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92932 2-JUL 12:10  OSK Applications
     autolf
     From: PHXKEN       To: ALL

Was told on COCOLIST that autolf.lzh was located in incoming
directory at Chestnut.
Just FTP'ed over there and there does not seem to be an
incoming directory.
Does anyone know where the OSK/COCO AUTO Line Feed LZH files
are stashed?


phxken@class68.com

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92933 2-JUL 12:22  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92896)
     From: 01GEN40      To: COCOKIWI

Hi Dennis,
  Thanks for the short history lesson on the 6809/6309 CPU
differences.  But, I do not see how this could explain all of
the crashes I have been experiencing with the 6309.  That CoCo
crashed hard when I simply tried to format a floppy disk!  In
my programming experience, I have not delved into the masking
and unmasking of bits yet.  So, that still does not explain
why a program I write would work fine most of the time and
then crash at others.  I do not think it is the fault of the
6309 either.  I think it is with some other part(s) of the
CoCo.  I had mentioned before that when I replaced the 6309
CoCo with my original 6809 CoCo, I saw a defini                 te difference
in the display on my CM-8.  It is much brighter with the 6809
CoCo.  For all I know, I could have a cold solder joint where
I installed the socket for the 6309.  All the programs I have
written and am writing work fine on this 6809!  I do not have
the proper equipment to run extensive testing on the 6309 CoCo
so it will have to sit collecting dust for a while until I
figure out what I am going to do with it.  I think I destroyed
the 6809 CPU when removing it from the motherboard.  I do not
remember what I did with it.  I may have to see if I can get
another one, replace the 6309 and see if that cures its ills.
If not, then it is beyond my current ability to persue the
problem further.  If it does, then I will get another 6309 to
see if indeed the CPU is at fault.
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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92934 2-JUL 12:38  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92897)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

Hi Dave,
  The best I ever did with the 6309 was to use PowerBoost and if
I remember right, all it did was to enhance certain things to run
better on the 6309.  I have nothing that will put the 6309 in its
native mode.  I never thought of that when I mentioned HDBackup.
I do not remember if I was using PowerBoost when I did any of the
backups.  I am sorry if I may have misled you.  My 6309 CoCo is
down for the count right now until I can determin what its pro-
blem is.  I am back to using my original 6809 CoCo which I have
had absolutely no problems with.  Talk about a trusty companion!
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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92937 2-JUL 20:24  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92933)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > .  But, I do not see how this could explain all of
 > the crashes I have been experiencing with the 6309.  That CoCo
 > crashed hard when I simply tried to format a floppy disk!
 > So, that still does not explain
 > why a program I write would work fine most of the time and
 > then crash at others.

What is the language of the programs?  Crashing one time and not
crashing the next sounds like what sometimes happens if you have a
jumptable in C and didn't get it initialized.

If you are using Powerboost and B09, I read somewhere that B09 "cheats"
on some of its interrupt routines, I believe, and this is incompatible
with Powerboost.  I know I have gotten some squirrelly happenings, crashes,
I believe, at times, when I hit the BREAK key in B09.  This is running
PBoost in native mode.  I don't think it should cause a problem if
you were running in 6809 mode, though..  This could be the answer to
the fact that crashing is not regular.. Do you run part-time in native
and others in 6809 mode?

 >  I had mentioned before that when I replaced the 6309
 > CoCo with my original 6809 CoCo, I saw a defini                 te
 > difference in the display on my CM-8.  It is much brighter with the 6809
 > CoCo.

That's a little strange.  Most said they saw an improvement.  I can't
say I could tell any difference in mine, but it wasn't bad to start with.

 >  For all I know, I could have a cold solder joint where
 > I installed the socket for the 6309.  All the programs I have
 > written and am writing work fine on this 6809!

 > figure out what I am going to do with it.  I think I destroyed
 > the 6809 CPU when removing it from the motherboard.

You ought to see what a mess I made of mine.  I completely destroyed some
of the traces.  I think on 2 or 3, I had to use some wirewrap wire and
make new traces.  I didn't expect it to ever work again, but I didn't
seem to have any troubles with it.  You might take the coco apart and
examine all traces very closely and see if any are damaged.

 >  I do not
 > remember what I did with it.  I may have to see if I can get
 > another one, replace the 6309 and see if that cures its ills.

That might be a good idea.  a 6809 is only about $5 and it would
be a good place to start.  I suspect a damaged trace, though.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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92938 2-JUL 20:24  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92934)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > Hi Dave,
 > The best I ever did with the 6309 was to use PowerBoost and if
 > I remember right, all it did was to enhance certain things to run
 > better on the 6309.  I have nothing that will put the 6309 in its
 > native mode.

There were two sets of stuff that came with powerboost.  One set just
optimized the programs to use some of the 6309 codes.  The other put
the 6309 in native mode.  To do native mode, you had to run this one
program on stock modules.  It worked something like ipatch, I suppose.
What I did was to create a seperate directory with all stock modules
and worked on them.  I then created a new boot disk with those modules.

 > I do not remember if I was using PowerBoost when I did any of the
 > backups.  I am sorry if I may have misled you.

Oh, don't worry about that.  It's hard to remember what you did some
time ago.. at least it is for me...

 > My 6309 CoCo is
 > down for the count right now until I can determin what its pro-
 > blem is.  I am back to using my original 6809 CoCo which I have
 > had absolutely no problems with.  Talk about a trusty companion!

Yeah, I know..  When I finally got to upgrading mine, I went out and
found me a second system..  Didn't want to butcher up my one and only
.. <G>

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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92941 3-JUL 00:04  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92933)
     From: WDTV5        To: 01GEN40

Hi Gene; One possibility that might have an effect depending on the 1773
in your controller, is that at least in my machine, there are some
glitches in a couple of the 6309 address lines that are not in the 6809.
These glitches are quite near the leading edge of the eclock, and for
those devices that latch data on the trailing edge, no problem. However,
edge triggered devices might see those and miss-behave. Its a 6309 problem
that seems to vary from chip to chip. I have a 63C09 here that does, and
I put a 63B09 in Karl Swishers machine that didn't do it near as obviously,
nor on the same address lines! I'm not saying thats it, but its food for
thought, the kind that will have you dragging the scope over to the coco
to check. BTW, my 63C09, glitches and all, is the most stable device
here! In other words, my amiga crashes 10 times for once on the coco.
And AmigaDos 3.1 is in fact pretty stable. I also have some extra gating
in my mpi that may protect the 1773 from them too, but it wasn't intended
that way, just happened when looking for something else.
Cheers Gene, Gene

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92942 3-JUL 04:20  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92933)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: 01GEN40

the difference's between CPU,s should NOT have any affect on the display
at ALL.......strange one!......I would suspect a timing problem there
somewhere.....
Denniss

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92943 3-JUL 17:31  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92933)
     From: JEJONES      To: 01GEN40

 > ....I do not think it is the fault of the
 > 6309 either.  I think it is with some other part(s) of the
 > CoCo.  I had mentioned before that when I replaced the 6309
 > CoCo with my original 6809 CoCo, I saw a definite difference
 > in the display on my CM-8.  It is much brighter with the 6809
 > CoCo.

I'm not a hardware person, but I'd agree, there's something other
than the CPU change going on.  That sounds like something to do
with the GIME.  Good luck tracking down whatever the problem is.

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

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92962 9-JUL 12:10  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92937)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

Hi Dave,
  When I started learning to program, I started with RS Basic.  After
getting OS-9, I moved up to Basic09.  I stayed with it for a while
so I could gain a good feel for writing programs.  I decided
that I wanted my programs to be "stand alone" and not have the need
for an interpreter.  I moved on to "C".  I have been using "C"
since about 1991.  DScan, in the database here, is my first and
foremost major project done in "C".  I am quite proud of the
utility and plan to keep working with it as I learn to do bigger and
better things in "C".  DScan is by far, NOT complete!  But, in its
present state, it is very useful and informative.
  The PowerBoost that I have, which was the first out for the 6309,
had no ability to put the 6309 into its native mode, not to my
knowledge anyway.  Like I said, I have not used it for a number
of years now.  The 6309 has ALWAYS run in 6809 mode.
  I am most positive that the problem I am having with the 6309
CoCo is a hardware problem and not software related whatsoever.
I will persue the problem as time permits, or maybe I may just
stick with this trusty ol' 6809 CoCo I got for Christmas in 1988.
I used to read about all the various problems that people were
having with their CoCo 3 computer, one of which comes to mind at
this time, the infamous "sparlies" on the screen such as with a
disk access.  I have never had any of the problems that were re-
ported with this CoCo 3.  I would have to say that if there
were such a thing as a "perfect" CoCo 3, it would have to be
this one.
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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92963 9-JUL 12:18  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92938)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

Hello again...
  I have 4 CoCo 3s.  This one, that I am on at this minute, is the
original I got in 1988.  There is more info in a different message
I left for you here, so I will not re-hash everthing again.  As
a matter of fact, I have a red heart sticker that I applied the this
CoCos case top about 4 years ago.  Maybe that is why she is so trust-
worthy and gives me no problems.  She knows I love here!
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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92965 9-JUL 12:39  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92941)
     From: 01GEN40      To: WDTV5

Hello Gene,
  If you are talking about my floppy controller, when you mention
the 1773?, my controller is a dual ROM J & R, I think.  I can-
not see the cover because of my B&B HD controller.  My MPI is one of
the older, large case (white), units.  It has a socket for the PAL
with the upgrade installed.  I strapped all pins #8.
  My 6309 CoCo has the 63B09 installed in it.  My plan of action is
to pull the 6309 and heat up the socket pin to make sure I do not
have a cold solder joint and then put a 6809 back into it and see
what that does.  If everything works fine after about a month of use,
I will replace the 6809 for the 6309 and use it again to see if
any problems occur.  If there are none then I can attribute the pro-
blems to a cold solder joint.  If I do start having problems again,
then it is time to get a new 6309.
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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92966 9-JUL 12:42  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92942)
     From: 01GEN40      To: COCOKIWI


>I would suspect a timing problem...

  Thanks for the note, Dennis.  I will keep this in mind.
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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92968 9-JUL 19:55  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92962)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > When I started learning to program, I started with RS Basic.  After
 > getting OS-9, I moved up to Basic09.  I stayed with it for a while
 > so I could gain a good feel for writing programs.  I decided
 > that I wanted my programs to be "stand alone" and not have the need
 > for an interpreter.  I moved on to "C".

That is about the same route I took..  I did go to assembly between Basic
and C, but now, I'm pretty much into "C".  I didn't even get Basic
with my OSK machine.  I would have liked to have ported a few of my
coco programs to OSK, but decided that since everyone would need the
interpreter, would steer clear of Basic.  I have ported most of my
more important stuff over to "C".

 >  DScan, in the database here, is my first and
 > foremost major project done in "C".  I am quite proud of the
 > utility and plan to keep working with it as I learn to do bigger and
 > better things in "C".  DScan is by far, NOT complete!  But, in its
 > present state, it is very useful and informative.

Heh-heh... Is _any_ program ever complete?  You think you have it just
where you want it and then, almost immediately, you suddenly think,
"Wouldn't it be nice if it would... "

 > The PowerBoost that I have, which was the first out for the 6309,
 > had no ability to put the 6309 into its native mode, not to my
 > knowledge anyway.

I didn't realize they put out a version that did not support native
mode.  I can't even remember when I got my copy.  It seems it had
been out a year or two.

 > I used to read about all the various problems that people were
 > having with their CoCo 3 computer, one of which comes to mind at
 > this time, the infamous "sparlies" on the screen such as with a
 > disk access.  I have never had any of the problems that were re-
 > ported with this CoCo 3.

I must say that I never came across many of the problems that others
have reported.  Did get the BLOB a time or two.  My first CoCo 3
was probably one of the first ones made.  I remember that on the
same day I received my issue of Rainbow announcing the Coco 3, I
went straight to my R-S dealer and put in an order.  It is kind of
funny, it seems that I had just come home from visiting the RS store
that very day and had caught an ad in the new catalog about OS9
Level 2.  I know it was really a mystery what they were talking about
till I saw the Rainbow.

  I would have to say that if there
 > were such a thing as a "perfect" CoCo 3, it would have to be
 > this one.

I've had a lot of good luck with my Coco's myself.  They have been
relatively trouble-free.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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92969 9-JUL 19:56  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92963)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > I have a red heart sticker that I applied the this
 > CoCos case top about 4 years ago.  Maybe that is why she is so trust-
 > worthy and gives me no problems.  She knows I love here!

Nothing like a little TLC, is there <G>...

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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92970 9-JUL 19:56  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92965)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > If you are talking about my floppy controller, when you mention
 > the 1773?, my controller is a dual ROM J & R, I think.  I can-
 > not see the cover because of my B&B HD controller.  My MPI is one of
 > the older, large case (white), units.  It has a socket for the PAL
 > with the upgrade installed.  I strapped all pins #8.

In thinking back about this thread, I might ought to mention one thing
I came across.

I have a Disto controller, SC-II with 4-in-1.  However, I had installed
my Multi-Pak so I could use my RS-232 pak, since the Disto serial port
did not support RTS/CTS.  I found I was having trouble writing PC disks
with PCDos.  Then I discovered I could not format a floppy, either.
I tried cleaning my contacts but no luck.  I first thought it was due
to my Floppy driver, since it depends on IRQ's for floppy I/O, but it
would not work with the PC-Dos driver either, and that boot disk was
strictly non-6309.  But removing the MPI permitted both operations to
proceed.  I never pursued the problem further.  I just eliminated the
MPI, since I don't depend on it for telecom any more.

Perhaps your MPI could be doing something in your case, too?

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93061 18-JUL 22:29 General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92968)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

Hi Dave,
  This is going to have to be short since I do not have much
time to be out here tonight, Tuesday July 18.  I normally
log in on Sunday mornings but this past Sunday I went to the
S.D. User Group meeting.
  The only real problems that I have had was with the "bugs"
in OS-9 L2.  After getting new versions and patches out here
I was able to get the OS to perform smoothly.  But, since my
last HD crash I have had to rebuild my boot and find that I
am having some of those problems again.  I get lost and/or
garbaged characters in the forum messages, I lose my cursor
after leaving Mail and the Internet, etc.  All I have to do
is try to remember what I did before.  Since I have all the
patches and new versions archived on floppies I should have
only minor problems in ironing this out.  Oh well...
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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93062 18-JUL 22:41 General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92970)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

Hello again,

 >Perhaps your MPI could be doing something in your case, too?

  I agree that the posibility is there that the MPI could be at
fault.  But, I was using it with my 6809 CoCo long before I ever
decided to go with a 6309.  I had no problems hardware wise that
I can remember.  Like I said earlier, this CoCo has been more
than trustworthy.  Come to think of it, the only hardware pro-
blems that I really have had were my HDs dieing on me left and
right.  Maybe someone (Tony D.) can invent an IDE interface to
the CoCo.  Then I can just buy a new one and not worry about it
for about 5 years or so!
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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End of Thread.

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92935 2-JUL 12:58  General Information
     RE: Chopped-up Threads?!?! (Re: Msg 92898)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

Hi again,
  The last time I was on the Internet, April, I spent over 6 hours
online!  That month I finally went over my 20 hours on Delphi.   I
think it is well worth the few extra bucks I paid to Delphi.  Es-
pecially when there are no long distant phone charges involved.  I
do not think I could have afforded it had I not had a local Sprint-
net access number for Delphi.
  I am not an active partisipant in the Star Trek group, I just
read it.  I wonder if there is a term above AVID!  I have a uniform
that I assembled which I where when I go to each Convention.  I go
as a Vulcan Starfleet Commander, ears and all.  My mother has
claimed the rank of Captain and I cannot out rank my mother!  She
goes as a human female so that would put me in the same catagory
as Spock.  Trouble is, I do not know who my Vulcan father would be!
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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92939 2-JUL 20:24  General Information
     RE: Chopped-up Threads?!?! (Re: Msg 92935)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > The last time I was on the Internet, April, I spent over 6 hours
 > online!

6 hours... That just makes my hip pocket hurt   :-(

 > That month I finally went over my 20 hours on Delphi.   I
 > think it is well worth the few extra bucks I paid to Delphi.  Es-
 > pecially when there are no long distant phone charges involved.  I
 > do not think I could have afforded it had I not had a local Sprint-
 > net access number for Delphi.

Tell me about it!  I simply lust after a local dial-up number.  I think
I've already mentioned that I live in a very small rural area.  We
have just gotten a local newsreader service, and rumor has it that
our telephone co. is supposed to get an internet link here sometime
this summer.  I don't know the nature of it, but if I can TELNET to
Delphi and CI$, that will help me a lot and maybe allow me to increase
my online time..  I just sit and cringe when I get into a huge
download.  I venture out into a few forums on occasion, but I still
try to keep an eye on my time.

 > I am not an active partisipant in the Star Trek group, I just
 > read it.

So far, all I've done with the newsgroups is to just lurk.  On occasion,
if someone asks something that I might be able to help at, I'll just
go into email and send them a note.  I really should reply within the
newsgroup so others might not bother to send the same info, but I haven't
made that step yet.. <G>

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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92964 9-JUL 12:22  General Information
     RE: Chopped-up Threads?!?! (Re: Msg 92939)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING



BIG Ear to Ear <GRIN>!

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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93019 16-JUL 18:45 General Information
     RE: Chopped-up Threads?!?! (Re: Msg 92831)
     From: GREGL        To: EDELMAR

From what I have been able to gather so far, Netcom uses the TCP/IP protocol
with either SLIP or PPP via modem. From what I recall, the NetCruiser software
works only with Netcom and I don't know if you can use more "standard" software
with Netcom or not. Best ask them about that.

I'm somewhat surprised there isn't an Internet service provider within
Delaware that uses standard SLIP/PPP software. Speaking of which, has anyone
written networking software based around SLIP/PPP for OS-9/6000 or OS-9000
yet?

        -- Greg

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End of Thread.

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92936 2-JUL 13:05  General Information
     RE: Visability (Re: Msg 92907)
     From: 01GEN40      To: THETAURUS

Hi Chris,

  >>In that case let me remove all toasters and blow dryers from the
    area<grin>.<<

ZZZZTT  ZZZTT ZZZTTT...   Ah dang, I knew I should not have turned
on that fan! :(
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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92940 2-JUL 23:18  OSK Applications
     RE: OSK C Bug (Re: Msg 92931)
     From: NIMITZ       To: WRHAMBLEN

Bud, how is this usually manifested?  For those of us who port code and
usually don't read it first!  ;)

David


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92945 3-JUL 20:19  OSK Applications
     RE: OSK C Bug (Re: Msg 92940)
     From: WRHAMBLEN    To: NIMITZ

David,

Porting code without reading it is exactly how I found this! :o

I was fooling with the enormous GNU P2C pascal-to-C translator and
had some funny looking strings appear in the output.

Here's one place that caused trouble in the file trans.c:

#ifdef OSK
    if (useAnyptrMacros)
        charname = "Char";
    else if (unsignedchar == 1)
        charname = ucharname;
    else if (unsignedchar == 0)
        charname = scharname;
    else
        charname = "char";
#else /* Nuxi */
    charname = (useAnyptrMacros) ? "Char" :
               (unsignedchar == 1) ? ucharname :
               (unsignedchar == 0) ? scharname : "char";
#endif

I was using the -k0CL cc command line option for code references over
32K away.  GNU software runs big and the p2c binary is over half a meg.

Bud

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End of Thread.

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92946 4-JUL 14:21  General Information
     KWindows window format
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: ALL

Hi All,
        Been trying to figure out the native (DSNAP) format of a saved
to disk KWindows window. Have used Joel's demosnap to save the screen
and then dumped it to examine it. Looks like the first $3C bytes are a
header and I would guess that 16 of them (its a TYPE 0 screen) are the
palettes. Anyone know what the bytes in this header represent? Thanks!

Bests
---TedJaeger

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92951 6-JUL 23:00  General Information
     RE: KWindows window format (Re: Msg 92946)
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: TEDJAEGER


 > Been trying to figure out the native (DSNAP) format of a saved
 > to disk KWindows window. Have used Joel's demosnap to save the screen
 > and then dumped it to examine it. Looks like the first $3C bytes are a
 > header and I would guess that 16 of them (its a TYPE 0 screen) are the
 > palettes. Anyone know what the bytes in this header represent? Thanks!
 >
 > Bests
 > ---TedJaeger

 OK, I'm talking to myself but have learned a bit. Takes 48 bytes (3 per
 palette) to encode the palettes. They are offset $0a to $39. I also
 discovered SnapIt, an utility distributed with the MM1 upgrade to
 OSK version 2.4. It works like demosnap except it does not do any
 compression. This makes it handier if your purposes are simply to
 display a KWindows screen so that additional software may grab a
 section of the screen and save it into a disk file in a format for
 loading into a buffer for future PUTing on a graphics screen. Yup,
 that's what I'm doing! Good luck

Bests
---TedJaeger

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92976 11-JUL 01:38 General Information
     RE: KWindows window format (Re: Msg 92951)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: TEDJAEGER

Ted,

 > > Been trying to figure out the native (DSNAP) format of a saved
 > > to disk KWindows window. Have used Joel's demosnap to save the screen
 > ...
 > OK, I'm talking to myself but have learned a bit. Takes 48 bytes (3 per
 > palette) to encode the palettes. They are offset $0a to $39. I also
 > discovered SnapIt, an utility distributed with the MM1 upgrade to

Sorry I didn't pick up on this thread earlier.  Let me know if you want
me to post demosnap's format.  I may also have a utility which lets you
save a portion of the screen (you use the mouse to rubber-band off an
area you want saved).  I can dig it up if you need it.

  -- Joel.


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92979 12-JUL 21:00 General Information
     RE: KWindows window format (Re: Msg 92976)
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: JOELHEGBERG


 > > > Been trying to figure out the native (DSNAP) format of a saved
 > > > to disk KWindows window. Have used Joel's demosnap to save the
 > screen > ...
 > > OK, I'm talking to myself but have learned a bit. Takes 48 bytes (3
 > per > palette) to encode the palettes. They are offset $0a to $39. I
 > also > discovered SnapIt, an utility distributed with the MM1 upgrade to
 >
 > Sorry I didn't pick up on this thread earlier.  Let me know if you want
 > me to post demosnap's format.  I may also have a utility which lets you
 > save a portion of the screen (you use the mouse to rubber-band off an
 > area you want saved).  I can dig it up if you need it.
 >
Hi Joel,
        Yes, I sure would like the scoop on demosnap's format. Here is
what I'm up to. I wrote a little game called SLIDER that is a knock off
of that old hand-held game that had a wooden frame with a 3X3 matrix
of numbered blocks within. One cell was empty and you had to move the 8
other numbered blocks around to get them in proper numeric order. Got it
all working and then realized that it would be nicer if I could put a
graphic in the 3X3 matrix and let the player move sections of the
graphic around to get the parts of the picture in proper order. So then
I need some way to grab a section of an iff or gif or bmp image that
matches the size of the 3X3 matrix. Since the game currently runs on a
Type 0 screen, I need a way to grab a part of such a screen and save
it as a disk file that I can gpload. If your utility would do that and
you can find it, I'd appreciate a copy. In fact, the more I think
about this, the more I bleieve I should probably revise the game to
run on a Type 3 screen so I can get 256 colors in the image, no? Not
much work, I think. Thanks

Bests
---TedJaeger

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93016 16-JUL 13:20 General Information
     RE: KWindows window format (Re: Msg 92979)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: TEDJAEGER

 > Hi Joel,
 > Yes, I sure would like the scoop on demosnap's format.

Ok... DemoSnap file format:

Offset  # Bytes  Description
======  =======  ======================================================
   0        4    Header for file ("DSNP")
   4        2    Total number of horizontal bytes per line
   6        2    Vertical size (in lines)
   8        2    Number of colors (16 or 256)
  10       ??    Palette data in triplets (RGB) (size = num_colors * 3)
  ??        1    Compression byte.  ($00 for uncompressed, $01 for RLE)
  ??       ??    Image data

For uncompressed image data, the image data is exactly as it should be
stored on the screen.  In other words, if you had the memory address of
a properly sized screen, you could load the image data like this:
read(path, screen_address, bytes_per_line * vertical_size);

For RLE compressed image data, bytes are read from the file two at a
time.  The first byte is the byte to be stored on the screen, and the
second byte is the number of times the byte should be used.  This
continues until end-of-file is reached.  So, if you read in the two
bytes $3C and $05 you would write out the byte $3C five times to the
screen.

  -- Joel.


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93058 18-JUL 21:41 General Information
     RE: KWindows window format (Re: Msg 93016)
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: JOELHEGBERG

 > Offset  # Bytes  Description
 > ======  =======  ======================================================
 > 0        4    Header for file ("DSNP")
 > 4        2    Total number of horizontal bytes per line
 > 6        2    Vertical size (in lines)
 > 8        2    Number of colors (16 or 256)
 > 10       ??    Palette data in triplets (RGB) (size = num_colors * 3)
 > ??        1    Compression byte.  ($00 for uncompressed, $01 for RLE)
 > ??       ??    Image data
 >
 Thanks much for the above, Joel. I should be able to make something
 from this!

Bests
---TedJaeger

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End of Thread.

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92947 4-JUL 21:51  General Information
     IRC Conference
     From: MROWEN01     To: ALL

Thanks to everyone who supported the OS-9 IRC conference!

We had a pretty good showing for our first time and on a holiday
weekend to boot! Right now I am planning to have these twice a
month, unless popular demand calls for a weekly conference. If
you can make it to the next meeting, please join us. The next
meeting will be on Sunday 16 Jul 95 at 10PM ET (GMT -4).

Mike Rowen
VP OS-9/6809
OS-9 Users Group
mrowen01@delphi.com

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92948 6-JUL 00:44  General Information
     CDI terminal
     From: PAGAN        To: ALL

 IS there any way to connect a terminal to a CD-I  box?  The Sand
 Diego User Group has one to show off at the show this year and
 would like to be able to remotely access it.   I have no idea if it's
 possible

 Stephen Carville (PAGAN)


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92952 6-JUL 23:06  General Information
     RE: CDI terminal (Re: Msg 92948)
     From: MITHELEN     To: PAGAN

It is possible, (At least on the older, pre-pop-top models) to hook
up a terminal, and get into a "service shell"... Also,with the proper
disk, you can actually boot OS-9 and have a regular shell, with all
your familiar commands... Boisy was able to do this by makeing a CDRom
that had a copy of his MM/1 HD, and the proper boot modules for the CDi
player... Of course, you need access to a CDRom burner to do this...
--
Paul

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92953 7-JUL 06:30  General Information
     RE: CDI terminal (Re: Msg 92948)
     From: BOISY        To: PAGAN

 > IS there any way to connect a terminal to a CD-I  box?  The Sand
 > Diego User Group has one to show off at the show this year and
 > would like to be able to remotely access it.   I have no idea if it's
 > possible
 >
 > Stephen Carville (PAGAN)

Yes, there is.  I've only tried this on a Philips CD-i 220 player and
a Magnavox 910, so I don't know if it will work with the smaller
450/550 players.

