read new nonstop follow 89834 8-SEP 19:26 General Information 4in1 From: CHARLESAM To: ALL I just got my 4in1 board for my SC-II. If all goes right, I'll have a Disto RS-232, a Kenton SCSI HD controller, and a smartwatch for sell. Anyone interested in any of those items, e-mail me a bid.(sell=sale). It should take me a weekend to set it up and then I'll be ready to ship. ...Charlie... -*- 89835 8-SEP 20:32 General Information RE: Offline for a while (Re: Msg 89832) From: REVWCP To: KSCALES (NR) Dear Ken: Please give the happy couple my best wishes. With all best wishes, Brother Jeremy, CSJW OS9 User's Group Treasurer -*- 89836 8-SEP 21:07 New Uploads RE: CC3 to SVGA (analog) adaptor (Re: Msg 89802) From: TEDJAEGER To: MITHELEN > Most modern multi-frequency monitors (MultiSync is a trade name of NEC) > will NOT sync down to 15.701 kHz (CoCo/MM1) Especially if you want one > that is in the 17" range... I did a LOT of looking for a monitor that I > could both use on my MM/1, and my Sun. I wanted at least 17" diagonal, but Yes, but I believe the earlier NEC multiSync monitors (NEC 3D) will sync to 15.75 kHz and I see in Computer Shopper that NEC sells remanufactured units. Perhaps a good buy can be had. I also have in some notes here that a Packard Bell model PB8530MS is a multifrequency monitor that will work at 15.75 kHz. These certainly are not 17 in monitors but may fit the bill for someone who wants to share a monitor between a PC and a CoCo or MM1. Bests ---TedJaeger -*- 89837 8-SEP 21:23 OSK Applications OS9 LII Get/Set Codes From: VAXELF To: ALL I am looking for the discription of the following OS9 LII Get/Set Codes. $17 $18 $19 $1f I am porting some OS9 LII Basic09 code to the MM/1 using OSK Basic. If it will help I can email part of the Basic code that contains the SYSCALL Calls. John D. -*- 89838 8-SEP 21:30 General Information RE: September Conference schedual (Re: Msg 89756) From: CPERRAULT To: TIMKIENTZLE >>What time are all of these conferences?<< Woops, they are all at 10:00 pm Eastern time. Btw, who was at the most recent one last Monday Night? I couldn't make it due work and Jim Vestal took over this one for me. How was it? >Chris< -*- 89839 8-SEP 21:30 General Information RE: Conference Announcement:OS-9 Late Ni (Re: Msg 89764) From: CPERRAULT To: EDELMAR >>MW Does not include RunB (Basic) with professional OS-9<< Yikes! Sorry about the misinformation for anyone who read that. I WAS told by somebody that it was included, when I brought up a similar subject as David's. I was talking about how Basic programming was going to be difficult in the OSK world when many people owners don't have Basic or runb. Then someone said that Microware distributes runb with OS-9, which made sense to me. I think they should to be honest(and the run-time module to any intermediate code type language they sell like Basic). Thanks for straightening that out Ed... >Chris< -*- 89840 8-SEP 21:30 General Information RE: OSK/AMIGA (Re: Msg 89781) From: CPERRAULT To: DBREEDING >>As I said, I didn't spend it all at one time, but, by the same token, you can piecemean build your OSK system, too.<< Yes, that is one of the pros of the kits they sell(as well as what Frank was describing). I hope both Kwindows and Gwindows find a way to fit permantly into our market. They each have their own identity and their own advantages, so I would like to get a machine that runs both of them. 'Course if it doesn't work out that way it always give me the incentive to get two another OSK machine after my first. Now if only I could get the new truck and start saving up for my FIRST machine. All this OSK talk makes me drool! >Chris< -*- 89871 10-SEP 15:08 General Information RE: OSK/AMIGA (Re: Msg 89840) From: DBREEDING To: CPERRAULT > >>As I said, I didn't spend it all at one time, but, by the same > token, you can piecemean build your OSK system, too.<< > > Yes, that is one of the pros of the kits they sell(as well as > what Frank was describing). > I hope both Kwindows and Gwindows find a way to fit permantly > into our market. They each have their own identity and their own > advantages, so I would like to get a machine that runs both of themn As`far as I`know`it`is`kind`of`an`eitheroor`situation`except`for`the`MMql and`I fear`that`the`Delmar`and`FHogg`systems`wongt`see`KWindowsn``The only`reason`I`would`like`to`see`KmWindows`is`for`compatibilityl`as`at this`timel`most`of`the`windowmapps`have`been`directed`at`KmWn``Igm`not all`that`familiar`with`KmWl`but`it`is`my`understanding that G-W is somewhat Y7}preq|ly`happy with mine, just a matter of getting some more software. I don't load anything in memory on startup (except for linking shell and inizing all the ports, and of course many of the programs are "sticky" modules" that stay loaded after first execution, but with the IDE drive, the program's execution in most cases seems almost instantaneous. One of the first things I did was "mdir". Under the text window, the whole display was there before I got my finger off the ENTER key. My modem port is set at 38.4 K-Baud. If you're interested, and can see your way clear,I really believe you would be happy even getting a terminal system for a while. Then you could begin building your software library. Gosh! I've been building for my coco for over 10 years. It all takes time. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 89873 10-SEP 15:29 General Information RE: OSK/AMIGA (Re: Msg 89871) From: DBREEDING To: DBREEDING OOps... My darn CoCo RS-232 Port is kinda bad to lose connection.. Here's part of the section that glitched... > As far as I knowitis kind of an either or situation except for the MM l > and I fear that the Delmar and FHogg systems won't see KWindows. The > only reason I would like to see K-Windows is for compatibility as at > this time most of the window apps have been directed at K-W. I'm not > all that familiar with K-W, but it is my understanding that G-W is > somewhat more sophisticated, and judging from HAWKSOFT's reaction, this > would seem to bear this assumption out. G-W availability was one reason > that prompted me to make the my decision. > I must say that I'm pretty happy with mine, just a matter of getting some > more software. Well.. that's about what I said originally Had to edit from memory. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 89896 11-SEP 14:20 General Information RE: OSK/AMIGA (Re: Msg 89871) From: CPERRAULT To: DBREEDING >>If you're interested, and can see way clear, I really believe you would be happy even getting a terminal system for a while.<< The hobbiest in me will probably wind up hooking up the Coco as a terminal just for the learning pleasure(I've never hooked up a terminal before), but I doubt I'll start out with a long term terminal system. Besides looking at it from the hacker/hobbiest perspective, there really is nothing in it for me to go that route since I won't wind up doing anything that I'll only do on the Coco. Not that I discourage anyone else from doing so. If you enjoy it, I say why not? The reasons I am going to go straight for the complete system is that 1) I've gone the building route with the Coco. It is nice to be able to do it, but it's somewhat outdated with the lower cost of computing these days. Since I've done that, for my second system, I would rather just get the whole shebang at once(less some of the commercial software at first). Then if I want to do this, I don't have to go and buy such and such hardware all the time(with some possible exceptions in the future of course). Also, 2) I want to use the windowing systems, one of my major reasons for wanting to go OSK. I want to program for them, which I doubt will be possible under a terminal based system. Keep in mind, I'm not trying to shoot down the concept of step by step kit system, just keeping the perspective that they aren't always appropriate depending on what you have to $pend. :- ) >Chris< -*- 89900 11-SEP 15:32 General Information RE: OSK/AMIGA (Re: Msg 89896) From: DBREEDING To: CPERRAULT RE: Starting out with a Terminal System > terminal before), but I doubt I'll start out with a long term terminal > system. Besides looking at it from the hacker/hobbiest perspective, > there really is nothing in it for me to go that route since I won't > wind up doing anything that I'll only do on the Coco. Not that I > discourage anyone else from doing so. If you enjoy it, I say why not? > The reasons I am going to go straight for the complete system is that I think that's the best way to go. It's the way I went. I was only mentioning this for anyone who might be eager to upgrade but couldn't hardly go the whole route now. So far as apps, many are terminal-based at this time.. we just went through a discussion on just this aspect here . But all these programs would work quite well... there's Ved, Sterm, ATP (the QWK mailreader), "ix", and the list goes on and on. In retrospect, I made the statement in regard to window support, but looking at this, termcap looks really good. > Also, 2) I want to use the windowing > systems, one of my major reasons for wanting to go OSK. I want to > program for them, which I doubt will be possible under a terminal > based system. Keep in mind, I'm not trying to shoot down the > concept of step by step kit system. You are definitely right. As I said, I went whole-hog at the outset, and, like you, preferred to NOT go the build-up route, but for anyone who is really anxious to get started, he can get a really viable system and maybe keep the initial cost under $1000, maybe a little more. However, when you consider a COMPLETE system, you're talking in excess of $2000 the best you can do. Probably the cheapest COMPLETE system would be the MM/1, but if you add it all up... including a hard disk and all, it's also going to hit around this figure. However, I do think that one would not be severely hampered in sheer productivity with a terminal system. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- End of Thread. -*- 89841 8-SEP 21:30 General Information Late Night Transcript From: CPERRAULT To: ALL I just(last night) uploaded the edited transcript of the first OS-9 Late Night conference from Augest 29. It should appear in the New Uploads section soon. -*- 89842 8-SEP 22:07 General Information RE: CD-i Success! (Re: Msg 89744) From: BILL32H To: BOISY Coco - 3 ???????? -*- 89843 8-SEP 22:11 General Information RE: CD-i Success! (Re: Msg 89842) From: BOISY To: BILL32H >Coco - 3 ???????? -*- End of Thread. -*- 89844 8-SEP 22:30 General Information RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 89812) From: NEALSTEWARD To: COCOKIWI I installed the 6309 and the 2 meg upgrade last night. Everything seems intact. So there seems to be proof that the hardware problem remains on the old coco 3. I did encounter a couple crashes, but they only occured in MVCanvas under Multi-Vue. I wonder if the problem with that is like that of Kings Quest 3 and Flight Sim 2 with the 2 meg u/g? I have to do some more testing to find the cause and cure. -*- 89869 10-SEP 15:04 General Information RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 89844) From: DBREEDING To: NEALSTEWARD (NR) You mentioned that you experienced a couple crashes with MVCanvas. I've also had MVC to crash on occasion. My system is 512K. Mmm... I now have 6309, not sure about when I noticed crashes.. believe they occurred with 6809, not sure. Can't remember now what I was doing when crashes occurred, either. I do believe there's some little something amiss in it. Would suspect a buffer overwriting other data. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- End of Thread. -*- 89845 8-SEP 22:36 General Information RE: 24 pin eprom (Re: Msg 89813) From: NEALSTEWARD To: COCOKIWI Thanks, my next project will be to stuff the coco in a box. I need to get rid of the SCII so I can use a Y-cable. Loosing the No-Halt mode won7t bother me too much, i rarely ever use floppies except to back up the HD. I have an old RS controller, I hope can handle the 2 mHz!, that I want to put RGBDOS and a Tandy Smartwatch in. Unless there is a hack or fix for the SCII to work reliably on a y-cable... -*- 89884 11-SEP 01:06 General Information RE: 24 pin eprom (Re: Msg 89845) From: COCOKIWI To: NEALSTEWARD (NR) should work if the Y cable is VERY short! or SHIELDED....I have tried both! and right now have a SMALL cable between my MPI and CoCo-3... I use a Super II also!it has the H/D ona board along with the RS232 port! Dennis -*- End of Thread. -*- 89846 8-SEP 22:48 General Information RE: smouse (Re: Msg 89643) From: NEALSTEWARD To: COCOKIWI Do you know if there is any modification required for the serial mouse drivers to work with the Ken-Ton dual com pak? Does the Ken-Ton supply enough voltage to run a mouse? -*- 89851 9-SEP 06:31 General Information RE: smouse (Re: Msg 89811) From: ALAIN1155 To: COCOKIWI thanks very much Dennis Alain -*- 89883 11-SEP 01:03 General Information RE: smouse (Re: Msg 89846) From: COCOKIWI To: NEALSTEWARD (NR) as far as I know should work fine! The Mouse gets its voltage from the RS232 lines itself! Dennis -*- End of Thread. -*- 89847 8-SEP 23:12 General Information RE: Humor (Re: Msg 89831) From: WA2EGP To: CHYDE (NR) We got four PCs for the whole department with hardware and software to do labs. I really like having enough machines for each lab group. I also like having $1000 of extra hardware added to a $2000 computer to do what my I have not seen any data showing students do learn physics better with a computer. In fact physics can be taught using toys picked up at flea markets and garage sales. Ah, but we must be "hi-tech". OF course one explanation is that we are run by the state of NJ and hi-tech looks real good. -*- 89848 8-SEP 23:18 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89833) From: WA2EGP To: MREGC The only TV ads I have seen were the stupid "melting dinosaur sketeton" for CD-i. They never really showed what the machine can do. I don't read gaming zines so I haven't seen those ads. A local mall had a week long 3DO display were you could play the games on that machine. They had about 6 of them set up. And Sears won't even turn the darn thing on! (And when they do it is usually Tetris or some children's software.) Of course the east is a little weird in its own way. -*- 89849 9-SEP 00:15 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89790) From: JEJONES To: CHARLESAM > As far as Sears goes, I'll buy their tools but I'd avoid any electronics > with their name on it. To the best of my knowledge, the CD-i players Sears sells are Philips inclusive-or Magnavox CD-i players. They do *not* bear a Sears label. Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside -*- 89850 9-SEP 01:25 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89848) From: MREGC To: WA2EGP > The only TV ads I have seen were the stupid "melting dinosaur skeleton"... That doesn't ring a bell. What was it about? ..Eric... -*- 89853 9-SEP 08:41 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89833) From: JEJONES To: MREGC > Yes, but not entirely. You can find CD-i ads in several gaming magazines > nowadays. Not just gaming magazines--they've shown up in *Wired* as well. CD-i is getting some coverage now in the gaming mags in articles as well as ads--there was an extensive, quite favorable article in *Electronic Entertainment* earlier this year, and a magazine--darn, I'm not sure of the title; *Computer Gamer*, perhaps?--seems to me to actually be giving CD-i good coverage. The current issue features "Burn:Cycle" on the cover and has a very extensive article on it (as well as a review of the CD-i *Seventh Guest* saying it's the best version of the game out). > Philips also aired > a CD-i info- mercial several months ago. It wasn't bad, but I think they > need to re-do it now that they've got more good DV titles out there. Hmmm....there was an article in *New Media* some months back that covered that infomercial at some length. If memory serves, the idea was this: evidently it took too long to give people the idea of what CD-i is all about in the store at the kiosk--half an hour is a long time to stand in one place at a store while somebody tells you all about something! (Especially if you have a long list of things to buy, children tugging at your clothing wanting to go home, go to the bathroom, etc.) Half an hour relaxing before the tube, though, is another matter--and once you've seen the infomercial, you know what the product is all about, and in the store you can try it out, or ask whether game/movie X is out, and all that. The *New Media* article was *very* complimentary toward the infomercial...but after enough showings, perhaps the infomercial has served its purpose and people know what CD-i is now? Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside -*- 89855 9-SEP 22:19 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89849) From: CHARLESAM To: JEJONES In that case I'll withdraw my statement. Besides which, I won't be buying a CD-i till I upgrade. By that time I'll have had time to look at whats offered. As a knowledgable hacker, can you tell me where I can obtain cables for 4in1 board. I obtained one this week and I can't hook up my HD or RS-232 with my present cables. Any info here is appreciated. ...Charlie... -*- 89856 9-SEP 23:40 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89850) From: WA2EGP To: MREGC If I remember correctly the scene was a bunch of kids (maybe a family) in a some sort of natural history museum looking at a dinosaur skeleton which melts into a CD. They pick it up and at home, pop it into the CD-i player. I think the program that played on the TV was some kind of kids' program with cartoon seals throwing a ball back and forth. I forget the announcer's pitch. I never made me want to buy a machine. Looked like there was very little software for it. It played a lot on the local channels out of NYC. I also saw the "info-mercial" which was better, but not much. -*- 89858 10-SEP 02:06 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89853) From: MREGC To: JEJONES James, > ... I'm not sure of the title; *Computer Gamer*, perhaps?--seems to me to > actually be giving CD-i good coverage. The current issue features "Burn: > Cycle"... That's Computer Player you're speaking of. I've only seen the "Burn:Cycle" issue, which has positive CD-i info in it, but I have to think they're giving CD-i good coverage since the very cover of the mag lists CD-i as one of the 5 platforms it supports, and it notably lists it *above* 3DO! :) > after enough showings, perhaps the infomercial has served its purpose and > people know what CD-i is now? I can't really agree with you there. Here in Phoenix, unlike the more notable infomercials that are starting at 10:00 pm, the CD-i infomercial aired here between 2:00 am and 5:00 am. I don't believe enough of the kinds of people who would make the decision to buy CD-i players were able to see it at those times. I must admit, though, that I've been surprised by a few people who have known about CD-i without me having to spoon-feed information to them. ..Eric... -*- 89870 10-SEP 15:06 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89855) From: DBREEDING To: CHARLESAM > As a knowledgable hacker, can you tell me where I can obtain cables > for 4in1 board. I obtained one this week and I can't hook up my HD or > RS-232 with my present cables. If you have your manual for the 4-in-1, the pinout for the RS-232 is on pg 5, for the HD, page 9. At least this my manual. I'll give you the pinouts in case you don't have it: RS-232: 1=DCD, 2=RXD, 3=TXD, 4=DTR, 5=GND, *6=DSR, *7=RTS, *8=CTS, 9,10=N/C Note: DSR, RTS, CTS on most production models is always held high, so this will probably interfere with any attempt to use hardware handshaking with a modem. You can determine the connections to the 25-pin connector by checking with any modem manual or other sources. HD Port: Even Pins 2-16 D0-D7 (in order 2=D0), 18=N/C, 20=BSY, 22=ACK, 24=RST, 26=MSG, 28=SEL, 30=C/D, 32=REQ, 34=I/O. All odd pins are ground. The HD port uses a 34-pin connector on the 4-in-1 end, a 50-pin connector on the HD end, a 34-wire cable, and it is split, I believe exactly in the middle on the HD end, each half going to the outer edges of the 50-pin connector, with all pins in the middle not connected. The HD cable I have is about 18" long, but I may make one a little longer. I use a PC case to house all my drives (externally), and this cable is just a little short, but I'm not sure how long it can be and still function reliably. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 89876 10-SEP 17:59 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89870) From: MORRISA To: DBREEDING -*- 89880 10-SEP 22:30 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89870) From: CHARLESAM To: DBREEDING Sounds like I'm going to have to make my own. I never tried this before but there's a first time for everything. Just that its sounds involved. Well, I'll give it a go and if I fail, I'll have some one do it for me. This way I'll got some experience from the effort. Thanx Much for the posting. ..Charlie... -*- 89882 10-SEP 22:50 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89855) From: JEJONES To: CHARLESAM (NR) > As a knowledgable hacker, can you tell me where I can obtain cables > for 4in1 board. I regret that I'm not *that* knowledgeable a hacker. I'm sure, though, that many others here are and can tell you what you need to know. Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside -*- 89888 11-SEP 10:59 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89855) From: PHXKEN To: CHARLESAM (NR) The fall Best catalog has Magnavox 450 CD-i for $299 and with the video cartridge $499 with 2 CD's...a savings of $50. I just bought my 450 w/o cartridge with 2 CD's at Best Buy for $299. The new Best support of the CD-i devices put me on the right side of the fence. I like the special interest CD's available for CD-i but not available for any other VideoCD device except maybe the AmigiCD32 which will play some of the older CDTV educational stuff. For example: I have Mozart, Classical Jutebox, Smithsonian Institute, and the encyclopedia and play on buying some more touring, historical, musical disks in the future. For a game machine, I recommend the Atari (American) Jaguar but for MY use, Phillips and Microware have satisfied my need. The 3DO devices may be better technology but they are more money and do not yet have the software that I want. I don't see how the price can come down much more for new CD-i machines. I run mine on an old color composite monitor rather than a TV but it is hooked to the home stereo system. This new cheaper unit has external power supply and RF modulator for TV viewing and the CD is top loaded rather than in a motorized front door. It looks very much like one of the game machines such as Nintendo or Sega but "oh" it does soooo much more. My local Incredible Universe and Sears only sell the $499 Phillips units so the Best Buy and Best and Service Merchandise sales of the cheaper unit are welcome dealers. I wish my AtariST OSK had a little GUI like the CD-i but that will never happen. C U l8er! -*- 89889 11-SEP 11:01 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89856) From: PHXKEN To: WA2EGP CD-i has more software available than any other special interest machine. Over 150 titles and many more in development according to national advertisments. -*- 89890 11-SEP 11:39 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89856) From: JEJONES To: WA2EGP I went to Sears today, and they had a TV out and running a demo disk that displayed a hierarchical menu with categories at the top level. (I wish I could get a disk that would just display the background for that menu! It was VERY nice, with relaxing background music.) Microcosm for CD-i, if the sample is any indication, is amazing. (Kether's already making me want to buy a bigger TV; I don't know how long I can resist if I get Microcosm. :-) If they'd just put that demo disk on one of the BIG screen TVs, they'd draw a lot of interest--heck, several kids came by while I was going through the samples of various disks. Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside -*- 89899 11-SEP 14:59 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89880) From: DBREEDING To: CHARLESAM (NR) > Sounds like I'm going to have to make my own. I never tried this before > but there's a first time for everything. Just that its sounds involved. It's not that complicated, really.. Your biggest problem may be getting the 10-pin connector. Everything else should be available at your Radio Shack. I would suggest for the 25-pin D-connector, get the crimp-on style.. the pins come on a strip, you break off the individual pin, crimp it onto the wire, and insert it into the correct hole in the connector. They make a crimping tool for this and another for the crimp-on connectors, but if this is all you intend to do, you could do the job with a pair of pliers. If you cannot find any 10-pin connectors (these are the same as the connector for the cm-8 monitor), let me know and I can mail you a couple. JDR Microdevices sells them and they have no minimum order. Their # is 1-800-538-5000, address is 1850 South 10th Street, San Jose, CA 95112-4108 The part # for this is IDS10 .45 @ If you order, may as well get other stuff. 50-pin conn.IDS50 1.09 crimp-style 25-M D-conn CP25P .90 pins for 25-M CPP 8.00 100 pins. you can get less, but don't order "1", or you'll get 1 pin Hood for 25-M MPHOOD25-TS (has thumbscrews) Ribbon cable: RC10 .15/ft RC34 .51/ft If you do make your own, you might check for sure (If necessary, I can open up my system and look), but if you can find the pinout for the 50-pin connector to be sure I'm right when I say the 34-cable is split exactly in the middle.. The connectors have a little arrow next to one pin, put the colored line of the cable next to this. This is an index for pin 1. When you split the 34-cable, bring each outside wire to the outside pin of the 50-connector and crimp it on. Should be no big problem.. > Well, I'll give it a go and if I fail, I'll have some one do it for me. > This way I'll got some experience from the effort. Thanx Much for the > posting. > ..Charlie... > -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 89901 11-SEP 19:59 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89888) From: DSRTFOX To: CHARLESAM (NR) Charles, I can help you with the HD cable, since it is the same as used in the Ken-Ton controller. It isn't cheap... $25 + $2.50 S&H, but uses the best GOLD plated connectors around for max reliability. -*- 89904 11-SEP 21:26 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89829) From: HAWKSOFT To: WA2EGP > Radio Shack used to seel the Maggie CDI machine (CDI-2200) and closed it > out for $199.95! Now if you could find one of those....... > I DID!!!!!! Actually it was a demo model so I got 15% off the 199.95!!! Chris :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM ******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.02.00 >****************** -*- 89905 11-SEP 22:54 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89889) From: WA2EGP To: PHXKEN (NR) I know. They should just show that. Most people I have talked to don't know about CD-i but they have heard of 3DO. Now what does that tell you about successful advertising? -*- 89906 11-SEP 22:55 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89890) From: WA2EGP To: JEJONES I wonder if all Sears store have that. Might be worth looking into. All the times I have gone in my local Sears in the past few months, the CD-i display was not even turned on. I must be going at the wrong times (g). -*- 89907 11-SEP 22:58 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89904) From: WA2EGP To: HAWKSOFT (NR) Lucky devil! I got the demo (that's all they had in most of the 750 stores that carried the machine according to my info) too, but no further discount. Considering the original price, even $200 was a deal. -*- End of Thread. -*- 89852 9-SEP 06:32 OSK Applications RE: Kterm (Re: Msg 89826) From: SCWEGERT To: VAXELF Thanks. I was hopping for support of some mainstream tubes like Adds, Wyse, and others. *- Steve -* -*- 89854 9-SEP 20:43 OSK Applications RE: Kterm (Re: Msg 89852) From: VAXELF To: SCWEGERT KTerm is a KWindow program. Were you thinking of running it via a external terminal?? I use it to talk to a UNIX host. I sent the sys admin a copy of the MM/1 termcap file and he added it to the UNIX system. Then all I had to do was to redefine my unix setting to VCS. John D. -*- 89859 10-SEP 06:32 OSK Applications RE: Kterm (Re: Msg 89854) From: SCWEGERT To: VAXELF > KTerm is a KWindow program. Were you thinking of running it via a > external terminal?? > I use it to talk to a UNIX host. I sent the sys admin a copy of the > MM/1 termcap file and he added it to the UNIX system. Then all I had to do > was to redefine my unix setting to VCS. Nope ... if I had a terminal that could emulate an Adds, I wouldn't need an emulator! :-) At the office we have a rather brain dead turn key application that requires an Adds Viewpoint emulation to run. I'd like to access it remotely from home. But until I can find something that runs on my MM/1, looks like I'll have to rely on my PC. *- Steve -* -*- 89863 10-SEP 13:45 OSK Applications RE: Kterm (Re: Msg 89854) From: TIMKIENTZLE To: VAXELF > I sent the sys admin a copy of the MM/1 termcap file and he added it ... Unfortunately, not all sys admins are as cooperative as yours. Not to mention, not everyone uses Unix, where supporting a new terminal simply requires updating a termcap file. - Tim -*- 89877 10-SEP 19:04 OSK Applications RE: Kterm (Re: Msg 89859) From: BOISY To: SCWEGERT Steve, Can you supply me with ADDS emulation info? I'll add it in my new terminal program. -*- 89878 10-SEP 20:09 OSK Applications RE: Kterm (Re: Msg 89863) From: VAXELF To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR) That is very true, but KWindows, does have VT100 compatiblity. The area that it is not compatible, is not that noticible. The ansi that I am doing in KTerm, only has to do with the for/background colors. I pass all other ansi sequencing on to KWindows. I guess the easiest way to add various emulations, would to use the termcap files. I'll have to take a look at that for a possible future release. John D. -*- 89892 11-SEP 13:30 OSK Applications RE: Kterm (Re: Msg 89877) From: SCWEGERT To: BOISY > Can you supply me with ADDS emulation info? I'll add it in my > new terminal program. > Happy to, Boisy. Would just a termcap entry do you would you like copies of the manual pages? If the later, supply me with an address and I'll shoot 'em off to you. *- Steve -* -*- 89894 11-SEP 13:56 OSK Applications RE: Kterm (Re: Msg 89892) From: BOISY To: SCWEGERT > > Can you supply me with ADDS emulation info? I'll add it in my > > new terminal program. > > > > Happy to, Boisy. > > Would just a termcap entry do you would you like copies of the manual > pages? If the later, supply me with an address and I'll shoot 'em off to > you. Well, I already added the emulation, based on this termcap entry: wk|wyse-vp-nk|wyse-nk|Wyse 50 in ADDS Viewpoint enhanced mode with cursor keys gone:\ :kl@:kr@:kd@:ku@:kh@:tc=wyse-vp: wv|wyse-vp|wyse|Wyse 50 in ADDS Viewpoint emulation mode with "enhance" on:\ :am:do=^J:if=/usr/share/lib/tabset/wyse-adds:\ :le=^H:bs:li#24:co#80:cm=\EY%+ %+ :cd=\Ek:ce=\EK:nd=^F:\ :up=^Z:cl=^L:ho=^A:ll=^A^Z:kl=^U:kr=^F:kd=^J:ku=^Z:kh=^A:\ :pt:so=^N:se=^O:us=^N:ue=^O:dl=\El:al=\EM:im=\Eq:ei=\Er:dc=\EW:\ :is=\E`\072\E`9^O\Er:rs=\E`\072\E`9^O\Er: I don't know if this is what you need. If not, send me your termcap entry; otherwise I'll shoot you up a copy of the program. -- Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY |_ _| \ \/ / CompuServe: 74464,3005 I use... _| |_ > < Internet: boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us |_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0 OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems -*- End of Thread. -*- 89857 10-SEP 01:17 General Information RE: OS-9 Late Night (Re: Msg 89822) From: JEVESTAL To: MROWEN01 > Who has a transcript of the OS-9 Late Night Conference that took > place on Labor day? Please let me know when this will be posted. I was > unable to attend. Thanks! I think we are using my copy of the script. It was well attended though several of the regulars from the past conferance wasn't there. Topics of discussion varied. The sugested topic was programming, which did get I think 3 questions asked, one about ASM language and 1 about Basic09 and one about C (I think). It will take me a while to edit it, I had several private discussions via the send that I need to edit out. Jim ======================== InfoXpress 01.01.00 OS-9/6809 ====================== | Narnia BBS: 11pm-7am PDT serving CoCo OS-9 users ----|---- StG network: sysop@Narnia "Exclusively OS-9" | Delphi: JEVestal@delphi.com Marysville, CA InterNet: JEVestal@narnia.citrus.sac.ca.us | or : JEVestal@citrus.sac.ca.us (916) 743-2617 Voice: 7am-11pm PDT :1 Corinthians 1:18 & Romans 1:16 ============================================================================= Jim Vestal: Assistant editor of The International OS-9 Underground, "Magazine dedicated to OS-9/OSK Users Everywhere -*- 89897 11-SEP 14:20 General Information RE: OS-9 Late Night (Re: Msg 89857) From: CPERRAULT To: JEVESTAL (NR) >>Topics of discussion varied.<< So it is still bouncing around like our first one. Thanks for taking care of this one at the last minutes notice btw... Also, is yours a big transcript? I noticed mine was HUGE!!, but it had a lot to do with the fact that I didn't use Supercomm's conference mode, which I thought of AFTER editing down that bad boy to it's current miniature size. I am considering uploading transcripts only of conferences with dedicated topics. What I am considering is keeping the unedited transcripts of the open topics and if anyone should want the transcript from any of those conferences, then I can edit it up and upload it. This way, if it isn't going to be read(I don't know if the first one has a big amount of DL's or not), there won't be any need to cut it down. Let me know how you all feel about this. I'll be more than happy to do it if you all want transcripts, I'm just not sure if open topic conferences are what people will want to read offline, compared to something with a more specific topic. Also, I'm hoping to start a few occasional Wedsnday or Thursday night conferences also, should my schedual permit. I've been working very early on both Thursday and Friday mornings as of late, but maybe I'll get one of the two off occasionally. I have to schedual them so I'm not up late on a work night, for instance, I have Tuesdays off so Monday is the best conference night for me. See Ya >Chris< -*- End of Thread. -*- 89860 10-SEP 10:39 OSK Applications RE: LII SETSST/GETSTT Codes (Re: Msg 89773) From: DBREEDING To: VAXELF > Found the fix. It seems M/L modules's psec header must contain certain > info or Basic will not reconize it as a subroutine. Page A-19 of the MW > Thanks for the reply. This project now has a light at the end of the > tunnel. Soon I'll be able to let everyone know what's up. I think I was off-base anyway I was referring to CoCo, and in reviewing your msg, I believe you were referring to OSK. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 89861 10-SEP 11:05 General Information classified ad From: KEITHBAUER To: ALL If you are interesed in buying an MM/1 system check out the classifieds. Keith Bauer CIS:71102,317 Delphi:keithbauer Internet:keithbauer@delphi.com -*- 89862 10-SEP 13:11 General Information OS9 FOR MAC From: RANDYE To: FHOGG Some time ago, you advertised OS9 for the MAC. I think it was for a 68020 CPU. Does that OS also work on the 68040 CPU? Thanks, RANDYE (Randy Longshore) -*- 89879 10-SEP 22:25 General Information RE: OS9 FOR MAC (Re: Msg 89862) From: FHOGG To: RANDYE (NR) Yes I beleave it does. I just sell it. It is produced by Gibbs Labs. Frank -*- 89902 11-SEP 20:03 General Information RE: OS9 FOR MAC (Re: Msg 89862) From: DSRTFOX To: RANDYE (NR) The only difference between OSK for a 68020 up machine and one with a lesser processor (68008-68010) is the kernal. Motorola changed something in the processor, and Microware changed the kernal to take advantage of the features (in the 68020 and higher). Drivers and utilities are the same, but a 68020+ kernal WON'T RUN on a lesser processor, and vice-versa (according to the developer of the Amiga version of OSK). -*- End of Thread. -*- 89864 10-SEP 14:05 OSK Applications ZModem & Delphi From: TIMKIENTZLE To: ALL Has anyone had experience with ZModem _uploads_ to Delphi at 2400 baud? I've been playing with a couple of programs, and none of them seem to able to do this. If it makes any difference, I'm using Sprintnet. Downloads are no problem, just uploads. Watching the modem lights, it seems that Delphi is ferociously slow responding (sz just dies at the end of the first file because it times out waiting for a response). I don't recall having these problems at higher baud rates. - Tim -*- 89865 10-SEP 14:11 OSK Applications RE: ZModem & Delphi (Re: Msg 89864) From: MRGOOD To: TIMKIENTZLE I recently switched to Tymnet because Sprintnet was getting agonizingly slow all the time. It could be that Sprintnet is your problem as well. Hugo -*- 89867 10-SEP 14:24 OSK Applications RE: ZModem & Delphi (Re: Msg 89864) From: TIMKIENTZLE To: TIMKIENTZLE Delphi's upload protocols are SOOO screwed up. I was just testing YModem and ZModem uploads using Sprintnet at 9600 baud. * For starters, YModem was just as fast as ZModem, which suggests that Delphi's ZModem is very screwed up (with that type of connection, ZModem should be about twice as fast as YModem). * Delphi's `YModem' protocol is just plain weird. It's not YModem, nor is it XModem-K, nor any other protocol I've ever seen. Fortunately, Delphi's `YBatch' is real YModem. * Delphi's ZModem obeys the file size in the header (in direct contradiction to the ZModem specification), which means that ZModem uploads will sometimes lose data from the end. It's just too scary for words.... -*- 89868 10-SEP 14:25 OSK Applications RE: ZModem & Delphi (Re: Msg 89865) From: TIMKIENTZLE To: MRGOOD Sprintnet may be part of the problem, but not all. Part of it is just that Delphi's upload protocols are far worse than the typical BBS. - Tim -*- 89874 10-SEP 16:28 OSK Applications RE: ZModem & Delphi (Re: Msg 89867) From: JOHNBAER To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR) Tim, > Delphi's upload protocols are SOOO screwed up. I was just > testing YModem and ZModem uploads using Sprintnet at 9600 baud. > > * For starters, YModem was just as fast as ZModem, which suggests > that Delphi's ZModem is very screwed up (with that type of connection, > ZModem should be about twice as fast as YModem). When your online next time, do a " /speed " to see what Delphi is offering at that time of login. I've seen my 9600 connection as low as 6,000 and as high as 8,500 at times... > It's just too scary for words.... So far, Zmodem up/down loading has worked for me using Tymnet(sp?). Sprint is a super pain for me to use to login.. Read Slooooooooow. -- John - < Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & IX 1.2.0 > -*- 89886 11-SEP 05:55 OSK Applications RE: ZModem & Delphi (Re: Msg 89874) From: EDELMAR To: JOHNBAER John, > When your online next time, do a " /speed " to see what Delphi is ... Didn't know about that. Tried it this morning (5 AM) - following are the results - "Speed: average offered 9600, sustained 535, average 277, keyboard 83.9%" I was logged in at 9600 so the first number is OK but what do the other 2 numbers represent - Bytes as opposed to baud? I downloaded Tim Kientzles "xyz" last night around 8 PM using his earlier "xy" using Y-batch. Computer connection to modem is 38400, connection to Delphi via Sprintnet was 9600 (don't have Tynet), calculated baud was 5089 (used a stop watch). Works out to an efficiency of about 53%. I have done some machine-to-machine transfers at 38400 baud, files as large as 10 Meg, testing 'xy' and YModem. Typical transfer efficiency was around 65% with large files (1 Meg and larger) reaching 70%. Speaks well of Tim's code. Ed -*- 89887 11-SEP 08:20 OSK Applications RE: ZModem & Delphi (Re: Msg 89886) From: JOHNBAER To: EDELMAR Ed, >> When your online next time, do a " /speed " to see what Delphi is ... > > Didn't know about that. Tried it this morning (5 AM) - following are > the results - > > "Speed: average offered 9600, sustained 535, average 277, keyboard 83.9%" > > I was logged in at 9600 so the first number is OK but what do the other > 2 numbers represent - Bytes as opposed to baud? I can see that you didn't up/download a binary file at this point. Try the same command Before and After you do a binary file 'xfer. As far as I `know' these are baud rates. If the `load' on the packet Net is lite, you'll see the `sustained' jump up real close to the `9600' number and the `keyboard' drop to low percent numbers like around 8%. If say, you start to download a file thats 500K, the packet network your using has a lite to med. load.. things move along good. Now, a load is put on the network that you use to access Delphi by more users. You download slows down, but it's still going. When done, do the /speed command and you'll see that you have sustained say 8500, BUT due to network load, the average could be a low of 3500. I'm going to ask `the powers that be' just what the heck the keyboard percent is all about also. From what I can tell, Delphi can `see' if your typing or moving 8bit data around. Pretty neat thou.. > I downloaded Tim Kientzles "xyz" .... Yea, I got that and found a local BBS that has `G modem' so I can test this out. Will get back to Tim to let him know how I make out. BTW: Here's another neat command for you... /port That tells you which port you got access too. If you have a problem with a connection, and can use the /port, you can give Delphi this info. TTYL. -- John - < Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & IX 1.2.0 > -*- 89909 12-SEP 02:03 OSK Applications RE: ZModem & Delphi (Re: Msg 89886) From: COCOKIWI To: EDELMAR mine...average 9360.....Sustained 1872,average 48,keyboard 65.9% interesting!grin> I have Tymnet!! Dennis -*- 89912 12-SEP 05:16 OSK Applications RE: ZModem & Delphi (Re: Msg 89909) From: EDELMAR To: COCOKIWI (NR) Dennis, Just downloaded a file. This time the stats were average 9600 ... sustained 7900, average 3516. I logged on, did the download and then /speed. Wonder what the real value of /speed is? Ed -*- 89913 12-SEP 09:30 OSK Applications RE: ZModem & Delphi (Re: Msg 89887) From: GREGL To: JOHNBAER (NR) I think 'keyboard' is the percentage of time the software is waiting for you to type something -- a reply to a prompt, a line of text, etc. in relation to your online time. Thus a session consisting of mostly file transfers has a smaller keyboard percentage than one composing messages. -- Greg -*- End of Thread. -*- 89872 10-SEP 15:08 Applications (6809) RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 89814) From: DBREEDING To: AJMLFCO (NR) > Ken, > I'd like to include my vote(s) on OSterm. I ran it on > my CoCo and miss it now that I have the Kix\30 with > Gwindows. My friend, who is using OS9000 on his '486 > would also like to see a Gwindows port of Osterm. If you saw my post, I'm with you on this.. OSTerm became a standby with me. For my part, it doesn't even have to be for G-Windows, just text-based would suffice, although some of the menus WOULD be rather pretty with windows. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 89875 10-SEP 17:58 Applications (6809) RE: SOFTWARE (Re: Msg 89736) From: MORRISA To: DONALDS (NR) i] I FOUND ALL BUT DESKMATE3 I WOULD LIKE TO BUY THAT ONE LET ME KNOW HOW MUCH AND WHERE TO SEND THE MONEY TO. -*- 89881 10-SEP 22:40 General Information Nitros-9 version 20. From: CHARLESAM To: ALL I got my application for the latest Nitros-9 upgrade and I'm wondering if anyone here has installed it yet. If so, how is it compared to ver15/16? I'm going to send for it in any case but I'm eager to hear about the improvements. Thanx ..Charlie -*- End of Thread. -*- 89891 11-SEP 13:25 Applications (6809) RE: Database Deletion of DScan V4.0!! (Re: Msg 89743) From: 01GEN40 To: KSCALES (NR) Hi Ken, Whew!! I had to ask! I think I understand. This is like running graphical software (game) written for the CoCo 2 on the CoCo 3 where there is no color display, only image on the CoCo 3. Probably not the best analogy, but I do think I understand. Thanks! See ya. LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! -= 01GEN40 =- -*- 89893 11-SEP 13:39 Applications (6809) RE: Database Deletion of DScan V4.0!! (Re: Msg 89763) From: 01GEN40 To: EDELMAR Hi Ed, You know, I was just thinking, while reading your reply, (multitasking, if you will :-) ), if it were not for people like you, Ken, etc. people like me would have no place to get any answers to our questions. I wonder if there is this kind of support over in the IBM Compatible Forum. Oh well, see ya. Oh yeah, thanks for the input, you and Ken have cleared up my confusion (sp). LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! -= 01GEN40 =- -*- End of Thread. -*- 89895 11-SEP 14:03 General Information RE: OS9UG (Re: Msg 89769) From: 01GEN40 To: MRUPGRADE I will make it 102! Let us not start to segregate OS-9 lest it will not stand a chance in becomming competative in this MESSY-DOG World of imita- tion Windows! LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! -= 01GEN40 =- -*- 89908 12-SEP 00:54 General Information RE: OS9UG (Re: Msg 89895) From: MRUPGRADE To: 01GEN40 (NR) "Us won't" segregate OS-9. Mid Iowa & Country CoCo via The UPGRADE has always supported "The CoCo". for which or what ever you choose ot use on it. Terry Simons UPGRADE Editor -*- End of Thread. -*- 89898 11-SEP 14:20 General Information Conference Tomorrow Night From: CPERRAULT To: ALL Just another one of my friendly reminders, that tomorrow night, Monday September 12 at 10:00 pm Eastern time, we will be having our **WEEKLY**(like the sound of that ;-) ) OS-9 Late Night. It will be an Open Topic conference, so don't forget you questions,answers,comments and energy...and the $20 cover charge(kidding(g)). See Ya! >Chris< -*- 89903 11-SEP 20:46 General Information CD-i Observations From: BOISY To: ALL I went to Barnes & Noble last night to catch up on the latest CD-i info in the magazines. Computer Game Player (?) had an excellent review off CD-i 7th Guest, and Burn Cycle. 7th Guest for CD-i is being hailed the best version ever of the game. Plus in the same magazine was a column (3D0 vs. CD-i) In fact, CD-i seems to get favorable coverage in this magazine. Since owning a CD-i player, I've come to realize that it embodies everything (almost) I wanted to see in a personal OS-9 system. After all, it is easy to use. It's readily available. It has LOTS of software. And now, Philips is releasing some awesome games for this system, which is essentially an OS-9 computer in a black box. And all this neat software is running under OS-9. Perhaps that's the most fascinating thing about it. So while it suits the world to use CD-i as a game machine/movie player/educational tool, they're essentially using OS-9. In fact, the CD-i player could easily become the next personal OS-9 computer. It already has a CD-ROM drive and 2 serial ports. All it needs is mass writable storage and a keyboard (and more memory). This is an exciting opportunity here. For those of us who wanted OS-9 to be easy to use, widely available and able to compete, this is it. And the CD-i ads in the magazine are superb... really appealing to the gamers out there. Am I being too optimistic? No way. While CD-i may not ever evolve to anything more than what it is, it is certainly becoming widely known, and maybe, just maybe, Philips may decide to take it into new directions. But if not, it's still heartening to know that OS-9 is the central technology behind it. CD-i is what the MM/1 should have been, IMO. -*- 89910 12-SEP 02:29 OSK Applications download problems From: PAGAN To: ALL Has anyone else had a problem with up/downloaded files being corrupted? I just dl'ed the os9ln_8_29.lzh file using X,Y, and Z modems thru both Sprint and MCI and lha insists that all six copies have an invalid header and 'cmp' tells me they are indentical. To check that it isn't a corrupted fiel at Delphi's end, I also dled a .gz file from my workspace using 'rz' and Time Kientzle's new 'z' program and gzip tels me that both copies have "invalid compressed data--format violated"! Once again 'cmp' says all the files are identical. I've left a message to service about this but they're usually about as useful as the mammaries on a male pig. Stephen (PAGAN) -*- 89911 12-SEP 05:15 OSK Applications RE: download problems (Re: Msg 89910) From: EDELMAR To: PAGAN (NR) Stephen, I just downloaded os9ln_8_29.lzh using Tim's older 'xy'. Download was fine. Used 'lha' version 2.06 to extract. Did this on my IV. I use Sprint. Speed was 9600 baud. Do you think California Sprint/MCI nodes may be suffering because of defense cut-backs ? Ed -*- End of Thread. -*- FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit>