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: APL=IRSAgent=female=binaryBomber References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1501 Dr.G wrote: > > All indications are that APL is really a female > and actually IS the binary bomber. Dr. G, on the old list, IRS Agent wrote to me regarding Enlow's request. Mike Enlow wanted to hire the Binary Bomber to spam USENET, so as to create and endless market for the UCE, a loop, if you will. I approached IRS Agent, and the reply I recieved, in substance, was: "I have communicated the request to the Binary Bomber, and SHE feels that the there are not enough open news servers at this time" to do what Enlow asked. > I have not approached her yet but if she is the binary > bomber, she can be of use to us, correct? Especially if the Binary Bomber can inform us as to where the open nntp's and proxies are. I want to run HipCrime's NewsAgent and blast the kiddie porn groups BIG TIME. However, my ISP might charge me $200 for the priviledge to do so, after closing my dial-up throwaway account. Dr. G, the more resources we have to work with, the more easily we can get the info we need--so I hope APL/IRS/Binary Bomber will PLEASE join this list--even anonymously, so that we can get this information. Otherwise, I intend to blast USENET from seperate dial-ups, and will leave NewsAgent running all night until the account is closed. But I would prefer to do the work through an open or hijacked server, as I can cancel from various State of Texas computers which I have access to, but those cancels will have to be done during the day. > -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 03:17:50 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA10363; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:01:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:01:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: pgh835 <835@pgh.org> cc: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Karen Lofstrom is irritated ... In-Reply-To: <000001bd7e08$743c7800$76cbffd0@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1886 Nice Job on this mailbombing of Karen! On Tue, 12 May 1998, pgh835 wrote: > Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:45:41 -1000 > From: pgh835 <835@pgh.org> > To: "S.P." > Cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, > al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, 835@pgh.org > Subject: Karen Lofstrom is irritated ... > > > Path: ...!news.he.net!news.lava.net!lofstrom > > Subject: Re: BTINTERNET.COM used for posting forgeries > > Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, > > alt.forgery,news.admin.censorship,alt.internet.services > > From: lofstrom@lava.net (Karen Lofstrom) > > Organization: Electric Teeth > > Message-ID: <6jaftm$45l@mochi.lava.net> > > NNTP-Posting-Host: malasada.lava.net > > Date: 12 May 1998 21:45:26 GMT > > > > Hmm. Things are getting interesting. I diss Jai Maharaj, and that > > same evening, I get mailbombed. I post about the mailbombing, my post > > is evidently cancelled. Part of the general attack on nanau, I'm > > sure, but still irritating. > > > > I got 11 megs of binaries shunted into my mailbox by a bot that was > > apparently injecting stuff at a uu.net POP in Sherman Oaks CA -- > > possibly belonging to MSN, because any headers that showed the uu.net > > POP also showed MSN as the next in the chain. The binaries were > > forged to appear as if they came from me, and sent to invalid > > addresses, so that they bounced back to me. > > > > Anyone have the phone numbers for the NOCs for MSN and uu.net? > > > > -- > > Karen Lofstrom lofstrom@lava.net > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Because I could not stop for Death > > He kindly left a message on my voice mail system -- Bryan O'Sullivan > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 00:04:58 1998 Message-ID: <35594619.4326@pgh.org> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:04:57 -0700 From: "S.P." X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hipcrime@pgh.org CC: "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: How to Identify IRS Agent/APL--IRS had the only working copy of the UCE References: <199805121800.OAA11887@www3.localweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1894 HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > Hi ... > > Sort of had this feeling that this equation > was true. Didn't have anything to base it > on, other that instinct; but, those aliases > represent someone *not* on our list (who we > wish was). How many people do think that is? My instinct tells me, HipCrime, that IRS Agent was the boyfriend of APL. I don't know, thought. I do know that IRS Agent wrote me that he/she was older, perhaps mid-late 30's or more. However, as long as whoever claims they are IRS Agent can produce a working copy of Enlow's UCE cancelbot, then we can be sure that is IRS Agent, as only IRS and/or the Binary Bomber were beta testing it on USENET at alt.slack back in October. I believe that it is only important that IRS Agent get on the list and help, and it does not matter that anyone even know, as Dr. G can perhaps ask, via private email, for proof of a working UCE as a sure way to id IRS. > Anyway, let's find this person, as she really > does know how to work the NNTP daemons; and, > that's the piece of expertise we need now. Yes, IRS Agent was brilliant, and new every hiding place. I hope, Dr. G, that IRS and you can hook up, as I want to cancel out the kiddie porn groups from an open server somewhere, rather than on a dialup. > ... Bye > > ---------- > > From: Dr.G > > To: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; > clown@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; drg ; goat@pgh.org; > hipcrime@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org; sp@pgh.org > > Subject: APL=IRSAgent=female=binaryBomber > > Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 11:12 PM > > > > All indications are that APL is really a female > > and actually IS the binary bomber. > > > > I have not approached her yet but if she is the binary > > bomber, she can be of use to us, correct? > > > > -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 03:17:52 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA11023; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:12:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:12:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: hipcrime@pgh.org cc: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, drg , goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Subject: Re: alternate URLs In-Reply-To: <9A7E1C1CC2@law.syr.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1409 On Wed, 13 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:39:51 +0530 > From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." > To: "PGHhacks" , > <007@pgh.org>, <835@pgh.org>, , , > , , , , > , "Dr. John Grubor" This ended up as duplicate addresses in the other header. > Subject: alternate URLs > > Hi Hacks ... > > In the event that the "sacrificial" URLs > get taken down, here's an alternate set > that won't be posted in public: > > http://members.tripod.com/~hipcrime/SuperCede.exe > http://members.tripod.com/~hipcrime/NewsAgent007.exe > > Will be out-of-town for the next week or two, > so won't be able to respond to password requests > until after that. Will be allowing the public > to download NewsAgent, for however long these URLs > last: > > http://members.tripod.com/~NewsAgent/SuperCede.exe > http://members.tripod.com/~NewsAgent/NewsAgent007.exe > > Good luck and happy cancelling. > > ... HipCrime Let me know when you are leaving, so I can suspend the mail till you get back. -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 00:13:25 1998 Message-ID: <35594814.785B@pgh.org> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:13:25 -0700 From: "S.P." X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dr.G" CC: hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: SP's Reply to Dr. G re: IRS/APL References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1379 Dr.G wrote: > I have contacted her and am waiting for a response. > > I have also contacted wireinfo/iMp who I will be adding > to the list as soon as he responds. > > iMp told me that Miss April left her husband and moved in > with him. IRSAgent and wireinfo were together when we first > met them a couple of years ago, remember, Steve. > > could it be that Miss April is APL/Binary Bomber? > > I remember IRSAgent saying in the past that the binary > bomber war a female and I know that IRSAgent is APL now. > > SP, what do you think of APL if she is also IRS Agent? If APL is IRS, then I misjudged APL, and will apologize to APL, if this is so. If IRS is APL, Dr. G, then APL must have disbelieved my ability to get the two serial numbers from Mike Enlow, and was baiting me to get off my butt and deliver as I promised. Enlow was very slow to respond, as he was still working out the problems with his bot, but APL's goading did make me mad enough to pressure (beg) Mike to give me the serial numbers and get them to IRS as I promised, so, Dr. G, I can only "tip my hat" to APL, for so correctly manipulating me into performing as I promised. Apparently, IRS Agent is a master manipulator, and would be a valuable addition to the list. I hope that APL/IRS will consider joining the list. Please forward this to IRS/APL. > -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 03:32:49 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA11942; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:28:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:28:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: APL=IRSAgent=female=binaryBomber In-Reply-To: <3559444B.646F@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2934 On Tue, 12 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:57:16 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, > clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: APL=IRSAgent=female=binaryBomber > > Dr.G wrote: > > > > All indications are that APL is really a female > > and actually IS the binary bomber. > > Dr. G, on the old list, IRS Agent wrote to me regarding Enlow's > request. Mike Enlow wanted to hire the Binary Bomber to spam USENET, so > as to create and endless market for the UCE, a loop, if you will. > > I approached IRS Agent, and the reply I recieved, in substance, was: "I > have communicated the request to the Binary Bomber, and SHE feels that > the there are not enough open news servers at this time" to do what > Enlow asked. And that is exactly why I think that IRS Agent is a female. The "she" that was referred to was herself. > > > I have not approached her yet but if she is the binary > > bomber, she can be of use to us, correct? > > Especially if the Binary Bomber can inform us as to where the open > nntp's and proxies are. I want to run HipCrime's NewsAgent and blast > the kiddie porn groups BIG TIME. Ther is no sense in canceling kiddie porn articles. You should keep your focus on people, and not articles or newsgroups. We must all try and cancel all of Chris Lewis, and then move on to Skirvin, Falk, Lawrence, Vixie, SPUTUM, etc. Let's let the kiddie porn go untilwe get some CASH for canceling it. And the way we attack child porn is to attack the ISPs, and not the newsgroups that it is in. However, my ISP might charge me $200 > for the priviledge to do so, after closing my dial-up throwaway account. > Look, you use a dial-up for that purpose only. After that, everything is by telnet or remote NewsAgent. Never expose a dial-up to any possibility of complaints. > Dr. G, the more resources we have to work with, the more easily we can > get the info we need--so I hope APL/IRS/Binary Bomber will PLEASE join > this list--even anonymously, so that we can get this information. > I am in touch with APL now. I am not going to ask him/her if they are IRS Agent because that is a dead name, and a dead issue, and I already know that she is, by examining past correspondence. I have asked her (we shall assume it is female for the time being) > Otherwise, I intend to blast USENET from seperate dial-ups, and will > leave NewsAgent running all night until the account is closed. But I > would prefer to do the work through an open or hijacked server, as I can > cancel from various State of Texas computers which I have access to, but > those cancels will have to be done during the day. > Do you have v0.07 installed and working? -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 11:20:39 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA12545; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:36:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:36:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: How to Identify IRS Agent/APL--IRS had the only working copy of the UCE In-Reply-To: <35594619.4326@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 3053 On Wed, 13 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:04:57 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: hipcrime@pgh.org > Cc: "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: How to Identify IRS Agent/APL--IRS had the only working copy of the UCE > > HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: > > > > Hi ... > > > > Sort of had this feeling that this equation > > was true. Didn't have anything to base it > > on, other that instinct; but, those aliases > > represent someone *not* on our list (who we > > wish was). How many people do think that is? > > My instinct tells me, HipCrime, that IRS Agent was the boyfriend of > APL. I don't know, thought. I do know that IRS Agent wrote me that > he/she was older, perhaps mid-late 30's or more. However, as long as > whoever claims they are IRS Agent can produce a working copy of Enlow's > UCE cancelbot, then we can be sure that is IRS Agent, as only IRS and/or > the Binary Bomber were beta testing it on USENET at alt.slack back in > October. > Why would anybody want to claim that they "are" IRS Agent? I know that IRSAgent wrote from APL's address, so what you say could be true. But it is more likely that APL is the female, and the boyfriend is wireinfo/iMplant. > I believe that it is only important that IRS Agent get on the list and > help, and it does not matter that anyone even know, as Dr. G can perhaps > ask, via private email, for proof of a working UCE as a sure way to id > IRS. > All I am interested in are the open NNTP servers, so we can get NewsAgent working. Enlow's software is no longer relevant, it seems. > > Anyway, let's find this person, as she really > > does know how to work the NNTP daemons; and, > > that's the piece of expertise we need now. > I am working on that now. I am in touch with APL and wireinfo. > Yes, IRS Agent was brilliant, and new every hiding place. I hope, Dr. > G, that IRS and you can hook up, as I want to cancel out the kiddie porn > groups from an open server somewhere, rather than on a dialup. > Why do you want to cancel out the kiddie porn so bad. Hell, we can get money for doing that, so why do it for free. > > ... Bye I think we need a list of people to cancel, instead of a list of newsgroups. -JG > > > > ---------- > > > From: Dr.G > > > To: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>; 835@pgh.org; al@pgh.org; boursy@pgh.org; > > clown@pgh.org; dave@pgh.org; drg ; goat@pgh.org; > > hipcrime@pgh.org; ric@pgh.org; scumhater@pgh.org; sp@pgh.org > > > Subject: APL=IRSAgent=female=binaryBomber > > > Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 11:12 PM > > > > > > All indications are that APL is really a female > > > and actually IS the binary bomber. > > > > > > I have not approached her yet but if she is the binary > > > bomber, she can be of use to us, correct? > > > > > > -JG > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 11:20:42 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA12977; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:44:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:44:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: SP's Reply to Dr. G re: IRS/APL In-Reply-To: <35594814.785B@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2558 On Wed, 13 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:13:25 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: SP's Reply to Dr. G re: IRS/APL > > Dr.G wrote: > > > I have contacted her and am waiting for a response. > > > > I have also contacted wireinfo/iMp who I will be adding > > to the list as soon as he responds. > > > > iMp told me that Miss April left her husband and moved in > > with him. IRSAgent and wireinfo were together when we first > > met them a couple of years ago, remember, Steve. > > > > could it be that Miss April is APL/Binary Bomber? > > > > I remember IRSAgent saying in the past that the binary > > bomber war a female and I know that IRSAgent is APL now. > > > > SP, what do you think of APL if she is also IRS Agent? > > If APL is IRS, then I misjudged APL, and will apologize to APL, if this > is so. If IRS is APL, Dr. G, then APL must have disbelieved my ability > to get the two serial numbers from Mike Enlow, and was baiting me to get > off my butt and deliver as I promised. > That sounds like a reasonable assessment. The only thing I KNOW at this point is that IRS Agent wrote to me in the past from APL's neptune.net ISP and therefore they must be the same entity, or a" significant other" of the same party. > Enlow was very slow to respond, as he was still working out the problems > with his bot, but APL's goading did make me mad enough to pressure (beg) > Mike to give me the serial numbers and get them to IRS as I promised, So she was effective, it seems. > so, Dr. G, I can only "tip my hat" to APL, for so correctly manipulating > me into performing as I promised. Apparently, IRS Agent is a master > manipulator, and would be a valuable addition to the list. > Remember, IRS Agent was nothing but a hotmail address, and the only other source for IRS Agent's email was the neptune.net, which is APL. > I hope that APL/IRS will consider joining the list. Please forward this > to IRS/APL. > One step at a time. I first want to get the NNTP servers. APL may not want to get on the list yet. I have just started communicating with her yesterday, and I am still waiting for wireinfo to respond. Steve, do you remember that wireinfo and IRS Agent were always together when they first joined up with us in 1996? -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 11:20:43 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA13137; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:47:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:47:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, Spinoza Ray Prozak , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Call for opinions about cancelling Rush Limbaugh groups In-Reply-To: <35594B93.7E5D@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 167 All of this takes the focus off our main enemy, Chris Lewis. Rush Limbaugh is really a nobody on usenet, and I do not think we should waste our time on him. -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 11:20:45 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA13732; Wed, 13 May 1998 04:00:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 04:00:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: 835@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Alliances with Spammers In-Reply-To: <35595AD6.7F4B@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 999 On Wed, 13 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:33:26 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: 835@pgh.org > Cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, > al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Alliances with Spammers > > Hacks, > > I enclose a post from a cabal bastard who wants to shut down an honest > business whose only crime is spamming USENET. > > Does anyone think it might be of benefit to the hacks if someone who > these people like contacts them, and asks them for access to resources > that they may know about? In this way, we might find open servers, or > get access offered so we can flood their enemies. > > Dr. G, will spammers pay hacks to get revenge on the people who would > close their businesses? I don't know. Most of the spammers that I know went out of business already. Did you read Walt Rhines' web page? -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 11:20:46 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA14002; Wed, 13 May 1998 04:07:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 04:07:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: pgh835 <835@pgh.org>, hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: How Does Phoenix Know, or is he Guessing? In-Reply-To: <35597578.332F@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 4181 On Wed, 13 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:27:04 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: "Dr.G" > Cc: pgh835 <835@pgh.org>, hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, > al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: How Does Phoenix Know, or is he Guessing? > > Hacks, > > This SPUTUM nut Phoenix, who spends his nights fantasizing about Dr. G > and the evil Freedom Knights, seems to know more than he should. Is > what we are discussing being repeated at the Freedom Knights list? Or > is what Phoenix said just a lucky guess? > Just a lucky guess. Nothing on this list goes to the FK list. > However, after reading Phoenix's post, shouldn't we cancel > news.admin.censorship, so we are not playing any favorites? The cabal > seems to be critical that we are not cancelling our "pet groups". > Perhpas we should, to avoid cabal complaints of hypocrisy and Freedom > Knights being called hypocrites. > Dave is the only real "knight," and I think we should concentrate on people rather than newsgroups, for canceling. > SP > > > > > >From - Wed May 13 03:16:21 1998 > Path: news!global-news-master > From: spaminator@bigfoot.com (Phoenix) > Newsgroups: > alt.religion.scientology,alt.slack,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet > Subject: Re: $cienos using HipCrime Cancel Agent? > Date: 13 May 1998 00:52:09 EDT > Organization: Cabal Obsidian Order > Lines: 38 > Message-ID: > References: <3558EE6B.33E8@concentric.net> > <3559028E.73AA@concentric.net> > <3559122A.3577@concentric.net> > NNTP-Posting-Host: ts008d48.den-co.concentric.net > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-No-Archive: yes > X-No-Cabal: yes > X-Marks: The Spot > X-Spamford-Slayed: April 11, 1998 > X-Cuse: Whatever it is, I didn't do it > X-NFL-Champions: Denver Broncos > X-2X-National-Champions: UNC Bears > X-Html-LART:

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 > X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0 > Xref: news news.admin.net-abuse.usenet:115312 alt.slack:234127 > alt.religion.scientology:465156 > > In article <3559122A.3577@concentric.net>, drv1@concentric.net wrote: > > > Frank Copeland wrote: > > > > > > Let's try that again... > > > > > > > > > It looks to me like your average random rogue canceller, rather than the > > > CancelBunny. The same entity cancelled one of David Gerard's articles in > > > news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, said article having absolutely nothing to do > > > with $cientology. I'd suggest it has more to do with someone with a grudge > > > against SubGenii, given the, errr, active anti-spam stance of many of them. > > > > > > > > I sure hope you're right. He or she is still a fucking asshole for > > censoring me. > > > > In the words of J.R. "Bob" Dobbs: > > > > "Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke!" > > > > Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! > > AFAIK, the thing is a planned attack to attempt to jam the ability of > NANA.* > to function as well as get cancels eradicated from Usenet. I believe I > have > reason enough to know the Freedom Knights are behind it. They certainly > seem to have no problem with it. Various hierarchies are getting > attacked, > but somehow their pet groups seem completely unaffected. It appears to > be > some sort of response to increasing heat being placed on their cabal. > In any event, > this attack is *hardly* peculiar to alt.religion.scientology, so rest > (sorta) easy. :-) > It is all a guess. And actually, he says really nothing of significance here... -JG > -- > /\ Cabal Obsidian Order, Operative X (Directorate), aka CNS CXCIX > \ /\ Unit #400 of the Lumber Cartel (Big Lumber ain't just for > baseball) > \/ \ Proud 6-time Inducted Jailbird Into Tim Brown's Universal > Killfile > / \ "When the Cabal smiles, IT'S TOO LATE TO BE AFRAID!" - tinc > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 11:20:48 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA28869; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:03:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:03:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Subject: Doug Mackall In-Reply-To: <707ec6fd.35598747@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 9334 Anybody know this Doug Mackall guy? > Subject: Doug Mackall > > Usenet Death Penalties > > >From the New York Times March 5, 1998 Usenet Death Penalties: The Long > Arm Of the Self-Appointed Law By MATT RICHTEL > > NEWPORT BEACH _ Ten men, maybe a dozen. They work in anonymity, often > at night, spread across the globe. No one appointed > them or gave them title, but they dictate terms to > massive multinational companies and can silence the > little guy altogether. In the virtual anarchy that is > the Internet, they are the law. > > Meet the death penalty dozen. Collectively, they serve as deputy, > judge, jury of your peers and hangman in the fight against spammers > and > the companies that harbor them. Their role is controversial, > but they say Internet discussion groups will implode without > their help. > > "If we all stopped tomorrow," said Doug Mackall, an > anti-spammer based south of Los Angeles, "news servers > around the world would crash." > > The group's power and influence > surfaced again two weeks ago when > they threatened a Usenet Death > Penalty (UDP) against Netcom > Online Communications Inc. One of > the world's largest Internet > companies, Netcom was told that > if it didn't crack down on > spammers posting to news > discussion groups, then its > 600,000 users would not be > allowed to post any messages to > any groups. > > Last year, the group issued > short-lived UDPs against > CompuServe and UUNet, two of the > largest players. On a smaller > scale, the group has kicked > numerous servers off the Usenet > chain, accusing them of harboring > spammers or failing to crack down > on unsolicited advertisements > that inundate news groups. > They send out robots to cancel tens of thousands of pieces > of spam daily. > > To understand the significance of their effort, it is > necessary to understand that Usenet, like the rest of the > Internet, is unregulated. It is a sea of 40,000 discussion > groups that flows from one powerful computer server to > another. Individual Internet users tap into Usenet, > diverting a discussion group onto their own computer, then > add their own words and send it back out to the sea. > > To the self-appointed anti-spam forces, Usenet's very > existence is threatened by the unsolicited advertisements. > They say _ and it is not disputed _ that adult and sexually > oriented discussion groups are targets of thousands of > unsolicited postings that not only make comfortable > discussion impossible, but clog news servers so dramatically > that could slow to a crawl, or crash. > > But the question is, who are the anti-spam crime fighters? > And what gives them the right to monitor what goes in and > out of a sea of ostensibly uncensored content? > > "I'm nobody," said Mackall, a computer game programmer on > leave with an accident-related disability. "I'm just the > person who has the will and the means to deal with the > problem." > > In the sense that they hold no official title, receive no pay and are > volunteers, they all are nobodies. There is Rick Buchanan in New > Jersey, Brian Moore in Oregon, Chris Lewis in Ottawa, > Howard Knight in San Diego, Uncle Road Kill in Milwaukee, > one each in Korea, England and Germany, and a handful of > others. > > Generally speaking, they monitor pieces of Usenet's discussion groups > for spammers. Then they either manually or, more often, automatically > cancel the spam using robots. The robots _ often called > "cancel bots" _ are programs that can recognize spam and > then spread the word to the world's thousands of news > servers not to accept and pass along the postings. > > As individuals, they had been fighting spam on Usenet for > varying number of years more or less on their own. They came > together last summer when a couple of them had a brainstorm: > they decided to prove their worth to Usenet by temporarily > ceasing spam efforts. Buchanan said that within 48 hours, > some news servers were totally overwhelmed. > > The group then started to act more in concert. Their first > big splash came last August when they threatened UUNet with > the first organized UDP. The group more or less voted on the > UDP, in effect taking it upon themselves to act as a star > chamber for the whole of Usenet. UUNet acquiesced and > cleaned up its act. > > The group vehemently rejects any suggestion they are a > vigilante gang. They have a mantra: There is no cabal. > Others aren't so sure. > > David Hayes, a long-time Usenet user, news administrator and > founder of a group called Freedom Knights, rails against the > group. Even though Hayes says he agrees with some of their > anti-spam goals, he argues they are power hungry, that they > cancel messages based on personal bias, that they overplay > the threat posed by spam to Usenet. > > "It's paranoid to say Usenet will collapse without them," > Hayes said. "I have seen news groups filled with spam, but > Usenet seems to go on." > > He added: "They are akin to a gang saying, 'You're not going > to go here or we'll kick your butt.'" > > The anti-spammers say the proof of their acceptance is that > 90 percent of news servers continue to accept their cancel > messages. (The servers could easily be programmed not to > accept or process "third-party" cancel messages). Hayes > counters that only 50 percent of news servers accept the > cancel messages. > > Members of the death penalty dozen admit they are not always > above criticism. In the case of the CompuServe UDP, Buchanan > said the group may have hastily imposed the penalty without > giving proper advance notice. They have since implemented a > five-day warning period. > > They say they follow a strict mathematical formula to > determine what constitutes spam. The formula, which they > call the Breidbart Index, more or less defines spam as the > same message posted twenty different times over a 45 day > period. > > One member of the group keeps a daily log of all their > cancel messages and posts them in a news group. They admit > there is low-grade competition to see who can cancel the > most messages, with some logging more than a million cancels > a month. Meanwhile, they also say they police their own > ranks, criticizing, even ridiculing, other anti-spammers who > don't follow the rules. > > Administrators of some top Internet companies agree the > group provides a valuable service. Among them is Greg Ryan, > president of Exec-PC in Milwaukee, whose news servers are > among the 10 most used in the world. "Without all those > cancel bots, we'd be out of space in a day or two," Ryan > said. > > As for Netcom, its administrators said they were not angered > by the threat of a UDP, nor do they resent the group. Gene > Shimshock, the company's vice president of marketing, said > the anti-spammers forced Netcom to clean up spammers' acts > and implement anti-spam filters. In the end, Netcom had just > one question: Who are these guys? Asked one administrator: > "Who is Doug Mackall? What is he like?" Put another way: Who > was that masked man? > ------------------------------------------------------------- > We must target all of these spam-cancelers with NewsAgent. -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 20:58:05 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13681; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:59:07 -0400 Received: from satan (p08.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.173]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA01717; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:57:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980513094707.0175d8f0@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:58:07 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: How Does Phoenix Know, or is he Guessing? Cc: "S.P." , pgh835 <835@pgh.org>, hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1097 howdy, he's guessing - see the thread on "kooks" and demonization. the following, however, is hilarious: >> X-Html-LART:

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 take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 20:58:09 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13700; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:59:12 -0400 Received: from satan (p08.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.173]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA01732; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:57:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980513094814.017666ec@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:58:11 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Call for opinions about cancelling Rush Limbaugh groups Cc: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, Spinoza Ray Prozak , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1134 howdy, >All of this takes the focus off our main enemy, Chris Lewis. >Rush Limbaugh is really a nobody on usenet, and I do not think >we should waste our time on him. Cancelling Limbaugh gets more attention however - few are aware of the T.I.N.C.L. folks or care about their activities. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 20:58:07 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13711; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:59:16 -0400 Received: from satan (p08.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.173]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA01742; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:57:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980513094919.0175cd84@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:58:15 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: How Does Phoenix Know, or is he Guessing? Cc: "Dr.G" , pgh835 <835@pgh.org>, hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1293 howdy, > However, after reading Phoenix's post, shouldn't we cancel >news.admin.censorship, so we are not playing any favorites? The cabal >seems to be critical that we are not cancelling our "pet groups". >Perhpas we should, to avoid cabal complaints of hypocrisy and Freedom >Knights being called hypocrites. Let's cancel high profile traffic and make USENET financially unfeasible - becoming a worthy enemy, to create more worthy enemies. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 20:58:10 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13716; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:59:17 -0400 Received: from satan (p08.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.173]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA01749; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:58:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980513095105.0158161c@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:58:18 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: APL=IRSAgent=female=binaryBomber Cc: "S.P." , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1484 howdy, >Ther is no sense in canceling kiddie porn articles. You should keep your >focus on people, and not articles or newsgroups. We want public attention to our quest - cancelling the hidden moneymaker under USENET will do that. >And the way we attack child porn is to attack the ISPs, and not the >newsgroups that it is in. USENET is the biggest source of free porn in human history. If we take it out the ISPs will freak, as will the users. Which is good - we can then point out the system needs an update. Everyone profits from its inefficiency now, because they're all hiding their real activities: download p0rn! take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 20:58:11 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13738; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:59:22 -0400 Received: from satan (p08.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.173]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA01761; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:58:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980513095317.01765098@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:58:24 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Alliances with Spammers Cc: 835@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1022 howdy, > Dr. G, will spammers pay hacks to get revenge on the people who would >close their businesses? Protection is a viable gig; revenge in business is good money after bad. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 20:58:14 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16955; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:19:10 -0400 Received: from satan (p08.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.173]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA01766; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:58:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980513095433.00a7caa4@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:58:27 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Call for opinions about cancelling Rush Limbaugh groups Cc: hipcrime@pgh.org, Spinoza Ray Prozak , "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2796 howdy, i think this is an excellent and original idea. see if you can also get howard stern and maybe jesus christ as well. tell them they're all being censored, and we'll blame it on the cabal. we need to get a handle on this press thing. take care, SRP At 12:28 AM 5/13/98 -0700, S.P. wrote: >HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote: >> >> These are on the list for tomorrow's cancel run. >> >> Any other requests? > >HipCrime has asked for requests. I saw also that Spinoza suggested >cancelling the Rush Limbaugh groups. I think Spinoza has something >here, and ask you to consider this idea: > >Cancel these groups: >alt.fan.rush-limbaugh >alt.rush.limbaugh > >By cancelling Rush Limbaugh, and attaching messages to the cancels >saying, for instance, that "Rush Limbaugh is an asshole, and must be >censored", then it will no doubt stir Rush's fans up. > >But here is what I propose: As soon as the Hacks decide that Limbaugh >must go, I will be contacting Rush Limbaugh's office, informing Rush >that he WILL be censored for his "vile" opinions. > >Rush is just enough of an egomaniac to mention that his fans are being >censored on the USENET during his radio show. If this happens, then >more people will be aware of USENET issues. > >If HipCrime gives me permission, I will tell Rush's office that HipCrime >has "DECIDED" that all of Rush Limbaugh's fans "MUST" be wiped off of >USENET. > >The Rush Limbaugh listeners will love it, and Rush will love it all, >too, as it makes for good radio. And HipCrime, perhaps, would enjoy the >notoriety. > >I will begin making the calls to Rush's office, and several media >contacts, on Friday, so that Rush can start talking about it the next >week, after I hear from the rest of the hacks, who all have valuable >opinons, and from HipCrime, as I hope to hear Rush on the radion >bitching about "A Renegade Hacker named HipCrime is Censoring My Fans." > >SP > > ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 20:58:13 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13853; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:59:55 -0400 Received: from satan (p08.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.173]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA01775; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:58:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980513095730.0175f0cc@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:58:32 -0700 To: boursy@alt.net From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: HipCrime, please focus your cancels on kiddie porn newsgroups exclusively. Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1390 howdy, > -Much better. I agree: PORN is what funds the USENET machine, and > -destroying it will, ahem, "crush the state" in a microcosm by eliminating > > Porn is by far the most critical. That's dollars out of ISP pockets. I agree - and annoyed customers who will be upset at their menial jobs if they have not masturbated from 9-2 the previous night. > True--and the religion groups--the christians, jews and scientologists >are equally crazy. Yes, and they complain like mad freaks, which makes them the best target of all! take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 20:58:17 1998 Return-Path: boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15074; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:26:43 -0400 Received: from 1Cust12.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net (1Cust12.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.79.12]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01339; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:26:55 -0700 (PDT) From: boursy@alt.net (*ISP Ratings) To: Spinoza Ray Prozak Cc: "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, Spinoza Ray Prozak , "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Call for opinions about cancelling Rush Limbaugh groups Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:29:33 GMT Organization: ^ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <355d3a42.22565466@mail.alt.net> References: <3.0.32.19980513095433.00a7caa4@paranoia.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980513095433.00a7caa4@paranoia.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 604 prozak wrote: - -howdy, Good evening. - -i think this is an excellent and original idea. see if you can also = get -howard stern and maybe jesus christ as well. tell them they're all = being -censored, and we'll blame it on the cabal. An arab-Israili war would fuel a lot of flames. soc.culture.israel, = etc. A disgruntled anti-scientologist was whining about cancels in alt.scientology this AM--thought it was some grand conspiricy. -we need to get a handle on this press thing. alt.journalism? Steve - -take care, -SRP - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Wed May 13 20:58:19 1998 Return-Path: boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15293; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:28:33 -0400 Received: from 1Cust12.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net (1Cust12.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.79.12]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01374; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:28:50 -0700 (PDT) From: boursy@alt.net (*ISP Ratings) To: Spinoza Ray Prozak Cc: "Dr.G" , "S.P." , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: APL=IRSAgent=female=binaryBomber Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:31:28 GMT Organization: ^ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <355e3b21.22787946@mail.alt.net> References: <3.0.32.19980513095105.0158161c@paranoia.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980513095105.0158161c@paranoia.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 435 prozak wrote: - -USENET is the biggest source of free porn in human history. If we take= it -out the ISPs will freak, as will the users. Which is good - we can = then -point out the system needs an update. Everyone profits from its -inefficiency now, because they're all hiding their real activities: -download p0rn! =20 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Thu May 14 01:24:33 1998 Return-Path: boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04297; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:01:17 -0400 Received: from 1Cust132.tnt4.bos2.da.uu.net (1Cust132.tnt4.bos2.da.uu.net [153.36.97.132]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA06535; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:55:47 -0700 (PDT) From: boursy@alt.net (*ISP Ratings) To: "S.P." Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , hipcrime@pgh.org, "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Mission of HACKS Unclear/Phoenix Talks Like he is reading this list? Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 02:58:27 GMT Organization: ^ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <355a5c2e.6431468@mail.alt.net> References: <3.0.32.19980513095730.0175f0cc@paranoia.com> <355A8238.1397@pgh.org> In-Reply-To: <355A8238.1397@pgh.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1440 S.P. wrote: - -I await the return of HipCrime. I look forward to reading Ric and = Steve -and Spinoza and Igor. But I am fucking a beutiful new girl in the ass -every other night now, and loving it, and it is hard to bother with = such -PALTRY things as worrying about Little Lewis and Tiny Timmy Skirvin. Well you've your priorities in order. Have a good time! - -I am up for my new babe's butt, and for kicking butt at MCI, UU.net, = and -Sprint--the very bastards who have been dictating their shit to the -little ISPs,=20 One point of difference. While you are correct in saying that the large backbones try to dictate I have no sympathy whatsoever for any small (or large) ISP, news admin, or minimum wage abuse clerk that cowers even a little to them Companies (or individuals) such as that have no value and deserve no sympathy--they are cowards at best. Regardless of ones position in life you've a right to expect they'll behave with personal integrity. Vulnerable spots remain Porn, Porn, Porn, religion and politics in that order. But butt fucking comes first. And while you would bypass the lowly abuse clerk or a sys admin of a small system applying NoCem they above all deserve a good gang bang butt fuck. I dislike those types much more than UUNET or Sprint and I would suggest we ruin a few of their lives if they continue--offline. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Thu May 14 16:46:39 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA24489; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:41:50 -0400 Received: from satan (p00.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.225]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA00679; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980513232549.0163f530@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:40:42 -0700 To: boursy@alt.net From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Mission of HACKS Unclear/Phoenix Talks Like he is reading this list? Cc: "S.P." , Spinoza Ray Prozak , hipcrime@pgh.org, "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2162 howdy, > One point of difference. While you are correct in saying that the >large backbones try to dictate I have no sympathy whatsoever for >any small (or large) ISP, news admin, or minimum wage abuse >clerk that cowers even a little to them Companies (or individuals) >such as that have no value and deserve no sympathy--they are >cowards at best. Regardless of ones position in life you've >a right to expect they'll behave with personal integrity. > > Vulnerable spots remain Porn, Porn, Porn, religion and politics >in that order. But butt fucking comes first. And while you >would bypass the lowly abuse clerk or a sys admin of >a small system applying NoCem they above all deserve >a good gang bang butt fuck. I dislike those types >much more than UUNET or Sprint and I would suggest >we ruin a few of their lives if they continue--offline. I agree. With the bread and butter gone the little guys will have to actually differentiate themselves, and the big providers will find an _across the board_ resistance to rate increases/other bullshit. Also, help by mailbombing abuse addresses - the more we fuck up that system, the more it's likely they all wake up and realize the complainocracy of the "new" Internet is just costing them money to enforce the worthless ideas of whiners. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Thu May 14 16:46:41 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA24490; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:41:51 -0400 Received: from satan (p00.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.225]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA00693; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980513233008.01640484@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:40:46 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Mission of HACKS Unclear/Phoenix Talks Like he is reading this list? Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , boursy@alt.net, hipcrime@pgh.org, "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 3773 howdy, >Here is a post from Phoenix to nanau. How does this guy know what we >are talking about? >In the post below he wrote: "But they've been talking recently of >finding a way to get sites to quit accepting cancels, as well as >singling out places issuing NoCeMs, so be wary in trusting coincidence." It may just be traffic on the freedom knights list. If it's this list I'll be surprised and saddened. >BTW, it appears that, once again, these small-time cancels are having >the effect of bonding the cabal close together. I still say, that when >EVERYONE agrees on a single plan, then all of us can work together. Absolutely 100% fuckin' agreed. Or rather: a meta-plan, and each of us comes up with plans to support it in concert (I realize this seems semantic, and it is arguable that it is.) >As for me, I have NO interest in CENSORING Chris Lewis. No matter what >his abuse has been, canceling him is censorship. And it's worthless - taking revenge on one idiot out of millions does no good. Ruining his public rep by revealing that he is helping take the focus away from the real changes to the Internet (people love denial) is a better course of action. Remember: think strategically, act tactically. >Better to talk about embarassing the backbone providers. Absolutely. >I just took a tour today of a large Texas ISP. The owner showed me >their servers. His freind is the ownere of Dejanews. I now understand >how COMPLETELY VULNERABLE these little ISPs are to the dictates of the >backbone providers Sprint, MCI and UU.net. > >I see no advantage to doing anything other than working with ALL the >hacks to attack the big three ONLY. Or to reveal how they make their money, and to force a return to the socialist system of USENET. >I don't have time to read Lewis and >nanau anymore--they are boring newsgroups--totally meaningless. They are interchangeable - people who have nothing to do but serve a function. >USENET's natural state is chaos. There is no great chaos created by >cancelling a few posts. Unless we destroy all of USENET, which is also a viable course of action. >I await the return of HipCrime. I look forward to reading Ric and Steve >and Spinoza and Igor. But I am fucking a beutiful new girl in the ass >every other night now, and loving it, and it is hard to bother with such >PALTRY things as worrying about Little Lewis and Tiny Timmy Skirvin. Right on! >I am up for my new babe's butt, and for kicking butt at MCI, UU.net, and >Sprint--the very bastards who have been dictating their shit to the >little ISPs, while they rake in the porno bucks, as their CEO's and >executives attend church, while the porn dollars keep ringing in their >ears, putting a smile on their face. The usual hypocrisy of human society. Your other points seem reasonable as well. Let's hash it out and start action. take care all, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Thu May 14 16:46:35 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA24496; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:41:55 -0400 Received: from satan (p00.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.225]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA00700; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980513233209.00a73cf0@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:40:50 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: HipCrime's ISP nuked by MCI and cabal--Latest post. HIT THE BACKBONE BASTARDS!!! Cc: boursy@alt.net, Spinoza Ray Prozak , "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2313 howdy, > I can hear the cabal gloating. Another little ISP taken down, while a >big backbone provider like MCI runs over human rights--and sells porn to >its customers, but denys that they can control it. And while we do very little of substance to stop them. > Attacking the backbone providers who dish out porn to users could >eventually bring them to their knees, as public attention is turned onto >the scum like those at MCI, who just wiped out a news feed to some small >ISP, only because HipCrime issued a few thousand cancels. There are others who sell newsfeeds. But your points below are intense: > The backbone providers should be the target. And there should be a >unanimous consensus before attacks begin in earnest, once HipCrime gets >his bot to the masses. A combination of floods of porn to disney >newsgroups with the title "brougt to you by UU.net or MCI or Sprint" >Get all the porn you need with an AT&T unrestricted news feed", &c. >Then, scores of cancels, contacting media to try and plant stories, >cancelling Howard Stern's groups, Rush's groups--then chaos will return >to USENET--and WE WILL HAVE THE RESPECT OF OUR ENEMIES FOR A CHANGE. And of our future friends. The point is to reveal the system in progress and to reverse it. I like your strategic thinking; let us orchestrate our attacks around a single night or span of three days to slam USENET into chaos and then take over as voices of reason. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Thu May 14 16:46:37 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA24547; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:42:09 -0400 Received: from satan (p00.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.225]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA00715; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980513233329.0164522c@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:40:58 -0700 To: boursy@alt.net From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Call for opinions about cancelling Rush Limbaugh groups Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , "S.P." , hipcrime@pgh.org, Spinoza Ray Prozak , "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1394 howdy, > An arab-Israili war would fuel a lot of flames. soc.culture.israel, etc. >A disgruntled anti-scientologist was whining about cancels in >alt.scientology this AM--thought it was some grand conspiricy. > > -we need to get a handle on this press thing. > > alt.journalism? More likely issues they can't turn down, like a group of people destroying USENET to remove the "cover of obscurity hiding the real activity behind all the fuss over spam - the international transaction of child pornography and other images degrading to human beings"! SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Thu May 14 16:46:43 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA24704 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:44:41 -0400 Received: from satan (p00.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.225]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA01028 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980513234328.0163f530@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:43:37 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: US Senate Legitimizing Spam. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 907 howdy, dude, that was brilliant. i hope the laughter never dies! take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Thu May 14 16:46:44 1998 Return-Path: boursy@alt.net Received: from tofu.alt.net (root@tofu.alt.net [207.14.113.2]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA32105; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:03:15 -0400 Received: from 1Cust122.max19.boston.ma.ms.uu.net (1Cust122.max19.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.78.250]) by tofu.alt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA18058; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:03:33 -0700 (PDT) From: boursy@alt.net ({*ISP Ratings}) To: Spinoza Ray Prozak Cc: "S.P." , Spinoza Ray Prozak , boursy@alt.net, hipcrime@pgh.org, "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Mission of HACKS Unclear/Phoenix Talks Like he is reading this list? Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:06:13 GMT Organization: *ISP Watchers United Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Message-ID: <355fb340.3607419@mail.alt.net> References: <3.0.32.19980513233008.01640484@paranoia.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980513233008.01640484@paranoia.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 719 prozak wrote: -howdy, Good morning. - ->As for me, I have NO interest in CENSORING Chris Lewis. No matter = what ->his abuse has been, canceling him is censorship. - -And it's worthless - taking revenge on one idiot out of millions does = no -good. Ruining his public rep by revealing that he is helping take the -focus away from the real changes to the Internet (people love denial) = is a -better course of action. Right now Lewis is his own worst enemy. His public posts have been petty, arrogant and filled with lies--the cabal is slowly distancing themselves from him. His recent responses to Dave Hayes where downright pityful. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Thu May 14 16:46:46 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA12731; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:17:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:17:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: HipCrime's ISP nuked by MCI and cabal--Latest post. HIT THE BACKBONE BASTARDS!!! In-Reply-To: <355A77AC.36C6@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1280 On Wed, 13 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:48:44 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: boursy@alt.net > Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , "Dr.G" , > 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, > clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, hipcrime@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: HipCrime's ISP nuked by MCI and cabal--Latest post. HIT THE BACKBONE BASTARDS!!! > > Hacks, > > I can hear the cabal gloating. Another little ISP taken down, while a > big backbone provider like MCI runs over human rights--and sells porn to > its customers, but denys that they can control it. > > Attacking the backbone providers who dish out porn to users could > eventually bring them to their knees, as public attention is turned onto > the scum like those at MCI, who just wiped out a news feed to some small > ISP, only because HipCrime issued a few thousand cancels. > See, if we would have kept the cancels to Chris Lewis only, then this would not have happened. It is not very wise to cancel just any article in a newsgroup. We must direct all of this canceling to Chris Lewis and other "specific" people in the future; not to just newsgroups per se. -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Thu May 14 16:46:47 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA31956; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:19:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:19:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Mission of HACKS Unclear/Phoenix Talks Like he is reading this list? In-Reply-To: <355a5c2e.6431468@mail.alt.