Subject: Gaelyne Gasson conference

My thanks to Robert Bernardo, who supplied a transcript of Gaelyne Gasson's conference on Delphi from August, 1998.

Pre-conference chatter

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RBERNARDO> Hello, there.
.Sharen> Hi Robert welcome
.Susan> hmmm what we have is a telnet account
.Joe> HI Robert
.Susan> hi robert
.Joan> Is she on it, or is she coming in Webside?
.Susan> sounds as if she's ghosted
.Joe> she is web side
.Susan> can't tell
.Joan> Yeah, sounds like. :(
.Susan> telnet shows a J too, joe
.Joe> oh OK
.Joan> I /sent to her too....nothing
.Susan> sounds like she's locked, then
.Joan> Ummmm. Not good
.Sharen> tenet doesnt have a J because I am telnetting in
> .Joan is too
.Susan> sharen, it does if you're using a browser telent
.Sharen> oic
.Joan> What do we do now?
.Susan> chuck will show as a J

.Sharen> you can do a song and dance Joan
.Susan> well, guess we wait for her to try again
.Maurine> Hi, Robert of Fresno. This is Maurine of Muskegon. Dave Witmer told me you had told him about this Delphi chat tonight.
> .Joan sings: You're suuuuure to falllll in loooove with oooooold Caaaape Coooood.......
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Mike> hello
.Susan> hi maurine...word has spread, huh?
.Joan> Hello Mikey, hugs
.Susan> hi mike, hugs
.Sharen> Hi Mike hugs
RBERNARDO> Hi, Maurine. Sorry that I can't make it to Dave's tonight.
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> .Joe watches Princess and LIttle bit run out of the room in Terror
.Mike> are we conferencing yet?
.Sharen> Hi Snog welcome
.Joe> HI Mike
.Joan> Yeah. There is just this minor technical difficulty.....
.Susan> hello snog
.Joe> HI nSnogpitch
(SNOGPITCH> Howdy all
.Susan> lol, joan...not minor
.Joan> THANKS, Joe.
RBERNARDO> Hi, Snog. (Dave) You made it.
.Susan> gaelyne is locked
.Maurine> I'm on Genie, but my son found you via the internet.
.Mike> tech difficulty?? what?/
.Joan> Hello, Snogpitch
.Joan> No GAEL, Mike
.Sharen> Gaelene seems to be locked up
.Maurine> Hi, Snog -- Joe did find Delphi for me.
.Joe> our Guest speaker is Ghosted
.Mike> geeeesh whats she usin a PC??
.Joan> I doubt it, Mike
.Sharen> smile when you say that Mike
.Mike>
.Joan> Maybe the pee cees scared her commie away. :)
.Gaelyne Gasson> I'll be right there -- I wanted to make sure I could connect before having breakfast. :-)
.Susan> actually, it's likely she is
.Joe> there she is
.Sharen> ther she is
.Joan> Ah! Panic is over!
.Susan> ah, ha! there shen is
RBERNARDO> Hi, Gaelyne.
SNOGPITCH> Congrats on making it...
.Mike> wheres chuck and fred and the reat
.Gaelyne Gasson> :-)
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.Susan> chuck will be here soon, i'm sure...he's fighting acold
.Susan> hi bill, hugs
.Gaelyne Gasson> :-)
.Joan> Hi Bill hugs
.Mike> hiya bill
WOVE> Good evening sorry I'm late.
.Sharen> G'day gaelyne
.Mike> ok susan
.Sharen> Hi Bill
.Joan> We didn't start yet, Bill
.Maurine> How do you check status on Delphi?
.Mike> i just made it here myself bill
.Susan> status?
.Mike> status?
.Maurine> like Genie /sta
.Susan> what is sta?
.Joan> What is that?
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.Joe> HI Ed
.Susan> hi ed
.Mike> hi ed
.Joan> hi ed
.Maurine> Who is in the room
.Ed> hi
.Susan> what does it tell you? o!
.Joe> oh do a /who
.Mike> what is status, what does it do?
.Susan> type /w
.Joan> Maurine, it is /WHO
WOVE> it is "/who"
.Maurine> thanks!
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SNOGPITCH> Not sure how you do a listing, Maurine...
.Susan> hi tim
.Joe> HI Tim
.Joan> Hi Tim
RBERNARDO> Hey, Tim!
.Mike> hi tim
WOVE> Hi Tim.
.Susan> /who will give you a list
WOVE> Hi Joan and Susan.
.Sharen> ** New group name "/gn Formal Con with Gaelene (com com con)"
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.Sharen> ** New group name "Formal Con w/ Gaelene Gasson (com com con)"
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.Ed> /gn???
.Joan> Pssst Sharen, it's Gaelyne
.Sharen> damit
.Mike>
.Mike> ooooo
.Ed> ** New group name "Formal Con w/ Gaelyne Gasson" selected **
.Susan> sharen, it's that pc keyboard
.Mike> lol sharen
.Sharen>
.Sharen> ** New group name "Formal Con w/ Gaelyne Gasson (com com con)"
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.Sharen> there
WOVE> What shift alt number pad 3 to type a y?
.Joan> Nice work
.Sharen> Hi Ed and Tim
.Gaelyne Gasson> That's better! :-) I say it as Gay LINN
.Mike> lol bill
.Sharen> How are you Gaelyne
.Susan> lol
.Mike> hi gay-linn
.Joan> Hello gaelyne Welcome to the com com zoo
.Sharen> you cant say it that way in San Francisco tho
.Mike> sharen
.Gaelyne Gasson> Not too bad - up a *little* early for a Sunday though. ;-) (It's 11am here)
.Maurine> Are you in Australia at this moment?
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.Susan> welcome errol
.Joan> Hello Errol
.Sharen> Hi Errol welcome
.Ed> Wove - on the PC, hold down ALT, press 121 on the keypad and release, that displays a lower case y
.Mike> what time is it there gaylyne
.Joan> What's that for?
.Gaelyne Gasson> I wouldn't be anywhere else, Maurine ---- nice to see you here, BTW! :-)
.ErrolSmith> greetings
.Joan> Why can't you just type "y"?
WOVE> Thanks Ed I thought windows would have a shortcut for y:)
.Sharen> susan when is chuck going to be here
.Mike> gee so simple, i would have had to write a prog to make the lower case Y
.Susan> soon, i hope sharen, he's fighting a cold
.Sharen> should we start
.Gaelyne Gasson> It's 11am, Mike. (And it's Gaelyne). GR for easy typing though.
.Joe> well he had better get over that cold by Wed.
.Mike> thanks GR
.Sharen> lets get started
.Sharen> I want to go over the rules
.Errol> hi Gaelyne, good to see you didn't sleep in this time
.Sharen> ? if you have a question
.Ed> Why is Gaelyne listed as idle?
.Sharen> ! if you have a comment
.Gaelyne Gasson> G'day, Errol! Glad you could make it.
.Sharen> please wait to be recognized before spoeaking
.Sharen> and use g/a or end when finished
.Sharen> any questions
.Sharen> I wasnt to welcome Gaelyne for being here
.Sharen> want
.Sharen> I wamt to welcome
.Sharen> Gaelyne
.Ed> !
.Sharen> ed
.Ed> She isn't in the room, she is listed under idle.
.Ed> end
.Sharen> not on my screen she isnt
.Gaelyne Gasson> Thank you Sharen...... are there any rules I need to follow?
.Ed> hmmm.
.Sharen> just use g/s when done
.Sharen> g/a
.Ed> it shows her and TimPhelps as both being idle.
.Sharen> I just got a pc and am trying to get used to the keyboard
.Ed> on my screen
.Tim> I am here. :/
.Joe>
.Gaelyne Gasson> Should I exit and return so Ed can see me?
.Sharen> no
.Tim> !
.Sharen> tim
.Joe> ED would have to be the one who leaves and comes back
.Ed> be right back, somethings not right here...
.Ed> - signed off -
.Tim> Is it because I and maybe Gaelyne are using the web?
.Susan> doubtfull, tim
.Sharen> no I think its Eds connection
.Gaelyne Gasson> I think I need to so my screen is set for 12 lines -- it's really hard for me to follow. I will be RIGHT back. I promise!
.Gaelyne Gasson> - signed off -
.Tim> OK end
WOVE> How do like the new keyboard Sharen. :(
.Joe> hope she gets back on OK
.Mike> yep
.Joan> Yeah. Sounds like the web is a problem tonight.
.Sharen> 'me too
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.Mike> sharen, think c64
.Sharen> its differnt
.Joe> there she is
.Sharen> re
.Susan> re hugs, gaelyne
.Sharen> ok any questions for Gaelyne
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.Joe> re ED
.Sharen> re Ed
.Joan> ?
.Edward Piecewicz> oh really???
.Edward Piecewicz> where did THAT name come from?
.Ed> there
.Gaelyne Gasson> Thanks!
.Ed> now everything looks ok
.Sharen> gaelyne do you have any opening comments
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.Joe> oh yeuck
.Joe> opps
.Mike>
.Gaelyne Gasson> - signed off -
.Sharen> oops
.Mike> oh o
.Joe> opps lost her again
.Joan> Oh BOOOYYYYYYY!!!!!! :( :( :(
.Ed> Now, whats going on...
.Mike> ?
.Mike> we lost her ed
.Susan> i think she bounced this time
.Sharen> she is all the way gone
WOVE> Should have came in telnet.
.Maurine> Australia is a long way away.
.Sharen> yup
.Ed> Just great, an important conference, and Delphi's conferencing system has to act up.
.Mike> yes bill that would be much better
WOVE> Its doing for the guests benifit I suspose.
.Ed> Well, now what do we do?
WOVE> Well Delphi has to handle so many teens looking for sex. It has little time for this formal stuff.
> .Joan gets out the cards
.Susan> we wait, ed
.Errol> I'm from Australia & I have no problems so far (web based, nonjava)
.Mike> where bill?
.Joan> Good to hear, Errol. Maybe Gaelyne has a chance then
.Sharen> hope so
.Ed> Break out the Foster's. :)
.Joan> Down, Mike. :)
.Susan> she'll make it...i've faith
.Sharen> down boy :)
.Barbi> Hi all. I will try to behave tonight
.Mike> good errol, hope we dont have another javalanch
.Joan> "Foster's is Austrailain for BEEAH
.Tim> Errol, what browser are you using?
.Joan> :) I love those commercials. :)
.Ed> Interesting that they say "beer" the same way we say it in New England, "beeah"
.Sharen> Errol where in australia are you
.Joan> I noticed that, Ed. :)
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.Joan> Hurray!!!
.Sharen> re
.Tim> In the U.S., there is Foster'S Doughnuts and Foster'S Ice Cream. :)
.Maurine> yay!
.Susan> re re gaelyne
.Ed> I enjoy watching Australian and British sports here, rugby and soccer/football.

Formal conference begins

.Sharen> Gaelyne do you have any opeingin comments
.Sharen> opening
.Gaelyne Gasson> Good time for a complete server crash, huh?
.Sharen> bummer
> .Joan gets out the Delphi conference glue
.Ed> things happen. :)
.Errol> Tim - Netscape3. I'm in Sydney, 30mins time difference from Gaelyne
.Ed> one half hour??
.Mike> send barbi ok
.Gaelyne Gasson> I think I'm OK on opening comments --- it's nice to be here and I'd like to thank you for the invite. G/a
.Joan> ?
.Sharen> ok anyone have any questions for our Guest
.Sharen> Joan
.Joan> Could you tell us what kind of basic equipment you are using to access the Internet with the C+? g/a
.Joan> er C=
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.Joe> HI Chuck hugs
.Gaelyne Gasson> Today I'm not using the C128, but I use a C128D (European model), SCPU128, ramlink, Turbo232 cartridge, and a 28.8k modem. g/a
.Chuck> Hi joe and all, huga
.Sharen> Gaelyne what projects are you current;y working on?? New book ??
.Joan> Can it be done with a standard 128 and a 2400 baud modem?
.Joan> Oh sorry
.Gaelyne Gasson> It can be done with a standard C64 and 1200 baud modem,
Joan. :-) g/a
.Sharen> what are your current projects
.Maurine> !
.Gaelyne Gasson> Currently we're setting up a Web server and may set up to offer Internet access as well.......
.Gaelyne Gasson> I'm also working on a book that's a compendium of my columns from BBS Magazine. g/a
.Sharen> great
.Joan> ?
.Sharen> maurine
.Maurine> Our club members are using your book to access on their 64s.
.Barbi> Do you mostly use the Commodore for word processing and graphics, rather than for the internet?
.Maurine> Question now too:
.Gaelyne Gasson> :-)
.Maurine> Do you have a regular site in Australia where you could be accessed from here? g/a
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.Patty> - signed off -
.Gaelyne Gasson> Indeed I do, Maurine. It's at: http://videocam.net.au and my home page is at http://videocam.net.au/gaelyne/ g/a
.Sharen> joan
.Joan> You are going to set up a web server for internet access on C= equipment?
.Joan> ga
.Ed> !
.Gaelyne Gasson> The web server is already set up --- it's so other people can access web pages (just like Delphi's web server but a LOT smaller). It is only related to C= in that we have a great deal of C= support online.
.Gaelyne Gasson> If we set up for Dial-in or telnet access, that's a different type of set up, and yes I would try my darndest to make sure C= users can make use of it.
RBERNARDO> ?
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HOREN> hi
.Gaelyne Gasson> With the web server we also have an FTP site for C= files as well. g/a
.Sharen> Barbi
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HOREN> hi
HOREN> a/s/l everyone
.Sharen> we dont do that here horen
.Joe> horen we are in a FORMAL Conf right now
.Sharen> and we are all adults
.Chuck> Horen, did you read where you were going before you came in?
.Joan> .
.Chuck> .
.Susan>
.Joan> (end of a /send, sorr)
HOREN> ?
.Sharen> Ed
.Ed> Thank you.
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HOREN> ?
.Ed> For the most part, net access on a C64 or 128 would be limited to text-only, which is how I got my early net experience.
HOREN> ?
.Joe> you will be NEXT horen
.Ed> Would be nice to get the graphics like on a PC or Macintosh, but perhaps someday that will come.
.Ed> (end)
SHARENS>> you are next after Horen
SHARENS>> thanks for your patience
.Joe>
.Ed> g/a
.Maurine> ?
SIDCHIP1> Hello Mrs. Gasson
.Sharen> Horen do you have a question
.Gaelyne Gasson> With GEOS and Wheels and the SCPU, I don't see graphics as being impossible. Not easy maybe, but not impossible. I much prefer text most days as it's faster when browsing the web.
HOREN> yes, what does formal conference mean
HOREN> (end)
.Gaelyne Gasson> G'day SidChip :-)
.Sharen> it means you sit there with your mouth closed. if you have a question you do / if you have a comment? you do ! then wait to be recognized
.Sharen> Robert
RBERNARDO> Are all of the files back on your FTP site now, Gaelyne? g/a
.Gaelyne Gasson> Thank you, Sharen. g/a
HOREN> !
.Gaelyne Gasson> Yes, Robert -- all but one text file relating to disk drives and how to recognise CMD drives.
.Gaelyne Gasson> I haven't found the exact file to replace it, but found several other ones so I guess we're better for it. :-) g/a
SIDCHIP1> !
.Sharen> Horen
HOREN> I would like this opportunity to thank mrs Gasson for talking with us this evening
.Sharen>
.Gaelyne Gasson> Thanks, Horen. g/a
.Sharen> maurine
.Maurine> How big is Commodore in Australia these days?
HOREN> - signed off -
.Gaelyne Gasson> Another ongoing project, by the way is the TIFCU mail list.
.Barbi> ?
.Gaelyne Gasson> It's about as big here as it is there, but because there are less people in Australia, all of us C= users tend to stick together and help/support each other. It's a necessity.
.Lynette> - signed off -
.Maurine> We still get new/old members here in Michigan.
.Gaelyne Gasson> g/a
.Maurine> g/a
.Sharen> Bobby
.Sharen> ** Special Event Commencing **
.Ed> !
SIDCHIP1> Mrs. Gasson, I talked to you when you came in to try the server not too long ago. I want to thank you for keeping the Commodore alive these days. I wanted to E-Mail you thanks, but decided to wait on
SIDCHIP1> the conference. g/a
WOVE>
RBERNARDO> ?
.Joan>
.Gaelyne Gasson> We do too here -- people buying used Equipment is where most of the new comers come from (of course buying new would be a bit difficult. :-) g/a
.Sharen> Barbi
.Joan> Barbi's not here
.Sharen> she is listed
.Joan> She's in idle
.Barbi> What applications does the Commodore do that a PC would do less effectively?
.Barbi> g/a
WOVE> ?
.Gaelyne Gasson> Shucks, Sidchip, it's probably one of the most rewarding things I've ever had the pleasure to be involved in. The C= community is the best there is. g/a
.Sharen> Robert
RBERNARDO> Could you tell us about the third edition of your book, the Internet for Commodore 64/128 Users?
RBERNARDO> g/a
.Joan> - signed off -
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.Gaelyne Gasson> Sure thing.... it has 18 chapters, and I've updated things relating to the term programs... added GoDot since it's English version is out.
.Joe> /send sharen,susan,chuck Joan went to try to see if she can see the rest of us
.Joe> opps
.Sharen> lol
.Gaelyne Gasson> The new chapter is about TCP/IP connections. I'm hoping the chapter will be obsolete VERY soon. ;-)
.Gaelyne Gasson> g/a
.Sharen> Babrbi
.Sharen> barbi
.Ed> ! (2nd request)
.Barbi> What applications does a Commodore do more effectively than a PC? g/a
.Mike> mike?
.Sharen> did you get your question answered
.Joan> brb
.Joan> - signed off -
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.Gaelyne Gasson> There's 13 subjects that have been updated, BTW. g/a
.Sharen> ed
.Ed> Thank you.
.Bobby> ?
.Ed> Here in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, our Commodore group somewhat folded when the Boston Computer Society went bankrupt...
.Ed> we lost our meeting space as a result, we're in danger of losing the groups BBS because it lost its Fido feed last month, and CMD now sells Apple II stuff.
.Ed> Aside from this, things are normal... g/a
RBERNARDO> ?
.Sharen > bill
.Gaelyne Gasson> Aside from CMD selling Apple II stuff, the situation is normal in the sense that many user groups went through this even 5 years ago. Every deathknell for the last 10 years has sent people leaving C= but many of us are still HERE, still...
.Maurine> !
WOVE> Is the chapter on TCP/Ip obsolete because you see one being developed for the C= or because you see TCP/Ip becomming obsolete?
.Gaelyne Gasson> still using our computers, still getting the most we can from them.
.Gaelyne Gasson> The chapter on TCP/IP isn't obsolete yet. I want it to be obsolete as that would mean that there is a TCP/IP stack and client/application software package available for us.
WOVE> would be nice wouln't it.
.Joan> ?
.Gaelyne Gasson> WHEN (not if) that happens, I'll be a very happy lady. :-) g/a
.Sharen> bobby
.Bobby> Mrs Gasson, can you tell a speed diffenence between the Commodore platform and a PC platform when accessing the internet?
WOVE> ?
SHARENS>> you are next
.Gaelyne Gasson> Boby, someone asked me that just yesterday. The speed difference depends on the slowest link in the chain..... and often
.Gaelyne Gasson> that link is two ISP's above the one you're accessing.
.Gaelyne Gasson> Whoops, sorry about your name, Bobby.
.Bobby> It's just that I was told that processor speed only has effect on the speed your software runs, not connection/transmital speed g/a
.Gaelyne Gasson> A C= using a 28.8k modem and a Ubeaut other computer using the same programs and same modem speed are just about equal.
.Bobby> Thank you Mrs Gasson g/a
.Sharen> robert
RBERNARDO> How are you distributing the TIFCU third edition? (by what means?) g/a
.Gaelyne Gasson> Yes, the processor speed affects some things (as in it's faster with a SCPU than without), but in realtime use, it's not that significant.
.Gaelyne Gasson> g/a (sorry)
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.Gaelyne Gasson> The 3rd edition is distributed the same as other versions. It's available through
.Gaelyne Gasson> mail, and Loadstar is our US distributor. We also offer special rates to
.Gaelyne Gasson> user groups and anyone else purchasing 5 books or more...
.Gaelyne Gasson> We also accept phone and fax orders, and I just finished updating the TIFCU web site so you can both order online, or there's two
SNOGPITCH> - signed off -
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.Gaelyne Gasson> pages with a printable order form for offline ordering -- one for regular orders and another for bulk.
XIS> - signed off -
.Gaelyne Gasson> g/a
.Sharen> Maurine
.Maurine> I just had a comment to Ed's lament back there a ways -- our C= club is the only computer club in the city; the PC ones have vanished. g/a
.Maurine> We meet in a school, free.
.Barbi> - signed off -
.Ed> !
.Maurine> How does one sign off on Delphi chats?
.Chuck> Usually by saying goodnight ;-)
.Susan>
.Sharen> lol
.Gaelyne Gasson> There's also the Meeting C64/128 Users by Mail too. It's an International group with a LOT of support.
.Joe> maurine type /exit
.Chuck> soemtimes even "hugs"
.Maurine> lol I'm used to Genie.
.Gaelyne Gasson>
.Sharen> joan
.Joan> I have two questions: The first one is, Are you aware of anyone currently working on TCP/IP for C= users? The second one is: How do we approach someone at LoadStar who will recognize the existence
.Joan> of the C= club here
.Joan> G/a (sorry)
.Gaelyne Gasson> The first question.... the answer is yes I am aware of a couple of different TCP/IP projects -- two are public...
.Gaelyne Gasson> one of the projects I've signed a non-disclosure note on and can't comment. The public ones are Daniel Dallmann's
.Gaelyne Gasson> and Andrea Fachat's projects. There's also Robin Harbron working on a project as well.
RBERNARDO> ?
.Bobby> ?
.Gaelyne Gasson> I have a symbiotic relationship with the magazines. They publish what I write, which in turn pays for my computer accessories...
.Gaelyne Gasson> I'm a strong believer in a combination of support. IE, if I support Delphi, it helps support me.
.Gaelyne Gasson> So I try to spread my support far and wide. It helps support the projects I work on.
.Joan> We here in Delphi are more than happy to support LoadStar, if it recognizes our existence
.Sharen> ed
.Ed> Thank you. Gaelyne - please feel free to ignore Chuck, he sometimes gets carried away with those "hugs" of his. :) And I'll retract the rest of my comment as it became irrelevant. :)
.Gaelyne Gasson> I don't work FOR Loadstar or CMD, Joan. My views are my own.
.Sharen> lol Ed
WOVE> ?
.Ed> g/a
.Joan> Just a comment...we don't seem to be able to work up an interest here.
.Joe> - signed off -
SHARENS>> you are next
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.Sharen>
.Sharen> robert
.Gaelyne Gasson> Have you considered writing an article about Delphi's support and submitting it to them? ;-)
RBERNARDO> Do you think that any of these TCP/IP projects will be released in conjunction with GO64 magazine's web browser contest, due March 31, 1999? g/a
.Gaelyne Gasson> Good question, Robert ---- I personally hope it's sooner than that. :-) g/a
.Sharen> Bobby
.sara> - signed off -
.Bobby> Mrs. Gasson, two questions. Are you on a Commodore now, and what kind of Commodore hardware do you have for your personal use?
.Gaelyne Gasson> I answered the 1st question a little earlier (today I'm using a laptop). For my personal enjoyment, I close
.Ed> (test)
.Ed> !
.Todd Elliott> ?
.Gaelyne Gasson> the laptop and put my 128D keyboard on top of it. My equipment includes.....
.Todd> nevermind.
.Ed> cancel !
.Gaelyne Gasson> a C128D (european), SCPU v2, Ramlink, 512K REU, Turbo232 cart, 28.8k modem, an FD drive, HD and assorted other drives.
.Chuck> Goodnight all
.Sharen> night chuck
.Chuck> - signed off -
.Susan> goodnight
.Susan> - signed off -
.Sharen> night susan
.Sharen> Bill members now) **
.Gaelyne Gasson> RE, Snogpitch. :-) g/a
.Todd> ?
.Sharen> ed
.Errol> ! Gaelyne is a commodore power user (:
SNOGPITCH> ;)
WOVE> A TCP stack on other platforms requires 200-500k + memory, Am I correct in assuming the hardware beyond stock C= equipment is being used to implement it? ga
.Gaelyne Gasson> I didn't start that way. Each item was added one at a time YEARS apart. g/a
.Sharen> Ed
.Bobby> !
.Todd> !
.Ed> cancelling !
.Gaelyne Gasson> Wove, TCP/IP stacks for the C= don't use that much memory or space.
.Gaelyne Gasson> The stack itself takes up VERY little space. It's the additional items you're thinking of that do take up space (the dialer, etc).
.Gaelyne Gasson> g/a
.Sharen> todd
WOVE> Well packets are being received in non sequential order and must be reassembled that has got to eat a lot of space?
.Todd> I'd like to reply and amplify what Gaelyne said; Robin Harbron indicated that the actual tcp/ip stack is 1.5Kb. He even said that a vic-20 could have a tcp/ip stack.
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.sara> - signed off -
.Todd> Anyway, a question for Gaelyne- Other than the obvious tcp/ip stack+email and browser, what other software do you feel the c64/128/scpu needs for the next few years?
.Gaelyne Gasson> Not really, Wove. And reassembling can take place on disk or pointers in memory. g/a
.Sharen> bobby /send ed ok thanks for being here pats to mindy
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.Bobby> Sorry about the "What are you on" question Gaelyne I arrive a little late tonight. Thanks for the answer, I have 2 64s, 2 128s, 4 monitors and the matching drives for all myself. g/a
.Ed> oh boy..
.Gaelyne Gasson> Dunno.... maybe streaming audio and video ? :-)
.Ed> oh well, night everyone. :)
.Gaelyne Gasson> g/a
.Todd> Heh. Nate's working on it. Give him a little time. :)
.Sharen> night
.Joan> night
.Ed> - signed off -
.Todd> !
.Sharen> bobby
RBERNARDO> ?
.Gaelyne Gasson> Actually, there's a lot of BBS interfacing we need. IE, BBS messages via the Internet and the interfaces to make it possibble. g/a
.Bobby> My comment was answered, thanks
.Sharen> todd
SHARENS>> you are next
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.Todd> Just to inform you what I'm homebrewing nowadays. :)
.Todd> I recently made a FD-2000 disk image wholly into SuperRAM memory.
.ErrolSmith> - signed off -
.Todd> I was thinking of maybe a defragmenter, but definitely some archival activity. I felt like putting my SuperRAM to work by making some kind of utility for backup of these CMD devices, and the FD was
.Todd> just a small start.
.Todd> So, hopefully, there are others out there creating software for our machines, and especially the scpu.
.Gaelyne Gasson> Sounds like a good start, Todd! :-) g/a
.Sharen> robert
.Todd> A tcp/ip will come. But not from me. :)
RBERNARDO> Do you know if anybody is working on a jpeg viewer for our Commodores? g/a
.Todd> ga
.Todd> !
.Joan> ?
.Gaelyne Gasson> I've been trying to convince Arndt Dettke of GoDot fame that it can't possibly be "impossible". :-)
.Gaelyne Gasson> g/a
WOVE> - signed off -
.Todd> ?
.Sharen> gaelyne you mentioned tifcu a while back can you explain that please for us less techie types lol g/a
SIDCHIP1> - signed off -
.Gaelyne Gasson> Sure. TIFCU is an acronym for the book - no one, even myself can say:
.Sharen> oh duhhh
.Sharen>
.Joan> :-)
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.Gaelyne Gasson> "The Internet for Commodore Users" without tripping over it, so I made it into a sneeze sound. And then the last press release for it
SIDCHIP1> - signed off -
.Gaelyne Gasson> that I wrote, I capitalised on the "sneeze" sound to make use of it - don't sneeze at us C= users! :-)
.Sharen> lol
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.Gaelyne Gasson> The mail list supplements the book and it's a self-help type of thing -- but it's moderated to keep out junk and spam.
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.Gaelyne Gasson> When I rec'v them, I also announce Delphi's conferences (and would do Genies as well) and anything else new we should know about.
.Gaelyne Gasson> g/a
.Sharen> todd
RBERNARDO> ?
.Todd Elliott> ?!
.ErrolSmith> did I miss anything?
.Sharen> todd its your turn
.Sharen>
.Todd> Sorry, Sharen, my machine disconnected.
.Gaelyne Gasson> Bummer, Todd. That happened to me at the start of the
conference. g/a
.Sharen> are you connected again :)
.Todd> Anyway, in response to Robert Bernardo's question; Harry Weems of geoGIF fame indicated on comp.sys.cbm that he may be interested in working on a .jpg viewer.
.Todd> But, has he decided to work on it for sure? I dunno.
.Todd> Secondly, a c64/128 can now print .jpg's with Postscript 2 printers under GEOS. So, you can't view them onscreen, but you can print them out.
.Todd> Third, you would need third-party utilities to convert a .jpg into a .gif and run it through Godot to create an IFLI picture. I already have a utility to view these IFLI's on my NTSC c128d.
.Gaelyne Gasson> There should be a program for the C= to convert jpgs to GIF too.
.Todd> I don't want to step on Jeff Jone's toes at Loadstar, but I did submit the IFLI viewer for Loadstar to distribute at a future time.
.Gaelyne Gasson> :-) Sorry about that - I should have waited for the g/a from you.
.Todd> A question for Gaelyne- Why is it important for .jpg viewing capability? There are conversion utilities available and I really can see no difference in the image quality between a .gif and a .jpg.?
.Todd> ga. There. :)
.Gaelyne Gasson> I didn't see Randy Weems say he'd work on a JPG version though. It was a unanimous response to his question though.
.Gaelyne Gasson> The question being what improvements he could make to geoGIF. g/a
.Sharen> joan
SHARENS>> you are next
.Joan> A problem we have discussed here, rather basic: as far as you know, in the wider International market, is anyone addressing the manufacture of replacement chips for C= machines?
.Todd> Gaelyne- You're right about Randy Weems. I stand corrected.
.Todd> ga
.Joan> ga
.Gaelyne Gasson> I don't know of any, Joan, but hardware has never been my strong point.
.Todd> !
.Gaelyne Gasson> For Todd, when Maurice Randall first announced the Wave everyone who WANTED a web browser kinda almost made it an urban C= myth that this is what the Wave would be. We have to be careful of
.Gaelyne Gasson> seeing what people say as opposed to inserting our own desires in there. :-)
.Gaelyne Gasson> g/a
.Sharen> robert
RBERNARDO> How many copies of the TIFCU book have you sold, Gaelyne? g/a
.Todd> Gaelyne- Thanks for taking me to the woodshed. :) ga
.Dennis> - signed off -
.Mike>
.Gaelyne Gasson> LOL, Todd. The boss tells me that we've sold enough to make it worth doing a 3rd edition, but not enough to know every C= user has one.
.Gaelyne Gasson> g/a
.Sharen> todd
.Todd> Joan- The best defense against your machine going kaput is to get more machines. :( Due to the cost of manufacture, etc., it does not seem practical at the moment.
.Joan> Todd, I live in a 3 room apartment, that is not a viable option at the moment, unfortunately. :(
.Maurine> Paxtron has chips.
.Todd> For example, I have three sx-64's, three types of REU's, 5-6 c64's, 2-3 c128's, 2 c128d's, and so on. My closet is full. That way, in year 2030, my c128d will be alive, hanging by a thread of epoxy
.Todd> glue and spare vic-ii's, cia's, etc. :)
.Gaelyne Gasson> Making friends with someone with lots of space helps. (We have a friend with a shed full of orphaned C= bits we can turn to for parts when needed).
.Todd> ga
.Gaelyne Gasson> g/a
.Todd> ?
.Sharen> anyone else with any questions or coimments for gaelyne
.Sharen> todd
.Joan>
.Todd> Will there be a supplement for us owners of TIFCU, 2nd edition?
RBERNARDO> ?
SHARENS>> you are next
.Gaelyne Gasson> Yes Todd -- it's on the list of things for me to do. It will be available on the web, and will be the last chapter and a list of the changes from 2nd to 3rd edition....
.Gaelyne Gasson> I need to finish creating our web hosting website and then I will put the errata-addenda page online.
.Gaelyne Gasson> ga
.Sharen> robert
RBERNARDO> Do you know when your next book, Commodore Connections, will come out? g/a
.Joan> ?
.Gaelyne Gasson> It'll be about 6 months at a guess, Robert. This time we'll be able to get it into the Books in Print info sooner though.
.Gaelyne Gasson> ga
.Sharen> Joan
.Todd> ?
.Joan> How many books to you have available in print right now (or will have), and can they be ordered through our local Barnes & Noble, or just thru LoadStar?
.Joan> g/a
.Joan> er, "do" you have available
.Gaelyne Gasson> If Barnes and Noble wish to distribute the book, they can. Whether they would or not is a good question. Currently the only "in print" book
.Gaelyne Gasson> is The Internet for Commodore C64/128 Users 3rd edition. It'd be neat if they did carry it since then it could be in your Delphi/Commodore Forum bookstore. :-)
.Gaelyne Gasson> ga
.Sharen> todd
.Todd> What is 'Commodore Connections'?
.Joan> Well, they are usually very good about ordering what the customer wants, and usually get whatever is in print. I might give them a "test" and let you know what happens. :)
RBERNARDO> ?
SHARENS>> you are next
.Gaelyne Gasson> Currently the book is avaTilable from VideoCam Services (we are the publishers and main distributors). Loadstar is simply "a" distributor of it for those who prefer US ordering.
.Gaelyne Gasson> Todd, for 3 years I had a C= column each month in BBS Magazine. Commodore Connections is a compendium of those columns, with updated comments and info.
.Gaelyne Gasson> Joan, for B&N, the key is to give them the ISBN number. It's 0-9585837-0-6
.Gaelyne Gasson> ga
.Sharen> robert
RBERNARDO> Other than Germany, do you have any other distributor for TIFCU in Europe? (for
RBERNARDO> example, in England?) g/a
.Gaelyne Gasson> We don't currently have any other distributors, but any who are interested are welcome. :-) In regards to Germany though.....
.Gaelyne Gasson> we have an agreement with Go64 magazine -- they put our ad in their magazine and we include a flyer about Go64 with the book.
.Gaelyne Gasson> It's kind of a mutual advertising type thing and inexpensive for both of us.
.Gaelyne Gasson> Currently with the exchange rates US credit card orders for the book are near half of our $36.95 Aussie price is. So it's quite "cheap" at the moment.
.Gaelyne Gasson> GA
.Sharen> ok anyone else
.Gaelyne Gasson> That should read nearly half of what our Aussie price is.
.Todd> ?
.Sharen>
.Sharen> todd
.Maurine> Thanks for coming, Gaelyne!
.Maurine> - signed off -
.Todd> Other than telecommunicating, what is your main use of your, ahem, as Errols eloquently pointed out, 'power user' setup? :) Word processing? GEOS? Demos? :)
.Todd> ga
.Gaelyne Gasson> Whoa, I didn't get the chance to say G'bye. :-(
.Sharen> she was quick out the door
.Sharen> :(
.Joan> She's still in idle, you can /send
RBERNARDO> ?
.Gaelyne Gasson> Is there life after Telecomms ??
.Gaelyne Gasson> My biggest use these days is QWKRR, and has been for ages. Testing programs as well, but that involves telecomms....
.Todd> ?
.Gaelyne Gasson> I guess telecomms and all related activities would have to be the answer, but there is a lot of different related activities. GA
.Sharen> robert
RBERNARDO> My usual question, Gaelyne...how do you picture the state of Commodore computing at the turn of the 21st century? g/a
.Gaelyne Gasson> I picture it as being as fun then as it is today. And seeing that's only a few months away, the only difference would be
.Gaelyne Gasson> TCP/IP access and some new graphic abilities, and I think Wheels will be driving us there. Or will be one choice along the road.
.Gaelyne Gasson> GA
.Sharen> todd
.Todd> Will Fidonet continue? Many BBSes are biting the dust due to the Internet. :( For example, Diamondback BBS in Miami survived Hurricane Andrew, but will be out of service soon, having not survived
.Todd> Archies and Veronicas of the Internet. :( ga
.Todd> !
.Gaelyne Gasson> Fidonet has been changing because of the Internet but I see it continuing. ga
.Joan> Rotsa Ruck with that one!
.Sharen> todd
.Todd> I know my c128d will have finally arrived when I catch my child viewing some lame x-rated picture recently downloaded via a T-232 interface running some geewhiz browser in Wheels 128. :)
.Todd> ga
.Gaelyne Gasson> LOL, Todd. :-) Maybe we'll have better filtering though to filter out the junk. :-)
.Gaelyne Gasson> ga
.Sharen> ok if thats it I would like to thank gaelyne for being here
.Sharen> thanks to all of you for being here also
> .Joan applauds
RBERNARDO> Thank you, Gaelyne, from us out here in California!
SNOGPITCH> :) Thanks Gaelyne

Post-conference chatter

.Gaelyne Gasson> BTW, based on last Friday's exchange rate, credit card orders for the book would cost US people $20.54 in US dollars.
RBERNARDO> Fantastic!
.Joan> How about from LoadStar?
.Sharen> Gaelyne you mentioned robin harbron and arndt dettke do you think either iof them would do a formal con for us
.Gaelyne Gasson> Thank you, Sharen, Joan, Snog, Robert, Todd....
> .Joan doesn't even want to THINK about dealing with imports, again.
.Mike> thank you gaelyne it was really excellent
RBERNARDO> Lots of good info!
.Errol> you're welcome..
SHARENS>> yes
.Joan> Of course, first I'll try Barnes &T Noble and see if they pass "the test"
.Gaelyne Gasson> Loadstar orders are US orders and would cost $35. If ordering via mail from us (ie, by check) the cost is $29.95 plus shipping ($7) (Loadstar's cost includes shipping).
.Todd> Thank you, Gaelyne for being here and taking me to the woodshed. :)
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RBERNARDO> And thank you, Errol, for your efforts in UnZip 2.12!
MILAGROSCH> - signed off -
.Gaelyne Gasson> I'd love for B&N to have it available. :-) :-)
.Joan> We shall see what they say. :)
.Gaelyne Gasson> Agreed, Robert! Kudos to Errol!
.Sharen> Gaelyne you mentioned several people tonight do you think any of them would do formal cons
.Gaelyne Gasson> Todd, don't worry -- I depend on you to take me to the woodshed too - it keeps me on my toes. :-)
.Errol> RB - you're welcome
SNOGPITCH> When can we expect to see a transcript of tonights conf?
.Gaelyne Gasson> I think you could get just about anyone, Sharen. Arndt Dettke would be a good choice, as well as Errol Smith, and I'd like to see a Todd Elliot and Robert Bernardo conference sometime too. :-)
.Sharen> it will be in the database soon
.Tim> Goof crowd
SNOGPITCH > ;)
RBERNARDO> Oh, Gaelyne, I'll send you the third FCUG newsletter. It has some blurbs about you.
.Tim> er good crowd
.Sharen> do you have email addresses for ardnt and robin
.Sharen> errol whats your email address
.Gaelyne Gasson> Thanks Robert - I think I'm on the subscription list though. I get a copy each month. I am so lucky to get so many UG newsletters sent to me. I truly enjoy and appreciate them.
.Sharen> dos anyone have an email address for doug coton
.Sharen> I am trying to get hims for a con
RBERNARDO> Oh, I mean our third newsletter, C= Voyages, in addition to the other ones, The
.Gaelyne Gasson> Thanks Robert - I think I'm on the subscription list though. I get a copy each month. I am so lucky to get so many UG newsletters sent to me. I truly enjoy and appreciate them.
.Tim> cmd-doug@cmdweb.com?
SNOGPITCH> You want his Genie address?
RBERNARDO> Interface and the Halfling.
.Gaelyne Gasson> OH, that'd be great, Robert.
.Errol> sharen - errol@ros.com.au
.Sharen> I tried that tim- didnt work
.Tim> I think he is here as dcotton
.Sharen> thanks errol
.Gaelyne Gasson> Here's another one for you Sharen: Guenther Bauer

SNOGPITCH> CMD-Doug@genie.com
RBERNARDO> Arndt's address is god.adettke@t-online.de
.Todd> Doug Cotton- doug@cmdweb.com
.Gaelyne Gasson> Guenther is the key person for G064 magazine.
.Gaelyne Gasson> OH, before I forget the book Web site is at http://videocam.net.au/tifcu/
.Sharen> thanks everyone
.Joan> Thank you. r:)
RBERNARDO> Finally, I can get some dinner! ;-)
.Sharen> poor robert
.Todd> Thanks, Sharen, for yet an another gracious round of hosting. :)
.Joan> It's 10 past midnight here. :)
RBERNARDO> Yes, thanks, Sharen.
.Sharen> welcome
.Mike> thanks sharen
Gaelyne Gasson> Very well done, Sharen. :-)
.Sharen> thanks
SNOGPITCH> The Service is still in Beta, on the Web
.Mike> ok
RBERNARDO> Gaelyne, it looks like I'm ordering TIFCU the third.
RBERNARDO> edition.
.Tim> It has been in beta for the past two years or so. :/
.Todd> Robert- Wise choice... *Yoda accent* :)
SNOGPITCH> It also needs a password to access
.Sharen> lol todd
.Gaelyne Gasson> Doug Cotton <---i this is where to
send announcements about Delphi. :k-)
.Gaelyne Gasson> That'd be lovely, Robert! :-)
.Todd> Robert- I was wondering; Do you use Godot a lot?
RBERNARDO> I don't like having messy addendums attached to a book.
SNOGPITCH> The actual web access started in April, of this year.
.Joan> - signed off -
RBERNARDO> Yes, I use GoDot...a lot?...well, a medium amount.
.Mike> still is
.Todd> Well, have you written a review or some tutorial? Most of Arndt's tutorials on the web are in German, and the translation services at altavista are inadequate.
Mike> yes sids lol
RBERNARDO> I haven't yet written an article...but GoDot is so complex...and Arndt's letters
.Todd> I felt that John Elliott's article about Godot in Loadstar letter was somewhat confusing. Maybe he shouldn't have written it in the first place.
RBERNARDO> to me seem so graphically-oriented and complex.
.Gaelyne Gasson> Have you tried his English version of the web?
SNOGPITCH> There isn't anything free on the Beta, yet except the happening events.
.Todd> His english version is lacking in tutorials and walk-throughs.
.Gaelyne Gasson> I get you and John confused at times Todd.
.Mike thanks snog
.Gayleen Rules> Thanks for everything tonight by the way, Gayleen
.Todd> Yes. *James Bond accent* "He is my evil twin." :)
SNOGPITCH> I really got to go, had a great time, niters!
RBERNARDO> Which James Bond? ;-)
.Mike> nite snog
.Tim> /whois gayleen rules :(
.Gaelyne Gasson> EEEkk... thanks but my name is Gaelyne Pronounced
GAY- LINN (rhymes with Sin).
RBERNARDO> Night, Snog.
.Sharen> nite snog thanks
.Tim> er :)
.Todd> Robert- Whoops. Good point. My personal favorite is Roger Moore.
SNOGPITCH> - signed off -
.Gaelyne Gasson> G'night Snrog
RBERNARDO> All right, Roger Moore...
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.Sharen> /send mikenight hugs
.Gaelyne Gasson> Whoo was that masked man? ;-)
.Mike> sorry sean connery only true bond
RBERNARDO> My favorite was the Spy Who Loved Me.
> .Tim just proved himself he is not on a Commodore now. :)
.Joan> Wow! This is bizarre!
.Bobby> Thanks for everything Tonight! (Better?) :)
.Sharen> sean connery was the best
.Todd> Anyway, I've been using Godot also. But I admit that even though I'm pretty well seasoned c64 programmer, I am intimidated by its power and complexity. Time will tell as I will take the bull by its
.Todd> horns. :)
.Mike> yuppers sharen
RBERNARDO> Todd, have you gotten the latest updates on GoDot?
.Mike> - signed off -
.Todd> Robert. Yes.
RBERNARDO> The ones that are corrected for JiffyDos?
.Gaelyne Gasson> Todd, I've found that digging in experimenting has been my best teacher with GoDot and other programs.
.Todd> Robert- Corrected for JiffyDOS? Hmm. I didn't know about that. I will check my email box and see if Arndt sent me the correct updates.
.Sharen> my back is killing me so i am going to call it a night
RBERNARDO> Good night.
.Gaelyne Gasson> The latest updates are for the 4bit fonts and text features....
.Sharen> hugs to all
.Gaelyne Gasson> G'night Sharen - you did a great job tonight -- thanks for having me.
.Errol> bye Sharen
.Bobby> Night Sharen
.Sharen> HUGS gaelyne come back and visit again
RBERNARDO> I have some corrected ones, which I received from Ruth Hackley of the Fun Graphics Machine.
.Sharen> g'day
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.Todd> Anyway, Gaelyne- You didn't exactly answer; Why is it important to have .JPG viewing function, when there are conversion utilities available?
.Gaelyne Gasson> Arndt sends all updated files to the videocam.net.au FTP site, BTW.
.Gaelyne Gasson> For the same reason we want a graphical web browser, Todd.
.Todd> I agree that Arndt Dettke is the best person to do the .jpg job for Godot. Maybe he will. Maybe he won't. Time will tell.
.Joan> Hello?
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.Gaelyne Gasson> So we can view the graphics and so the graphical web browser can display them.
.Errol> I was under the impression there wasn't even conversion utils for c64.
RBERNARDO> It would be easier to stay on one machine, the Commodore, than to convert between several machines.
.Gaelyne Gasson> G'day again Joan - didn't see you come back in.
.Todd> Well, the c64/128 can print out .jpg's already. Granted, not a lot of people own GEOS and a Postscript 2 laser...
.Joan> Oh, I'm in two places at once, and trying to figure out how to do it
.Bobby> Gaelyne, Did you ever have any experience with the online service Q-Link back in the 80's?
.Gaelyne Gasson> If you can figure that out in the physical, please let me know. :-)
RBERNARDO> That's true, Todd...no Postscript laser here...
.Todd> Robert- Good point. But even the UNIX shell DJPEG program can convert on your workspace .jpg to a .gif and d/l it to your c64/128.
.Joan> I said good bye to sharen in the other channel, and she didn't hear me. :)
.Gaelyne Gasson> I don't havie a PS laser printer (just laser and one inkjet).
RBERNARDO> Ahhh, but I'm going through Genie, Todd...I don't think they have that here.
.Gaelyne Gasson> I was on Qlink, Bobby. As I think, Gaelyne, and as GMORANEC, if I recall.
.Errol> Todd - We can convert ZIP2.04 to other commodore formats too, that doesn't make Unzip64v2 useless (:
.Tim> Does anyone still use dot matrix? :)
RBERNARDO> Me.
.Joan> That is what I have connected to my 128
RBERNARDO> And a Bubblejet.
.Todd> Touche, Errol. :)
.Gaelyne Gasson> I'd love to be in 2 places at once today Joan -- it's my oldest son's 16th birthday today.
.Bobby> I think I may remember you. You also write for the CMD magazine now don't you?
.Joan> Will you be able to talk to him, Gaelyne?
RBERNARDO> If only we had a working Star Trek transporter... ;-)
> .Tim uses his dot matrix for his Commodore tasks while uses his inkjet for web page printing.
.Gaelyne Gasson> I chat with him every Sunday on the Internet, but tonight I'll give him a phone call.
.Gaelyne Gasson> I write for Commodore World, Loadstar and any other one that will have me if I have time.
.Errol> - signed off -
.Todd> Strobe- Hmm. Just a thought. Doesn't .jpg use same decomp routines in zip 2.04g? If so, you could, with a little time and effort, etc., create a .jpg viewer for the c64?
RBERNARDO> I only get published...but not paid.
.Bobby> I have read some of your articles is why, It's been awhile, but I recognized the name.
.Gaelyne Gasson> Seems a common thing, Robert, but support is something we all must do one way or another.
RBERNARDO> Todd, that idea should be forwarded to Errol, perhaps. members now) **
.Gaelyne Gasston> Good idea, Robert!
.Todd> Yeah. Errol just left as I posted that. :(r
.Gaelylne Gasson> Errol, you just missed a great comment...... and a lot of work for you....
.Todd> There he is. a:)
.Bobby> BTW Gaylyne, have you heard that an overseas computer company is going to make a computer called the "C=64 Web It! Web Machine"?
.Gaelyne Gasson> Strobe- Hmm. Just a thought. Doesn't .jpg use same decomp routines
.Gaelyne Gasson> In knew someone was going to ask that, Bobby! :-)
.Gaelyne Gasson> (That was a cut/paste of Todd's comment to you, Errol).
RBERNARDO> Now, it's almost 9:30 over here...and I've only had Pop Tarts and soda
RBERNARDO> pop...
.Joan> Gonna call it a night, people. See y'all! Thanks Gaelyne!
.Joan> - signed of -
.Bobby> It runs on a 486 at about 80Mhz and has Windows 3.1. It will NEVER be an original Commodore in my eyes though.
RBERNARDO> An emulator, Bobby?
.Errol> G - JPG is very vaguely similar, but I can't cut & paste to make a JPG routine (:
.Todd> Robert- Eerie! I was thinking of snarfing those Smores Pop-Tarts. :)
.Gaelyne Gasson> Yes, I checked on Web.It and though they've spent a lot of money on it, it only acts as an emulator and doesn't have anything to do with using Commodore aspects of it on the Internet.
RBERNARDO> Twilight Zone?
.Bobby> It will have an Emulator on the hard drive that will run C= Software.
.Todd> Strobe- Hmm. Just a thought. Doesn't .jpg use same decomp routines in
.Todd> zip 2.04g? If so, you could, with a little time and effort, etc., create a
.Todd> .jpg viewer for the c64?
RBERNARDO> Bobby, I haven't even gotten the C64 emulator working on my Amigas. :-)
.Tim> It is really a PC.
.Gaelyne Gasson> I think it's a grave dis-service to real C= users, and a marketting ploy to make use of the C= name.
.Todd> There. Cut and pasted for your convenience, oh great Sahib. :)
.Bobby> I'm not sure what they hope to accomplish by making it. It will retail for about $400.00 U.S.. They are trying to rip off the Commodore name, realy.
.Errol> Todd - I could create a JPG viewer for 64 if I wanted. I could also write a TCP/IP stack or Web browser if I wanted. doesn't mean I will (:
.Gaelyne Gasson> The emulator portion is basically for those who enjoyed (note past tense) playing games on their Commodore.
.Todd> Showoff. :) But, is it reasonably workabale? I mean, a tcp/ip stack will essentially devour all of your warking hours.
.Bobby> It said that the emulator would focus primarily on games, that is not the MAIN usage of a computer though.
.Gaelyne Gasson> The company want to target that portion of the population.
RBERNARDO> Darn, Errol, if I sent you my shareware fee for UnZip 2.12, will you consider a jpeg viewer? :-)
.Todd> But, reusing your unzip routines for a .jpg viewer makes development much faster, etc.
.Tim> I don't think the emulator will be like a full function Commodore operating system.
.Errol> todd - there really is very little in common between ZIP & JPG, aside from some basic compression principles
.Gaelyne Gasson> Indeed, but many former C= users (and a lot of current PC users) are very keen on games.
.Todd> Drat. :(
RBERNARDO> Double drat.
.Gaelyne Gasson> Indeed, but many former C= users (and a lot of current PC users) are very keen on games.
.Bobby> The C=64 was a REAL computer first and a GAME MACHINE second. they are kind of trivializing the C= Name.
.Gaelyne Gasson> whoops. Anyway, I'm not a games player. And what games I do enjoy I'd rather use my C= for it in the first place. I agree Bobby.
RBERNARDO> Well, when I was in England last year, they had the Commodore name plastered over large ocean freighters.
.Bobby> I loved/love the C=s for what they were/are GREAT COMPUTERS.
.Todd> Later, all.
RBERNARDO> Night, Todd.
.Bobby> Later, Todd.
.Todd> - signed off -
HOTMETAL> - signed off -
.Gaelyne Gasson> I gotta go too -- it's nearly 2pm here -- I've been chatting for 3 hours now. :-)
.Bobby> Gaelyne have you ever considered asking CMD if they would sell your book?
.Bobby> It would be nice to have U.S. Retailer.
.Tim> By the way, I went into a grocery store and saw the name Apple. :) if they distribute it.
RBERNARDO> Bobby, CMD wants a large share of the pie if they distribute it.
.Gaelyne Gasson> We do have a US distributor, Bobby - Loadstar. We discussed CMD publishing the book but decided to do it ourselves and we have always given them information on distribution.
.Bobby> Thanks!! I won't keep you Gaelyne!
RBERNARDO> Arndt Dettke only receives 10 or 15% of each sale that CMD has of GoDot.
.Errol> I should go too.. I've been on too long.
RBERNARDO> Good night, Gaelyne. Expect a phone call from me sooner or later.
.Gaelyne Gasson> You're welcome, Bobby. It's been fun and I've really enjoyed my visit. :-)
RBERNARDO> Good night, Errol.
.Bobby> Come Back ANYTIME!! :)
.Errol> good afternoon RB.. (it's 2:40pm here)
.Gaelyne Gasson> OK, Robert, but you could just send Email w/o your card info. It'd be cheaper for you. :-)
RBERNARDO> Oh, I like international calling...especially now that I'm using 10-10056.
RBERNARDO> Oh, good afternoon, Errol and Gaelyne.
.Gaelyne Gasson> I hate to ask -- what's that????
.Errol> - signed off -
RBERNARDO> Oh, one of those cut-rate long-distance services...for example, calling from California to England is only 12 cents a minute.
.Tim> Bobby, where are you from?
RBERNARDO> Much better than ATT at 90 cents a minute.
.Gaelyne Gasson> Not bad! Well then, it'll be great to hear from you again. :-)
.Tim> Name of state, that is.
.Gaelyne Gasson> Anyway, G'night all! G'day, and G'afternoon as well. :-)
RBERNARDO> G'day.
.Gaelyne Gasson> - signed off -

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