You need to construct a cable to go from the 8 pin mini-DIN port on the BACK
of the CD-i player (labeled IO/2) to a 9 or 25 pin RS-232:


        Below is the pinout of the IO port, an 8-pin mini-DIN.


        Facing male 8-pin mini-DIN connector:

             (top)

            6  7 8

           3  4   5

             1  2



pin       signal     I/O
------------------------
1         nc
2         rxd         I
3         txd         O
4         nc
5         ground
6         cts         I
7         rts         O
8         +5V (200 mA max.)




        The following connections are needed to interface to a DB-25:


signal  8-pin mini-DIN             DB-25
----------------------------------------
rxd           2                      2
txd           3                      3
ground        5                      7


        Also, tie pins 6 and 7 on the 8-pin mini-DIN together.  This will
assert both CTS and RTS.


Once you have constructed the cable, hook it up to your CD-i player and
a terminal.  Hold down the space bar on the terminal while powering up
the CD-i player and you should see a diagnostics menu appear where you
can run simple tests.

With a special disk, it is even possible to call up a shell.  I have
such a disk, which is loaned out to someone right now.  Their intention
is to duplicate the behavior of the disk and possibly make copies for
sale.
--
Boisy G. Pitre__    __  __              Delphi:  BOISY
          |_   _|   \ \/ /              CompuServe:  74464,3005
I use...   _| |_     >  <               Internet:  boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us
          |_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0   OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems

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92956 7-JUL 19:39  General Information
     RE: CDI terminal (Re: Msg 92948)
     From: THETAURUS    To: PAGAN

 Stephen I am not sure if it can be done, but I would THINK it's possible,
 and if I remember correctly, this is what Boisy did recently at one of the
 fests(correct me someone). Either that or maybe he had his MM/1 hooked up to
it.
  If you find out how to do it, let us know how the show works out. I hope more
 clubs follow the example of the SD UG! This is what clubs can do to keep OS-9
 'in the light'. :-)

 See Ya

 Chris Perrault
 OS-9 Users' Group
 Sourcebook Coordinator

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End of Thread.

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92949 6-JUL 19:44  System Modules (6809)
     os9
     From: WILLIAMSON68 To: ALL

 I'm relatively new to os-9. Just a quick question. Is there a way to remove a
module & device descriptor from memory and replace it with a new mod.&dd.?
I.E. changing /h0 from a 20meg. to a 30meg. on the fly? Also, can you save a
module in mem. to a disk file? Any help would be appreciated.

(:} -Dan-


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92950 6-JUL 22:42  System Modules (6809)
     RE: os9 (Re: Msg 92949)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: WILLIAMSON68

Dan

 The answers very much depend on what version of OS9 (OSK) you are using.
For a CoCo3 running L2, no, you can not remove and replace system modules
that are in boot on the fly. Though it is not very convenient, they did have
a good reason for limiting this on L2.

 However, for your specific request, it is possible to change the a disk's
device descriptor on the fly by using dmode (available here in the DBs). The
procedure would be to make sure nothing has an open path to the disk (CHD,
CHX, etc.), deiniz the disk a bunch, dmode the paramters (tracks, heads, etc.)
then reiniz the disk. However, with some hard drive systems, this can lead
to problems. For instance, you can not directly dmode the total sector count
and park cylinder on B&B descriptors.
 If this is a permenent change, it is best to build a new boot disk.

 There should be a PD "save" command, or five, lurking in the DBs here.


   Randy

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End of Thread.

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92954 7-JUL 12:52  General Information
     RE: Help!  My computer hates me!  <Grin> (Re: Msg 92915)
     From: EDDIEKUNS    To: CCMAN (NR)

Marty Goodman would be a good person to ask about monitors.  You may
want to check in the CoCo SIG databasess to see if anyone has compiled
any info on monitors for the CoCo.  I don't know if there is any such
information compiled or not.  Good luck.

                  Eddie

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92955 7-JUL 19:20  General Information
     RE: Help!  My computer hates me!  <Grin> (Re: Msg 92915)
     From: WILLIAMSON68 To: CCMAN (NR)

 This is only a partial list, I hope it helps.
magnvox-8cm505
        8cm515
        8cm643
icm135,7622(amber),7652(green)
sony----kv1311cr
tandy---vm-4(green)
        cm8-color
n.t.c.--monochrome
  There are probably others but I don't know for sure. Good Luck.

(:} -dan-


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End of Thread.

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92957 7-JUL 23:24  General Information
     bmp viewer
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: JOELHEGBERG

Hi Joel,
        Just reporting one of my prouder moments. Used your BmpSnap to
grap a BMP image of DeskTop full of folders, etc. Then copied that file
over to my PC, used a PC utility to resize it to 640X480 pixels, and
set it up for Windows wallpaper. Since my PC boots to Windows with the
Program Manager iconified, the boot process ends on the PC with Mike's
DeskTop program in full view!!! Causes a definite double take. Thanks
for the fun!

Bests
---TedJaeger

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92977 11-JUL 01:38 General Information
     RE: bmp viewer (Re: Msg 92957)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: TEDJAEGER

Hi, Ted!

 > Just reporting one of my prouder moments. Used your BmpSnap to
 > grap a BMP image of DeskTop full of folders, etc. Then copied that file
 > over to my PC, used a PC utility to resize it to 640X480 pixels, and
 > set it up for Windows wallpaper. Since my PC boots to Windows with the
 > Program Manager iconified, the boot process ends on the PC with Mike's
 > DeskTop program in full view!!! Causes a definite double take. Thanks
 > for the fun!

Hehe, great!  Glad you were able to jazz up your PC... :)

  -- Joel.


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End of Thread.

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92958 8-JUL 00:56  General Information
     Hard to find parrif's
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: ALL

  Ok,, folks,, hava look in th CoCo side Classified,, "FOR SALE" section.
 I've just listed a bunch'uv hard oto find CoCo Parrif's.  From two
 types of Digitizers, to 1 meg RAM DRIVE,, and other stuff.
  Check it out...
    .
    (~~~~~~~~~~~~)))
    (----   -----)))
         l  l l\\\\
         l  l l~~~~   il
         l  l l       hen
         l  l l       erry  g
         \\\\\\\
          ~~~~~~~
  *   Hooked on phonics works real well   *
  *  huked on foniks, a grate wae to spel *

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92959 8-JUL 01:19  General Information
     Monitors
     From: COCOKIWI     To: PAGAN

That monitor had ONE very bad problem! as do MOST Maggot boxes,My TV being
one of them....<grin>

THE...FLYBACK transformer is a problem waiting to happen!  The solder joints
on the terminals of that are TOO large.......causing COLD solder joints!
the joint contracts and expands and gives out! ......SO! cure iss go around
the joints and re solder em!......then check the fuse on the power supply
board!....and go from there!...I have TWO of em! one is still working!
the others power supply died!.....
Dennis

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92961 9-JUL 02:20  General Information
     RE: Monitors (Re: Msg 92959)
     From: WA2EGP       To: COCOKIWI

I had to resolder mine and after working a couple of years in industry with
a wave solder machine, I think they did a crappy job on the board.  Probably
sent the boards through too fast.  Cycling of heat-cold also weakens the
solder joints, especially if they are crappy to begin with.

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92972 10-JUL 03:28 General Information
     RE: Monitors (Re: Msg 92961)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: WA2EGP

my 19" tv was the same way!<grin>..........had the EXACT same
problem!
Dennis

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92973 10-JUL 19:17 General Information
     RE: Monitors (Re: Msg 92959)
     From: JOHNREED     To: COCOKIWI

 >
 > THE...FLYBACK transformer is a problem waiting to happen!  The solder
 > joints on the terminals of that are TOO large.......causing COLD solder


 Heh, heh, as I recall, I used to try real hard to make those big
ugly solder joints on flybacks.  If you leave any sharp edges sticking
out, you can get a "corona discharge" -- little blue pinpoints on
high-voltage/high-frequency connections.  Causes an ozone odor and
interference. ((A spark being your basic all-frequency transmitter)).

 The real blame for the problem is manufacturers depending on PC-board
solder joints to hold heavy things in place.

 The instructor always said - "first make it mechanically sound -- then
solder it".  ((Wonder what he would have said about "surface mount"
components)) GRIN

 NEW RULE - "If you can drop it on the carpet and hear a `thud', it
shouldn't be held in place by solder."

JohnW

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92975 11-JUL 00:52 General Information
     RE: Monitors (Re: Msg 92973)
     From: WA2EGP       To: JOHNREED

A properly made PC board will hold "heavy" stuff in.  They should have used
those little "feedthough" holes like on multilayer computer boards.  Yank on
a lead though one of those and the board will rip before the solder connection
breaks.  A small eyelet would probably do.
>The instructor always said - "first make it mechanically sound -- then
>solder it"
You don't know how many times I cursed out someone who does that when I had to
repair some electronic equipment because of faulty wiring or failed part,
especially the old tube stuff.  Even bending the leads on a part on a PC board
makes it a pain to repair.  Thank goodness wave soldered boards do not follow
that rule.  As I said before, the problem with the Maggies are not that the
transformer is too heavy.........they just didn't solder the thing in correctly
in the factory.  Every one I've seen looks like a board full of cold solder
joints.
Something was not done right at the factory.

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92982 13-JUL 01:56 General Information
     RE: Monitors (Re: Msg 92975)
     From: WDTV5        To: WA2EGP

Maybe, I've got 2 of them here in front of me, and 4 more maggie built
commie 1084s's. Some are as high as 9 years old now without ever having
the lid lifted for anything. One only had some mechanical damage to the
din plug joints on the board brought on by our overly tight cabling run
and trying to move it with the cable plugged in. Out of those 6, none
has had an H.O.T. come loose. So lets here it for all those maggies
that are still out there plugging away without any thanks from their
owners!
Cheers, Gene

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92988 14-JUL 00:54 General Information
     RE: Monitors (Re: Msg 92982)
     From: WA2EGP       To: WDTV5

Well, I guess you were lucky.  Could have been a run of them that were bad.
Mine had the occasional blink that turned into the screen going blank for
longer and longer periods of time until it went out completely.  I opened it
up and found the soldering was real crappy on the whole board.  I guess mine
must have been made: 1. Monday, 2. Friday, 3. by a new person on the wave
solder machine (grin).  Actually what you have told me, it adds to my theory
that the failures are due to bad soldering rather than poor design.

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93035 17-JUL 01:28 General Information
     RE: Monitors (Re: Msg 92973)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: JOHNREED

Oh! Yeah!<grin>......
To talk of arcing<G> I did an alarm not so long ago!@@#$%!!!
a Dry Cleaner......Someone put TWO bricks through his two front <Large>
plate glass windows!...so I come in and put in a GlassBreak detector!
To replace the OLD tape used!,in doing so I took out some old ciruits!
....Following the tape by 1" was a "NEON tube".............
 the thing falsed! I found the tape was ARCING to the window frame.....via the
metal screws used to connect the wire to the tape! the problem was the blocks
were VERY close to the frame,removing the wire brought on the other problem!
the ARCING interfered with the GLASSBREAK....<audio>.....causing it to go off!

Now the latest! I have another alarm story!<grin> during the July 4th...
a BAR close to me got burged! they got in through a door on the side of the
building.....and trashed it some what! the place is very old!anyway! they did
not
trip the PIR/Micro in the hallway!<?????>so I talked to the guy who owns the
Bar! and put it all together!Shee! he was a customer of many years!in his late
70,s........need I say more!.....WE just installed a NEW system <FREE> to
replace his OLD 15 year old system!
I had told him HOW to use it<he tripped it a couple of times>I came out 3 times
to show him how! I had mentioned on how if he wanted he could turn on and use
the * + 0 quick arm...user setup!
he used it!!!!! WITHOUT turning it on first!..HE! must have known how it worked
..it beeps when you turn it on.and a red LED shows it armed..when you come in
there is a tone till you turn it off!......

He complained to me that he had to do his code ...TWICE...cause it BEEPED the
first time!........ARGGGG!  he never called us!NOW! he wants to sue cause
according to him it did not work!
if you arm it,anyway..it BEEPS..and the ARMED light goes on!
IT would NOT have BEEPED ....and NO led would have lighted up! NO light..no
BEEP no WORK!............
Dennis

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End of Thread.

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92960 8-JUL 17:59  General Information
     Registered Users: COCO 3 Emulator Update
     From: JMURPHY      To: ALL

XPOST from JeffV

This is a general announcement for registered users of the CoCo 3 emulator...
a new version 1.42 is now available containing a few bug fixes.  Here's the
summary:

* disks beyond 57 tracks now possible without uncontrollable .DSK size growth
* double-sided OS/9 disk format now supported in the manner previously claimed
  in the documentation (the bug that prevented it from working is fixed)
* compatibility problems with Tseng Labs SVGA chipset hopefully eliminated

*If* you can handle uuencoded .ZIPs through your email account, please email
me with your registration number and I will forward the updated package.

Please feel free to spread this post to the GEnie, Delphi, and other relevant
discussion groups.

For the information of users who cannot receive the updates by email, I am
composing a notice to go in the mail, which should go out sometime after
Rick's picnic.  With the exception of the OS/9 double-sided disk problem,
the other two bug fixes can be applied using a simple patch procedure which
will be documented in the notice.  For non-emailable users who wish to receive
the full upgrade, I'd like to ask for a small $2 S&H fee to cover postage and
a blank disk.

- Jeff
jeffv@PHYSICS.UBC.CA


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92967 9-JUL 13:13  General Information
     Installed RAM?
     From: 01GEN40      To: ALL

Hello one and all,
  Well, I guess it is now my turn to ask for help with a pro-
gram I am currently working on.
  The program, among other things, requires getting the memory
block map.  The program is being written in "C".  I need to
have it determine the amount of RAM that is installed in any
given CoCo 3.  This way I can have the memory black buffer
array set for each amount of memory encountered.  I do not want
to have a fixed size.  I would then have to have for different
programs for the 4 different RAM sizes.
  Any help would be most appreciated.  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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92971 9-JUL 23:45  General Information
     Drawing Announcement
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: ALL

             Announcement from the:
    UPGRADE National Disk Magazine for the CoCo 3
       Supporting OS-9, RSDOS, and the CoCo 3
  From the Editor:   My concrete business, has been going full
swing.  Which means an average of working 8 to 9 hours per day, then
going out on bids, then the books,, and....  Well, you might guess
getting out a mid summer is tough from a time standpoint.   None the
less,, I have one "mostly" prepared, and would like to have it out
in a week or so.

  And even though a mid summer issue this ome will be worth the
wait!   Thanks to: Bill Condie  A long standing a highly supportive
member.  Bill has donated equipment which will be drawn for.  And
the winners to be announced in the next  UPGRADE issue # 35.
  Winners will be drawn from our paid membership for:

  1 Serial to paralell printer interface w/pwr supply
  1 Amber maganavox monochrome monitor
  1 Green screen monitor
  1 CoCo Cassette w/ cable
  1 CoCO MAX III With manual
  1 CoCo MAX-10  With manual
  1 RS Joystick interface
  1 CoCo Mouse
  1 RIXON R212A modem  (baud rate unknown)
  1 128K CoCo 3
  1 128K CoCo 3


  The UPGRADE Disk Magazine, 1328  48th, Des Moines, IA  50311
    US Subscription  $16.00 /year  Canada $21.00 / year includes:
   "Mid Iowa & Country CoCo" (not for profit) annual membership
                Will your name be drawn?
  Our Thanks to Bill Condie,, who continues with his membership and
support.
              Terry Simons,  UPGRADE Editor

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92974 10-JUL 21:58 Users Group
     OS-9 Users' Group Sourcebook
     From: THETAURUS    To: ALL


 The following is going to be the user entry for for the OS-9 Users' Group
 Sourcebook. If you haven't already sent in your submission please do so now, as

 I would like to get as many users into the database as possible before sen

 er' sending out the BBS and Industrial users forms.

 OS-9 Sourcebook Information Form
--------------------------------
  Name:
       ---------------------------------------------------------------
  Business:
           -----------------------------------------------------------
  Address:
          ------------------------------------------------------------
  City:                 State:                ZIP:
       ----------------       ---------------     --------------------
  Country:                 Telephone:(    )       -
          ----------------           ---------------------------------
  EMail Address:
                 -----------------------------------------------------


  Signature:                                      Date:     /    /
            ------------------------------------         DD   MM   YY

Would you like information on
joining the OS-9 Users Group?         o Already a Member!  o Yes  o No

Can this information be passed to OS-9 vendors?            o Yes  o No

Are you available to act as a volunteer for OS-9           o Yes  o No
projects from time to time?  This isn't a commitment.

Please indicate your area(s) of interest:

   o OS-9/6809      o OS-9/68000      o OS-9000

   o Programming    o Hardware          Other ________________________

You use OS-9 primarily for what purpose:

   o personal use   o industrial system     o both

Please describe briefly your OS-9 computer system(s):



Please describe briefly your computer and OS-9 experience:



Please describe your OS-9 interests (things you would like to see the
UG do, or see in the MOTD), or list any other questions or comments:





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92980 12-JUL 21:00 Users Group
     RE: OS-9 Users' Group Sourcebook (Re: Msg 92974)
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: THETAURUS

 > The following is going to be the user entry for for the OS-9 Users' Group
 > Sourcebook. If you haven't already sent in your submission please do so
 > now, as
 > I would like to get as many users into the database as possible before
 > sen
 > er' sending out the BBS and Industrial users forms.
 >
 Would you remind me of the address for mailing? Thanks...

Bests
---TedJaeger

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92981 12-JUL 21:33 Users Group
     RE: OS-9 Users' Group Sourcebook (Re: Msg 92980)
     From: THETAURUS    To: TEDJAEGER

 Sure can Ted.

 For US Mail to the OS-9 Users' Group:

 The OS-9 Users' Group
 6158 West 63rd Street
 Suite 109
 Chicago, Il 60638
 USA

 and for those who want to send it online, just send it to me. Thetaurus

 See ya
 Chris Perrault
 Os-9 Users' Group
 Sourcebook Coordinator

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92984 13-JUL 02:02 Users Group
     RE: OS-9 Users' Group Sourcebook (Re: Msg 92980)
     From: WDTV5        To: TEDJAEGER

Hi Ted; Here is the entry you can use for me.

 OS-9 Sourcebook Information Form
--------------------------------
  Name:Gene Heskett
       ---------------------------------------------------------------
  Business:Chief Engineer @ WDTV in Bridgeport WV
           -----------------------------------------------------------

  Address:291 Garton Avenue
          ------------------------------------------------------------
  City:Weston                 State:WV              ZIP:26452
       ----------------       ---------------     --------------------
  Country:USA              Telephone:(304)269-4295
          ----------------           ---------------------------------
  EMail Address: WDTV5@delphi.com
                 -----------------------------------------------------


  Signature:                                      Date:  07 / 11 / 95
            ------------------------------------         DD   MM   YY

Would you like information on
joining the OS-9 Users Group?         o Already a Member!  x Yes  o No

Can this information be passed to OS-9 vendors?            x Yes  o No

Are you available to act as a volunteer for OS-9           o Yes  x No
projects from time to time?  This isn't a commitment. Sorry, but at the
moment, I am involved with Alan Dekok's group doing the next upgrade
to RBF.mn, and with Wes Gail and his native mode version of the clibs.

Please indicate your area(s) of interest:

   x OS-9/6809      o OS-9/68000      o OS-9000

   x Programming    x Hardware          Other ________________________

You use OS-9 primarily for what purpose:

   o personal use   o industrial system     x both

Please describe briefly your OS-9 computer system(s):

Home system is:

2 meg CoCo3, 3 floppies, 130 meg scsi, 8cm515, 12" amber run by wp-rs in
the mpi, dual 232 pack SCII(with 4n1), WP-RS. V32.bis modem, seriel
mouse. Running nitros9, a mixture of various modules/versions as a
bootfile. All except the monitors are running on a pc power supply
so even tho the coco has 2 megs in it, I can bury it under paper
without any heating. Printer is a Oki 24 pinner.

Work office system:

CoCo3, 512k, mpi, B&B-XTRTC with 10 and 20 meg drives, 2 floppies, CM-8,
std mouse (hires), and a diablo 1650-RO printer.

Other work system:

CoCo2 with the "missing chip" acia added, 2 floppies, 5" b&w monitor
on a "video" kit. Runs os9L1, and a B09 prg I wrote that works 200%
faster, and has 20x the storage available than the $20K Grass Valley
Group "E-DISK" that it is emulating. This is the system that proves
a coco2, running os9L1, can handle com rates of 4800 baud WITH the
right hardware. The interface is packetized, but the only handshakes
are at the start and ends of a multi-kilobyte transfer. No cts/rts or
xon/xoff used! No mistakes either.


Please describe briefly your computer and OS-9 experience:

My first computer was an RCA 1802 based Super Elf. I wrote a production
(tv) related utility for it that was still being used 10+ years later.
Next a pair of Z-80 based "MicroProfessors" were made into an ATS for
an fm radio station.
Next, a TI99/4a, still have it, thinnk it still works but hasn't been
powered up in 9 years 'cause I found the coco (old grey ghost, still
have it, runs last time I checked) and os9. That was about 85, the
rest as they say, is history! I also bought an Amiga 2500 a year ago,
but use this coco3 far more than I do the Amiga. I'm working on getting
a permanent cable between them so I can use the Amiga's editors on
really big os9 proggies!

Please describe your OS-9 interests (things you would like to see the
UG do, or see in the MOTD), or list any other questions or comments:

1: More publicity of the kind the choir might not see. The choir being
        all us dedicated users that frequent the comm nets. You don't
        have to preach to us, we're converted!
2: A discussion of some of the more recent findings in the 6309 area.
        Since we are still occasionally finding new things it can do,
        like the tfr 0,r thing. Dedicate about one page hi column to
        each feature, and use them for page fillers when the adds or
        other editorial leaves some room.
3: Go electronic with MOTD like Jason Compton has with his "Amiga Report".
        He publishes on a 2-3 week schedule, lha'd its still over
        100k at times per issue. See the amiga sig here, "dat rec" for
        the latest copy. He is not very technical tho, and a new edition
        for those folks is in the first or second issue stage right now.

 Cheers, Gene

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End of Thread.

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92978 11-JUL 22:42 Programmers Den
     thanks and more questions
     From: PAGAN        To: ALL

 First I want to thank those who replies to my request fro information
 about connecting a terminal to a CDI player.  I'll relay the info to the
 SDUG.  Unfortunately I won;t be there this year but I guess they can figure
 it out for themselves :-)

 Another question: is there a "lint" program available for OS9 that doesn't
 cost and arm and a leg?

 Stephen Carville (PAGAN)

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92983 13-JUL 01:59 Programmers Den
     RE: thanks and more questions (Re: Msg 92978)
     From: WDTV5        To: PAGAN

Gee, if you are asking that question, then you haven't been using Vaughn
Cato's latest versions of ansifront with your C compiler. Actually it isn't
a lint, but it sure does a heck of a job of type checking and other things
on your codeing efforts. A true lint, no, a lot of help, yes!
Cheers, Gene

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92986 13-JUL 21:05 Programmers Den
     RE: thanks and more questions (Re: Msg 92978)
     From: JEJONES      To: PAGAN

 > Another question: is there a "lint" program available for OS9 that
 > doesn't cost and arm and a leg?

The only lint I know of for OS-9 is Gimpel Software's lint.  OTOH,
Ultra C with warnings turned on will warn you about a certain amount
of stuff.  (The only bothersome thing is that iopt gives warnings in
terms of intermediate code symbols, which can get renamed to avoid
clashes in some cases.)

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

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92987 13-JUL 23:24 Programmers Den
     RE: thanks and more questions (Re: Msg 92986)
     From: WDTV5        To: PAGAN

I too saw the adv for it from Gimple. Or Gimpel. I didn't know if the
"garded" source would be compilable on the CoCo or not, so I haven't
bother the fone company with any calls about it since it appears to
also cost at least an arm and a leg, neither of which I'm quite ready
to spare for just the love of it. I love this machine, but there ARE
monetary limits too.
Cheers, Gene

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End of Thread.

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92989 14-JUL 02:40 General Information
     RE: MM/1 for sale (Re: Msg 92985)
     From: NIMITZ       To: BOISY



I'm sorry to hear you're giving this up, Boisy.  Whats up??

David


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92990 14-JUL 02:40 General Information
     RE: MM/1 for sale (Re: Msg 92985)
     From: NIMITZ       To: BOISY


Boisy, I'm interested in much of the source code.  Wish I had the cash to
buy the system.



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End of Thread.

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92991 14-JUL 09:35 General Information
     CONFERENCE NOTICE
     From: MROWEN01     To: ALL


  POSTED: 14 Jul 95

  HAVE YOU FILLED OUT YOUR DATA SHEET FOR THE OS-9 SOURCE BOOK PROJECT?
  EMAIL FOR MORE INFORMATION:


  ///////////////////////////////
  // DELPHI CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
  ///////////////////////////////

  OS-9 Late Night Conference w/ Chris Perrault
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Monday, 17 Jul 95 - 10PM ET - Open Forum
  Monday, 24 Jul 95 - 10PM ET - VP of OS-9/6809 discusses projects &
                                gets general feedback from users.
  Monday, 31 Jul 95 - 10PM ET - Microware's David Kimble will discuss
                                D.A.V.I.D, interactive "set top"
                                technology.

  //////////////////////////////
  // GENIE CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
  //////////////////////////////

  Coco Real Time Conference
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Every Sunday - Open discussion forum  9-10PM ET


  ////////////////////////////
  // IRC CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
  ////////////////////////////

  OS-9 IRC Conference        Type  /join #os9  once inside IRC
  -----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Sunday, 16 Jul 95 - 10PM ET : Open Forum
  Sunday, 30 Jul 95 - 10PM ET : Open Forum
        

  ---------------------------- ATTENTION! --------------------------
     Are there any other on-line conferences happening out there?

   If you know of other conferences or events that are taking place on
   other on-line services (AOL,Genie,CIS, etc.) please send mail to me
   at either address listed below. I will post any information I receive.


   Mike Rowen
   VP OS-9/6809
   OS-9 Users Group
   mrowen01@delphi.com


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92992 15-JUL 00:43 General Information
     Hello!
     From: NIMITZ       To: ALL

Seems to be a bad case of summer slump here!  Pump it up!!


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92993 15-JUL 09:27 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 92992)
     From: MRGOOD       To: NIMITZ

..sweating...in...New...Jersey.

Send help!

Seriously, probably vacation and such is pulling people away from their
keyboards.  (Internet is probably at fault too).

Hugo


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92994 15-JUL 12:42 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 92992)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: NIMITZ


> Seems to be a bad case of summer slump here!  Pump it up!!

 Hummm... I don't David, it's `hot' enough here in Phila :)
With 98F Friday and going to 105F today.. we don't need to
`pump it up' <g>.

 Heck, got to go, beeper is calling me... someone's AC just
went down :(

 Later -

 John


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92995 15-JUL 14:51 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 92993)
     From: NIMITZ       To: MRGOOD


Looks like just us MM/1 users are tough enought to stick it out!!

;)



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92996 15-JUL 16:32 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 92994)
     From: JOHNREED     To: JOHNBAER

 >
 > Heck, got to go, beeper is calling me... someone's AC just
 > went down :(
 >
 > Later -
 >
 > John
 >

You too, eh.  Got a little over 100 here (Saginaw, MI) yesterday too.
It broke a record, and a bunch of air conditioners.

I don't know how hot it was on the factory roof I was on, but the
tar was not sticky - it SPLASHED when I stepped in it.  I hid under
a 100 Ton condensing unit for a while just for the shade and the
breeze coming into the fans.

BTW - if you smack that beeper hard enough with a hammer, it will
stop doing that.  ((When you find yourself coming up with ideas like
that -- its time to get off the roof)).

John Wainwright

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92998 15-JUL 17:29 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 92995)
     From: WILLIAMSON68 To: NIMITZ

ve the heat!!
But I have to agree that the heat is kinda putting a crimp in my style.
Ordinarily I would have never have responded to something as trite as your
comment, but
I'm irratible enough to at least let you (or anyone else) know about it.
(:-}{-:)--dan-- ""IT'S HOT""

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93001 15-JUL 17:48 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 92996)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: JOHNREED


> You too, eh.  Got a little over 100 here (Saginaw, MI) yesterday too.
> It broke a record, and a bunch of air conditioners.

  Yea, I here ya :)  Not to mention the low water pressure to cooling
towers do to the 'ol fire plugs on <g>.

> I don't know how hot it was on the factory roof I was on, but the
> tar was not sticky - it SPLASHED when I stepped in it. ...

  hehe - let me ask you, do they have those white rubber roofs out
your way ?  Boy, are they fun <G>.

> BTW - if you smack that beeper hard enough with a hammer, it will
> stop doing that.  ((When you find yourself coming up with ideas like
> that -- its time to get off the roof)).

  Nah - when I had enough, my beepers battery dies! Works for me <g>.

  John -


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93002 15-JUL 18:53 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 92996)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: JOHNREED


   Just got done watching the news.  We broke a record today.. 103F,
with a heat index of 129.. (and yes, my beeper is dead) :)

   This was a 29 year record.  I hope tomorrow isn't a repeat...

   Later,  John -


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93004 15-JUL 21:28 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 92998)
     From: NIMITZ       To: WILLIAMSON68


Hey, sometimes it's nice to have a relatively trite conversation.  It's not
so cool in Oklahoma either!



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93010 16-JUL 01:42 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 92995)
     From: WA2EGP       To: NIMITZ

Yep, I'm still here.  Now if I could find the time to sit in this cool basement
and do some hardware changes to mine........

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93022 16-JUL 20:25 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 92992)
     From: THETAURUS    To: NIMITZ

 >>Pump it up!!


 Now wouldn't you know it?! By day David Graham is your friendly neighborhood,
 mild mannered MM/1 salesman. By night? FITNESS GURU!  ;-)


 Btw, I have a question...Are there any plans for port Kwindows over to the
MM1/B? This would make sense, but I haven't heard anything about it.

 And those DODMA forms you published a while back in 268m, I assume your
 still taking those? I have to find the right issue and get that back to you.

 See Ya

 Chris Perrault
 OS-9 Users' Group
 Sourcebook Coordinator


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93033 17-JUL 01:18 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 93022)
     From: NIMITZ       To: THETAURUS

Thats me!  Yes, I'm still taking DODMA survey forms, and looking for
volunteers to help officer the non-profit corporation.

David


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93034 17-JUL 01:18 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 93022)
     From: NIMITZ       To: THETAURUS

I understand that Kevin Darling is currently working on a port, and Carl
Kreider has committed to having at least a KWindows filter for his software
suite.



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93036 17-JUL 01:36 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 92994)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: JOHNBAER



                        ' HOT '
                         \||/   104'
                          ||
                          ||

Dennis

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93041 17-JUL 21:27 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 93036)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: COCOKIWI


 (hehe)  Yea, that be HoT ...

 Wondering.. what part of the country you in ??

  John -


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93043 17-JUL 22:30 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 93034)
     From: THETAURUS    To: NIMITZ

 Has Kevin returned to being the sole Kwindows developer, or is he just in for
the MM/1B Port? I knew he had returned to being active with Kwindows somewhat,
bnut never knew to what extent. An OS-9000 port would be mint, if only the UG
could pull off anoth
er
 $350 deal with MW again to coincide. Ahh, well enough daydreaming<G>

 Really, I hope Kevin does get such a port finished, for the MM/1B, since if
 the machine is going to be pushed as a solid low cost entry level Developers
 machine(which is what it comes across as to me), I would think Kwindows is now
 the way to go(over MGA). It may not have a HUUUGE base, but one that is
considerably bigger than it's gui competitoright now.
 And windowing is the way to go. I personally wouldn't see the point of
upgrading
 to OSK only to stick with termcap programing<Grin>.

 Btw, I hope these machines your pumping out do go over well. My advice? Begin
 broadening the scope of your market and don't be visible in only the Coco
market(maybe you have already started this).
 By now, the coco users who haven't switched over, probably aren't in any rush
 to do so. Stay aggressive enough to let your prospective customers know you are

 here when they are ready, but also look into other places to carve a
nitch(hobbyist market, etc.) and possibly get a few $$ out of this!

 Good Luck(and hope you got my email)...
 >Chris<

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93045 18-JUL 01:36 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 93043)
     From: NIMITZ       To: THETAURUS

I'm considering some specialty areas - gaming, data acquisition with databasing
for medical applications, that sort of thing....
David

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93052 18-JUL 18:25 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 93045)
     From: THETAURUS    To: NIMITZ

 >>I'm considering some specialty areas...<<

 This sounds like a great idea, and it stays true to the OS-9 marketing
tradition of niches.

 I was mentioning to a few people, the idea of a MM/1 Unit with CD-I (MM/1-CDI)
 that could be used both as a developement system for CD-I titles as well as
 a CD-I Player. It's a possibility and would be great to see, but it would
 be for one thing, at least a slightly different hardware setup(completely
different Video hardware) than
 current MM/1 hardware setups, and the software would be vastly different. I
 would expect you would need the addition of Rave(possibly  under K-Windows)
 plus many specialty modules. If such a machine was made, I can see a market
for it, even if the price goes from $3000 on up, considering, from what I last
read, people(companies) were paying Philips something like either $6000 or even
 over $9000 for a developers kit to build CD-I titles. With this system you
 would possibly  have a bigger market, and a greater amount of software being
 written, plus the ability to run current CD-I softwre, once you had the
 major obstacles cleared(like getting it to run on  SVGA system rather than
 television).

 That's enough for dreaming... :-)

 See Ya
 >Chris<

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93063 18-JUL 22:58 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 92995)
     From: 01GEN40      To: NIMITZ


No, there is at least one CoCo 3 user out here too!

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93085 21-JUL 01:20 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 93041)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: JOHNBAER

CA!!!! Bay..AREA......by  the Delta....
sitting in my **AIR Con** Room in garage!<GRIN>..
BUT! Have to replace the FAN in the Car A/c....it DIED..yesterday!
at least it was COOL today! hopefully I,ll have a new one Monday!
darn things die around 50000 miles,without FAIL....brushes wear out!
hav,nt they herd of brushless motors?????....last one cost $110
..Remember..WHEN...YOU...could CHANGE the brushes.....10c Each!
<Sigh>
Dennis

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93089 21-JUL 20:29 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 93085)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: COCOKIWI (NR)

  Hey Dennis,

> CA!!!! Bay..AREA......by  the Delta....
> sitting in my **AIR Con** Room in garage!<GRIN>..

  Why you lucky ... <Grin>.

> BUT! Have to replace the FAN in the Car A/c....it DIED..yesterday!

 [snip]

> ..Remember..WHEN...YOU...could CHANGE the brushes.....10c Each!

  What are you trying to do,, kill the after market parts sales ? 8-)
This is what keeps this country going.  Through away and buy new,
or Rebuilt!!!  <g>.

  John -


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End of Thread.

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92997 15-JUL 17:23 General Information
     Newer version of unsit
     From: JOHNBAER     To: ALL


   Was wondering if there is a newer version of unsit around ?
The version I have that won't work with newer Mac files is:

 Header for:      UnSIT
 Module size:     $55DA       #21978
 Owner:           0.0
 Module CRC:      $D8C0E6     Good CRC
 Header parity:   $64C2       Good parity
 Edition:         $7          #7
 Ty/La At/Rev     $101        $8001
 Permission:      $555        -----e-r-e-r-e-r
 Exec off:        $4E         #78
 Data size:       $401C       #16412
 Stack size:      $C00        #3072
 Init. data off:  $5306       #21254
 Data ref. off:   $55BC       #21948
 Prog Mod, 68000 obj, Sharable

  Thanks in advance...

  John -


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92999 15-JUL 17:41 Users Group
     **** WANTED ****
     From: WOODZY       To: ALL

ANY non-IBM TRS80 System with hardware & software.  this includes all
variations of the Model I, II, III, 4, 12, 16, 2000, 6000, & CoCo.  my storage
shed was recently broken into and i lost most of my TRS80 equipment.  i've been
trying to recoup my losses,
 but it is EXPENSIVE!

WARNING:  i only work part-time at a min wage job as i am trying to put myself
through school.  so, prices MUST be negotiable and i can only afford to make
payments.

Please Snail-Mail Your List(s) To:
Cheyenne Area Orphaned Systems
c/o Jeffrey Wood  (WOODZY)
813 Covered Wagon Drive
Cheyenne, Wyoming  82007
NO PHONE CALLS, PLEASE!

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93006 15-JUL 22:35 Users Group
     RE: **** WANTED **** (Re: Msg 92999)
     From: THETAURUS    To: WOODZY

 Hi Jeff. I may have a few extra Coco items laying around that I could send
 you. I have you message with the address saved, so if I get a chance soon,
I'll ship what I have out to you.
 Take it easy, and good luck. I'm starting to put myself through college too
 down the street from where I work so writing would be unnecessary but anyway
 ....

 See Ya


 >Chris<

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93011 16-JUL 05:46 Users Group
     RE: **** WANTED **** (Re: Msg 93006)
     From: WOODZY       To: THETAURUS

THANKS!

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End of Thread.

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93000 15-JUL 17:48 General Information
     hello!
     From: WILLIAMSON68 To: NIMITZ

 Looks like delphi is suffering as well, the first part of my mess. should read
"I know of at least one 6309 coco3 user that is willing to bra.   (take it from
there).
(:-><-:)--dan--"IT'S STILL HOT"--

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93005 15-JUL 21:29 General Information
     RE: hello! (Re: Msg 93000)
     From: NIMITZ       To: WILLIAMSON68


Glad to see you here!  Hope you'll consider an MM/1B soon!

David


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93008 16-JUL 01:05 General Information
     RE: hello! (Re: Msg 93005)
     From: WILLIAMSON68 To: NIMITZ

n
take but the humid air is really more than I would wish on a goldfish. No
MM/1B is in my near future, I'm still having fun exploring the capabilities
of this 6809(6309) based machine. One day, when I've discovered all of the
possibilities and potentitial of os9 on a 6809cpu in this c
 {cheap} machine, I
MIGHT be tempted (say again MIGHT) to explore another machine. BTW I guess I
should confess that this coco3 is not your standard issue.<g>
til then--"keep the keyboard clean"-- I fed mine coffee one morning & the
darn thing really objected. Can you inagine that!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--dan--

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93020 16-JUL 20:05 General Information
     RE: hello! (Re: Msg 93008)
     From: THETAURUS    To: WILLIAMSON68

 REJECTED COFFEE IN THE MORNING?!  That keyboard's not human! <grin>

 >Chris<

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93028 17-JUL 00:55 General Information
     RE: hello! (Re: Msg 93008)
     From: NIMITZ       To: WILLIAMSON68

My MM/1B is not exactly expensive.  $445 buys the basic system (a kit
really, motherboard and software - but 68000 none the less.  And OS-9/68000
beats the heck out of 6809/6309 OS-9 anytime - based on the software
improvements and the lack of the 64K address space troubles.

David


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93038 17-JUL 19:28 General Information
     RE: hello! (Re: Msg 93028)
     From: WILLIAMSON68 To: NIMITZ

 Some time back I considered getting into MM/1b but reconsidered simply
because I've really no need for it. Our operation here is rather small &
definately not in a hurry. I've got a screwdriver here that works fine &
it's still in relatively good shape. I really don't think that it needs
replaced yet.<g>

  --dan--

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End of Thread.

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93003 15-JUL 19:10 General Information
     http
     From: PHXKEN       To: ALL

A request from a CD-i Buff.  I have a home page that I access
only with
Lynx.  I believe that I have a small gif file viewable by a
graphics browser.
Could someone with a graphics browser please check it for me!!
Your reward wil be direct Links to quite a few CD-i references
and URLs.
Try: http://www.ccn.cs.dal.ca/~ah712/Profile.html
The "P" in Profile is Upper Case.

Thank you!

$phxken@class68.com

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93007 15-JUL 23:31 OSK Applications
     MM/1 Module Upgrading
     From: KNOT1        To: ALL

Hi there.  You might recall I've been trying to get my MM/1 up to
speed.  I have pretty much all original modules (e.g., windio #17).
Well, my Coco finally passed away on the 3rd after near continious
running the good part of a decade. *sigh*  Well, I've gone and grabed
all the updates I could find in the data bases, but note many of the
files listed as supposed to be in them aren't.  In particular,
'xmode,' which the docs say I have to replace, isn't there.  Was there
some other release no longer there that used to have the 'missing'
files, or were they not actually updated so no needed?  Still on a
'personal' system, but liking to get up to speed all the same. :-)
Perhaps an 'mdir -e' might help me know if I have everything current.

Thanks!      - Jamie (KNOT1) -

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93014 16-JUL 11:49 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93007)
     From: VAXELF       To: KNOT1

 jamie,
   Contact Dave Graham - NIMITZ - here on Delphi. He should be able to get
you updated with all the newest modules and ect.

John A. Donaldson
RIBBB_MM1 Team Leader

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93017 16-JUL 13:20 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93007)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: KNOT1

Hey, Jamie... good to see you again!

 > I have pretty much all original modules (e.g., windio #17).

Wow, that's a very old windio!  Windio #54 should be available in the
database here.

  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg


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93018 16-JUL 16:15 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93017)
     From: KNOT1        To: JOELHEGBERG

Hi, Joel!  Nice to see you around still too!  I still have that
postcard from you around somewhere. :-)  Yeah, I'm still in the
same position that you knew of back long ago, even though I had
ordered my MM/1 before you had.  And right, I got that newer
windio, and tried making a boot with the newer modules here, but
it just seems to crash, so I seem to need the missing parts to
go with it.  I'll see what Dave Graham has as John suggested in
the prior message (Thanks, John!).

  - Jamie (KNOT1) -

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93027 17-JUL 00:55 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93007)
     From: NIMITZ       To: KNOT1

>Hi there.  You might recall I've been trying to get my MM/1 up to
>speed.  I have pretty much all original modules (e.g., windio #17).
>Well, my Coco finally passed away on the 3rd after near continious
>running the good part of a decade. *sigh*  Well, I've gone and grabed
>all the updates I could find in the data bases, but note many of the
>files listed as supposed to be in them aren't.  In particular,
>'xmode,' which the docs say I have to replace, isn't there.  Was there
>some other release no longer there that used to have the 'missing'
>files, or were they not actually updated so no needed?  Still on a
>'personal' system, but liking to get up to speed all the same. :-)
>Perhaps an 'mdir -e' might help me know if I have everything current.
>
>Thanks!      - Jamie (KNOT1) -
>
Jamie, the new modules are available from BlackHawk Enterprises, Inc.

There is a nominal update fee of $15 to cover disks, S/H etc.  You'll find
the latest modules much improved....

David

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93044 18-JUL 01:02 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93018)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: KNOT1

Jamie,

 > I still have that
 > postcard from you around somewhere. :-)

Heh, yeah I have the pictures you sent me.  I found lots of things when
I had to pack to move!

 > Yeah, I'm still in the
 > same position that you knew of back long ago, even though I had
 > ordered my MM/1 before you had.

And to think I was so envious... ;)  I still use my MM/1 all the time,
so once you get it running, it's a fun system!

  -- Joel.

PS: I've conquered my addition to Delphi conference as well!  I can
actually logoff when I say I'm going to (without hanging around for
an additional hour)!


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93050 18-JUL 03:46 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93044)
     From: KNOT1        To: JOELHEGBERG

PS: I've conquered my addition to Delphi conference as well!  I canactually
I'll believe it when I see it, Joel. ;-)  And thanks again to Dave
(NIMITZ) who's been quite helpful all along. *smile*

  - Jamie (KNOT1) -

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93053 18-JUL 18:27 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93044)
     From: THETAURUS    To: JOELHEGBERG

    >> PS: I've conquered my addition to Delphi conferences as well!


 This explains your **Signed Off** announcements without a single goodbye<G>.

 >Chris<

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93066 19-JUL 01:10 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93053)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: THETAURUS

 > >> PS: I've conquered my addition to Delphi conferences as well!
 >
 > This explains your **Signed Off** announcements without a single
 > goodbye<G>.

Heh, whenever that's the case, it's usually because something crashed or
SprintNet cut me off!  (Both of which happen more frequently than I'd
like to admit.)

  -- Joel.


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93069 19-JUL 19:34 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93066)
     From: THETAURUS    To: JOELHEGBERG

 Well at least I can relate to crash part. If my computer were an automobile
 either I'd be dead or the insurance would skyrocket<G>.

 See Ya
 >Chris<

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93071 19-JUL 22:37 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93066)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: JOELHEGBERG


> ... it's usually because something crashed or SprintNet cut me off!

 (hehehe) Now you know the true meaning of that Sprint commercial..
The one where you can hear a pin drop...

 John -


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93088 21-JUL 03:17 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93027)
     From: KNOT1        To: NIMITZ (NR)

Oops..  I went to send for the updates, but realized I only had
the name, BlackHawk Enterprises, Inc., and no address.  Can
anyone help with that?  Thanks!

   - Jamie (KNOT1 / internet"wilmoth@msen.com") -

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93090 21-JUL 20:29 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93088)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: KNOT1

   Try:

  Blackhawk Enterprises Inc.
  P.O. Box 10552
  Enid, OK   73706-0552

  (405) 234-2347


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93097 22-JUL 06:05 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93090)
     From: KNOT1        To: JOHNBAER (NR)

Will do, thanks!  :-)    - Jamie -

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End of Thread.

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93009 16-JUL 01:15 General Information
     hello!
     From: WILLIAMSON68 To: NIMITZ (NR) (NR)

 I seem to be, for some reason, dropping the first 46 or so characters of text
in my forum messages as well as my e-mail. Are you able to read the message in
it's entirety or am I having a problem here???
--dan-- thanx

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93029 17-JUL 00:56 General Information
     RE: hello! (Re: Msg 93009)
     From: NIMITZ       To: WLLIAMSON68 (NR)

I don't seem to have a problem reading you here...




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End of Thread.

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93012 16-JUL 10:45 OSK Applications
     RE: Tex (Re: Msg 91850)
     From: TIMKIENTZLE  To: AJMLFCO (NR)

> OK, I want to know more about your book....

   It's not nearly so comprehensive as you might think.  It covers
the basic X/Y/ZModem and Kermit in considerable detail.  The theory
chapters do cover `all of the multitudes of ways to calculate CRC's',
and complete implementations are given as well.

   One of the biggest motivations for writing it was my experience
authoring terminal programs and finding that good, accurate docs
for the common file transfer protocols was hard to come by.

   If there's enough demand to warrant a second edition, I'll try
to add others, but that's very hypothetical right now.  I've enough
other book projects to keep me busy for quite a while.

                                    - Tim

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93030 17-JUL 00:56 OSK Applications
     RE: Tex (Re: Msg 93012)
     From: NIMITZ       To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)

Once again, the title and ISBN number please??



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End of Thread.

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93013 16-JUL 10:47 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Z modem (Re: Msg 92739)
     From: TIMKIENTZLE  To: EARLCASPER (NR)

>What's the name of your new book on data transfer protocols?  - Earl

``The Working Programmer's Guide to Serial Protocols,'' Coriolis Group,
1995.  ISBN 1-883577-20-9.

                                - Tim Kientzle

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93015 16-JUL 13:15 General Information
     MM/1 fried mouse (/t2?)
     From: JEJONES      To: ALL

Well, I think I've done something stupid...

I turned off the MM/1 last night--a thunderstorm was passing through.  I
turned it back on this morning, but was less than ept, because I didn't push
the on button far enough to make it engage the first time.  Things powered
up fine once I used the switch as it was meant to be used--but now my mouse
is not responding.

Turning it off, letting it sit, and rebooting doesn't appear to help.  I
had a spare mouse and tried it, but no go.  Have I fried my mouse and /t2?
(I hope not.)  I expect that I will try hooking the mouse to /t1, xmodeing
is in.  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

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93023 16-JUL 22:33 General Information
     RE: MM/1 fried mouse (/t2?) (Re: Msg 93015)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: JEJONES


  James,

> Have I fried my mouse and /t2? (I hope not.)  I expect that I will try
> hooking the mouse to /t1, xmodeing is in.  Any advice would be greatly
> appreciated.

  It could be the 68901 chip went south.  I had something like this
happen a while ago with my 68681 chip failing..  What happened was,
I forgot to pull the phone line from the modem one night in a bad storm.

  Well, I thought the modem was fried, changed it, still no go. I also
have a second T3 board I tried and still no go.  I sub'ed the 68681
chip and all worked.  I put the other parts back, one by one, and tested
them.  Found out the only thing that blew was the 68681 chip!

  So, after you try the other port with another mouse, try replacing
that 68681.  Ya never can tell just what might go bad with lightning
and power surge's...

  John -


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93037 17-JUL 06:59 General Information
     RE: MM/1 fried mouse (/t2?) (Re: Msg 93023)
     From: JEJONES      To: JOHNBAER

Thanks for the advice--the next fun thing will be seeing whether the chip is
socketed. :-)

(NOTE for everybody: you can see that my posts get clobbered occasionally
because I forget and start a line with an absolute path name--Delphi evidently
has no "t2" command...)



Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

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93042 17-JUL 21:27 General Information
     RE: MM/1 fried mouse (/t2?) (Re: Msg 93037)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: JEJONES


> Thanks for the advice--the next fun thing will be seeing whether the chip
> is socketed. :-)

  I believe that it is socketed James.. but I haven't peaked in there
for a while 8-)

> (NOTE for everybody: you can see that my posts get clobbered occasionally
> because I forget and start a line with an absolute path name--Delphi
> evidently has no "t2" command...)

  If you mean in the Reply, try a space, then the slash.  That _should_
work.  (famous last words)...

  John -

 Windows aren't a virus... virus's _do_ something.


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93047 18-JUL 01:39 General Information
     RE: MM/1 fried mouse (/t2?) (Re: Msg 93037)
     From: NIMITZ       To: JEJONES

James, I too have a mouse problem.  No logitech driver for my mouse!

I got the mouse based Emacs from Andrzej Kotanski, and can't use it from the
mouse, only the keyboard mouse....

Some one needs to do the combined logitech/microsloth mouse drivers for the e
68070!

David

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93055 18-JUL 19:08 General Information
     RE: MM/1 fried mouse (/t2?) (Re: Msg 93015)
     From: JOHNREED     To: JEJONES

James,
 Is it possible that the machine did something screwy to your
os9boot file on that first "almost-boot"?  It SHOULD refuse
to load a damaged file, but .... easy things first, did you
try to boot from a different disk?

 ((Probably won't help, but it's an easy thing to try))

Good Luck
John

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End of Thread.

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93021 16-JUL 20:08 General Information
     OS-9 Late Night:Reminder
     From: THETAURUS    To: ALL

         This is another reminder. Tomorrow(Monday) night at 10:00 PM
       Eastern time, we will be having our weekly conference "OS-9 Late
       Night". This week will be an open forum so come in an talk about
       anything. If it gets to dull, fear not, I'll just make up some
       nasty rumours about people to keep things interesting  O;-)

         Also, if you use OS-9 Levels I or II, than NEXT WEEKS (7/24)
       Topic will be of special interest to you. Mike Rowen, who is the
       OS-9 Users' Group Vice President of the 6809 users will be on hand
       and discussing potential future projects as well as what is going
       on right NOW. This will be a good opportunity to voice your
       opinions to Mike as to what you would like to see done by the UG
       and to also GET INVOLVED. Judging from the Sourcebook entry forms
       I've recieved so far, a great majority of you indicated that you
       would be available from time to time help out on projects, so this
       is a great sign. I personally encourage Mike to take this into
       account and to set up some activities so that we as the USERS of
       the UG can get the wheels turning. I hope a lot of you are on hand
       so we can begin to add more productive activity under the umbrella
       of the UG. The Sourcebook is a start. Let's take it from there.

         And let's not forget, that the week following that (6/31) will
       be our big D.A.V.I.D conference. This is really shaping up pretty
       good. A temp account has been opened for Dave Kimble, and a
       posting in either the sign-on or sign-off banner is a possibility.
       I won't know for sure until about a week before the conference, as
       that is when I'm supposed to send in my request to the one in
       charge of the banners. Mark your calendars!

         If you have a conference you would like to hold, just leave
       Email to me and I should be able to get you on. Take it easy
       everyone!


         Chris Perrault
         OS-9 Users' Group
         Sourcebook Coordinator

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93024 16-JUL 22:40 General Information
     Basic09 Programming
     From: THETAURUS    To: ALL


         Does anyone have any working Basic09 code that uses Syscall, or
       any other means for that matter, in finding what device is
       currently using the std input path(#0)? I'm still doing my 'Prot'
       utility and this is the last thing I need to put into the program,
       but it has been my biggest problem. I am using getstat with the
       pd.dtp part of the pd.opt section, and have really been getting a
       lot of trouble with it. I want to get this done so I can move on
       to other things. Eventually I want to start on seriously learning
       C, but want to get a couple B09 projects out of the way first. Not
       abandoning B09, I just have to learn C SOON.

        See Ya
        >Chris<

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93025 16-JUL 22:53 General Information
     RE: Rick Cooper (Re: Msg 92196)
     From: CFDMRICK     To: THETAURUS

Thanks Chris...I'm not here very often...sorry to be so long in getting your
message.

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93026 17-JUL 00:49 General Information
     Uploading CDL Basic demo ver 2.0
     From: FHOGG        To: MITHELEN

Paul,

I tried again to upload to data new. The first 2 files, test, went fine but the
third, binary, just hung. I tried to upload it to my workspace and had the same
problem.

I'm confused...

BTW you can delete the older upload of v1.25.

I'll keep trying but any help would be appricated.

Frank

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93031 17-JUL 01:06 General Information
     RE: Uploading CDL Basic demo ver 2.0 (Re: Msg 93026)
     From: MITHELEN     To: FHOGG

I'll take cake of getting rid of the old stuff... Not sure why the upload
would hang... I take it you have tried during non busy times... If worse
comes to worse, you are welcome to mail a disk to me, and I will get it
uploaded for you. If you end up weanting to do that, just let me know
and I'll send you my address.
--
Paul

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93032 17-JUL 01:15 General Information
     RE: Uploading CDL Basic demo ver 2.0 (Re: Msg 93031)
     From: FHOGG        To: MITHELEN

I logged off and then back on and tried again. I got about 40K of the 116K
binary file uploaded and then ran into retires. After a bit delphi gave up and
canceled. I did upload it to CIS without problems. My connection to CIS is only
9600 while my connecti
on here is 14400. Do you have any thoughts about the speed diff?
I'll try again tomorrow. Leave the file open to the other files I have yet to
upload.

Thanks

Frank

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End of Thread.

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93039 17-JUL 20:31 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91758)
     From: DIGIGRADE    To: DBREEDING


 > and prepare a meal.  I've not been trying to cook for too long, but I'm
 > learning a few new dishes as I go along.

     Are the cooking shows helping? I just like to listen to Jeff Smith. :)

 > For chili, I just uses Pintos, they seem to work pretty well..  I usually
 > use browned hamburger, about a pound, about a pound of beans, chili
 > powder, a dash of cayenne pepper, sometimes a little garlic, and add a
 > some tomato Sauce.  Goes pretty good, especially in cold weather.  I never
 > did care for spagetti or macaroni in the chili.. some use it (don't
 > remember if you mentioned this or not).

     I got hooked on Wendy's chili when I was a kid. It is a little on the
soupy side these days though. Wendy's wasn't a bad place to work (except
for a racist assistant manager, our Hardees is chock full 'o nuts too).
Doh! Wer'e talking about cooking! :)

 > I tell you a little quickie thing you might try sometime if you like the

     For lunch I used to love grilled thin sliced ham with Lady Lee American
single slice (Kraft cheese sucks) between two buttered waffles (square).
There's nothing that satisfies like that. :) Then there's an old favorite I
had for lunch every day in Elementry school, Ham and cheese (again, Lady Lee)
topped with lettuce on a kyeser (sp) roll. To me there's just about nothing
you can't add cheese to. Just today I put cheese (Thank You brand) on my
onion rings! (Dave thinks about firing up that fry pot.. naah) Food is pretty
simple for me these days. An eggroll here, a pot pie there, a couple of
potatoes...  Then there is the odd run to KFC or LJS, and who can live
without pizza! Who knows, when I'm in charge of my own oven I may experiment.
Anyone know if there are disadvantages to electric ovens?

   (boy, what a thread, nerds with ovens :)


    Dave



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93074 19-JUL 23:04 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 93039)
     From: ISC          To: DIGIGRADE

>
>  > and prepare a meal.  I've not been trying to cook for too long, but I'm
>  > learning a few new dishes as I go along.
>
>      Are the cooking shows helping? I just like to listen to Jeff Smith. :)
>
>  > For chili, I just uses Pintos, they seem to work pretty well..  I usually
>  > use browned hamburger, about a pound, about a pound of beans, chili
>  > powder, a dash of cayenne pepper, sometimes a little garlic, and add a
>  > some tomato Sauce.  Goes pretty good, especially in cold weather.  I never
>  > did care for spagetti or macaroni in the chili.. some use it (don't
>  > remember if you mentioned this or not).
>
>      I got hooked on Wendy's chili when I was a kid. It is a little on the
> soupy side these days though. Wendy's wasn't a bad place to work (except
> for a racist assistant manager, our Hardees is chock full 'o nuts too).
> Doh! Wer'e talking about cooking! :)
>
>  > I tell you a little quickie thing you might try sometime if you like the
>
>      For lunch I used to love grilled thin sliced ham with Lady Lee American
> single slice (Kraft cheese sucks) between two buttered waffles (square).
> There's nothing that satisfies like that. :) Then there's an old favorite I
> had for lunch every day in Elementry school, Ham and cheese (again, Lady Lee)
> topped with lettuce on a kyeser (sp) roll. To me there's just about nothing
> you can't add cheese to. Just today I put cheese (Thank You brand) on my
> onion rings! (Dave thinks about firing up that fry pot.. naah) Food is pretty
> simple for me these days. An eggroll here, a pot pie there, a couple of
> potatoes...  Then there is the odd run to KFC or LJS, and who can live
> without pizza! Who knows, when I'm in charge of my own oven I may experiment.
> Anyone know if there are disadvantages to electric ovens?
>
>    (boy, what a thread, nerds with ovens :)
>
>
>     Dave
>
>
>
Sounds like a great potential for zit city and poor health when you pass 40.
This high fat, low veg diet is also excellent prep for a mid-life heart
attack.  Good luck.  Why do most people have to learn this the hard way?


Bill

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93086 21-JUL 01:26 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 93039)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: DIGIGRADE

   Lets See<Disadvantages to electric oven>
   One Cannot stick HEAD in oven and turn on gas!
     or light a match inside to see if its working!

       LIGHT!      <GRIN>


Dennis

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End of Thread.

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93040 17-JUL 20:31 General Information
     IX is back in action
     From: DIGIGRADE    To: ALL


      Well guys, after spending 3 months getting aquainted with my new
Macintosh, I have decided to give equal time back to my MM/1. I have
powered up InfoXpress again and found requests waiting! Well, I had to
delete most of them because people think your a real dweeb responding
to a 3 month old message.

      Anyhow, part of why I'm back on the MM/1 day to day is because
Delphi readers for other machines are grotesque. Allthough I haven't
tried Rainbow for the PC. I would have to emulate it with SoftPC and
that would be too much trouble. I have to thank you again Bill for
such an awesome mail reader! To think a program this useful is actually
on OS9/6809 is hard. The like hasn't been seen for allmost a decade.
Exactly the reason we need other super-useful packages on OS9 and OSK.
If Max-10 gets ported to OS9 and OSK it will be a marvel. I think it's
time I started that DTP project I have been wanting to do. The biggest
reason we can't get this kind of basic app. done is because people are
afraid of type-7 screens. This is exactly the screen mode we need to
use in a DTP app. Anyhow, now that we have all that great stuff from
Joel like the Clipboard Library and the scaleable font stuff (wich I
don't have right now) I think I can throw a decent Max-10 replacement
together. Not that it will be anywhere near as usefull or easy to use.

I am going to start the FMV game soon as well. BTW Chris Hawks? How do
I CDI disks to work with CDF?


    Dave Pellerito
    OS9 Programmer
    Back with a vengance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

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93094 21-JUL 22:54 General Information
     RE: IX is back in action (Re: Msg 93040)
     From: HAWKSOFT     To: DIGIGRADE (NR)

Hi Dave:

 > I am going to start the FMV game soon as well. BTW Chris Hawks? How do
 > I CDI disks to work with CDF?

  CDF will read High Sierra, ISO9660, and (if your drive supports them <your
single speed does>) CD-i disks.

                                             Chris


   :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :->  Chris "HAWKSoft"  <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:

        Delphi: HAWKSOFT                   Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM

   ******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.02.00 >******************

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End of Thread.

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93046 18-JUL 01:38 General Information
     Upload problems
     From: FHOGG        To: MITHELEN

Paul,

I tried again with the same results. I get 44032 bytes of 116791 and then up to
6 retries. I get a message 'Got ZRPOS=44032'. I also have a comment on the
screen of 'CRC-32'.

All of this is from a Mac running Zterm. I have uploaded this same file to CIS
with no problem using CIS's CIM program. Zterm is one of the most popular Mac
term/com programs so I doubt it is the problem.

Any thoughts on how I should proceed?

Frank

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93048 18-JUL 01:42 General Information
     RE: Upload problems (Re: Msg 93046)
     From: NIMITZ       To: FHOGG

Frank, which file are you having this problem with??  I may be able to upload
it....

David

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93060 18-JUL 22:24 General Information
     RE: Upload problems (Re: Msg 93048)
     From: MITHELEN     To: FHOGG

Hmm... no real ideas... and it always fails at the same place? weird...
Onlky other idea is to try a different term program or different protocal.
--
Paul

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93064 18-JUL 23:56 General Information
     RE: Upload problems (Re: Msg 93046)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: FHOGG


   Frank,

   Delphi's Zmodem is an older version :) and doesn't work well with
the newest stuff... If you can, use Y Batch or Y modem.

   John -


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93067 19-JUL 01:25 General Information
     RE: Upload problems (Re: Msg 93060)
     From: FHOGG        To: MITHELEN

This is what I got when I switch com programs and dropped the baud rate and
used Xmodem:
### Send (x) CDL_V2.LZH: NAK on sector
### Send (x) CDL_V2.LZH: NAK on sector
th# Send (x) CDL_V2.LZH: NAK on sector
### Send (x) CDL_V2.LZH: NAK on sector
### Send (x) CDL_V2.LZH: NAK on sector

This happened at about 43K, the same place as before. 'I' think that I have run
into a bad sector on delphi's hard drive. Perhaps you could check on this for
me with the folks at delphi. I've done this at least 5 times with the same
results but changing th
ings on my end. It almost 'has' to be a bad sector on delphis HD.

Frank

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93070 19-JUL 21:54 General Information
     RE: Upload problems (Re: Msg 93067)
     From: MITHELEN     To: FHOGG

While that would sound logical on a single user system, with a single
disk drive, I think that it would be highly improbable (perhaps infinately
improbable) that you whold hit the same bad sector continously on
Delphi, with is many, many users, and mutiple disk/system clusters.

Have you tried going through a different network, or calling Delphi's
direct line? I would suspect possibly a network related problem.
--
Paul


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93075 19-JUL 23:45 General Information
     RE: Upload problems (Re: Msg 93070)
     From: FHOGG        To: MITHELEN

AT LAST!

OK your last info was what did it. I went over to Tymnet and was able to upload
it OK. S96 is what I had been using because it was 14400. Tymnet is 9600.
Althoiugh it seems as fast.

Anyway... It is now ready to be made available. A little text oddity at the end
of the description... "CDL Basic for OS9/6 8000. 8000." should be "CDL Basic
for OS9/68000." But who's cares.

Thanks

Frank

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93077 20-JUL 01:02 General Information
     RE: Upload problems (Re: Msg 93075)
     From: MITHELEN     To: FHOGG

Ok... I'll work onm downloading it and checking it out... should have it
approved by tomarrow...
--
Paul

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93079 20-JUL 23:34 General Information
     RE: Upload problems (Re: Msg 93077)
     From: FHOGG        To: MITHELEN

Great!

Thanks for the unusual effort.

Frank

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End of Thread.

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93049 18-JUL 01:44 System Modules (6809)
     Bootfix
     From: REVWCP       To: ALL

Dear friends:

While looking through some of my patch files, I found the following,
it was named bootfix.

The first patch is to make the system boot up at 6ms.  I don't,
however know what the second patch, for os9p1 is for.  Could anyone
help me out with this one.  Also, if any one knows who wrote it, please
let me know.

    l boot
    c 00c0 03 00
    c 017c 13 10
    v
    l os9p1
    c 05b7 cc 4f
    c 05b8 00 5f
    c 05b9 02 39
    v

It was called fixboot in my archives, but I don't know if that is the
proper name or not.


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+: With all best wishes, :::::  When all else fails :+
+: Brother Jeremy, CSJW  ::::::::::: ask a Monk :::::+
+: OS9 Users Group Treasurer ::::::::::::::::::::::::+
+::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::+
+::: revwcp@delphi.com :::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::+
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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93056 18-JUL 20:52 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Bootfix (Re: Msg 93049)
     From: REVKAK       To: REVWCP

Bro. Jeremy,  That patch you have is part of a file here in "system" database.
Do a sea boot or sea os9p1 and you will find it along with a couple others.
I looked at them but decided that those patches will be left to Nitros.

Hope this helps. Keith

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End of Thread.

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93051 18-JUL 06:52 General Information
     CONFERENCE NOTICE
     From: MROWEN01     To: ALL


  POSTED: 18 Jul 95

  HAVE YOU FILLED OUT YOUR DATA SHEET FOR THE OS-9 SOURCE BOOK PROJECT?
  EMAIL FOR MORE INFORMATION:


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  // DELPHI CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
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  OS-9 Late Night Conference w/ Chris Perrault
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Monday, 24 Jul 95 - 10PM ET - VP of OS-9/6809 discusses projects &
                                gets general feedback from users.
  Monday, 31 Jul 95 - 10PM ET - Microware's David Kimble will discuss
                                D.A.V.I.D, interactive "set top"
                                technology.

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  Coco Real Time Conference
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  OS-9 IRC Conference        Type  /join #os9  once inside IRC
  -----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Sunday, 30 Jul 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum
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  ---------------------------- ATTENTION! --------------------------
     Are there any other on-line conferences happening out there?

   If you know of other conferences or events that are taking place on
   other on-line services (AOL,Genie,CIS, etc.) please send mail to me
   at either address listed below. I will post any information I receive.


   Mike Rowen
   VP OS-9/6809
   OS-9 Users Group
   mrowen01@delphi.com

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93054 18-JUL 18:31 General Information
     Late Night Review
     From: THETAURUS    To: ALL

 Where was eeryone last night????

 See Yya
 >Chris<

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93057 18-JUL 20:59 General Information
     RE: Late Night Review (Re: Msg 93054)
     From: REVKAK       To: THETAURUS

Chris, I was going to log on and drop in but just at that time a *HUGE*
thunderstorm came through and lasted until around 2.00AM. I only have one modem
and can't afford to get another. But then again that would be a good excuse to
get a faster one >9600. But then that requires Fast232 and I don't have the
money right now.  Oh, how many did show up?

Keith

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93059 18-JUL 22:14 General Information
     RE: Late Night Review (Re: Msg 93057)
     From: THETAURUS    To: REVKAK

 >>Oh, how many did show up?

 One, if you include the 15 or so minutes I was there<G>

 Yeah, there have been quite a few of the storms going around, so that probably
 accounted for a few of the no shows

 See Ya
 >Chris<

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93065 18-JUL 23:56 General Information
     RE: Late Night Review (Re: Msg 93054)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: THETAURUS


  Chris,

> Where was eeryone last night????

  Don't know about anyone else but, here in Phila area, we had some
really bad T-Storms.. 8-(

  There was no way I'm plug'n my modem in <g>.

  John -


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End of Thread.

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93068 19-JUL 02:47 System Modules (6809)
     Rel
     From: REVWCP       To: ALL

Dear Friends:

Thank you for the responses to the boot question.  Here is
another. In an article entitled :


                         How to put OS-9 in ROM
                             by Mike Sweet
                                3/26/89


(In the Delphi data bases as Bootrom.ar)

He wrote:


...Putting OS-9  in  ROM  is  fairly  simple.  Basically, there are two
changes that need to be made.  The first change fixes a bug in  the  REL
module.   That  change  can  be made by simply running modpatch with the
included script ('rel.pat.')...........


   l rel
   c 00dd 30 33
   c 00e0 fc 19
   c 00e1 8c 11
   c 00e2 ed 83
   c 00e3 00 ed
   c 00e4 24 00
   c 00e5 1b 24
   c 00e6 ce 1a
   c 00e7 26 12
   c 00e8 00 12
   v


I did a disassembly of the original code, and it showed:

00143   00DD 308DFFFC   L00DD    LEAX  >L00DD,PCR
00144   00E1 8CED00              CMPX  #$ED00
00145   00E4 241B                BCC   L0101
00146   00E6 CE2600              LDU   #$2600


With the patch applied, it disassembles as:


00143   00DD 338DFF19   L00DD    LEAU  >LFFFA,PCR
00144   00E1 1183ED00            CMPU  #$ED00
00145   00E5 241A                BCC   L0101
00146   00E7 12                  NOP
00147   00E8 12                  NOP



This was the first that I had heard that there was a bug in REL.  Can
anyone enlighten me more on this?


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+: With all best wishes, :::::  When all else fails :+
+: Brother Jeremy, CSJW  ::::::::::: ask a Monk :::::+
+: OS9 Users Group Treasurer ::::::::::::::::::::::::+
+::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::+
+::: revwcp@delphi.com :::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::+
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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93072 19-JUL 22:40 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Rel (Re: Msg 93068)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: REVWCP

Bro. Jeremy

 This isn't a cause of a bug. It's more a case of teaching an old dog
a new trick. REL is the first thing run when starting OS9. Disk basic
loads the kernel *track*, including REL and Boot, at address $2600.
REL, in this code frag, is checking to see where it is in memory, and
copying itself up high if it isn't there already. The check is needed
so that the copying isn't done on a "single-reset" reboot. Note that
the $2600 is hard coded.

 The problem is that code in ROM is not going to be at $2600. It will
more likely be at $C000. The original test is okay, but the hard coded
$2600 start address has to go for ROM usage. Mike did a cute trick of
modifying the position test so that it picked up the actual boot track
start point in memory, used this for the test, then dropped through
(via the NOPs) to the move code with the address intact.

 This patch is only needed for using OS9 in ROM, but will work with any
system. We are talking having the actual OS9 code in ROM. It is not
needed for autobooting ROMs like B&B or Puppo or ???. They mimic (or
use) DECB to load at $2600.


   Randy

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End of Thread.

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93073 19-JUL 22:42 General Information
     OS-9 Late Night:Reminder
     From: THETAURUS    To: ALL

         OS-9 Late Night
         Monday Night July 24 10:00 PM Eastern
         Topic:OS-9 Users Group Level I & II Discussion
               With Vice President of OS-9/6809 , Mike Rowen

         Join us this Monday when Mike will be here to take comments,
       questions, and ideas for possible projects from users. He will
       also discuss some of his personal plans for future of the UG's OS-
       9 Users and will be sharing his ideas, and feelings on the
       community as a whole. If you would like to volunteer to do any
       sort of UG work this would be a good night to speak with Mike
       LIVE.

         As a sidenote, if you should know anyone who is not an online
       user and doesn't have access to all the latest updates in the OS-9
       Community, get them a Sourcebook User entry form and have them
       send it to me so I can get them in the database. It is hard enough
       to keep up with all the net users, let along those who are offline
       and hard to be found. We need to get their information in order to
       keep them in touch. Now there is no reason to be 'lost in the
       shuffle'!!! And if you haven't sent in your form by now, why put
       it off? The sourcebook is only as good as the amount of
       information in it!!!

         Chris Perrault
         OS-9 Users' Group
         Sourcebook Coordinator

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93076 19-JUL 23:45 Telecom (6809)
     AlphaSoft - Warp1
     From: DOMM         To: ALL

Is there anyone else out there who uses AlphaSoft's Warp1 for OS-9
telecommunications? I have been using it for quite a while with no problems
but have a condition that seems to ellude me so far. If I use the buffer
to screen capture and then list -- it gives me a double spaced list.
I've tried tmodeing, xmodeing everything I could find but haven't gotten
a single spaced list so far. (I'm assuming that where alf=01 gives auto
linefeed, alf=00 would disable.(?)) Any thoughts?

I also tried to find Keith Alfonso with no luck. Member name ALPHASOFT
gives Keith's name but when I try to EMail it says no such member.(?)
Is he still around to be contacted?

Thanks.

---Dom

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93078 20-JUL 19:31 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93076)
     From: JEJONES      To: DOMM

 > Is there anyone else out there who uses AlphaSoft's Warp1 for OS-9
 > telecommunications? I have been using it for quite a while with no
 > problems but have a condition that seems to ellude me so far. If I use the
 > buffer to screen capture and then list -- it gives me a double spaced
 > list.

Sounds like it's keeping the LFs as well as the CRs.

 I've tried tmodeing, xmodeing everything I could find but haven't
 > gotten a single spaced list so far. (I'm assuming that where alf=01 gives
 > auto linefeed, alf=00 would disable.(?)) Any thoughts?

If it's saving the stuff to a file, try dumping the file so you can see
exactly what it's saving.

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

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93080 20-JUL 23:38 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93078)
     From: WDTV5        To: JEJONES

The best bet is prolly a proggy I got from here, call "tr".
Usage syntax is "tr 10 13 filename" which will convert any linefeeds
in the file to cr's. Or look for a lf stripper util. I find I can't
handle even the uue style files here without first converting it.
Thats a problem when I use rz to dl a .uue file, it seems to wanna
convert any cr's in the original uuencoded file to cr-lf combo's.
uud then barfs.
Cheers, Gene

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93082 21-JUL 00:20 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93078)
     From: DOMM         To: JEJONES

> ......try dumping the file so you can see....

Saved the buffer to disk...used kwikzap to inspect..and the saved capture
file has LF's included. This file gives a double spaced list as does
listing the buffer under Warp1. If I use "fixtxt" which illeminates LF's,
The file of course lists OK with Tmode lf.

Everything is Xmoded to alf=00. Interesting thing is that if I view the
file which gives a double spaced list when viewed from term or shell
overlays...with Mike Sweet's "ED" text editor---it lists OK.

Some how when I{use the buffer to capture, LF's get thrown in. When
viewing the original telecomunications screen, the listing is OK.

How can I stop  LF's from being tacked on?

---Dom

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93083 21-JUL 00:48 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93082)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM

Dom,

 The LF's are orginating with the host. It's a MSDOS world out there, MSODS
uses CR/LF combo, so most telcom uses it also. Standard OS9 terminal programs
automagicly tmode the screen to alf=00 and therefore expects the linefeeds.
SuperComm acts this way, with a option to internally added the linefeeds in
the event the host doesn't send them.

 So your problem really isn't in your telcom, your host, or your screen
settings. It's in your terminal program. It should be stripping these linefeeds
out before it saves the capture to disk. Again, SuperComm does this.


  Randy

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93091 21-JUL 21:30 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93083)
     From: DOMM         To: RANDYKWILSON

Randy---

I've been using Warp1 for a long time and I guess I just got to o accustomed
to using it. Now that you point out SuperComm, it seems using that would in
most respects be the way to go. I like being able to view the capture buffer
as does Warp1 but SuperComm has more control options.

And anyway...I know who to contact when I have a question about it! <G>


One question I have presently is: Whats the best way to change the colors
SuperComm uses so I can match what I use now? (I have just scanned the doc
so I don't know if that mentions it.(?))

---Dom

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93092 21-JUL 22:36 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93091)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM

Dom,

 There is no function to change colors in the currently released version.
Sorry about that.

   Randy

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93093 21-JUL 22:40 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93092)
     From: DOMM         To: RANDYKWILSON

Randy...

Ooooppps!  <G>

Thanks again for the direction! I'm printing out docs now.

---Dom

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93098 22-JUL 09:10 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93082)
     From: WDTV5        To: DOMM

I don't know as you can. I solved this a long time back by writing a
quick and dirty little thing in Basic09 that copiesn the file byte by byte
UNLESS the byte is a linefeed ($0A) in which case its thrown away.
I originally did it so's the basic09 listings I was doing weren't dbl
spaced later, AND because when basic09 does a "save" it also uses
linefeeds. Linefeeds as you know, may well drive your editor into doing
weird things, my code was big enough that I needed to get around it "vi"
style, so I wrote the stripper. BTW, you can then feed that file back

into basic09 with a load, it doesn't seem to care that its linefeeds
are missing on the reload.
Cheers, Gene

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93099 22-JUL 09:13 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93083)
     From: WDTV5        To: RANDYKWILSON (NR)

One exception Randy, when its running the external rz, no strip. So all the
uue stuffs I move have to be stripped before I can uud them. That doesn't
take long, but it is a pain in the drain.
Cheers Randy, Gene

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End of Thread.

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93081 20-JUL 23:39 General Information
     RE: Memorial Day?? (Re: Msg 92702)
     From: TAULBORG     To: MRUPGRADE (NR)

GOOD ONE TERRY!

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93084 21-JUL 01:04 Telecom (6809)
     Delphi Internet Beta
     From: MITHELEN     To: ALL

Just got a beta test package from Delphi Internet today, and boy is it
GREAT! Real Internet services! Netscape! yahoo! I spent at least 4 hours
today playing... lots of fun...
--
Paul

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93087 21-JUL 01:50 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Delphi Internet Beta (Re: Msg 93084)
     From: PHXKEN       To: MITHELEN

When do you expect the rest of us will get a chance to see it?

phxken@delphi.com phxken@class68.com
phxken@aztec.asu.edu(preferred)
http://www.ccn.cs.dal.ca/~ah712/Profile.html in
Halifax,N.S.,Ca.
***Physical home in Phoenix, Arizona USA***

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93095 22-JUL 00:24 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Delphi Internet Beta (Re: Msg 93087)
     From: MITHELEN     To: PHXKEN (NR)

Official release is schedualed mid September. BTW, just checked out you home,
nice job.

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End of Thread.

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93096 22-JUL 00:29 Programmers Den
     RAW DISK ACCESES
     From: SMITHBA      To: ALL

I need to know how to read raw disk info.
To read a whole track, including controll info, and
write it back to another disk.
How do you change the size of the sectors (i.e. 512 and 1k)
I don't have the commands for the 1773
I have tried experimenting, but nothing.
Thanks for any help
Brian Smith

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93100 22-JUL 09:19 Programmers Den
     RE: RAW DISK ACCESES (Re: Msg 93096)
     From: WDTV5        To: SMITHBA (NR)

Under OS9, you have to open the whole device to do it "raw", and this
will NOT get you the 1773 data it uses for sync and track id info.
To open the whole device, append a "@" to the end of the devicename.
Seeks etc then have to be done starting from byte 0 of the device.
Hope this is some help.
Cheers, Gene

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End of Thread.

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93101 22-JUL 12:37 Applications (6809)
     chestnut
     From: WDTV5        To: ALL

Can anyone tell me why we can't get into chestnut anymore? Its refusing
to honor the default anonimous access.
Cheers all, Gene

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