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2235 hipcrime cut until he gets back. he went to get an atom bomb for Lewis. On Thu, 14 May 1998, *ISP Ratings wrote: > Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 02:58:27 GMT > From: *ISP Ratings > To: "S.P." > Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , hipcrime@pgh.org, > "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Mission of HACKS Unclear/Phoenix Talks Like he is reading this list? > > S.P. wrote: > - > -I await the return of HipCrime. I look forward to reading Ric and Steve > -and Spinoza and Igor. But I am fucking a beutiful new girl in the ass > -every other night now, and loving it, and it is hard to bother with such > -PALTRY things as worrying about Little Lewis and Tiny Timmy Skirvin. > Hey, try fucking in the CUNT, and you can suck the tits better! > Well you've your priorities in order. Have a good time! > Yes, turn her OVER! > - > -I am up for my new babe's butt, and for kicking butt at MCI, UU.net, and > -Sprint--the very bastards who have been dictating their shit to the > -little ISPs, > > One point of difference. While you are correct in saying that the > large backbones try to dictate I have no sympathy whatsoever for > any small (or large) ISP, news admin, or minimum wage abuse > clerk that cowers even a little to them Companies (or individuals) > such as that have no value and deserve no sympathy--they are > cowards at best. Regardless of ones position in life you've > a right to expect they'll behave with personal integrity. > MCI just cut off hipcrime's NNTP server. > Vulnerable spots remain Porn, Porn, Porn, religion and politics > in that order. But butt fucking comes first. And while you > would bypass the lowly abuse clerk or a sys admin of > a small system applying NoCem they above all deserve > a good gang bang butt fuck. I dislike those types > much more than UUNET or Sprint and I would suggest > we ruin a few of their lives if they continue--offline. > > Steve Get a faggot to give then aids. {;-) -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Thu May 14 16:46:49 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01229; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:34:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:34:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: goat@pgh.org cc: "S.P." , boursy@alt.net, hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: Re: Mission of HACKS Unclear/Phoenix Talks Like he is reading this list? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980513233008.01640484@paranoia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1801 On Wed, 13 May 1998, Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote: > Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:40:46 -0700 > From: Spinoza Ray Prozak > To: "S.P." > Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , boursy@alt.net, hipcrime@pgh.org, > "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, > boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, > ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org > Subject: Re: Mission of HACKS Unclear/Phoenix Talks Like he is reading this list? > > howdy, > > >Here is a post from Phoenix to nanau. How does this guy know what we > >are talking about? > >In the post below he wrote: "But they've been talking recently of > >finding a way to get sites to quit accepting cancels, as well as > >singling out places issuing NoCeMs, so be wary in trusting coincidence." > > It may just be traffic on the freedom knights list. If it's this list I'll > be surprised and saddened. > > >BTW, it appears that, once again, these small-time cancels are having > >the effect of bonding the cabal close together. I still say, that when > >EVERYONE agrees on a single plan, then all of us can work together. > > Absolutely 100% fuckin' agreed. Or rather: a meta-plan, and each of us > comes up with plans to support it in concert (I realize this seems > semantic, and it is arguable that it is.) > > >As for me, I have NO interest in CENSORING Chris Lewis. No matter what > >his abuse has been, canceling him is censorship. Well, that is the ONLY thing I am interested in. If we can not wipe out Chris Lewis, then we are useless. Between Lewis cancels, Lewis mailbombs, Lewis DOS attacks and Lewis employer harassment, we MUST eliminate Chris Lewis. Nothing else matters till Lewis is down for good. -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Thu May 14 16:46:50 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02018; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:39:52 -0400 Received: from satan (p26.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.191]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA05745; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:38:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980514113523.00dbedb0@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:38:37 -0700 To: boursy@alt.net From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: More free web sites, courtesy of a moron Cc: "S.P." , Spinoza Ray Prozak , boursy@alt.net, hipcrime@pgh.org, "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 2358 >Return-Path: >X-Originating-IP: [194.237.7.130] >From: "Anos Shitman" >To: hockeyfrillen@hotmail.com >Cc: ashitman@anus.com >Subject: Addresses >Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 02:40:07 PDT > >E-Mail >Skitman@bigfoot.com >ashitman@hotmail.com > >Xoom1 >Skitman >Skitman > >Fortunecity1 >http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/mordor/207 >Username=Skitman >Password=Skitman > >Fortunecity2 >http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/nemesis/223 >Username=Skitman2 >Password=Skitman > >Fortunecity3 >http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/byker/183 >Username=Skitman3 >Password=Skitman > >Fortunecity4 >http://www.fortunecity.com/underworld/mortalkombat/457 >Username=Skitman4 >Password=skitman > >Fortunecity5 >http://www.fortunecity.com/underworld/riven/489 >Username=Skitman5 >Password=skitman > >Fortunecity6 >http://www.fortunecity.com/bennyhills/chapman/136 >Username=Skitman6 >Password=skitman > >Fortunecity7 >http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/westsound/65 >Username=Skitman7 >Password=skitman > >Fortunecity8 >http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/michelangelo/114 >Username=Skitman9 >Password=skitman > >Fortunecity9 >http://www.fortunecity.com/underworld/sim/493 >Username=Skitman10 >Password=skitman > >Fortunecity10 >http://www.fortunecity.com/underworld/lylat/460 >Username=Skitman11 >Password=skitman > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Thu May 14 16:46:52 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02058; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:40:01 -0400 Received: from satan (p26.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.191]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA05761; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:38:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980514113613.00b4d5dc@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:38:42 -0700 To: anus@anus.com From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: more free sites Cc: "S.P." , Spinoza Ray Prozak , boursy@alt.net, hipcrime@pgh.org, "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 2409 Hacks, Please make good use of these. Free web sites = more attack zones. take care, SRP >Return-Path: >Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:00:18 GMT >From: cityhall@fortunecity.com >To: viktor@anus.com >Subject: Welcome to FortuneCity > > >Congratulations, you've moved into your new home at >296,Jerningham Rd,Lavender Hill ! > >Your web address is: > >http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/jerningham/296/ > >Your username is: Viktor100 >Your password is: cool > >Follow the 'update your home' link from any of the main city pages to >create/upload your pages, or click on this link: > >http://www.fortunecity.com/acgi-bin/updatehome.pl > >Follow this link to check your mail if you requested a free email >account, or to create one if you didn't get one when you signed up: > >http://www.fcmail.com > > >Now that you've settled in, go ahead and explore >the city (ignore the dead bodies festering in back alleys for now... )! >Post your address on the Message Board; meet your neighbours; and >don't forget to check out the latest news from City Hall! Shop! Chat! >Don't be caught cat-napping in "the City that NEVER sleeps!" > >See our FAQ at http://www.fortunecity.com/faq.html for answers to most >of your common queries. > >And don't forget to register your site with all the search engines. >Our new autosubmit feature will automatically submit your site to the >top 6 search engines: > >http://www.fortunecity.com/registered/autosubmit.html > >FortuneCity Administration >cityhall@fortunecity.com > > ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Fri May 15 01:54:24 1998 Message-ID: <355C02C0.71DA@pgh.org> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 01:54:24 -0700 From: "S.P." X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Hayes CC: ISP_Ratings , "Dr.G" Subject: Re: Private References: <199805150521.WAA29083@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 4892 Dave Hayes wrote: > > ISP Ratings writes: > > S.P. wrote: > >> Dr. G, > >> > >> I agree with you whole heartedly that everyone must coordinate > >> their efforts to have any effect. > >> > >> It would be helpful if Dave would comment and provide some > >> direction. > > Yes it would be very helpful---I know he's still around as he's > > been posting here and there. > > I tried to provide direction long ago and you folks were too focused > on fighting the cabal (thus making them stronger) to be bothered to > listen. So far, all of the attacks I have witnessed have only served to strengthen my belief that the "cabal" grows stronger with each attack, as Dave says. > I hinted at it a few weeks ago even. I have stopped posting to USENET, because I have trigger fingers, and because I have noted that fighting and flamewars are a bother, and a waste of my energy. > I am a man of peace. My goals are not to "remove porn from the net", No one's goal is to remove porn from the net--it is to force ISPs to act like common carriers and nothing more. But probably there is no good way to accomplish this. > nor are they to "destroy Chris Lewis", I also have no desire to destroy Chris Lewis, but I am constantly overruled by Steve and Dr. G. > nor are they even "to cancel > messages by any rhyme or reason". My -true- goals have no conceptual > reference point by which most people may grasp them; the best I can do > is to say "to do the highest and best good for the help and health of > the people." No one can grasp them, Dave, because you are obscure in expressing them on USENET, but here you express a philosophy much akin to Gandhi's, and many can grasp his simple teachings of peace and goodwill. > What you folks are doing is pretty amusing to me, but I cannot > participate in any sort of terrorism, cancel wars, or mailbombing. If Dave can't do them, then certainly I cannot do them. I asked for Dave's opinion. He has been around much longer than I on USENET, and has far more insight into these issues than I do. Therefore, I will follow Dave's example, and will stop advocating those things. This probably means I must be removed from the list, but, Dave's words make much sense, and I can see that all of the mailbombing, canceling or floods in the world will not bring a resolution. > If -I- did these things, I'd do them real well...such that their > ISP would be off the net for a while. That kind of ability needs > tempering with a good dose of responsibility. That is why I respect you, Dave. Anyone can see from reading you that you are in control of yourself. > I have a lot on my plate right now. So do I. I am working on a large website, and seeing a new woman, which may lead to a serious relationship. > Besides running my own business, I > have a band which is getting more popular everytime we play, Dave, if you ever tour, come to Austin and play Antones. I saw Stevie Ray play there many times, and now all kinds of bands are welcome, not just blues bands. On Tuesday night, the SCABS play Caribe style music, and the whole house is packed, so that each band member makes $300, and there are seven of them. > I've a > software project that's not getting worked on as much as I want, and > I've a non-profit ISP to run. All these things take time. Dr G. is > right when he says I'm pretty busy...I am. > > If you really want my direction, then take to heart what I said about > suddenly becoming polite. I have. I even sent a private email to Sam about help with a spam I received. Steve, that guy wrote me a nice reply, and here I thought he hated my guts. Dave is right. Being nice builds bridges. > Instead of fighting the cabal, help those > who are being oppressed by it. Instead of mailbombing people, read > groups where a cybermob is threatening to censor someone and send that > someone some supportive email. Instead of cancelling messages, gather > resources together and start an ISP dedicated to free speech. > You call yourselves Freedom Knights, even against the stated criteria > in my FAQ, but Knights are there to help people...not belittle them. Dave, these are harsh criticisms, AND THEY ARE ALL TRUE! I am tired of acting like a bully, fighting with other bullies on USENET. > > It's amusing how much the cabal is looking for your approval Dave. > > *shrug* If there were something I could do about that, I would. They are not seeking your approval, Dave. They are trying to make you a freind, because they like you, as a person. > I seek no approval from others, and I do not believe approval should > be sought from others as a general rule. Unless your job depends on it, and rent is due. Dave, thanks for relating all this. Take care, SP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Fri May 15 02:06:16 1998 Message-ID: <355C0588.4C4B@pgh.org> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:06:16 -0700 From: "S.P." X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dave@jetcafe.org CC: prozak@anus.com, boursy@alt.net, hipcrime@pgh.org, "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Subject: To the Hacks from SP re: Dave Hayes' comments. References: <3.0.32.19980514113523.00dbedb0@paranoia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 901 Hacks, Through private email, Dave Hayes has more or less condemned what we are doing, advocating and discussing. Because I know that Dave is right, I can no longer participate on this list. We have all fallen into an old trap. Fortunately, it is easy to escape the trap once you see the way out. I just escaped thanks to my ability to learn from the experiences of others. I hope that Spinoza and Ric will understand that this is nothing personal, but Dave pretty much came down on us for how we are trying to accomplish our mission. In substance, Dave seems to infer, we are really no better than the "cabal". Therefore, it is not right that I be on this list anymore, and, to all of you, I want to say that this was one of the most interesting lists around. But please remove my email from the list when you communicate to the group. Take care, SP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Fri May 15 02:11:29 1998 Message-ID: <355C06C1.1508@pgh.org> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:11:29 -0700 From: "S.P." X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: drg@pgh.org CC: boursy@earthlink.net, dave@jetcafe.org Subject: Dave's Comments Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 881 Dr. G, After Dave's scathing attack of us, I feel it best that I move on. Please remove my email from the list, and please close my email addresses. After reading Dave's comments about how he could take an ISP off the net, but that such skill requires temperence, I see now how unfair it would be to attack ISP employees, to ruin lives, or to bring down an ISP, as I was allowed to tour one two days ago, and I would not want to harm the livlihood of these people. Thanks for allowing me to have a free email account, but what Dave said really struck home, and, as he has advised that people be nice and supportive, that is what I intend to do from now on. For me, this has everything to do with trusting the experience of others. I am an historian, I am trained to do this. I will do this. I am a man of peace from now on. Take care, SP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Fri May 15 15:48:01 1998 Return-Path: boursy@earthlink.net Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA21212; Fri, 15 May 1998 04:59:18 -0400 Received: from prosac (1Cust16.max19.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.78.144]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA08743; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805150859.BAA08743@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: boursy@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 05:02:12 -0400 To: "S.P." From: ISP_Ratings Subject: Re: Dave's Comments Cc: drg@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org In-Reply-To: <355C06C1.1508@pgh.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 751 S.P. wrote: > >Dr. G, > > After Dave's scathing attack of us, I feel it best that I move on. Dave does not believe in 'attacks' and I didn't take it as such. Must be your own personal projection. >Please remove my email from the list, and please close my email >addresses. > > After reading Dave's comments about how he could take an ISP off the >net, but that such skill requires temperence, I see now how unfair it >would be to attack ISP employees, to ruin lives, or to bring down an >ISP, as I was allowed to tour one two days ago, and I would not want to >harm the livlihood of these people. I disagree very strongly but do agree you should be removed from the hacks list. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Fri May 15 15:48:02 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA29828; Fri, 15 May 1998 07:42:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 07:42:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: "S.P." cc: boursy@earthlink.net, dave@jetcafe.org Subject: Re: Dave's Comments In-Reply-To: <355C06C1.1508@pgh.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1253 On Fri, 15 May 1998, S.P. wrote: > Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:11:29 -0700 > From: "S.P." > To: drg@pgh.org > Cc: boursy@earthlink.net, dave@jetcafe.org > Subject: Dave's Comments > > Dr. G, > > After Dave's scathing attack of us, I feel it best that I move on. > Please remove my email from the list, and please close my email > addresses. > 10-4. The address will be closed. > After reading Dave's comments about how he could take an ISP off the > net, but that such skill requires temperence, I see now how unfair it > would be to attack ISP employees, to ruin lives, or to bring down an > ISP, as I was allowed to tour one two days ago, and I would not want to > harm the livlihood of these people. > > Thanks for allowing me to have a free email account, but what Dave > said really struck home, and, as he has advised that people be nice and > supportive, that is what I intend to do from now on. > > For me, this has everything to do with trusting the experience of > others. I am an historian, I am trained to do this. I will do this. I > am a man of peace from now on. > > Take care, > > SP > I not any man of peace, but a paid professional killer. Cheers, -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Fri May 15 15:48:04 1998 Return-Path: drg@pgh.org Received: from www3.localweb.com (drg@www.localweb.com [204.69.248.200]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA30780; Fri, 15 May 1998 07:58:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 07:58:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dr.G" X-Sender: drg@www3.localweb.com To: ISP_Ratings cc: Dave Hayes , "S.P." Subject: Re: Private In-Reply-To: <199805150856.BAA08164@norway.it.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 4556 On Fri, 15 May 1998, ISP_Ratings wrote: > Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 04:59:21 -0400 > From: ISP_Ratings > To: Dave Hayes > Cc: "S.P." , "Dr.G" > Subject: Re: Private > > Dave Hayes wrote: > > > >ISP Ratings writes: > : > >> S.P. wrote: > >>> > >>> It would be helpful if Dave would comment and provide some > >>> direction. > >> > >> Yes it would be very helpful---I know he's still around as he's > >> been posting here and there. > > > >I tried to provide direction long ago and you folks were too focused > >on fighting the cabal (thus making them stronger) to be bothered to > >listen. I hinted at it a few weeks ago even. > > > >I am a man of peace. > > Ah--but I'm not. We all have our roles to play. Ghandi would not > have lasted very long, nor would Martin Luther King, without > your Eldridge Cleaver, etc. giving them protection. One works > closely with the other regardless of belief or whether they like > it or not. > Right, and the pacifists should be thankfull for us military men, because but for us, they would all be dead. The ONE rule that never changes is that "nice guys finish last." > There was a time that when I tried to present rational > argument calmly on usenet I'd be shouted down by the > mob--Dr. Grubor came to the rescue then with his > assaults--not men of peace. > Right, and I will continue to assault and KILL the motherfuckers. Just give me their telephone number, and I will call them and SCREAM at them, and make them incurr LOTS of Lawyers fees. > >My goals are not to "remove porn from the net", > > I've always enjoyed porn. And you know that is not > our goal at all--it is the bread and butter of the industry > and the quickest way to force them to turn off cancels. > > >nor are they to "destroy Chris Lewis", > > I've no desire to destroy him (he's doing a good job > of that himself) just to make him ineffective (which > he's also doing a good job of himself lately). > That is what I mean by destroying him. To STOP all of his cancels. > >nor are they even "to cancel messages by any rhyme > >or reason". > > Well I've always opposed cancels for any reason--seems > like the only way we'll get this done though is to have > everyone cancelling everything until they have to shut > them off--I strongly support this strategy. > > >My -true- goals > > Mine are tight pussy with lots of variety. > > >have no conceptual reference point by > >which most people may grasp them; the best I can do > >is to say "to do the highest and best good for the help and > >health of the people". > > I agree. > > > >If you really want my direction, then take to heart what I said about > >suddenly becoming polite. > > Yes--it's helped me a great deal in debate on usenet. But again > that comes down to personal disposition and good cop/bad cop > strategy--can't have a good cop without the bad running protection > and it's wise to acknowledge that rather than distance oneself > from it. > Exactly, and I will always play the BAD cop. > >Instead of fighting the cabal, help those who are being oppressed > >by it. > > Yes. > > >Instead of mailbombing people, read groups where a cybermob is > >threatening to censor someone and send that someone some > >supportive email. > But mailbombing is a lot more effective. > austin.general is a good example of that--a gentleman came > to the FK list asking for assitance. But private email is not enough; > public posts, behind the scenes intervention, etc. are all called for > when someone is trying to silence another--even if it means taking > off the gloves. > > >Instead of cancelling messages, gather resources together and start > >an ISP dedicated to free speech. > > > >You call yourselves Freedom Knights, > > I don't. > > >even against the stated criteria in my FAQ, > > As you said there were many contibutors. But you > are the guiding force behind the Freedom Knight concept. > > >but Knights are there to help people...not belittle them. > > Depends on the person. To belittle for the sake of belittling of > course is foolish if not downright cowardly and evil. But to > attack one who attacks other is a matter of honor--by my > definition. > > Steve > I am here to KILL Chris Lewis, period. -JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Fri May 15 15:48:06 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09535; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:38:46 -0400 Received: from satan (p10.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.175]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA18912; Fri, 15 May 1998 06:36:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980515062632.015cadac@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 06:37:21 -0700 To: rob@chop.isca.uiowa.edu, ricardo@paranoia.com, sp@pgh.org, pghadmin@pgh.org From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: more humour from the anus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1266 > Hi, the snotty snail! >I received your massage . I want to say that every of you are in anus with >my massage. Why didn't you appreciate all the people who want to talk to >you? What the hell are you thinking of you? See you in the coffin in the >white gym shoes!=20 >Be carefull with any of good people who will never excuse you for your >jokes! =F4=D9 =D0=CF=C7=C1=CE=C1=D1 =D5=CC=C9=D4=CB=C1!This is on my= language. >Katrin. > > ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Fri May 15 15:48:07 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09537; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:38:48 -0400 Received: from satan (p10.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.175]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA18920; Fri, 15 May 1998 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980515063209.00a78ad4@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 06:37:30 -0700 To: Dave Hayes From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: To the Hacks from SP re: Dave Hayes' comments. Cc: "S.P." , prozak@anus.com, boursy@alt.net, hipcrime@pgh.org, "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2476 howdy, here with some early morning words. why are you guys up so early? >An interesting way to put it. > >Part of what I said (in response to S.P.'s call for direction) was: > >"If you really want my direction, then take to heart what I said about >suddenly becoming polite. Instead of fighting the cabal, help those >who are being oppressed by it. Instead of mailbombing people, read >groups where a cybermob is threatening to censor someone and send that >someone some supportive email. Instead of cancelling messages, gather >resources together and start an ISP dedicated to free speech. > >You call yourselves Freedom Knights, even against the stated criteria >in my FAQ, but Knights are there to help people...not belittle them." Or in other words: offer a viable alternative, establish an objective, and in that context if part of what you must do is destroy, let it be a tactic and not a strategy. I thought the ISP idea was one of the best. I also believe the destruction of porn groups on the Internet is equally viable. Writing off either for reasons of pacifism, or non-pacifism, seems to be learning little from history. >> In substance, Dave seems to infer, we are really no better than >> the "cabal". > >Actually, I think you are one notch better. You all are able to learn >from your interactions. The cabal doesn't seem to have that ability, >with the exception of Russ Allbery. I believe there you are fooled. Allberry is not real. But I think that those hoping to change something had better define their strategic objectives beyond the battlefield, on both sides. good morning, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Fri May 15 15:48:09 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09503; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:38:42 -0400 Received: from satan (p10.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.175]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA18916; Fri, 15 May 1998 06:36:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prozak@anus.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980515062933.015ce670@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 06:37:25 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Before this goes into the shitter. Cc: dave@jetcafe.org, prozak@anus.com, boursy@alt.net, hipcrime@pgh.org, "Dr.G" , 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1837 howdy, > Through private email, Dave Hayes has more or less condemned what we >are doing, advocating and discussing. Because I know that Dave is >right, I can no longer participate on this list. Okay guys, we have a split - there's no reason not to take this logically and figure out where we stand - so far I have seen no real mission statement from other side of this, and think we should keep up discussion. I woke from an oddly related dream and think we shouldn't throw out the keys before we determine what's in the room; S.P., you've contributed a lot to this list and many of us agree with you; the situation is, however, that we often need to support multiple tactics at once. However, the overall situation needs a GOAL. If we need another list, then I'm down for that - there is no reason those people who are of honor who share objectives can't get along without sudden "withdrawal" and madness of retribution. Please drop me a line and let's discuss this. A very exhausted, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Fri May 15 15:48:11 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23188 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:27:29 -0400 Received: from satan (p22.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.247]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA09958 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 08:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980515082524.00d5f2ec@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:26:14 -0700 To: "S.P." From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: To the Hacks from SP re: Dave Hayes' comments. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 886 howdy, let's stay in touch. madness reigns! take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Fri May 15 15:48:12 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23192; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:27:30 -0400 Received: from satan (p22.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.247]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA09951; Fri, 15 May 1998 08:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980515082502.00a87fa8@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:26:12 -0700 To: "Dr.G" From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Mission of HACKS Unclear/Phoenix Talks Like he is reading this list? Cc: goat@pgh.org, "S.P." , boursy@alt.net, hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2050 howdy, >> >As for me, I have NO interest in CENSORING Chris Lewis. No matter what >> >his abuse has been, canceling him is censorship. > >Well, that is the ONLY thing I am interested in. >If we can not wipe out Chris Lewis, then we are useless. > >Between Lewis cancels, Lewis mailbombs, Lewis DOS attacks >and Lewis employer harassment, we MUST eliminate Chris Lewis. > >Nothing else matters till Lewis is down for good. I think we have to focus on making him obsolete. Otherwise, a fight is all he and the T.I.N.C.L. folks live for - it makes their insignificant lives seem important. Masochism is as common to society as stupidity; there must be some link, somewhere! Our mailbombing is gonna be ineffective until we can get some way around his filters - even reflectors can be easily filtered (grep for Mail Delivery Subsystem and boot at header level). His machines are virtual subsets of the nortel.ca network - which is huge. To take him out, I think the only effective policy is a road trip with an M1911-A1, and I don't know of anyone here who's down for that. Better to make him look stupid rather than justifying his hate war against USENET by behaving predictably. take care, SRP ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Fri May 15 15:48:14 1998 Return-Path: prozak@anus.com Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by www3.localweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23175; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:27:26 -0400 Received: from satan (p22.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.247]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA09936; Fri, 15 May 1998 08:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980515081739.00a8e628@paranoia.com> X-Sender: goat@paranoia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:26:06 -0700 To: "Dr.G" , sp@pgh.org, dave@jetcafe.org From: Spinoza Ray Prozak Subject: Re: Before this goes into the shitter. Cc: Spinoza Ray Prozak , boursy@alt.net, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 3894 howdy, >Dave and SP have been removed from this list >upon the recommendation of Steve. Steve is indeed the >Master of Usenet, and I always do as he recommends. I respect Steve as much as you do, but I think we should try to make use of their brains and power rather than shitcanning them outright. I've added them in the To: line for the purpose of my reply but not further replies. >Hipcrime is off until he returns, since he did not >return my last email. > >Here is the rule from now on: > >If I write to you and you do not return my email >within 24 hours, I will have to assume that you are >not receiving same, and I will suspend you from the list. Ack! I'm of the passion to go on frequent drug binges, so maybe cut me another 12 hours' slack? >APL and wireinfo both have a lot of expertise to lend here, >and we must make everything more secure. The only thing that will make it more secure is unsigned encryption - open email is insecure. >> Okay guys, we have a split - there's no reason not to take this logically >> and figure out where we stand - so far I have seen no real mission >> statement from other side of this, and think we should keep up discussion. > >I do not see any "sides." > >We are here to eliminate the Chris Lewis/Dave Lawrence cabal, and nothing >else comes before that. Right - there are two views about how to accomplish that. Viewpoint 1: We beat the obvious targets into the ground until they surrender (Professional viewpoint: Unlikely. They are caught in a sadomasochistic loop of response and reaction. They enjoy our battling them.) Viewpoint 2: We find a better system and implement it over their heads. Much as USENET now operates as a much more chaos-induced place because of overabuse by spammers it will operate as chaos once we implement systems that make more sense for supporting all traffic. >> I woke from an oddly related dream and think we shouldn't throw out the >> keys before we determine what's in the room; S.P., you've contributed a lot >> to this list and many of us agree with you; the situation is, however, that >> we often need to support multiple tactics at once. However, the overall >> situation needs a GOAL. > >Eliminate Chris Lewis, etc. That's a tactical goal; what are our strategic goals? > If we need another list, then I'm down for that - >> there is no reason those people who are of honor who share objectives can't >> get along without sudden "withdrawal" and madness of retribution. Please >> drop me a line and let's discuss this. >> >> A very exhausted, >> SRP > >They just quit the list, and it is no big thing. > >Dave would not have contributed anyway, out of >pacificism, and SP had no expertise. Dave and S.P. are the guys who got all of USENET including Lewis at el riled against them in the first place! It is no big thing, but we're losing members and focus. >What we need is more of igor's and Dimitri's and >hipcrime's programs, to DOS attack with. How many Cabal are there? ]-/-----------------------------------------------------[ ] The Dark Legions Archive / Death and Black Metal [ ] | 29A [ ] -|- the Oration of Disorder [ ] Friday 10-midnight on KSPC, 88.7 FM in Los Angeles [ ] 47 * ]-------------------------------------------------------[ The spirit of the net is mutual cooperation, no matter how much we think we disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be appreciated by our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From - Fri May 15 22:01:05 1998 Message-ID: <355D1D91.284E@pgh.org> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:01:05 -0700 From: "S.P." X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hipcrime@pgh.org, 1Hacks <007@pgh.org>, 835@pgh.org, al@pgh.org, boursy@pgh.org, clown@pgh.org, dave@pgh.org, goat@pgh.org, ric@pgh.org, scumhater@pgh.org, sp@pgh.org Subject: To Dr. G, Who Claims I Have No "Expertise". Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1212 Dr. G, I could take Lewis out for one week. My level of expertise is probably only exceeded by Dave Hayes. I do not advertise it. Has anyone ever seen "I Claudius"? I will begin my own personal attacks on Lewis, without your assistance. Perhaps when you see what a simple thing it is to do, then you will remember that there are far bigger issues at stake than taking Lewis down for the count. I announce to the hacks: Lewis is going down this week, if I have to work all week at it--and I won't be using any of the rather arcane tools I have seen discussed here. I thank Spinoza forwarding Dr. G's message to me. After Lewis is gone, perhaps we can begin doing something more important than taking this little man off of USENET. Perhaps we can then bore ourselves by attacking Tim Skirvin. Or we can break the very backbone of the net. It is well known that I have a trigger finger on the keyboard. I believe with Dave Hayes, though, that some of the efforts here to take "Lewis down" are amusing. Dave could wipe out an ISP for a week. I can wipe out Lewis and SPUTUM. When I do, let us see what Dr. G suggest the hacks can do to return the favor. SP