read new nonstop follow 92268 5-APR 23:43 General Information RE: IRQ Hack. (Re: Msg 92266) From: RANDYKWILSON To: MITHELEN Rmember that Zmodem blocks stream, and each block is a lot bigger than 1024 by the time you add headers and trailers. With that said, I must register my vote for small rx buffer sizes. The big buffers combined with the slow MM/1 display cause problems with screen pausing. With a steady high-speed data stream, when you punch the pause key (BBS, Unix login, whatever) the screen will scroll by the time the modem and driver buffers empty. Speaking of such, who is now mantaining the coco version of zmodem? I have yet-another request. :> Randy -*- 92269 6-APR 20:05 General Information RE: IRQ Hack. (Re: Msg 92256) From: DBREEDING To: MITHELEN > Hopefully Carl Krieder will have the CD problem fixed in the next version > of the driver. He does know about the problem, and believes he has a fix As I said, this seems to be something of a problem for all our sytems. I don't need it myself, but I did hear Ed Gresick mention that some of his users had complained about CD detect problems.. > I have had problems with hard disk access messing up serial comunications > (even with maxcount=2048) most notably during zmodem downloads (and > unforch, my zmodem port doesn't want to recover nicely from transmission > errors all the time, have to work on that some day). Well, from what experience I've had, I've begun to consider it to be rock-solid. So far, I haven't had any trouble with it. I went in and modified my driver to have a 2048 buffer. It came out with only 200 bytes, and when the comm program zeroed out the xon/xoff flags, there was no automatic flow control whatsoever within the driver. I modified it to a 2048 buffer and added a crude RTS/CTS flow control, and now, (knock on wood), have no transfer error whatsoever. Seriously, I consider your rz/sz one of the most dependable term programs available to us today.. The only "gripe" might be the fact that you always have to add Therefore, I am requesting a four bit strip rather than three. AND* #$0F rather than #$07. Randy -*- 92273 6-APR 21:46 General Information RE: IRQ Hack. (Re: Msg 92272) From: MITHELEN To: RANDYKWILSON Ok... No problemo... Bug me at the Fest if I haven't posted an update by then... Who knows... I might get motavated by then and actually port the latest rz/sz code over... -- Paul -*- 92277 6-APR 23:52 General Information RE: IRQ Hack. (Re: Msg 92272) From: MITHELEN To: RANDYKWILSON I just looked at my latest code, and it does indeed look lik I already "fixed" it... Can you send me a list of your supported baud rate tables though. I think what might be happening is it assumes you are at an unsupported baud rate, and interpetes it as the LOWEST rate, instead of the highest... -*- 92313 10-APR 19:30 General Information RE: IRQ Hack. (Re: Msg 92250) From: PAUL8 To: ISC Thanks for the info on FindIRQ. `[1;33;41mPaul - visit historic Boston, we need your money `[1;33;44mHappy Sailing: Another Day Above Ground `[1;33;46mRainbow V 1.14.1 for Delphi - Registered -*- 92314 10-APR 19:30 General Information RE: IRQ Hack. (Re: Msg 92245) From: PAUL8 To: GREGL On 4-APR 01:06 GREGL said to PAUL8 } If you don't have a second printer port, you can use IRQ 5 for other } purposes. To the above, I have COM 1 on IRQ 5 and my Sound Blaster }Pro on IRQ 10. Also, IRQ 2 is routed to IRQ 9 so you might consider }them as the same interrupt. } -- Greg Greg: Thanks for the info on the IRQ's. `[1;33;41mPaul - visit historic Boston, we need your money `[1;33;44mHappy Sailing: Another Day Above Ground `[1;31;45mRainbow V 1.14.1 for Delphi - Registered -*- End of Thread. -*- 92270 6-APR 20:05 General Information RE: coco3 problems (Re: Msg 92260) From: DBREEDING To: DSRTFOX > cleaned again. This time I reinstalled them then sprayed 'em all with a > coating of WD-40 (non-conductive!). No more problems, and the WD-40 > coating should prevent most corrosion for a while! Did you spray the WD-40 on the board? I thought someone said that you shouldn't use WD-40 on or around printed circuit boards, that it would damage the board. Is this true? If it doesn't hurt a pc board, is it alright to use in on a printer's rail? I think I had sprayed the rails at one time, but had quit after being told this.. BTW.. if WD-40 is not good for a printer, what can you use safely? -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.3.2 *** -*- 92278 7-APR 01:05 General Information RE: coco3 problems (Re: Msg 92270) From: COCOKIWI To: DBREEDING no problem if used sparingly!....and should not harm pc boards..... Dennis -*- 92281 8-APR 00:04 General Information RE: coco3 problems (Re: Msg 92278) From: DSRTFOX To: DBREEDING I've used WD-40 plenty times before with no harm. It DOES contain a rather strong solvent (paint thinner), so you might not want to use it on circuit boards all the time. A little squirt now and again won't hurt anything though. -*- 92287 8-APR 16:18 General Information RE: coco3 problems (Re: Msg 92281) From: ISC To: DSRTFOX > I've used WD-40 plenty times before with no harm. It DOES contain a rather > strong solvent (paint thinner), > so you might not want to use it on circuit boards all the time. A little squirt > now and again won't hurt anything though. > > Frank, To add my 2 cents here, WD-40 IS a relatively strong solvent, but, because it also has highly evaporative qualities, its solvent action does not last long. Hence, the danger of its ruining a circuit board is minimal. What MUST be considered seriously is its flammability. Be very damn careful with soldering irons and hot components when using WD-40 or any other flammable solvents in your work! Evaporative ones also carry the risk of harmful fumes in poorly ventilated areas, so, as a second precaution, do NOT work with WD-40 or any other solvents in small, closed areas! Bill -*- 92292 8-APR 19:33 General Information RE: coco3 problems (Re: Msg 92281) From: DBREEDING To: DSRTFOX > I've used WD-40 plenty times before with no harm. It DOES contain a > rather strong solvent (paint thinner), > so you might not want to use it on circuit boards all the time. A little > squirt now and again won't hurt anything though. OK. Seems like someone recommended I didn't use it on my Multi-Pak and someone else said to not use it on a printer rail. I had used it on both before, though. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.3.2 *** -*- 92300 9-APR 08:28 General Information RE: coco3 problems (Re: Msg 92287) From: JOHNREED To: ISC > Hence, the danger of its ruining a circuit board is minimal. What MUST be > considered seriously is its flammability. Be very damn careful with soldering > irons and hot components when using WD-40 or any other flammable solvents in I once sprayed WD-40 on the brushes and commutator of an electric drill and then used it right away. ............ Mistake. .. Much excitement. Said a discouraging word. ******************************** John R. Wainwright <> <> -*- 92311 10-APR 02:08 General Information RE: coco3 problems (Re: Msg 92300) From: ISC To: JOHNREED > > Hence, the danger of its ruining a circuit board is minimal. What MUST be > > considered seriously is its flammability. Be very damn careful with > soldering > > irons and hot components when using WD-40 or any other flammable solvents > in > > > I once sprayed WD-40 on the brushes and commutator of an electric > drill and then used it right away. > > ............ Mistake. .. Much excitement. Said a discouraging word. > > ******************************** > John R. Wainwright <> <> > J.R., Your action would not have been my choice. For example, because it is also possible to douse matches in buckets of gasoline, does that mean that it is a wise or safe thing to do? What have we proven here? Just because something is possible doesn't negate the inherent danger. Sometimes luck is with you and sometimes it is not. Bill -*- 92316 10-APR 20:27 General Information RE: coco3 problems (Re: Msg 92311) From: JOHNREED To: ISC > > > > I once sprayed WD-40 on the brushes and commutator of an electric > > drill and then used it right away. > > > > ............ Mistake. .. Much excitement. Said a discouraging word. > > > > ******************************** > > John R. Wainwright <> <> > > > J.R., > > Your action would not have been my choice. For example, because it is also > possible to douse matches in buckets of gasoline, does that mean that it is a > wise or safe thing to do? What have we proven here? Just because something > is possible doesn't negate the inherent danger. Sometimes luck is with you > and sometimes it is not. > > Bill > Perhaps my post was a little too brief. The line --- > > ............ Mistake. .. Much excitement. Said a discouraging word. (Expanded) -- ".... Mistake" = the %&$* thing shot fire out of every vent on the drill body and ".... Much excitement" = scared the living daylights out of me and everyone in the immediate area. "Said a discouraging word" = It also removed some hair from the back of my hand, causing me to say words that are not normally in my working vocabulary. The intent was to AGREE with your post, and give an example of what could go wrong. BTW, I don't use WD-40 for anything anymore - not because of its flammability, its the SMELL of the stuff that I can't tolerate. ******************************** John R. Wainwright <> <> -*- 92323 11-APR 23:22 General Information RE: coco3 problems (Re: Msg 92270) From: CHYDE To: DBREEDING Just my two cents about WD-40, it is NOT a lubricant. It is intended to displace moisture and losen rust. If you want a light lubricant try 3 in 1 oil or another light machine oil. As for WD-40 preventing corrosion I have my doubts, it's made to evaporate and whether the residue will harm anything is anyone's guess. To lubricate the printer rail use a non-aerosol lubricant, these generally work better and don't contain anything extra (like propellent) . Chris -*- 92332 13-APR 20:11 General Information RE: coco3 problems (Re: Msg 92323) From: DBREEDING To: CHYDE (NR) > Just my two cents about WD-40, it is NOT a lubricant. It is intended to > displace moisture and losen rust. If you want a light lubricant try 3 in 1 > oil or another light machine oil. That's what I tried on my printer.. After the warnings, I was not sure even about 3-in-1, but put a slight amount on it.. Actually, I've been told that WD-40 draws moisture... -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 92338 14-APR 00:41 General Information RE: coco3 problems (Re: Msg 92311) From: COCOKIWI To: ISC We had a story here last week of three guys at a school fooling around with a Gopher and some highly explosive liquid....util one of em! decided to light up !!!!!!!!!!*******BOOM********!!!!!!!!!!!....The three of em! got blown out the door! 16 students slightly injured.....The gopher survived.... Dennis -*- 92341 14-APR 20:40 General Information RE: coco3 problems (Re: Msg 92260) From: NEALSTEWARD To: DSRTFOX (NR) I think you replied to the wrong person, I was explaining about the pins on the 512k board and cleaning the GIME leads. -*- End of Thread. -*- 92274 6-APR 22:33 OSK Applications RE: CD ROM (Re: Msg 92264) From: WA2EGP To: HAWKSOFT Is this the "fully beaten" version? -*- 92280 7-APR 23:56 OSK Applications RE: CD ROM (Re: Msg 92264) From: JOHNREED To: HAWKSOFT > YES, YES!!! I WILL have CDF + CDRom drive packages for sale at the 'fest! > > $50 for the CDF software (File Manager, Driver, and Descriptor) and > $200 for CDF and a Double speed NEC internal CDRom drive!!! > > Bring your wallet!!! > > Chris > > :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: Sounds great! Will bring dollars. Put my name on a package (CDROM drive and software). Nice work and great timing, Chris. ******************************** John R. Wainwright <> <> -*- 92285 8-APR 15:36 OSK Applications RE: CD ROM (Re: Msg 92274) From: HAWKSOFT To: WA2EGP > Is this the "fully beaten" version? > With sooooo many people beating on on it, I think it's the 'over-beaten' vir*** version !! Seriously, this is it!!! It's even running with an ATAPI (enhanced IDE) drive!!! Chris :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM ******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.02.00 >****************** -*- 92286 8-APR 15:36 OSK Applications RE: CD ROM (Re: Msg 92267) From: HAWKSOFT To: RANDYKWILSON > Chris, > > Is that offer (drive and driver) good for us on-fest-going people? > > Randy > Hi Randy!! If that's 'NON-fest-going', sure, I'll sell any left-overs after the show at the same price (plus shipping) to anyone that's interested. I MAY be able to get more drives at the same price, but, I can't be sure. Shall I pencil you in for one??? Chris :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM ******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.02.00 >****************** -*- 92289 8-APR 16:49 OSK Applications RE: CD ROM (Re: Msg 92286) From: RANDYKWILSON To: HAWKSOFT Yeah, Chris, put me down for a drive and driver combo out of the leftovers. Randy -*- 92296 8-APR 23:23 OSK Applications RE: CD ROM (Re: Msg 92285) From: WA2EGP To: HAWKSOFT So you have gone beyond version 11? I'm interested. Too bad I can't go to the fest. Now where was my penny collection....... -*- 92317 10-APR 21:20 OSK Applications RE: CD ROM (Re: Msg 92289) From: HAWKSOFT To: RANDYKWILSON > Yeah, Chris, put me down for a drive and driver combo out of the > leftovers. > Randy > Hi Randy! I'll see what I can do (I'll call my supplier and BEG!!!). It looks like I'm going to have a looooooog line waiting at the 'fest!! Chris :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM ******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.02.00 >****************** -*- End of Thread. -*- 92275 6-APR 22:57 General Information Win 95 bug From: JMURPHY To: CHYDE > Hear the other day that Windowz 95 has a rather nasty error that crashes the > system if you try to "multitask" more than 3 or 4 programs. Microsoft plans > to release it anyway though, providing upgrades (patches) later. The BETA has this error, and it apparently occurs only when one of the apps is MSNetwork. The release version will not have this specific error. It has already been fixed in a later beta. Unfortunately, it got fixed too late to ship to the 400,000 people who ordered the BETA preview. John Murphy -*- 92276 6-APR 23:40 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92257) From: REVWCP To: AJMLFCO (NR) Dear friends: I noticed the messages about a dropoff in traffic here in the OS9 Forum. I tend to do more nowadays in EMAIL and the Internet, but I still check out the forum when I log on with Info-Express (tm). I will always reply to any messages directed to me, or join in on any thread that I might have something to offer. However, due to the regularity with which I crash my system, ityt may sometimes take several days to get back to you. (To REVKAK--got your email and as soon as I finish uncrashing I will get back to you.) I will be at the Fest and look foreward to seeing many old freinds again and meeting new ones. I'm even hosting a Seminar this year, (in addition to conducting a Sunday Morning Service to which all are welcomed.) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: With all best wishes, :::::: 2 Kings 2:23-24 ::: :: Brother Jeremy, CSJW ::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: OS9 Users Group Treasurer :: revwcp@delphi.com :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 ::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -*- 92283 8-APR 00:48 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92276) From: WA2EGP To: REVWCP They think it is bad here. They should try some of the other SIGs. I left a question on the Mac SIG and the last time I looked, it was the last message. I bet I could gotten a faster answer if I asked it here (grin). -*- 92288 8-APR 16:18 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92283) From: ISC To: WA2EGP > They think it is bad here. They should try some of the other SIGs. I left > a question on the Mac SIG and the last time I looked, it was the last message. > I bet I could gotten a faster answer if I asked it here (grin). > What?!? I am quite confused by this post. I read the Mac SIG on Delphi every day, and it has the most messages of all of the SIGS I read - usually 25 to 50 messages a day. The OS9 SIG, on the other hand, is about 1/2 the volume of a year ago. (sadly) I fear that OS9ers, in pursuit of the more fully featured apps and high resolution graphics, are increasingly doing more "mainstream" computing. However, most of the people who have remained steadfast OS9ers have become generally more expert computer users. Thus, your statement about receiving fast, reliable answers here has the ring of truth. Bill -*- 92291 8-APR 18:37 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92257) From: JHICKLE To: 01GEN40 Just wanted to announce that i'm not 100% a traitor, because although the '386 machine gets more use than the CoCo, i ERASED all the #$*% Microlimp junk (DOS and Winders) and only use it to run Coherent. -*- 92293 8-APR 19:34 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92283) From: DBREEDING To: WA2EGP > They think it is bad here. They should try some of the other SIGs. I > left a question on the Mac SIG and the last time I looked, it was the last > message. Seems like things are kinda slow, but they're slow on my local BBS, too. Probably Spring weather. I've been going into the Mac Hardware Forum over on CI$. It's still pretty active, but come to think of it, maybe it's slowed down some, too.. I'd eliminated a few topics to get the volume down, though. > I bet I could gotten a faster answer if I asked it here (grin). Well, from what I've seen, there are some pretty sharp Mac Gurus here.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.3.2 *** -*- 92297 8-APR 23:26 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92288) From: WA2EGP To: ISC Well, I must have picked a bad week. Maybe they all went on spring break! -*- 92299 9-APR 08:28 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92291) From: JOHNREED To: JHICKLE (NR) > Just wanted to announce that i'm not 100% a traitor, because although > the '386 machine gets more use than the CoCo, i ERASED all the > #$*% Microlimp junk (DOS and Winders) and only use it to run > Coherent. > Actually, you (and I) should get SPECIAL consideration and RESPECT for running Coherent, since (Like the COCO) it is now an orphan. Too bad. CoCo types seem to have a weakness for orphans - my MM/1 was an orphan for a little while, but it got adopted. ******************************** John R. Wainwright <> <> -*- 92301 9-APR 11:38 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92219) From: 01GEN40 To: MITHELEN Hi Paul, I forgot about "spring break", that would seem to apply here. But, over the years, I have noticed a considerable drop in the number of messages. I remember sitting here for about 2 hours going through a weeks worth of messages. I do know that some people have given up on the CoCo/OS-9 completely and go on to other platforms. I remember about 3 or so years ago, there was this teenager in this forum on a daily basis. Every other message here was from him. His name was (is) Jason. I have not seen him out here for a very long time now. I do know that quite a few people also have an account on other services such as CI$. Maybe they have opted for just one service and dropped their Delphi account in favor of the other. To finish the first paragraph above, I now sit here for 20-40 minutes reading through these messages, unless I reply to some directed to me such as this one. I do not use an off-line reader to reply. Since I do not pay a long distance call I spend a lot of time on-line. Just lst week, I spent over 3 1/2 hours on the Internet alone, about 1/2 an hour here in the OS-9 Sig. "Surf the Net". I have found this term to be a very widely used one for spending time on the "Net". Every magazine or newspaper article I read or TV show I watch, about the "Net", uses this term. I would venture to say that it was probably started out here in California, knowing the general attitude out here for just being in this state. Oh well... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92302 9-APR 11:42 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92221) From: 01GEN40 To: REVKAK Hi Keith, I will most definately keep you in mind about my CoCo stuff. I have to make some time to inventory it all first. Like I said, I will not get rid of my initial equipment for sentimental reasons. Thanks for the reply... Se ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92303 9-APR 12:00 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92222) From: 01GEN40 To: PAGAN Hi Steve, "Long time no see!" Hope you are doing fine. What you said, in your message, is about the same opinion that I have. I do know of at least one person here who uses OS/2. I myself have opted for this OS since my opinion of Microsoft is a very low one. There is one thing in setting standards by which machines use an OS or software but preventing competetors from having ALL the secrets of an OS for their software to run and use the OS to its fullest potential is down right BOGUS! THIS LAST STATEMENT IS MY OPINION AND DOES NOT REFLECT THE OPINIONS OF OTHERS HERE OR ANYWHERE ELSE! Until I can afford to get OS/2, I will be using DR-DOS V6.0. I have this right now and will not have to wait to use my 486 when I finish building it. Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92304 9-APR 12:11 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92228) From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING Hi Dave, Yeah, you are probably right about losing interest in the CoCo, but, I do not plan on losing my interest in OS-9. I do plan to support the CoCo and OS-9 to the best of my abilities. I have a few unfinished projects (programs) that I do want to finish. Be- sides that, it is my responsibilty to support the files I have uploaded here on Delphi. So, I will need to stay relatively ac- tive in OS-9 for the CoCo 3. Until I started "surfin' the Net", I really had no thoughts of buying and using another machine. I find that being on the Net pretty much requires a mainstream platform to be efficient. Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92305 9-APR 12:31 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92229) From: 01GEN40 To: COCOKIWI Hi Dennis, My plans for the machine are getting it running first with the basics needed. I have an EIDE card I picked up for about $60.00 new. I have an Intel 14.4 Fax/Modem, very slightly used, $71.00. The Moden was used at work for about 6 months. When the boss told me he was dropping the project, I told him I wanted the modem. The motherboard was used and picked up from a friend. I trust him on this. Oh, $10.00 I think. No CPU or memory. I got a med- ium tower w/300w power supply, new, $55.00. I have a "cheap" keyboard, new $5.00 I can get a new 486dx2-66Mh for $166.00 and 4MB of ram for about $148.00. A new 540MB HD for about $150.00. 1.44 MB floppy for about $20-30.00. I have not looked into video real hard yet but I should be able to get it reasonably. CD-ROM, well that is not a real neccessity at this point in time. Like I said, basiic- ally I just want to get it up and running. Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92306 9-APR 12:35 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92241) From: 01GEN40 To: CHARLESAM Hi Charlie, Thanks for the review. I do like "shoot'em up" games... Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9 ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92307 9-APR 12:52 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92257) From: 01GEN40 To: AJMLFCO (NR) Hi Allen, Windoze2010 will NOT take over MY machine! I will NOT run it or even have it installed on MY machine! I had Windoze V3.1 on the 486 at work, used it primarily for the playing of games (on break of cource). I tried to install Windoze For Workgroups V3.11 on the machine and had nothing but ONE BIG HEADACHE!!! I had Novell Netware already config- ured on the machine and Windoze would not allow it to run. I DO NOT LIKE THAT!!! Needless to say, I deleted ALL remnants of Windoze off the machine. Windoze will NOT be my personal choice for an OS. Contrary to popular belief, MS-DOS is not DEAD and will NOT be DEAD for some time to come. I do not think that the industry is going to allow the extinction of a command line based OS. Allen, this is not meant to be a flame, please do not take it personally. It is just MY OPINION! Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92308 9-APR 12:59 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92291) From: 01GEN40 To: JHICKLE (NR) What is COHERENT besides the state of being aware. I do not consider anyone a traitor for migrating to another computer plat- form. Especially if they still have and or use the CoCo and OS-9. I commend... Wait a minute, the start of that last sentance got garbled, at least on my end. As I was about to say, I commend you Sir for ditching the "Microlimp" junk! Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92310 10-APR 00:40 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92304) From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40 (NR) > Until I started "surfin' the Net", I really had no thoughts of > buying and using another machine. I find that being on the Net > pretty much requires a mainstream platform to be efficient. This thing right here is what is killing us. We look around and see all the things that _can_ be done and it's often quite tempting.. I looked hard and long at my options. We _do_ have a lot of stuff to work with, but we still have a long way to go if and until we are on an equal footing on a software basis.. When it comes down to getting really fancy, we just don't have the bells and whistles - at least yet.. For instance, we have two local BBS's, both support RIP graphics. I saw it on a PC and it is really fantastic (so is http). But as far as I know, we don't have RIP capability, so are left out here. I did make my choice, I still love what I can do with my system, but, still it would be nice to be able to do all these neat things the "mainstreamers" can do.. I have thought about getting another system myself, just for those little things I cannot do, but can't see the justification in keeping two systems for that purpose.. I do feel one would be going to the one just out of habit, if nothing else. I don't blame you guys for going to the mainstream systems. I guess it is a much more practical thing to do. Chances are that I might bail out, myself sometime in the future, but I want to stay with the system as long as I can. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 92312 10-APR 09:41 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92310) From: JEJONES To: DBREEDING > When it comes down to getting really fancy, > we just don't have the bells and whistles - at least yet.. For instance, > we have two local BBS's, both support RIP graphics. I saw it on a PC and > it is really fantastic (so is http). But as far as I know, we don't have > RIP capability, so are left out here. Keep an eye open...I believe that one of the things to be added to K-Term is RIP support. I emailed David Graham a copy of the RIP spec a while back, and I hope that it's underway. Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. -*- 92320 10-APR 23:04 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92312) From: DBREEDING To: JEJONES > instance, > we have two local BBS's, both support RIP graphics. > Keep an eye open...I believe that one of the things to be added to K-Term > is RIP support. I emailed David Graham a copy of the RIP spec a while > back, and I hope that it's underway. Is RIP public domain and OK to mimic? I'd like to get this spec myself or for someone who is working on a G-Windows package.. Now, how about some HTML??? -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 92322 11-APR 06:30 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92310) From: BOISY To: DBREEDING > > Until I started "surfin' the Net", I really had no thoughts of > > buying and using another machine. I find that being on the Net > > pretty much requires a mainstream platform to be efficient. > > This thing right here is what is killing us. We look around and see all > the things that _can_ be done and it's often quite tempting.. I looked > hard and long at my options. We _do_ have a lot of stuff to work with, > but we still have a long way to go if and until we are on an equal > footing on a software basis.. When it comes down to getting really fancy, > we just don't have the bells and whistles - at least yet.. For instance, > we have two local BBS's, both support RIP graphics. I saw it on a PC and > it is really fantastic (so is http). But as far as I know, we don't have > RIP capability, so are left out here. I look at PC software from time to time to get ideas for programs and techniques on my MM/1 (LinkUp is a prime example) All of these fancy applications are possible to do under OS-9, but not all are feasible. Remeber, the PC world is using 486 and Pentium processors, while we are still using slightly outmoded 68000 and 68070 processors. The 68340 is probably the equivalent of a high end 286. We should be using 68040's if we are to keep up with the number crunching of PC'ers. > I did make my choice, I still love what I can do with my system, but, > still it would be nice to be able to do all these neat things the > "mainstreamers" can do.. I have thought about getting another system > myself, just for those little things I cannot do, but can't see the > justification in keeping two systems for that purpose.. I do feel one > would be going to the one just out of habit, if nothing else. I've found profound value in getting PC software to use on my MM/1, such as the Infocom games and various audio file packages which were meant to run under Windows. I find that reuse of these assets really justify me having my MM/1. True, binary files are totally incompatible, but when I see something running on a PC that I would like, I begin to see how feasible it would be to write such a program. If it's something I think I can do in a reasonable amount of time, I'll start the project. If we had .BMP picture viewers, that would open up a tremendous amount of assets in the PC world. Right now, Mike Haaland and I are putting finishing touches on an audio player utility that plays .wav, .iff, .au and .voc files. It even handles 16 bit audio files. Applications can actually call this program to do audio on their behalf (as the current version of LinkUp is now doing). I bought a book not too long ago called "Windows File Formats" which outlines the formats for such files as .BMP, .WAV, truetype fonts, .ICO (icons) and a whole bunch more. I haven't had time to implement ideas I've received from this book, but I think we'll find much more satisfaction with our machines if we can use assets on already existing PC systems and write the program to manipulate these assets. Just my .02. -- Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY |_ _| \ \/ / CompuServe: 74464,3005 I use... _| |_ > < Internet: boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us |_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0 OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems -*- 92325 12-APR 01:05 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92320) From: JEJONES To: DBREEDING > Is RIP public domain and OK to mimic? I'd like to get this spec myself > or for someone who is working on a G-Windows package.. Well...I forget where I downloaded it, but it was sitting there for the downloading. Public domain status, OTOH, is a different matter. Best consult the spec for details of that. > Now, how about some HTML??? That would be nice. (Expedition in another window shows that the "jargon" hypertext browser program isn't the same thing, since it counts on a separate index file. Sigh.) Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. -*- 92329 13-APR 00:16 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92305) From: COCOKIWI To: 01GEN40 (NR) Not bad!.but I would go for 8 meg if one is going to use windows..even 16 meg..with what is coming..I run a CD game that MUST have 8 meg! This is just to give you an idea.....things have changed so fast over the last two years.....a good Video board I would recomend is Cirus Logic..NICE! board. and is cheeep! Get the Extra 1 meg worth it! and it is an accelerator VL buss. board.....VL34 Vesa local bus.....costs $82.00 the ex mem..$30.00 ..1280x1024...16 colors.... uses a cl-gd5426 cirus logic acc chip in it..and is true color! should handle what you want!if the Mother board is a VL board!! that is... The best Video boards with VRAM down to EDRAM that is faster than DRAM...but cheaper than VRAM.....A VRAM board will run $500...EDRAM...$399.00 DRAM...$60 to $250....... I have the NG Tech CD-ROM NG=Next Gen..... from Capt D McMillan.....Starship Kiwi....stardate $5678.565 -*- 92331 13-APR 20:10 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92322) From: DBREEDING To: BOISY > I look at PC software from time to time to get ideas for programs and > techniques on my MM/1 (LinkUp is a prime example) All of these fancy > applications are possible to do under OS-9, but not all are feasible. I think this is a good technique to follow. > Remeber, the PC world is using 486 and Pentium processors, while we are > still using slightly outmoded 68000 and 68070 processors. The 68340 is > probably the equivalent of a high end 286. We should be using 68040's > if we are to keep up with the number crunching of PC'ers. Right. We are not "state-of-the-art" in CPU's. Of course I realize why, and it's because the market does not justify the hardware changes for our providers. > I've found profound value in getting PC software to use on my MM/1, > but when I see something running on a PC that I would like, I begin to > see how feasible it would be to write such a program. If it's something > I think I can do in a reasonable amount of time, I'll start the project. This is what we need to do more of. I had intended to try to accomplish some of this stuff, but it seems I'm not making much progress... I seem to be running in circles trying to figure out what I want to tackle first > I bought a book not too long ago called "Windows File Formats" which > outlines the formats for such files as .BMP, .WAV, truetype fonts, > .ICO (icons) and a whole bunch more. I haven't had time to implement > ideas I've received from this book, but I think we'll find much more > satisfaction with our machines if we can use assets on already existing > PC systems and write the program to manipulate these assets. Exactly.. What I want to see more than anything is the ability to blend in with the existing world.. We can go our own route in many things, but I think the main thing we need is the ability to blend utilize what already exists.. IMO, if one could read in a WordPerfect file he was working on at work and edit it (possible copyright problems here, but just an example), then this would give us opportunity to recommend an OS9 System. As I stated in a recent message, right now, I think a critical niche that needs addressing is Internet access - that is WWW compatibility, etc. I believe this aspect alone is causing many of our users to drift away and adopt PC's. And let's face it. Regardless of what we think of the systems, once someone gets one of them and starts using it, there will be no need to come back to the coco (I think these are the main ones who are giving up). Most think they will keep working on the coco, but aside from reasons based on nostalgia more than anything else, there are none. Most will end up letting their cocos sit or finally selling them off. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 92333 13-APR 20:11 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92325) From: DBREEDING To: JEJONES > > Is RIP public domain and OK to mimic? I'd like to get this spec myself > > or for someone who is working on a G-Windows package.. > > Well...I forget where I downloaded it, but it was sitting there for the > downloading. Public domain status, OTOH, is a different matter. Best > consult the spec for details of that. OK.. If you remember where you found it, give me a shout. I'd like to see how it works.. I wonder, when using RIP, does it send the actual pictures and all or does it send codes to cause graphics that are resident on the user's system to be displayed? If I understand correctly, HTTP basically tells the computer to show something (or display a text) that it already has, and the actual data is not being transmitted. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 92335 13-APR 21:50 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92329) From: ISC To: COCOKIWI > Not bad!.but I would go for 8 meg if one is going to use windows..even > 16 meg..with what is coming..I run a CD game that MUST have 8 meg! > This is just to give you an idea.....things have changed so fast over the last > two years.....a good Video board I would recomend is Cirus Logic..NICE! board. > and is cheeep! Get the Extra 1 meg worth it! and it is an accelerator VL buss. > board.....VL34 Vesa local bus.....costs $82.00 the ex mem..$30.00 > ..1280x1024...16 colors.... > uses a cl-gd5426 cirus logic acc chip in it..and is true color! should handle > what you want!if the Mother board is a VL board!! that is... > The best Video boards with VRAM down to EDRAM that is faster than > DRAM...but cheaper than VRAM.....A VRAM board will run $500...EDRAM...$399.00 > DRAM...$60 to $250....... > I have the NG Tech CD-ROM NG=Next Gen..... > from Capt D McMillan.....Starship Kiwi....stardate $5678.565 > To add 2 cents, if you plan to use OS/2 Warp, make sure it supports the video board you use. This is OS/2 Warp's biggest failing. It does not recognize all video boards and does not work with others. Bill -*- 92337 14-APR 00:29 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92335) From: COCOKIWI To: ISC NO! I don,t,But I just spent $27.00 for a pre release copy of WIN-95.... ...Dennis -*- 92339 14-APR 01:52 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92335) From: MITHELEN To: ISC Ya.. or at least make sure the vender of the video board you have has drivers for OS/2... That is how it worked out with my #9 GXE 64 Pro. I downloaded the OS/2 drivers from #9's support BBS... -- Paul -*- End of Thread. -*- 92279 7-APR 07:48 General Information RE: SCSI Hard Drives (Re: Msg 92233) From: LMCCLURE To: DSRTFOX According to the SCSI.FAQ posted in the SCSI newsgroup on Usenet: Parity is always ENABLED on the CP3200,CP30060,CP30080,CP30100, CP 30200, CP 3500, CP 3360, CP 30540 and CP 31370. For the CP 340, jumper E-1 to disable parity. All other models, jumper E-4 to disable parity. It appears your CP3040 would fall under the "all other models" category. Hope this helps. -*- 92282 8-APR 00:06 General Information RE: SCSI Hard Drives (Re: Msg 92279) From: DSRTFOX To: LMCCLURE Sure does help! Thanks! -*- End of Thread. -*- 92284 8-APR 12:48 General Information RE: Burke & Burke (Re: Msg 92254) From: MICHAELJN To: RANDYKWILSON Thanks! I'll try the /ent command. I wasn't aware of that command. -*- 92318 10-APR 22:13 General Information RE: Burke & Burke (Re: Msg 92235) From: SMITHBA To: MICHAELJN MICHAEL, i DON'T REMEMBER CHRIS BURKE'S NUMBER, BUT i CAN TELL YOU HOW i GOT IT. i LOOKED UP AN OLD ADD FOR B&B IN RAINBOW , BUT THAT WAS B&B AND OUT OF ORDER BUT HE RAN IT OUT OF HIS HOUSE, SO THE AREA CODE WAS THE SAME. HIS ADDRESS IS/WAS IN MAPPLE VALLEY, WA. SO I CALLED 1-206-555-1212 FOR INFORMATION AROUND MAPPLE VALLEY. I ASKED FOR CHRIS BURKE OR CHRIS AND TRISH BURKE. THEY DON'T LIVE IN MAPPLE VALLEY, BUT THE SAME OPPERATOR WILL FIND THEIR NEW TOWN WHICH IS CLOSE BY. ITS BEST TO TELL THE OPPERATOR ITS CLOSE TO MAPPLE VALLEY AND LET HER LOOK. P.S. IT IS THERE HOME NUMBER SO PLEASE BY WHEN YOU CALL AND WHAT TIME YOU CALL. HOPE THAT WILL HELP, IT HELPED ME REACH HIM. ARVIOR, BRIAN SMITH -*- 92336 13-APR 22:20 General Information RE: Burke & Burke (Re: Msg 92318) From: MICHAELJN To: SMITHBA (NR) I did try calling the old phone number from Rainbow and received a recording stating that number is disconnected. I'll try the method you suggested. So far what I needed to know has been answered, somewhat. Thanks for the info! -*- End of Thread. -*- 92290 8-APR 17:01 Telecom (6809) CoNect Fast232 From: RANDYKWILSON To: ALL Hi gang, The following appeared magicly in my mail box a minute ago. rick asked me to post it in public. _________________________________________________________________ One bedroom apartments are great for single people, _unless_ they have to live with a CoCo company. So, I'm happy to announce CoNect has moved into more suitable quarters. Which had been planned for some time, but not a month before the fest! Something has to give- for now, one victim is my Delphi account. I expect to be back harrassing everybody in person soon! The reason for this post is to announce Fast232 is now shipping- we've a solid half dozen in stock, (now you know where the Delphi money went!), boards for 15 more, and no reason to stop there! I'd like to thank the folks who so generously helped us get this far. The product is impressive- look for our demo at the fest! Better yet, don't wait! Else the demo's might the the only units left;-) -ricku Rick Ulland CoNect rickuland@delphi.com 1819 North 53rd Street "Operating System Nine"-268m Wauwatosa WI 532073208 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- As a temporary, I should be able to answer most Fast232 questions, and can forword others to Rick. Randy -*- 92294 8-APR 21:12 Tutorials & Education Internet Roadmap From: JOHNBAER To: ALL For those people looking for information about the Internet, here in the database is `Roadmap' a workshop that I was subscribed to. There's two archive files there, one for OS-9 and the other for `dos' to download. The dos archive has all the files fixed for the eight dot three format with LF+CR line endings. Both were archived with `lha'. The roadmap covers mail to www, so there's something for everyone. John - -*- 92295 8-APR 21:14 General Information CD-ROM From: BOISY To: HAWKSOFT Chris, Put me down for a CD-ROM drive and CDF. Thanks. -*- 92298 8-APR 23:51 General Information Rainbow Magazines From: RICKMAC To: ALL FFRREEE!!! Well, almost - I have Rainbow Mags from 1/84 to thier sorry demise in 5/93. Would like to get rid of all of them and give them to some well deserving individual. SORRY - not going to get rid of one, two, etc. here and there. I want to get rid of all of them <- get it? :) Total weight is about 75 lbs. UPS ships for 75 cents a pound. I'm not sure what U.S. Snail Mail is. Leave me some mail if you're interested. Thanx. -*- 92309 9-APR 18:56 General Information MM1 for sale From: MRGOOD To: ALL Ive submtted n ad in the classified section here. Selling my MM1. The ad should appear in a couple of days. Hugo -*- 92315 10-APR 19:30 General Information RE: Looking for IMS info. (Re: Msg 92239) From: PAUL8 To: CHARLESAM On 3-APR 23:14 CHARLESAM said to PAUL8 } had to go out and buy a decent terminal program. Geez, the prices for }Pc an outrage. I settled on WinComm for $69.99 cause it claimed to } get me online fast. About an hour. My experience with OS-9, although }a totally different environment, has helped me in a big way. The }problems I've encountered } so far, I've overcome with a little effort and a little money, maybe }a little more then a little money. ;-) I'm still going to Chicago for }the Fest if just to hangout with the' Good People'. Back later, Charlie Charlie: I am going to the fest also. Would like to get a computer there but I can not justify buying another computer. Perhaps if the price is right. I have a 486 and CoCo 3 now, might upgrade to a Pentium. I will go to the fest, if nothing else it will be an expensive vacation but one well worth it. `[1;33;41mPaul - visit historic Boston, we need your money `[1;33;44mHappy Sailing: Another Day Above Ground `[1;35;44mRainbow V 1.14.1 for Delphi - Registered -*- 92330 13-APR 02:24 General Information RE: Looking for IMS info. (Re: Msg 92178) From: KNOT1 To: DBREEDING Yes, I definately look forward to having a nicely running MM/1 sytem. The current hold up seems to be that he is working on a new I/O board, and so I can't get a hard drive or othere stuff until he finishes that, which may not be for a while. He says I can get a new RAM card/backplane for $125 without it though, for more ram and could set up a ram drive. > RE: the C compiler.. Didn't you get a C compiler with your system? I'm not certain now, but am pretty sure they said it would be supplied along with the hard drive when they sent it, along with all the other PC floppy drivers and networking and other misc. utilities. Appearnetly easier to put it all on the hard drive and ship it as one.. It is possible I might have the C compiler, but if I do it must have been non-useful with the one working floppy I had and I never used it. I'll rumage through my floppies I got with it sometime soon and see again what all I got. If I can still find them at least. :-) - Jamie (KNOT1) - -*- 92340 14-APR 19:56 General Information RE: Looking for IMS info. (Re: Msg 92330) From: DBREEDING To: KNOT1 (NR) > Yes, I definately look forward to having a nicely running MM/1 sytem. > The current hold up seems to be that he is working on a new I/O board, > and so I can't get a hard drive Oh, a new world will open up to you with the HD.. Of course, if you have a coco and a HD, you will realize that already.. > > RE: the C compiler.. Didn't you get a C compiler with your system? > > I'm not certain now, but am pretty sure they said it would be supplied > along with the hard drive when they sent it, along with all the other > PC floppy drivers and networking and other misc. utilities. Appearnetly > easier to put it all on the hard drive and ship it as one.. You should have it on your system distribution disks.. They would be cc, o68, r68, in a CMDS dir, and some files with ".l" extension in a LIB dir. It might be a little difficult to use without a HD, though, although not impossible. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 92342 14-APR 22:50 General Information RE: Looking for IMS info. (Re: Msg 92315) From: CHARLESAM To: PAUL8 (NR) iI'll look forward to seeing you in Elgin. I'll be there saturday about noon. Regards Charlie -*- End of Thread. -*- 92319 10-APR 23:00 System Modules (6809) Hard drive help! From: DSRTFOX To: ALL an mdir as in memory, so should work! Another thing though, after running DMODE, do I have to cobbler a new boot? Tha might be the problem, but I run dmode and change specs then try a dir on the hd and still the same error! I tried entering the address of the pak with dmode also... how do you enter FF74? Dmode doesn't want to take it! Isn't that the hex number? Just minor problems... right? ;> Francis (Frank) Swygert Publisher, "the world of 68' micros" Magazine `[1;34;46mRainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Registered -*- 92321 10-APR 23:23 System Modules (6809) RE: Hard drive help! (Re: Msg 92319) From: REVKAK To: DSRTFOX Frank, I'm not sure but it looked as if your message got chopped. What is it you are trying to do? Change port address? Need more info. I will try to help if I can. Keith -*- 92326 12-APR 20:54 System Modules (6809) RE: Hard drive help! (Re: Msg 92319) From: DBREEDING To: DSRTFOX > an mdir as in memory, so should work! Another thing though, after running > DMODE, do I have to cobbler a new boot? Tha might be the problem, but I > run dmode and change specs then try a dir on the hd and still the same > error! I tried entering the address of the pak with dmode also... how do > you enter FF74? Dmode doesn't want to take it! Isn't that the hex number? > Just minor problems... right? ;> I'm not sure about whether dmode accepts changing the port address or not. Seems like maybe it won't. You might do it with modpatch. Get the offset (save it to disk and dump it, finding the Old address, whatever it is.. make a file like this. l h0 c 74 v Note: the lines need to start at left margin, and don't leave any blank lines, modpatch will abort if you do. Then cobbler a new disk, or first, I'd save the new descriptor into your MODULES directory of your configure disk or directory. Actually, I've not had pleasing results with cobbler with Level 2.. I would usually just os9gen a new boot disk. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 92327 12-APR 21:38 System Modules (6809) RE: Hard drive help! (Re: Msg 92321) From: DSRTFOX To: REVKAK My message did indeed get chopped big time! Anyway, I discovered the problem easy enough after a short phone conversation. The version of dmode I was using had been patched to accept DECIMAL numbers to make things easy... I was putting in HEX numbers without a leading $ (required for hex input on this version). So THAT was the problem! Thanks for answering anyway. Francis (Frank) Swygert Publisher, "the world of 68' micros" Magazine `[1;34;41mRainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Registered -*- 92328 12-APR 21:38 System Modules (6809) RE: Hard drive help! (Re: Msg 92326) From: DSRTFOX To: DBREEDING dmode doesn't normally change the port address, that's why the version I was using was hacked.. to change port address and to accept decimal input as well as hex! I was inputting hex without a leading $, required for hex input. Francis (Frank) Swygert Publisher, "the world of 68' micros" Magazine `[1;37;43mRainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Registered -*- End of Thread. -*- 92324 12-APR 00:05 General Information Fast232 From: REVWCP To: ALL Greetings all- This is Ricku- I've infiltrated the good Brother's account to ask your help. The problem is Fast232, or rather a demo of it. Logging in to this box from the shop (at 115.2k) looks exactly like the console, down to all the little hitches we know and love. I could print a line that says 'Supercomm 2.3' on the screen and fake it;-) Shuffling a program between ramdisks is better, but not very visual. What I'd like to do is dump a decent sized vef direct to remotes screen. Sort of a precusor to a web viewer. But time is short. If anyone has helpful comments/bits, you'll immediately become on of my favorite people! 'Posted with Fast232' -ricku Rick Ulland CoNect rickuland@delphi.com 1819 North 53rd Street "Operating System Nine"-268m Wauwatosa, WI 53208 -*- 92334 13-APR 20:11 OSK Applications Zip and Directories?? From: DBREEDING To: ALL Does anyone use "zip" much? Recently, I was zipping some files to put on a PC disk for a friend, trying to get it as close to 1.44M as possible.. In the process I got it too big and used the command "zip -d..." to delete a few files. I discovered my directory was munged. Got that straightened out.. In the process, I munged my directory a couple more times. All along, I had been using ZIP, "ZIP -d", and writing to the PC disk. So far, I don't think I have lost anything.. In one case, after deleting the ".zip" file on the HD, one little file (about 900 bytes, using 1 sector for FD and 2 for data) had lost its allocation in the bitmap.. I think that the .zip, or one of the tmp files zip had created, had walked over that file and used its allocation in the bitmap and when it was deleted, of course the sectors the little file was using were deallocated, too.. Since then, I've been experimenting on a floppy (kinda slow), but have come up with errors, often when the zip file is finished (after deleting some of its files), none of the sectors are allocated in the bitmap. It doesn't always do it.. I don't know if it has something to do with fragmentation or lack of it or what or whether something about my system is giving me trouble. I wish some of you would run some tests to see if you can duplicate the error.. It seems to occur when using "zip -d" and I've been deleting 2 files at once.. haven't worked with one or any other number. I'm wondering if zip does some "cheating" or something and do its own thing on the directory structure. I have the source code, but haven't had time to look at it. If it _is_ a problem with zip, I don't know any specifics.. What I've been doing is copy a zip I have with several files (Oh, my zip files are in PKZIP format ) and I try to have one pretty big file in it (don't know if that has any effect or not). I have gotten this error by copying the existing zip to a blank diskette then naming 2 files to delete - again I don't know if 2 is a magic number or not. I am using zip V1.0 . -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit>