read new nonstop follow 87962 15-JUN 18:52 General Information RE: Club flyers (Re: Msg 87648) From: TAULBORG To: MRUPGRADE Thank you for the fliers and I will show them at the next club metting! I may have to copy a couple off just in case they would like to take them home with them though. Steven P Taulborg V.P. The COCO Club here in central ohio -*- 87963 16-JUN 00:13 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87955) From: MRUPGRADE To: KSCALES No offense Ken,, but oyou list of titles makes the point. Look again. gzip, sh, sch, These and others look like somem kind if cryptic language,,, not software titles form which a "user" would select. OSK, I think you'd agree is a great oppetunity fooro those who like to hack in OS,, to do it with fuller flexibility. As well a tremendous oppertunity to learn. I think this conversation started as I asked, foro info on the Chico Fest. Youo felt is was as well attended as last year,, sales were great,, etc. That was what I was looking for. Til then,,, Terry Simons -*- 87964 16-JUN 01:24 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87929) From: NIMITZ To: MRUPGRADE Terry, there is a large amount, certainly more than a paltry "three or four pieces", of software that is available for OSK that will NEVER be available for 6809 as a USER style program. The 6809 is simply too limited in memory management capability to ma eke having programs of any real size useful in a friendly manner. What OSK box are you running?? Where is your logic? "In application software,, OS-9 is quite limited,, discounting the useless RS stuff"?? What RS stuff?? If you mean Radio Shack stu ff you pretty much HAVE to discount it, since they did long ago! If you are looking for new software, OSK is whipping OS9/6809 hands down for availability of new software. The overwhelming majority of new items at the fest were for OSK. (Principly KWin dows too!). I wouldn't call OSTerm/68K , KTerm, GNU-Chess, X10 interface controller, KWindows Tiles and Star Trek HACKERS programs. Try an Open #1, MIND.ALL before you make inflammatory statements like that! (Preferably in update mode! ) David -*- 87965 16-JUN 01:48 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87963) From: KSCALES To: MRUPGRADE > No offense Ken,, but oyou list of titles makes the point. Look again. > gzip, sh, sch, > These and others look like somem kind if cryptic language,,, not > software titles form which a "user" would select. Terry, absolutely no offense taken. But I don't remember EVER receiving a message that I found anywhere near as FRUSTRATING as this one -- it is frustrating because I have obviously been totally ineffective at communicating my main point to you, and you instead have gone off on an orthogonal tangent... Please drop the "cryptic language" excuse: This is just pure cr*p. A user will look for a "solution", and will try to apply a suggested "solution" to his/her problem set. If the documentation/training/whatever clearly identifies that "solution" is "acegik", then the user will expect that "acegik" will do the job. Whether "acegik" is cryptic or not does not matter. You need to look at the package "capability", not its acronym. Regarding OS-9/68000 application functionality, let me take a small subset of my previous list and elaborate. 'ispell' - spellchecker. This is the OSK version of the (VERY SAME) spellchecker I use at work on my HP Unix workstation. 'gnuplot' - graphics charting program (similar to Phantomgraph) which generates Postscript output. We also use this SAME program on our Unix workstations to generate graphs. 'TeX' - commonly used at universities for document layout. Used to generate "professional" documents, suitable for publication. 'ghostscript' - a utility to allow printing of Postscript(tm) format documents on other devices (e.g., dot-matrix printers). "Postscript" output format is generated by many of the modern "publishing" programs, especially on the Mac and under Unix. Example: we use Framemaker under Unix and on the Mac at work for our documentation, so I can use ghostscript to print these at home (without investing in a Postscript printer). 'lout' - a program for generating Postscript-format documents. See the "Metamorphosis" magazine for an example. 'faxsend' - send a fax. 'Nuff said. 'sc' - a spreadsheet program, much more capable than DynaCalc. This is another program that we ALSO USE UNDER HP Unix at work, except that we are still using an earlier version at the office (V6.14). Programs available under OS-9/68000 typically FAR exceed those for Level 2 in capability. Please let us know of any areas where this is not true... Regards... / Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237 =-=-=-=-=-= Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible =-=-=-=-=-= -*- 87973 16-JUN 21:00 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87964) From: MRUPGRADE To: NIMITZ I keep seeing thhe software availability of MM/1 Etc,, compared to thhe 6309 or CC 3 OS-9 availablility??? To say more is available is kinda like saying we hav e more then the "ADAM" Computer. It just doesn't say much. If you folks are wanting oto say OSK machines,, are foro application type users such as buy a PC, Mac, Or Amiga,,, I't thik that kind of a hard one to present. That isn't theh reason you turned to an MM/1, System 4, etc. OSK machines,, as I understand have great qualities in given areas. I'd s. If yoouo wanna promote MM/1's etc. Let's hear their "strong points". with out doubt, there are several well deserved finer points. If you're gona talk about OSk,, let's hear some of those? Til then,,, Terry Simons -*- 87976 16-JUN 21:24 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87973) From: NIMITZ To: MRUPGRADE Terry, to say that the OSK machines have 'more' available than the CoCo 3 or 6809 OS9er's have available say's plenty to someone who KNOWS what is available for 6809 OS-9. If you've been following the forum at all you should know by now what many of the finer points are. Certainly the available magazines help a great deal. See Ken Scales messages, Ken has certainly hit some of the higher points around, withou t even mentioning his or my new commercial products. Besides, This is not necessarily the place to be promoting these machines. In a public forum where commercialism is not especially welcome..... David M. Graham BlackHawk Enterprises, Inc. Home of the MM/1 Computer. -*- 87977 16-JUN 22:16 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87976) From: DSRTFOX To: MRUPGRADE Terry, I did very well at the fest this year also. In fact, I did maybe a little better than last year, and I didn't have a hot new product that everyone wnated this time either (I sold 60 copies of Tandy's Little Wonder last year, sold the 20 I took this year... wouldn't have sold but 1 or 2 more than that either!). So I did very well! There were a lot of new OSK items, and roughly an equal number of OS-9 as well. About 1/5 of the products were strictly DECB, which is about the same for the community. If the program does what the user wants and is realtively easy to set up, they don't care if it is OS-9 or DECB... as long as there are good instructions on getting it running! Most of the people I've talked to that remain with the CoCo use at least SOME OS-9 programs... very few, maybe 10% tops, use strictly DECB. I'll bet even they use some OS-9 programs from Tandy that self-boot, even if they are games! My personal sales were about half and half, withe the DECB games moving so slow I may stop carrying them! -*- 87982 16-JUN 22:47 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87965) From: 01GEN40 To: ALL I seem to remember, not too many years ago, statements being made like this concerning OS-9 L2 vs "RS"-DOS. :-) LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! See ya. -= 01GEN40 =- -*- 87985 16-JUN 23:07 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87976) From: MRUPGRADE To: NIMITZ I see nothing wrong with presenting theh finer points of OSK machines. I'm here to get information,, as I'd imagine others are as well. If positive information on CoCo/ OS-9/ or OSK products,, "must be seen as advertising",, then all we'&'re left with is the negative. I would think Delphi will allow more then that. anted,, open balntant advertising,, I might j understand would be frowned upon. andn it could be siometimes a fine line,,,,, (I don't really think so) BUT< When I ask about a product,, even if it be yours; I7d hope you could respond in open SIG as to what you feel ar eit's better points. That makes me and others who read thh SIG informed. If that stops,, so do I. Til then,,, Terry Simons -*- 87986 16-JUN 23:11 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87977) From: MRUPGRADE To: DSRTFOX As I start seeing "INSTALL" programs in OS software,, which eleminates thh need for theh 1000 page manual,,, even I (would youo belive) am becoming interest in OS as well as RS software. I just keep pecking away at the "OS only types",,, trying oto say, 2together we amke a community. Most realize that,, but as oyouo say,, there's always theh Computer terms/ titles seeming to be more a cryptic language. is not cr*p. To the non proficient hacker or general user, it is a reality. Ken you or your friends didn't buy a MM/1, System 4, etc because you found it more user friendly and to have more softeware availablity then a PC, Mac, or Amiga. I once started a $100 check to Frank Hogg for Word star, on the CC2. Thanks to his honesty I didn't buy it. It required some working knowledge of OS-9, or i.e. was not "ready to run". Comparing avaliablity to a CC3 OS-9 is kinda pointless. But on the other hand,, I'D supposed what is there; does give cause for excitement. Home-Pac a home management program, intergating of several pieces of softeware in to a highly effieient set; has recently been written over to OS-9. Though being practical application, I doubt it'ud take the community by storm. I guess I need to remember COCO'ers (from which OSKers spring) has always been a hackers (of one sort or another) computer. I'm just trying to shed some light from a "general users" point of view. But then in that sence I've always felt like a lone voice in the crowd. For myself; if I never touched another club/ CoCo Mag./ Delphi agian,,, my CoCo would still be an indespensible part of my home/ business. Sometimes we forget: "Computers are like automobiles. There are those who put 'em under the tree in the backyard. Turn out the cams, oversize the pistons, and add little chrome thingies. They are proud and these things are imprtant to them. Then there are those who want to get in, turn the key, and drive to California. They know nothing nor do they care; as to how to set a lifter or spark plug. They are too busy doing things which are; important too them. The latter are deeply indepted to they former, for the advances and conviences that are discovered. Calamity could only ocur if one forgets,,, "he is dependant on the other". OSK machines in the hobby community without doubt has their well deserved strong points. If we're gonna discuss good reasons for same,, it's those strong points I'd be more interested in hearing. Til then,, Terry Simons -*- 87989 16-JUN 23:55 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87977) From: DWHILL To: DSRTFOX DECB? What's that? ;) --Damon -*- 87990 17-JUN 00:00 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87986) From: BOISY To: MRUPGRADE > As I start seeing "INSTALL" programs in OS software,, which eleminates > thh need for theh 1000 page manual,,, even I (would youo belive) am > becoming interest in OS as well as RS software. > > I just keep pecking away at the "OS only types",,, trying oto say, > 2together > we amke a community. Most realize that,, but as oyouo say,, there's > always theh I'm curoius. Seeing all the interest you are exibiting.... > are you concidering an OSK/68K ? Naww,,, Boisy. If I went oto another computer; after all theh fun of getting anything decent, including hardware, from an ad off somewhere,, I think I'd go to soemthing supported locally. But as for my interest,,, I live in more then "my own little world". Adn whether I use various languages, envoronments, etc,, of thh CoCo,, I like to have soem grasp of those who do and why. RE > I disassociate my agenda with that of theh CoCo user. ..... Fine with me. You aaahh,, have my permission. But as for OSK hobby users,, i.e. MM/1, System 4, etc in general,,, I don't think they'll be so quick. Of take all theh CoCo stuff outta a Fest,, and where would you hold it? I don't think the community is quit e ready to make that kinda split. Shurely you're not suggesting it? wher I come from is simple. the CoCo started as did many with RSDOS,, some then went oto OS-9,, a few of those opted toward OSK. (you know Boisy, th the same route you took) Now RSDOS to OSK,, is a long bridge,, with admittedly a few planks missing. (i.e. they are not neccessarily recripcally compatible). But those of us who ar eon that brigde,, or supporting theh CoCo community; do now and then want to take a look at both ends. Make sence? Til then,,, Terry Simons -*- 87995 17-JUN 01:35 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87963) From: WA2EGP To: MRUPGRADE Actually, if you get MicroWare's source book you will find that there is much more software for OSK boxes than for level II. Just because there are "cryptic" names does not mean they don't exist. It would be nice if there were more (especially for the CoCo) but the market is for the OSK box. IT IS good that more software is being developed for the CoCo. IT shouldn't be abandoned. And there shouldn't be any split between OS-9 and OSK users. I'm glad to see that both types of software were available at the fest.......and sad that I couldn't go (sniff). -*- 87999 17-JUN 02:52 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87989) From: COCOKIWI To: DWHILL DISK EXTENDED COLOR BASIC...........first came COLOR BASIC then one added EXTENDED to COLOR BASIC............Then you went out and brought.. A DISK drive and Controller that ADDED the DISK to.....the above!. Dennis -*- 88000 17-JUN 03:42 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87999) From: DWHILL To: COCOKIWI Yeah, I that, or I used to... About a year or so ago I had to find a DECB program and start it up, and I couldn't remember how! I've been into OS-9 for so long and completely, that the old Basic is totally irrelevant to me. I'd chuck my Coco 3 and Level II if I could, but I can't afford to invest in a 68k system and the system I have now still works surprisingly well for my needs. Life's peculiar like that. --Damon -*- 88013 17-JUN 20:04 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87989) From: JEJONES To: DWHILL > DECB? What's that? ;) Why, that's the 6809 instruction that decrements the B register, of course. :-) Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside -*- 88023 18-JUN 01:50 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88000) From: COCOKIWI To: DWHILL Hee.Hee! My god ! you forgot how to RUN.....I just forked out $$$$ on my upgrade<486>.... BUT! I still have the old CoCo-3 here! Dennis -*- 88024 18-JUN 01:55 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88013) From: COCOKIWI To: JEJONES OH! boyyyyy! thats a good one..Why did'nt I think of that! :-} Dennis -*- End of Thread. -*- 87966 16-JUN 01:56 General Information RE: runb/basic memory allocation (Re: Msg 87947) From: THUNDERFNGRS To: HAWKSOFT (NR) The parameter is an integer in a statement as you described. The program runs once you guess the magic memory allocation number, so that makes me think the program is OK. I wonder if his shell or runb modules are OK. I have not run the program on my system because it refers to files that I have and that I don't want changed. It also refers to devices I don't have. Thanks for your response. Please let me know if you have any new ideas -*- 87967 16-JUN 03:44 General Information RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 87773) From: BROWN80 To: BOISY Glad to hear that the conference was a success. I had tried to dial into it, but I overslept. I'll try harder next time. John Brown -*- 87968 16-JUN 03:44 General Information RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931) From: BROWN80 To: REVWCP Brother Jeremy, in answer to your survey: 1. John G. Brown 2. I am 46 years old 3. I started using a CoCo 1 at age 33 4. I started using OS-9 at age 43 5. I have had no formal training Good luck on your article. John Brown -*- 87970 16-JUN 06:56 General Information RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931) From: KEITHBAUER To: REVWCP > > 1. Keith Bauer > 2. 37 > 3. 28 > 4. 31 > 5. None Keith Bauer CIS:71102,317 Delphi:keithbauer Internet:kbauer@pids.com Via InfoXpress/OSK ver 1.01 How 'bout them Cowboys! -*- 87979 16-JUN 22:22 General Information RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931) From: DSRTFOX To: REVWCP Francis (Frank) Swygert, age 32, First CoCo age 25 (bought first soldering iron 2-3 months after!), started seriously messing with OS-9 at about 29, have very little formal training... just a BASIC programming course and soe basic computer skills courses. Plenty OJT working with a Wang VS8450 mini-computer with 249 terminals connected to the serial cable concentrator boxes! Works amazingly similar to OS-9! -*- 87983 16-JUN 23:04 General Information RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87979) From: 01GEN40 To: REVWCP 1. Eugene R. Anderson 2. Currently 42 1/2 3. Got my first CoCo 3 in 1988 at age 36 4. Got OS-9 L2 about a year later at age 37 5. No formal computer or programming training at all. Everything I know I learned from books and reading all these messages from the REAL pro- gramers. I hope this may help in it's small little way. : -) LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! -= 01GEN40 =- -*- 87984 16-JUN 23:05 General Information RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931) From: MRGOOD To: REVWCP Name: Hugo Bueno Age: 30 Coco Age: 21 OS9 Age: 21 Trainng: no -*- 87996 17-JUN 01:43 General Information RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87957) From: WA2EGP To: WDTV5 Geez...you have one of those Super Elfs too. Still got mine. And I patched the cassete BASIC so I could get true lower case (and it even worked). Too bad it was so slow (especially with my "line editor" text processor and data- base, all written in BASIC). :-> -*- 88016 17-JUN 20:18 General Information RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87996) From: WDTV5 To: WA2EGP I never got anywhere near as far as running basic on it. But I did write (in asm by entering it in hex with the monitor) about 3.5k of a little utility we needed at the tv station (KRCR, Redding CA) to add a frame accurate countdown leader and the cue tones for use with an automatic station break machine controller we had at the time. I built the video hardware, real simple since we needed chars 1/2 a screen high. The whole thing was timed and controled by house vertical drive, starting each trip thru the loop on the falling edge, doing some stuffs, then waiting for the riseing edge to finish it up. Speed is relative, it was all done with making new video, doing what machine controls it needed to do, the whole maryann by early in line 17, so I never hasd to worry about it changing the video in mid-frame. The video hardware it built only needed 6 bytes of dma per vertical scaidn't keep to busy doing that. It also had one of those tv clock chips as part of the video, mmainly so I could burn the time into the video and prove to the client that his carefully crafted :30 spot was indeed :33 long! I never did get around to eproming the p@program tho, recorded it on a standard A size cartridge since cart machines are everywhere in the broadcast bussiness, and had a gelcell backup battery on it that would last long enough to run out and start the generator when the power failed. That was in '79, and in '89, the last time I checked, it was still going just like the energizer bunny! Cheers, Gene -*- 88017 17-JUN 20:46 General Information RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931) From: CPERRAULT To: REVWCP Here's my information Brother Jeremy... 1. Name: Chris Perrault 2. Age: 21 3. Started on the Coco at Age 10 4. Started OS9 at age 17 5. My only formal training was a year and a half of High School Data Processing. It was one of the shops offered, and after a year and a half of carpentry, I moved to DP. So I didn't get to attend the full class, as they are 3 years. A little clarification tho, from about age 13 untill I was seventeen, I cooled off of computers,except for the games, and then got the 'bug' for computers again after not doing so well at school in my carpentry shop program. After 1 1/2 years of that I finally returned to my computer roots and switched over to the Computer Shop. Needless to say, after spending so much time with a Coco as my only computer experience, I found the PC's at school, 'boring' :-) >Chris< -*- 88020 18-JUN 00:12 General Information RE: Survey (Re: Msg 88016) From: WA2EGP To: WDTV5 Well, the Voyager space craft also used the 1802 and we know how well they worked in that environment. Now that was a REAL hacker's machine. I heard of someone who had the RCA COSMAC (similar machine) and used it to monitor the modulation of a radio station. That fellow CMOSed the whole thing and put backup batteries on it. AT the end of the week, he would disconnect it, carry it home in his briefcase and print out the data at home. Then he would clear the data and return the next day with the machine and hook it upfor another week. This all while the thing was running continuously. At least you learn to write lean, compact code when you have 256 bytes of memory! (grin) -*- End of Thread. -*- 87969 16-JUN 03:44 General Information RE: anybody want to help? (Re: Msg 87953) From: BROWN80 To: JEJONES I'm interested. At the moment, I can not guarantee that I can help or even attend, but I will try if someone contacts me for some specific task. This could be the kind of oportunity for publicity that we need. John Brown -*- 87971 16-JUN 08:15 General Information RE: anybody want to help? (Re: Msg 87969) From: JEJONES To: BROWN80 > I'm interested. At the moment, I can not guarantee that I can help or > even attend, but I will try if someone contacts me for some specific task. > This could be the kind of oportunity for publicity that we need. Cool! If you're interested, then I'd recommend that you send Russ email letting him know. From Delphi, you'd use as his address internet"reh@fore.com" and it should reach him with no problem. Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside -*- End of Thread. -*- 87974 16-JUN 21:03 General Information RE: nitro/lha (Re: Msg 87754) From: VE3DAC To: WDTV5 The mystery has been solved for some of us at least. Following a suggestion from Wes Gale, we went back to the RBF in Nitro 1.15. That has solved everyones problems so far. Even Wes had some problems but his were intermittent. Sorry this took so long to get answered, but I have been away for 2 weeks, checking out the Pacific in cool cool Brit. Columbia. Wes has suggested that anyone using RBF in Nitro 1.16, go back to the 1.15 version. It has only a few mods and he feels it is quite stable. T The CRC for the one in memory - oops I'm not in Nitro mode..... I do believe the CRC is FA84C1, size $12AE according to my notebook. Now why didn't I bootup in the hot O.S.??? As you say, cheers Merv -*- 87992 17-JUN 00:24 General Information RE: nitro/lha (Re: Msg 87974) From: WDTV5 To: VE3DAC Didja give the .32 version a chance? I haven't had any probs here myself, even when I was running 1.16 (ed31) Now that I've been running this ed32 for a couple of weeks or longer, and we now have yet another version of lha (2.11c) I still haven't had any probs. Cheers, Gene, end of comercial for RBF.ed32 (nitro only) -*- 88022 18-JUN 00:54 General Information RE: nitro/lha (Re: Msg 87992) From: VE3DAC To: WDTV5 I unarc'd your upload for RBF32, but as usual my accolades for docs that are beyond my comprehension. Maybe its the heatwave!!! I have RBF ed 31 from Nitro 1.15 CRC FA84C1 size $12AE from Nitro 1.16 CRC 70E73E size $129F Could you advise where you got your RBF? You talk about using the latest Nitro RBF but it doesn't appear to be either of these. I'll send another message when I figure out what you are talking about in having to do something with vfy. I'm about to unarc your ramdisk, I would like something better than the old KD rammer, but am I going to read a history of the development again? We'll see. Must be the heat, this doesn't read quite as lite as I intended. Double Cheers Merv -*- 88028 18-JUN 10:54 General Information RE: nitro/lha (Re: Msg 88022) From: WDTV5 To: VE3DAC (NR) Hummm, maybe its not the heat wave, alltho we all could use some AC! I had studied on the ed 31 vers, didn't like what I was seeing. So I studied up on the ed 30 vers, liked it a LOT better. Basicly I nativized the ed30 version, but as I recall, the .ipc needs the 1.15/ed31 starter kit. If thats not it (heck, that was back in April, tax time & all that) then I may have to submit the whole thing. I was making some rather feable (feeble) attempts at not upsetting the folks whose code I studied/copied/modeled mine after, copyrights and all that. So I'll ask the SIG ops here, as in Greg Law or Paul Jerkatis: Can I submit the ready to ezgen into your boot code? Cheers, Gene -*- End of Thread. -*- 87978 16-JUN 22:18 General Information RE: MM/1a sanctioned? (Re: Msg 87910) From: DSRTFOX To: BOISY Try asking David Graham... he'll know! (NIMITZ here) -*- 87981 16-JUN 22:39 General Information RE: MM/1a sanctioned? (Re: Msg 87910) From: NIMITZ To: BOISY Boisy, the MM/1a designation is definitely OFFICIAL. Carl Kreider was thoughful enough to anticipate this problem, (of how to designate a 68340 equiped MM/1), and ask for a decision from me and Kevin Pease, and we all agreed on the MM/1a. I'll try to readdressthis issue in my next article 2'68m. David -*- End of Thread. -*- 87980 16-JUN 22:27 General Information RE: Discontinued software (Re: Msg 87959) From: DSRTFOX To: MMCCLELLAND I currently publish "the world of 68' micros". Good coverage of the CoCo and OSK machines. Some DECB, but over half is OS-9/OSK related. Current subscription price is $23 per year, 8 issues per year (roughly every six weeks). Send a check to FARNA Systems, Box 321, Warner Robins, GA 31099-0321 -*- 88001 17-JUN 04:28 General Information RE: Discontinued software (Re: Msg 87980) From: JOELHEGBERG To: DSRTFOX > I currently publish "the world of 68' micros". Good coverage of the CoCo > and OSK machines. Some DECB, but over half is OS-9/OSK related. Current > subscription > price is $23 per year, 8 issues per year (roughly every six weeks). Send a > check to FARNA Systems, Box 321, Warner Robins, GA 31099-0321 Wow, sounds like a good magazine... I hear it has some good columists, as well. ;) -- Joel Mathew Hegberg. Delphi : JOELHEGBERG GEnie : j.hegberg Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com -*- End of Thread. -*- 87988 16-JUN 23:15 General Information RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87951) From: 01GEN40 To: MMCCLELLAND Boy, do I feel old now!! :-) LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! -= 01GEN40 =- -*- 87991 17-JUN 00:07 General Information Nitros9 joystick! From: CHARLESAM To: VE3DAC Merv, maybe your the one who can help me. I'm using my nitros9 boot right now. I've solved several problems with help I got here. One sticky problem refuses to budge. I'm using CC3IO.orginal, upgraded to nv116, grfdrv.orig. upgraded to nv115. When I put up a graphic game such as shanghai, my joystick cursor cannot reach the far upper right or the bottom left of my screen. Consequently, I can't play one of my favorites Klondike. I can play shanghai but I just barely reach tiles on the bottom left. I've tried every file in the database concerning those two modules. Nada. I'm at a loss as to what to try next. If you can help with this I'd be much in your debt. Thanx Charlie -*- 88021 18-JUN 00:41 General Information RE: Nitros9 joystick! (Re: Msg 87991) From: VE3DAC To: CHARLESAM (NR) Well I'll do some research and see if I get your results. I seldom play games but I have played Shanghai and I don't remember having problems with the joystick. I'll get back on and let you know my findings. Merv -*- End of Thread. -*- 87993 17-JUN 00:59 Rainbow OS-9 Material ($) RE: OS9 LEVEL II (Re: Msg 87960) From: MMCCLELLAND To: CADELLE (NR) Well, your best bet is to buy a used copy. Try posting an ad in the CLASSIFIEDS section of this SIG, or better yet, see if anybdy is selling one. If worst comes to worst and you can't get a used copy, call your local Radio Shack and ask for the number of Discontinued Software Hotline, an (800) number. They will sell you a new copy, but I'm not sure how much it will cost. While you are at it, you might want to order Multi-Vue and/or the OS-9 developer's package (which contatns a C compiler and an assembler ). Hope you enjoy OS-9! :-> -=Mark=- -*- 87998 17-JUN 01:56 General Information Survey From: WA2EGP To: REVWCP 1. Robert J. Toegel 2. 43 3. 33 when I got the CoCo 4. 34-35 when I got into OS-9 5. Took a course in BASIC and 2 semesters of COBOL (cuz I was told at my job that "I didn't know anything about computers unless I took a college course." Learned BASIC before I took the course (easy A). Mostly self- taught (self-confused?) Taught high school computer "programming" briefly, now mainlining science education (physics and chemistry). Still learning languages and OS's. Eventually will be able to crash any machine. -*- 88002 17-JUN 04:28 Programmers Den OS-9 Live! From: JOELHEGBERG To: ALL Just a brief note to inform the public-at-large... Boisy Pitre will be hosting the OS-9 Live conference this Saturday, June 18th, at 10pm Eastern time. The topic of discussion will be the OS-9 Make utility. This is an exciting topic for those of us who have yet to learn how to use the Make utility. C programmers are encouraged to attend! I shall be writing up an article on the Make utility shortly after the conference. The article will appear in both the M.O.T.D. and 68'Micros magazine. I'd also like to extend my thanks and regards to everyone I met at the Chicago show this year... it was a great time, and I enjoyed getting to meet still more people have written some great programs for our computers, and others who have just been supporting us free-lance programmers over the years. :) -- Joel Mathew Hegberg. Delphi : JOELHEGBERG GEnie : j.hegberg Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com -*- 88003 17-JUN 04:35 General Information Postscript From: PAGAN To: ALL Is there any OSK utility I can use to strip postscript info out of a file leaving just the plaintext? Stephen (PAGAN) +----------------------------------------------------+ | God fights on the side with the heaviest artillery | +----------------------------------------------------+ -*- 88011 17-JUN 19:39 General Information RE: Postscript (Re: Msg 88003) From: COLORSYSTEMS To: PAGAN (NR) > Is there any OSK utility I can use to strip postscript info out of a file > leaving just the plaintext? Have you looked at the file yet? If it is merely an ASCII text file which was converted to print as plain text on a Postscript printer, it probably has "preamble" of Postscript code, followed by the text itself, followed by some trailer code. ------------------------------------ Zack C Sessions They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye". -*- 88014 17-JUN 20:04 General Information RE: Postscript (Re: Msg 88003) From: JEJONES To: PAGAN (NR) > Is there any OSK utility I can use to strip postscript info out of a file > leaving just the plaintext? I think that such a program would have to know a whole lot about the PostScript source it was looking at. One could probably study the wrapper that various simple ASCII-to-PostScript programs puts around its input and write a stripper for those particular filters, but it wouldn't work for other such things, and it's not clear that the transformation they do is necessarily invertible (some pull out a word at a time, so you'd lose line boundaries). Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside -*- 88019 17-JUN 22:32 General Information RE: Postscript (Re: Msg 88003) From: JOHNREED To: PAGAN (NR) > Is there any OSK utility I can use to strip postscript info out of a file > leaving just the plaintext? I don't know of a simple OSK stripper. There is a utility (actually a PostScript program) called ps2ascii.ps that can be run with Ghostscript to put out plain text. It looks fairly complex -- I haven't tried it. ******************************** A stitch in time -------------------- ------ is worth two in the bush John R. Wainwright <> <> -*- End of Thread. -*- 88004 17-JUN 05:33 General Information survey From: WAYNETHOMPSO To: REVWCP Brother Jeremy, I enjoyed meeting you at the fest, great work on getting that source!! 1. Wayne Thompson 2. 27 3. 14 4. 25 5. Basic programming in high school, some machine language programmin in tech. school. Wayne -*- 88005 17-JUN 07:00 OSK Applications MM/1 4 Meg Hack From: MARKGRIFFITH To: ALL The MM/1 4 Meg Memory Hack NOTE: This is NOT a pretty hack. There will be several wires going around the board, pins with legs sticking up and piggybacked chips. It is NOT easy to do, so take care and go slow. You'd better be skilled in doing this sort of thing before attempting it or you can do permanent damage to your I/O board. 1. Remove the pins from the SIMM socket that connect to WE* (pin 21). Do this for BOTH sockets. 2. Cut off the tail of the pins as close to the bottom as possible. 3. Solder a wires to each pin and reinsert into the socket so as not make contact with the board. Wrap the one wire around the side and under the socket through to the other side. You might want to use a TINY spot of super glue to hold the pins back in the socket. Pressing a SIMM in will hold them in place. Make sure the pin no longer contacts the solder pad underneath by using a continuity checker or VOM. 4. Take a 74AC32 or 74HCT32 and cut pins 6, 8, and 11 off as close to the chip body as possible. Take pins 12-13, 4-5, and 9-10, and tie them all to ground (pin 7). 5. If your MM/1 DOES NOT have an accelerator board, then cut pins 11, 12, and 13 on the 74HC00 in the middle of the I/O board as close to the board as possible. Pull those pins up. If you DO have an accelerator board, or are planning on getting one very soon and don't want to use your computer until then, don't do this step. 6. Solder a wire from pin 16 of U1 (the 22V10 PAL) on the back side of the board, wrap it around and solder it to pins 12 and 13 of the 74HC00. If you have an accelerator board, solder the wire directly to pin 1 of of piggybacked 74AC32 when it is mounted. 7. Solder a wire to pin 11 of the 74HC00. Not needed on accelerated MM/1s. 8. Piggyback the 74AC32 onto the 74HC00 soldering only Vcc and ground (pins 7 and 14) to the chip underneath. 9. Solder both the wires from the SIMM socket to pin 3 on the 74AC32. 10. Solder the wire from pin 11 of the 74HC00 to pin 1 of the 74AC32. On acclerated MM/1s this wire is directly from pin 16 of the PAL. 11. Solder a wire from pin 2 to WE*. A good place to get it is one of empty holes where you unsoldered the SIMM socket pins. CHECK ALL YOUR WORK BEFORE APPLYING POWER TO THE SYSTEM!!! If you plan on running with 1 Meg SIMMs for the time being, just restart your system and all should work. If it doesn't, start checking your work. When you plan on using 4 Meg SIMMs, you need to make a new init module. Take a 3 Meg init module and copy it using a new name to denote it is a 8 Meg init. Take that init module and modify offset $DF from $20 to $80. Modify offset $AA from $33 to $38. Make a new bootdisk using this module. Make sure you identify this as an 8 Meg boot. Also, you'll need to change the memory setting jumpers on the mother board to use the full 8 Meg. On a 1 Meg system, the jumper closest to the backplane is jumpered and the other is not. On a 3 Meg system, both jumpers are set, on the 8 Meg system, remove the jumper closest to the backplane and keep the other one on. Just the opposite of the settings for a one meg system. You can boot a 3 Meg system using an 8 Meg bootdisk and it will work until you try to write past the upper memory limit and then crash city. Be aware of this. Good luck! /*********** /\/\ark *************/ (Upload with InfoXpress Ver. 1.01) -*- 88009 17-JUN 19:31 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 4 Meg Hack (Re: Msg 88005) From: NIMITZ To: MARKGRIFFITH (NR) If you don't like doing this sort of thing, look for the 8 meg memory upgrade board from BlackHawk Enterprises, Inc. within the next 2-3 months. Faster if enough paid orders ($120 each) are received before the end of June. This includes a $25 deposit against the trace in of your old minibus cards. David -*- 88010 17-JUN 19:33 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 4 Meg Hack (Re: Msg 88005) From: NIMITZ To: MARKGRIFFITH (NR) Sorry, that last was supposed to be a thank you note for shareing this information with the community at large. I'm looking forward to receiving the board sets from you that you send Wednesday! This should put us on the road again! David -*- End of Thread. -*- 88006 17-JUN 07:00 General Information Cancelling Account From: MARKGRIFFITH To: ALL Hello All, I'm going to be cancelling my Delphi account soon, so I wanted to say goodbye and leave alternate mail addresses for anyone that want to get hold of me. I can be reached at the following addresses: 76070.41@compuserve.com griffith@tripos.com See ya'll! /*********** /\/\ark *************/ (Upload with InfoXpress Ver. 1.01) -*- 88007 17-JUN 14:31 General Information shellplus From: MMCCLELLAND To: ALL I am having trouble with the shell plus. Whenever I boot off of a disk that has shell plus on it, my startup file is not executed. I also have this problem when I try to load anything with the startup file. The program is loaded, but the startup file stops dead in its tracks. Putting a <&> after each line doesn't help the problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated! -*- 88008 17-JUN 14:51 General Information kudos to a GOOD company From: MARTYGOODMAN To: ALL I'd like to share with folks my very positive experiences with the folks at Bocca Rattan, FL who service and support "Bocca Modems". I have several here that were sold by "The Complete PC". One of them died. These are 14.4K baud V.32bis / V.42bis modems, with the modern Rockwell single LSI chip. I did some diagnosis on the modem, and based on that (swapping ROM's between that modem and another identical one, putting an oscilloscope on the address and data lines and on the crystal oscillator, checking integrity of the 1488 and 1489 level converters) pretty well established that most likely I had a modem with a blown central processor and/or static RAM. I then called tech support for the company. I explained that I did not have a receipt for the modems, and that they were more than a year old. The technician's response was "We fully guarantee our modems for FIVE YEARS. Just send the bad one in (he gave me a RAM number) and we'll fix it for free, and return it to you." Now THAT is impressive, professional, and highly generous support. Equally important to me (tho perhaps of only minor interest to most end users) was the fact that the tech listened carefully to my story of what I had done to try to diagnose the modem's problem, and then shared his experience with repairing them with me, to tell me that he felt it almost certainly was a blown central processor. I had already told him that I could probably replace the 28 pin surface mount 32K by 8 generic static RAM chip, but that I neither had spare CPU/controller chips for that modem, nor did I have the experience or tools required to replace the ultra-compact 64 pin square surface mount chip. The tech said that IF I had the equipment, he'd happily send me a spare CPU, given that he respected my ability to analyze the modem and that he felt I knew what I was talking about. THAT kind of kind support at a down and dirty level is especially unusual for consumer products, and is yet ANOTHER reason I'm impressed by the experience. I'd certainly recommend The Complete PC and Bocca Modems to anyone who is considering buying a modem. One other modem maker I have also had extraordinarily positive dealings with regarding technical support and repair is Multitech. I'd say both The Complete PC / Bocca Modems AND Multitech get my HIGHEST praise in that department. On the other side of the scale, the WORST experiences I've had regarding attempts at product support involving modems has been EVEREX. Avoid ANYTHING they make LIKE THE PLAGUE! ---marty -*- 88012 17-JUN 19:46 General Information RE: Sony Service Anecdote (Re: Msg 87939) From: CLTUCKER To: MARTYGOODMAN (NR) Hi Marty. I am sending you the Sony HD. You can use it for your information. I can't get it going so it is useless to me. Do as you choose with it. If you can get some info from it perhaps that will help someone else. Thks(g) CLT -*- 88015 17-JUN 20:06 General Information modem From: JBMANNING To: MARTYGOODMAN (NR) I recieved the modem and am using it now it works great Jim M -*- 88018 17-JUN 21:06 Programmers Den RE: Basic09 Disk Access (Re: Msg 87818) From: NEALSTEWARD To: RANDYKWILSON (NR) Will try upgrading my program ASAP. Thanks very much, our BBS users will thank you as well since this will speed up access times for them too. -*- 88025 18-JUN 05:00 Programmers Den RE: "INKEY" in C (Re: Msg 87942) From: ALWAGNER To: JHICKLE (NR) Thanks for the help. I finally got to talk to the guy who actually wrote the program I am translating and asked him, but I didn't know about # and % yet. Thanks again. -*- 88026 18-JUN 05:17 Programmers Den RE: C programming again (Re: Msg 87911) From: ALWAGNER To: COLORSYSTEMS Please, bear with me as now I am confused on something I thought I understood! I thought if you used the preincrementation the equivelent would be: exp1; while(exp2) { exp3; statement; } Where as if post incrementation were used: exp1; while(exp2) { statement; exp3; } In both cases, the exp3 is executed BEFORE the conditional is evaluated the SECOND time, but where it is evaluated in relation to statement is what is important here. If I am wrong, then why is the guy's original program crashing? The actual numbers he used to index his array were ok, but I maintain that because he used preincrementation, the index actually went one past the conditional on the last pass. -*- 88027 18-JUN 10:54 Programmers Den RE: C programming again (Re: Msg 88026) From: COLORSYSTEMS To: ALWAGNER (NR) The compiler doesn't even notice whether or not use used preincrementation or postincrementation on the exp3 expression in a for() loop in assembling the control code for a for() loop. It has no bearing whatsoever on the structure of the loop. Regardless of which form the exp3 expression is, it is ALWAYS performed LAST, after any statement(s) the for() loop executes and just before the implied while() is branched back to. If you go back and re-read the original question, the program was NOT bombing out in every situation. He said it worked perfectly but only for small values for the array bounds. He only ran into a problem when he tried to make the arrays large, apparently too large for the stack space allocted for the program. ------------------------------------ Zack C Sessions They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye". -*- End of Thread. -*- FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit>