read new nonstop follow 93102 22-JUL 14:17 Applications (6809) RE: chestnut (Re: Msg 93101) From: BOISY To: WDTV5 I noticed this too this morning. It seems chestnut is no longer working with anonymous logins. -*- 93113 23-JUL 01:58 Applications (6809) RE: chestnut (Re: Msg 93102) From: MITHELEN To: BOISY maybe someone tripped over the cord? 8-) -*- 93146 25-JUL 20:08 Applications (6809) RE: chestnut (Re: Msg 93113) From: DBREEDING To: MITHELEN > maybe someone tripped over the cord? 8-) Let's hope it's something like that :-) -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- End of Thread. -*- 93103 22-JUL 17:40 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93099) From: RANDYKWILSON To: WDTV5 Gene, Correct. Supercomm only knows enough about zmodem to spot the start and fork off rz or sz. From there on, it's rz/sz's ball. The only control Supercomm has is to kill off rz/sz at the operators request, under certain conditions. We were specificly talking about ascii captures, but SuperComm will also toss out linefeeds if it feels an xmodem/ymodem download is ascii text. Randy -*- 93111 23-JUL 01:57 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93076) From: DBREEDING To: DOMM > Is there anyone else out there who uses AlphaSoft's Warp1 for OS-9 > telecommunications? > If I use the > buffer to screen capture and then list -- it gives me a double spaced > list. That's in the listing of the buffer only? I had the same problem with OSTerm. You can turn off LF's, (at least in OSTerm), but then if you want to view it on the screen, it keeps overwriting the single line, until a true LF is sent. There are a couple of solutions. 1. use a utility to strip out LF's 2. For screen listings, set tmode -lf for the screen 3. Use the command "merge" instead of list. This won't work for the printer unless you have it set to not provide its own linefeeds. If you want to use option 1, don't have a LF stripper and cannot find one, let me know and I'll send you something I wrote. You can write one in B09, but it is rather slow. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93114 23-JUL 02:38 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93098) From: DOMM To: WDTV5 Gene--- >I don't know if you can. ..... I just got through setting up SuperComm. Don't think I'll bother trying to fix the spacing of the capture buffer in Warp1. SuperComm has more to offer. ---Dom -*- 93115 23-JUL 02:44 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93111) From: DOMM To: DBREEDING David--- I've been using FIXTXT for a while for file LF stripping. Now that I have setup SuperComm, I'll just use that. Its more useful and flexible. ---Dom -*- 93121 23-JUL 12:44 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93080) From: 01GEN40 To: WDTV5 Hello Gene, I do not know to whom this message should be directed, so I am sending it to you. A while back I wrote a utility that will take any text file and strip out any and all unwanted characters. I wrote it in such a way that the output can be redirected to the printer or to a new file. It can be sent to the screen but there is no pause capability in it. It also paginates the output. If wanted, I can put together a little DOC file and upload it here. let me know. See ya among the stars... Ya know, I was just thinking. I wonder what it would do to an executible file. I think I may see just what it will do, might prove to be quite interesting! I will let you know. LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 93123 23-JUL 14:11 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93080) From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5 > The best bet is prolly a proggy I got from here, call "tr". > Usage syntax is "tr 10 13 filename" which will convert any linefeeds > in the file to cr's. Or look for a lf stripper util. He'd still have a double-space printout.. Might try another option. I don't know if it would work for the CoCo or not.. If you have VED, You might try loading it into it. I know the OSK version (2.0, anyway) will strip out the LF's, you can save it in DOS format if you want, but without specifying, it will save it without the LF's.. It's late tonight, I won't try now, but you might give it a shot. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93124 23-JUL 14:11 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93098) From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5 > I don't know as you can. I solved this a long time back by writing a > quick and dirty little thing in Basic09 that copiesn the file byte by > byte UNLESS the byte is a linefeed ($0A) in which case its thrown away. If there's no linefeed strip here, I wrote one in Assembly. It does the read with ReadLn, and I cannot remember, right now, it _may_ only look at the first character on that line.. If y'all want me to, I'll upload it.. or email it to anyone who wants it. I'll provide the source, too, for anyone who doesn't like they way it does I originally tried it in B09 but it was a little slow for huge files. > I originally did it so's the basic09 listings I was doing weren't dbl > spaced later, AND because when basic09 does a "save" it also uses > linefeeds. Yah.. those linefeeds were really aggravating for listings.. that's for sure. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93128 23-JUL 18:25 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93103) From: WDTV5 To: RANDYKWILSON Yeah, but zmodem is *supposed* to handle that too. Pity it doesn't when its controlled by the sender and told its text mode stuffs. Its not a huge prob to me, but I expect there are those who *are* a bit put off by it. Do you have yet another vversion in the works? One item I'd like to see is for the next version of SC to drop the echo into a black hole for the duration of an ascii text send, I think it gets confused by trying to process the echo *sometimes*, particularly when the file going out is larger than 32k or so. I'd like to see some scripting over and above the dial.adf file allows too. But understand I'm not squawking too loud, I also use most of the comm proggies on the amiga, term43 at the moment, and SC *STILL* does some things better! Cheers - Gene -*- 93129 23-JUL 18:38 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93121) From: WDTV5 To: 01GEN40 An executable? Well, first, it will change all the machine code references to the extra register sets to an illegal opcode, or a different one. In other words, the resultant will fail 2 ways, first being the crc check that os9 *normally* subjects anything it notes is executable when its loaded to do a F$Fork or F$Chain to. Second, is that the modified code will no doubt crash spectacularly. The reason I used the '*' above is that there are util/patches for os9 that do turn the crc checking on/off, part of a speedup patch set for Nitros9 for instance. 1.22 itself will probably default that to off. I have mixed feelings about that myself, but then disk drives have become about 10-3 times more dependable in the last decade. I have not had a hard drive data error in over a year that I didn't create! Floppies here are still in the so-so category though. Have fun Gene - Gene -*- 93131 23-JUL 18:41 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93123) From: WDTV5 To: DBREEDING Correct of course, I was asleep too! I think the same can be said for the patchkit that makes 'vi' outta 'TSEDIT'. It will show you a ? as the first character in the line IF its a linefeed riddled file. I spose if the file had lf/cr instead of cr/lf's then the last character would be displayed as a '?'. Anyway, when I see that, I just exit without saving, and use my stripper on it. Cheers Dave, Gene -*- 93132 23-JUL 18:43 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93124) From: WDTV5 To: DBREEDING I concur, as yours is no doubt faster than mine (mines sllowww) please do upload yyours. Cheers Dave, Gene -*- 93139 24-JUL 19:23 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93131) From: JOHNREED To: WDTV5 And.... for yet ANOTHER end-of-line fixer.... I recently downloaded a file called "autolf.lzh" from chestnut (before it quit letting me in -- ??). Autolf converts any DOS/UNIX/OS-9 text file to the format you specify. The archive contains source, and compiled executables for DOS, OSK and 6809/OS-9 machines. I even got it to compile on my OS-9000 critter. -- Not bad. The author is Mike Tozer - mike@vk3.demon.co.uk Also, Bob Van der Poel's "VED" handles all the end-of-line formats - and lets you convert them if you want. JohnW -*- 93147 25-JUL 20:08 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93115) From: DBREEDING To: DOMM > I've been using FIXTXT for a while for file LF stripping. Now that I have > setup > SuperComm, I'll just use that. Its more useful and flexible. That's a good choice. I used it some (I was kinda hooked on OSTerm, though) and it does have some good features. As with everything else, there's a thing or two that could stand some fixing , but it is a pretty neat comm program. Not familiar with FIXTXT, does it completely strip out LF's? -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93149 25-JUL 22:44 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93147) From: DOMM To: DBREEDING David--- > (RE:Fixtxt)...does it completely strip out LF's? Seems to. Don't know that much about it except that it works easily. > (SuperComm) ...a thing or two that could stand some fixing Actually, I seem to have a another problem with getting it completely working corectly. (Randy?...Anybody?...Help!) I'm sure its not SuperComms' fault. First, am I right in assuming that when SuperComm connects, it kills the overlay and sounds a "TONE" signaling connection? It seems that it did this at a few times. (?) Well...it doesn't anymore. I tried everything I could do to repeat the situation but...... Mine stays at the box until you press the spacebar. No connect tone either. Also, I can't get it to auto login. Maybe the two are connected someway? There is still a small "echo" problem as stated to Randy earlier, that hasn't been completely scoped out yet. Can these things be tied together or are they different problems. Or is some modem command out of wack? ANY THOUGHTS? ---Dom -*- 93151 26-JUL 00:20 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93139) From: WDTV5 To: JOHNREED Thanks John, and I was beginning to think chestnut was picking on me. That problem does need a fix however since it is/was our archive site! I don't have the means to pursue it, but someone with 9600 baud access should see if they can get thru and find out what the problem is. Hummm, is there such a thing as "postmaster@chesnut.cs.wisc.edu"? Cheers, Gene -*- 93152 26-JUL 00:29 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93151) From: RANDYKWILSON To: WDTV5 Jim posted a response on the CoCo listserv. If I remember correctly, they did a software upgrade, annonymous got broken, and Jim was trying to meet up with the sys admin to get it straightened out. Things should get back to normal soon with chestnut, I hope. :> Randy -*- 93159 26-JUL 20:40 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93139) From: DBREEDING To: JOHNREED > And.... for yet ANOTHER end-of-line fixer.... > > I recently downloaded a file called "autolf.lzh" from chestnut > (before it quit letting me in -- ??). Autolf converts > any DOS/UNIX/OS-9 text file to the format you specify. I saw discussion of it. I understand it does about any combination of cr/lf lf/cr, etc. > Also, Bob Van der Poel's "VED" handles all the end-of-line > formats - and lets you convert them if you want. Does the CoCo version do it? I know the OSK version does. I have an older version for the coco, but haven't fired it up since this thread began.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93160 26-JUL 20:40 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93132) From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5 > I concur, as yours is no doubt faster than mine (mines sllowww) please do > upload yyours. > Cheers Dave, Gene I know.. I tried one under B-09 and it was really slow.. OK for small files, but huge ones took forever.. I'll dig it out and see what I did with it. I can't remember if I just looked at the first character in the line or not.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93163 27-JUL 00:30 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93152) From: WDTV5 To: RANDYKWILSON So do I. Thanks Randy, Gene -*- 93168 29-JUL 08:31 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93159) From: JOHNREED To: DBREEDING > > Also, Bob Van der Poel's "VED" handles all the end-of-line > > formats - and lets you convert them if you want. > > Does the CoCo version do it? I know the OSK version does. I have > an older version for the coco, but haven't fired it up since this > thread began.. I only have the OSK version, but I think the CoCo version does it too. JohnW -*- 93170 29-JUL 15:45 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93168) From: DBREEDING To: JOHNREED > > > Also, Bob Van der Poel's "VED" handles all the end-of-line > > > formats - and lets you convert them if you want. > > > > Does the CoCo version do it? I know the OSK version does. I have > > an older version for the coco, > I only have the OSK version, but I think the CoCo version does it too. I could check it out myself. Actually, this would probably be the easiest way to do it.. All you have to do in the OSK version, the latest, at least, is to make one change in the file and then save. The version I have does not save unless something has been done.. If there are CR's at the begin of the file, I just delete one of them, or just hit space and then backspace and that'll do it. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- End of Thread. -*- 93104 23-JUL 01:47 Telecom (6809) RE: Delphi Internet Beta (Re: Msg 93084) From: JMURPHY To: MITHELEN > Just got a beta test package from Delphi Internet today, and boy is it > GREAT! Real Internet services! Netscape! yahoo! I spent at least 4 hours > today playing... lots of fun... > -- > Paul > Cooool!! Will it allow users to read Forum messages, and d'l files from Databases? Or does it only allow Delphi to act as an Internet Service Provider? John Murphy -*- 93109 23-JUL 01:56 Telecom (6809) RE: Delphi Internet Beta (Re: Msg 93104) From: MITHELEN To: JMURPHY Right now, it only is set up to act at a internet service provoider... Delphi actually has a seperate system set up for the Beta testers to log into. I believe that the future plan will be to allow full delphi access. Right now at least you can telnet back to delphi.com and access your standard Delphi account. I'll try to keep ya all informed as I learn more... BTW, I have no idea why I was chosen as a beta tester... perhaps cause I am part of a SIG staff, or perhaps I signed up for the Internet sig the first day it was available... it sure is fun testing a new thing though! -- Paul -*- 93292 13-AUG 19:21 Telecom (6809) RE: Delphi Internet Beta (Re: Msg 93084) From: KSCALES To: MITHELEN > Just got a beta test package from Delphi Internet today, and boy is it > GREAT! Real Internet services! Netscape! yahoo! I spent at least 4 hours > today playing... lots of fun... Hi, Paul - Can you access this from your OS-9 system? Is it fullscreen? Details, man, details! Regards... / Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237 -*- 93305 14-AUG 01:52 Telecom (6809) RE: Delphi Internet Beta (Re: Msg 93292) From: MITHELEN To: KSCALES No Ken, sorry to say, it is PC/MSWindows based. Mac version is planed, but a lot of other folks will be outa luck... But, from what I can tell, if you had a PPP driver, and Netscape/Mosaic on any other type of system, I don't see why it would't work with the new planed service, you just wouldn't get the "Delphi Shell" which is menubar interface to the bundled packages. I've been meaning to try to connect to the beta service with my Sun and X-Windows/Mosaic to confirm this, just been too busy lately. -- Paul -*- End of Thread. -*- 93105 23-JUL 01:56 General Information RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93024) From: DBREEDING To: THETAURUS > Does anyone have any working Basic09 code that uses Syscall, or > any other means for that matter, in finding what device is > currently using the std input path(#0)? Can't you use SS.DevNm ($0E) for that? reg.a = [path #] reg.b = $0e (SS.DevNm) reg.x = ADDR( 32-byte buffer for name string) After calling GetStatt, to Basic09-ize it, you need to find the last char in the devnam string, clear the MSB, and append an $FF > C, but want to get a couple B09 projects out of the way first. Not > abandoning B09, I just have to learn C SOON. I think C is really neat. I was truly impressed by B09, it has some really neat and powerful features. The biggest gripe about it was when you wanted to write multi-module programs, and tried to pass a complex data structure between them, then you had to redefine it for each module you wanted to use it in. This becomes quite a hassle for complex programs. With C, if you want, you can define all variables in one file and use this file for all files. Just takes one little trick.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93127 23-JUL 15:38 General Information RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93105) From: THETAURUS To: DBREEDING Thanks for the tip David. I'll see what I can do with it. I remember you gave me that before, but I don't think I was able to do anything with it. See Ya >Chris< -*- 93158 26-JUL 20:40 General Information RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93127) From: DBREEDING To: THETAURUS > Thanks for the tip David. I'll see what I can do with it. I remember > you gave me that before, but I don't think I was able to do anything with > it. Give it a shot and see what you can come up with. What will be returned, remember, is the device name with the MSB set. You will need a routine to parse the name... Could you use F$PrsNm (or is it I$)? Anyway, would it point to the last character? Then you would have to POKE LAND( PEEK(that location), $7f)... Then, POKE the value $FF into the next memory location. Do you use "gfx3"? If so, would you like for me to add that function to it? I could have it return a BASIC-ized string if need be. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93204 1-AUG 01:13 General Information RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93024) From: DBREEDING To: THETAURUS > Does anyone have any working Basic09 code that uses Syscall, or > any other means for that matter, in finding what device is > currently using the std input path(#0)? Chris: Here's something I threw together. I think this should do what you wanted to do.. You should be able to cut this out and load it into Basic as is. All you may need to do is set it to the left margin, or at least the first line.. It seems that this line has to start at left margin.. I indented them in case Delphi wanted to do some formatting.. It may be too general for what you wanted, but this is the basic idea.. I didn't hardcode STDIN into it, but you pass the path to the procedure. You might want to make some modifications to it.. I had it require a 33-byte string instead of a 32-byte string to allow for the $FF string delimiter for Basic. Also, you might want to change some of the error handling... ---------------------- cut ----------------------- PROCEDURE gs_devnam PARAM path:INTEGER PARAM devnam:STRING[34] TYPE register=CC,A,B,DP:BYTE; X,Y,U:INTEGER DIM Reg:register DIM plac:INTEGER (* First, make sure we have a big enough string storage space (* Note: string size defined above purposely extra large, then (* . the size test below will work *) IF SIZE(devnam)<33 THEN ERROR 56 \(* Parameter error you might want it to tell more ENDIF Reg.A=path Reg.B=$0E \(* SS.DevNm devnam="/" \(* start with a leading slash Reg.X=ADDR(devnam)+1 \(* leave space for leading slash RUN SysCall($8D,Reg) IF LAND(Reg.CC,$01)<>0 THEN ERROR Reg.B ENDIF (* Now normalize to Basic09 format *) plac=ADDR(devnam)+1 \(* First char past "/" WHILE LAND(PEEK(plac),$80)=0 DO plac=plac+1 ENDWHILE POKE plac,LAND(PEEK(plac),$7F) POKE plac+1,$FF ---------------------- cut ----------------------- -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93211 1-AUG 22:31 General Information RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93204) From: JOHNBAER To: DBREEDING David, > .. I indented them in case Delphi wanted to do some formatting.. Here's a tip to use in all your replies. Just use a ` .LT ' at the first char., on the first line, followed by a carriage return. This tells Delphi _not_ to format your text that follows. That is, Delphi will do a Literal Translation of everything that follows after the ` .LT '. Hope this helps... -- John - Windows isn't a virus .. Virus's _do_ something. -*- 93214 2-AUG 20:42 General Information RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93158) From: THETAURUS To: DBREEDING >>Give it a shot and see what you can come up with.<< I tried it out, and the the value I got was a five digit number, something like 17220 or close to that. I got your later message on how to convert it, which I haven't tried yet. Still, from what I read in that message, it seems like I should still be getting a real name, with just the last character's least significant bit set to zero(or is it MOST significant bit? Nonetheless, it may not even be the call I'm using(Pd.opt), so I'm going to hold off on devnme until after. I'm still holding on to that message tho, because it is a complicated procedure compared to the call I'm using, and I want to come back to that when I try it. Considering the nature of OS-9 and it's tendency to have unix like redirection, I'm surprised MW made it this difficult for Basic09 to be able to handle the device it is dealing with. I've gotten to the point where yes when done right, the program KNOWS what device it is using, but acts completely different and is now returning error #55(subscript out of range) at the first line that test which device name(number) it is. Here's a snippet... 10 RUN syscall($8D,regs) BASE 0 (* This is where I get the error 55 IF optbuffer(pd_dtp)=0 THEN (* If Std Input is from Keyboard then do... And then further down, checks if it is from a file(rbf) IF redirect THEN IF optbuffer(pd_dtp)=1 THEN (* If Std Input is redirected from a file And, then, from Pipe... IF optbuffer(pd_dtp)=2 THEN (* If Std Input is redirected from a pipe Now, you noticed, I numbered them in this case, 0,1,2. Previously Randy told me why not to do this, unless I use a base of 0 I believe(which I do in this case), because base refers to the offset, and not the actual item number. Now I've tried numbering both as 1,2,3 and 0,1,2 with every combination of base 0 and 1 and it still isn't working. Of course, it was nice of Tandy to point this stuff out in the manual, but I digress... Previously, it was working fine in the basic environment, but the only way I could test the redirected input was after packing it and using it from the command line since the command mode in basic09 won't let you do it. That is when I started getting the error 55. It came pretty close a few times, but it was still munged up, I worked on it some more and now it's even worse, and I can't remember half of the other things that were wrong it's gotten so complicated. If I was writing a new killer app like a spreadsheet, I wouldn't feel so down about this, but it's just another DELETE utility I've been working on for about 2 years now! And I'm not even doing in C or Assembly( I don't dare to think about it). I'll get back with further details when I dig up a bit more... See ya >Chris< -*- 93216 2-AUG 21:27 General Information RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93211) From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER > > .. I indented them in case Delphi wanted to do some formatting.. > > Here's a tip to use in all your replies. Just use a ` .LT ' at > the first char., on the first line, followed by a carriage return. I instructed IX to send it unformatted, but I went in and looked at the request (within IX) to send that message and it didn't say it was going to do so. I didn't see anything at the first of the message as it was input, but I _did_ see a dot command on the last line, but I've forgotten what it was.. It could have been .lt, I'm not sure.. I just didn't want to take any chances BTW.. did you look at the B09 code yourself? I tried it for stdout and also opened a file on /r0, and it came back good.. If anyone is using gfx3, I can add that function to it.. I kinda thought I had done so, but looking at my docs, it doesn't appear so.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93217 2-AUG 22:11 General Information RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93214) From: DBREEDING To: THETAURUS > >>Give it a shot and see what you can come up with.<< > > I tried it out, and the the value I got was a five digit number, > something like 17220 or close to that. I'm not sure what you are doing, there.... A value? In my suggestion (the first, general one, you pass the address of a pre-defined text buffer into the reg.x.. > I got your later message on > how to convert it, which I haven't tried yet. Still, from what I > read in that message, it seems like I should still be getting a > real name, with just the last character's least significant bit > set to zero(or is it MOST significant bit? Nonetheless, it may not > even be the call I'm using(Pd.opt), so I'm going to hold off on > devnme until after. I'm still holding on to that message tho, > because it is a complicated procedure compared to the call I'm > using, and I want to come back to that when I try it. Just enter that message into a text editor, cut out everything before and after each of the lines "---- cut ---". Then, you should delete all preceding spaces.. in each line. Save this and probably rename it to gs_devname.b09 or whatever. Then it should load into Basic09. To call it, you first set up a string of at least 33 characters in the calling program.. Then, for what you are wanting to do, just do the call as "RUN gs_devnam(0,buffername)" Note, Do NOT pass buffername as ADDR, but just the string variable name.. The program will normalize it to Basic09 format.. it will do everything, and place it in that string. When you return to the calling program, you then can test that device name.. It will be preceded by a leading slash. If you are typing in from /w7, the string will contain "/w7"+$FF. I am assuming this is what you want. Oh, for general purposes, if you pass the path as a variable, it *MUST* be an integer variable, not a byte.. > Considering the nature of OS-9 and it's tendency to have unix > like redirection, I'm surprised MW made it this difficult for > Basic09 to be able to handle the device it is dealing with. I've > gotten to the point where yes when done right, the program KNOWS > what device it is using, but acts completely different and is now > returning error #55(subscript out of range) at the first line that > test which device name(number) it is. > > Here's a snippet... > > 10 RUN syscall($8D,regs) > BASE 0 > > (* This is where I get the error 55 > IF optbuffer(pd_dtp)=0 THEN (* If Std Input is from Keyboard then > do... How are you getting pd_dtp? You would have to have done _gs_opt to get this.. What's optbuffer? > And then further down, checks if it is from a file(rbf) > > IF redirect THEN > IF optbuffer(pd_dtp)=1 THEN (* If Std Input is redirected from a file > And, then, from Pipe... > IF optbuffer(pd_dtp)=2 THEN (* If Std Input is redirected from a pipe Is optbuffer an opt buffer gotten by _gs_opt? If so, then you need to have set this up by a TYPE statement.. And this would have to be referenced as "optbuffer.pd_dtp" If you're just trying to determine the device type, then you don't need the devname call, just the gs_opt call (actually, do a GetStt using the SS.Opt number. Again, it is possible that you could utilize "gfx3" for this.. I know this call is in there.. However, you need to set up an Opt buffer with the TYPE statement. Look into your Tech Manual at the Opt buffer, or look at your os9defs file in your SYS directory.. Set up the buffer def, using BYTE types for 1-byte values, and INTEGER's for two-byte values. Now you are on your way. > Now, you noticed, I numbered them in this case, 0,1,2. > Previously Randy told me why not to do this, unless I use a base > of 0 I believe(which I do in this case), because base refers to > the offset, and not the actual item number. Now I've tried > numbering both as 1,2,3 and 0,1,2 with every combination of base 0 > and 1 and it still isn't working. Of course, it was nice of Tandy > to point this stuff out in the manual, but I digress... It _is_ in the manual, of sorts.. you just have to interpret it a little > Previously, it was working fine in the basic environment, but > the only way I could test the redirected input was after packing > it and using it from the command line since the command mode in > basic09 won't let you do it. That is when I started getting the > error 55. It came pretty close a few times, The reason it works differently each time is that B09 _could_ be leaving the variables randomized with whatever value happens to be in the space allocated for that variable, and not set to zero.. I can't remember.. It seems that between RS-Basic and Basic09, one presets all initialized variables to zero and the other doesn't... it's been a while.. But, from what I'm looking at, you may not be going at the problem in the way you think you are. If you want to, give us a capsule review of exactly what you are trying to do.. As I said, if all you are trying to do is determine the TYPE of device you are reading, then you don't need gs_devnm, but the gs_opt call.. or it seems more applicable. If you're trying to determine the type from the name, you have a lot of variances to consider... Just for drives, you have /d0, /d1, /d2, /h0, on... And how many serial devices do we have?. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93314 16-AUG 21:58 General Information RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93217) From: THETAURUS To: DBREEDING >>I'm not sure what you are doing, there....A value?<< It seems like that is what's being returned. From where I'm at now(basically where I have been for the last year), it now looks as though, it's not a problem of figuring out what the the device using the path 0 is, but more or less, the program isn't correctly able to recieve the data in proper fashion. I ran tests which would print the number returned by the syscall(this is using my PD_DTP call) and they came back steady. So I'm finding that it most likely is recognising the right device and the call itself is working. It is how the data is handled afterwards which is the problem. I honestly can't figure out why, as the code looks rather straighforward, and if the compiterpretor is worth anything, it wouldn't be causing me grief with it(grin). By the way yes, the call I'm using is a getstat, SS.opt(as it is called in the book). The buffer it reads is the PD.opt section which is, I believe 32 or so bytes long(whatever I wrote in the program). Where I'm at now, my parameter reading section is rather clumsy looking, and I'm looking into another way of reading the options off the command line as I think problems with that area alone are responsible for me getting 6 different results for every 5 times I run it. I'm serious, this program is mega diced up now, I really brought the axe out on this one. Partly my fault for letting so much time lapse between sessions with it(which I can't help), therefore causing me to forget a lot of details, and also mostly I'm blaming Tandy and it's manuals again for dropping the ball(on my foot), and not educating me on these pitfalls ;-) After that, I have to check on the sections following each IF statement that determines the device. My dream is to find a way to use one input or get routine to use for each device, but I gather each one has a different way of gathering filenames. >>The reason it works differently each time is that B09 _could_ be leaving the variables randomized with whatever value happens to be in the space...<< Yes, Basic09 does this, and that is probably the problem here. I had to insert a couple more variables to be preinit'd. I'll have to print it out and check for more loose cannons. See Ya >Chris< 'the tired and confused' -*- 93328 18-AUG 01:02 General Information RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93314) From: DBREEDING To: THETAURUS > >>I'm not sure what you are doing, there....A value?<< > > It seems like that is what's being returned. From where I'm at > now(basically where I have been for the last year), it now looks > as though, it's not a problem of figuring out what the the device > using the path 0 is, but more or less, the program isn't correctly > able to recieve the data in proper fashion. I ran tests which > would print the number returned by the syscall(this is using my > PD_DTP call) and they came back steady. So I'm finding that it > most likely is recognising the right device and the call itself is > working. It is how the data is handled afterwards which is the > problem. I honestly can't figure out why, as the code looks rather > straighforward, and if the compiterpretor is worth anything, it > wouldn't be causing me grief with it(grin). > > By the way yes, the call I'm using is a getstat, SS.opt(as it is > called in the book). The buffer it reads is the PD.opt section > which is, I believe 32 or so bytes long(whatever I wrote in the > program). I think I already told you this, I can't remember. But if I remember correctly, you had attempted to create a 32-byte ARRAY. You can't do it this way. What you need to do is set up a structure, using the TYPE statement. Look in your manual at the OPT structure. Set up the structure by defining each element using as much similar name as you can. Where the element is one byte, set it up as a BYTE, where it is two bytes, set it up as INTEGER. Then you DIM a variable to this type, say DOPT. Then, to read the device type, just read the variable DOPT.TYP (or whatever). > After that, I have to check on the sections following each IF > statement that determines the device. My dream is to find a way to > use one input or get routine to use for each device, but I gather > each one has a different way of gathering filenames. I've forgotten what you are doing.. You're reading a directory, right? Maybe if you refreshed our memories on what you are doing..? -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- End of Thread. -*- 93106 23-JUL 01:56 General Information RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 93039) From: DBREEDING To: DIGIGRADE Hey, Digigrade, long time, no see... > (boy, what a thread, nerds with ovens :) Heh-heh.. _this_ bunch is liable to talk about _anything_ -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93219 3-AUG 02:03 General Information RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 93074) From: DIGIGRADE To: ISC Actually, I have been eating better. Geez seemed like ages ago I posted that. Or wrote it that is. Stir fry vegitables (yes vegi-tables), chicken & rice (golden sautee' mostly) and the occasional meat or pasta dish. You can add a potato to just about anything too. Dave -*- End of Thread. -*- 93107 23-JUL 01:56 General Information RE: IX is back in action (Re: Msg 93040) From: DBREEDING To: DIGIGRADE > Well guys, after spending 3 months getting aquainted with my new > Macintosh, I have decided to give equal time back to my MM/1. I have Glad to see ya back. How does it feel being back on "good" machine ;-) > powered up InfoXpress again and found requests waiting! Well, I had to > delete most of them because people think your a real dweeb responding > to a 3 month old message. > Anyhow, part of why I'm back on the MM/1 day to day is because > Delphi readers for other machines are grotesque. > I have to thank you again Bill for > such an awesome mail reader! To think a program this useful is actually > on OS9/6809 is hard. The like hasn't been seen for allmost a decade. IMO, it _is_ a truly great piece of work. I depend on it entirely for my mail here and on CI$ -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93260 8-AUG 16:01 General Information RE: IX is back in action (Re: Msg 93107) From: DIGIGRADE To: DBREEDING > > Well guys, after spending 3 months getting aquainted with my new > > Macintosh, I have decided to give equal time back to my MM/1. I have > > Glad to see ya back. How does it feel being back on "good" > machine ;-) Feels great! I'm ready to buy the next great OS9 machine though, the MM/1's getting a little old. Now if there could be an MM/x with a 68040 like my Macintosh, I'm shure it would be a success. BTW, anyone know why we can't plug in an '040? What upgrades could be made to the MM/1? (I.E. CPUs & Co-Processors) Are there enough programmers left or do they all work for Microware now? :) -*- 93262 8-AUG 21:03 General Information RE: IX is back in action (Re: Msg 93260) From: DSRTFOX To: DIGIGRADE On 8-AUG 16:01 DIGIGRADE said to DBREEDING > > > Well guys, after spending 3 months getting aquainted with my new > > > Macintosh, I have decided to give equal time back to my MM/1. I >have > > > Glad to see ya back. How does it feel being back on "good" > > machine ;-) > Feels great! I'm ready to buy the next great OS9 machine though, > the MM/1's getting a little old. Now if there could be an MM/x with a > 68040 like my Macintosh, I'm shure it would be a success. BTW, anyone >know why we can't plug in an '040? What upgrades could be made to the >MM/1? (I.E. CPUs & Co-Processors) Are there enough programmers left or >do they all work for Microware now? :) Bill Wittman has a few 68340 accellerator kits available. Try getting in touch with him about that! Francis (Frank) Swygert Publisher, "the world of 68' micros" Magazine `[1;30;41mRainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Registered -*- 93263 9-AUG 07:21 General Information RE: IX is back in action (Re: Msg 93260) From: JEJONES To: DIGIGRADE > Feels great! I'm ready to buy the next great OS9 machine though, > the MM/1's getting a little old. Only a little, IMHO--I plan to keep using mine for some time. The only things that I really wish were different are - the decision to go with XT-flavored keyboards. (That's one that I really can't figure.) - tying it to the VSC chip. (I guess the thought of doing CD-i sorts of things, or maybe video a la Amiga, was tempting, but OTOH, it was getting hard to find 15.whatever KHz scan rate monitors even then, and I'd really like to have more text on the screen and nicer fonts than one can do in 8 * 8.) (There's a minor thing or two I wish were different, notably that I wish the boards and such would go in PClonish cases without drilling and other finagling. I want to switch to one of those dual 3.5/5.25" floppies, and I'd like to go to a minitower case so one wouldn't have to pull all the peripherals to move any of them.) I may have to check out the 10 Mbyte hack; I ran out of RAM compiling lout with Ultra C. (lout does some of the kinds of things that X windows source does (or did last time I looked at it), namely heavily used the preprocessor to do the moral equivalent of inlining.) > Now if there could be an MM/x with a > 68040 like my Macintosh, I'm shure it would be a success. BTW, anyone > know why we can't plug in an '040? Probably the main thing is that the 68340, like the 68070, has some on-chip hardware that the 040 doesn't. (DMA and serial I/O come to mind.) > What upgrades could be made to the MM/1? (I.E. CPUs & Co-Processors) You'd have to ask a hardware person that question. Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. -*- 93281 12-AUG 14:53 General Information RE: IX is back in action (Re: Msg 93260) From: DBREEDING To: DIGIGRADE > > > Well guys, after spending 3 months getting aquainted with my new > > > Macintosh, I have decided to give equal time back to my MM/1. I have > > > > Glad to see ya back. How does it feel being back on "good" > > machine ;-) > > Feels great! I'm ready to buy the next great OS9 machine though, > the MM/1's getting a little old. Great to see such enthusiasm. I dunno whether I'd worry about my MM/1 yet. It has a few features that are really neat. > Now if there could be an MM/x with a > 68040 like my Macintosh, I'm shure it would be a success. BTW, anyone > know why we can't plug in an '040? A 68040 would be neat. My system, a System 5, has a plug-in CPU board. As of now, the highest CPU available is a 33 MHz 68020. I am a little afraid, though that it will not be economically feasible for them to design any further CPU boards. I really don't know about the demand. > Are there enough programmers left or do > they all work for Microware now? :) Heh-heh.. MW may be getting all of them ... I have not seen anything -new- coming out lately. There have been some upgrades to software. But you never know when something will pop up. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- End of Thread. -*- 93108 23-JUL 01:56 General Information RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93061) From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40 > The only real problems that I have had was with the "bugs" > in OS-9 L2. > But, since my > last HD crash I have had to rebuild my boot and find that I > am having some of those problems again. I get lost and/or > garbaged characters in the forum messages, I lose my cursor > after leaving Mail and the Internet, etc. All I have to do > is try to remember what I did before. I remember the thread about the disappearing cursor.. I will see if I have the messages saved... It's easy to forget what you did several months ago.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93110 23-JUL 01:57 General Information RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93062) From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40 > >Perhaps your MPI could be doing something in your case, too? > > I agree that the posibility is there that the MPI could be at > fault. But, I was using it with my 6809 CoCo long before I ever > decided to go with a 6309. I had no problems hardware wise that > I can remember. I think my MPI did alright once but suddely it did not do certain floppy I/O stuff.. > Like I said earlier, this CoCo has been more > than trustworthy. Come to think of it, the only hardware pro- > blems that I really have had were my HDs dieing on me left and > right. I must say that I certainly got some tremendously good service out of my cocos. I don't think I ever had a single breakdown in the computer itself.. except once I had to reseat my GIME.. > Maybe someone (Tony D.) can invent an IDE interface to > the CoCo. Then I can just buy a new one and not worry about it > for about 5 years or so! That would be the best solution. I would certainly like to see a single cartridge handle the whole thing. I have an SC-2 and a 4-in-1 board for my coco, but the only drawback is that the RS-232 port does not support RTS/CTS. I understand that he did have a few cards that did do this, but at the time, I was getting my OSK system and I just didn't see buying another 4-in-1. I think it would be great to see an additional serial port on the card, too. I think this would really help. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93119 23-JUL 12:01 General Information RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93108) From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING Hi Dave, >... It's easy to forget what you did several months ago. What I did was more like back in '92 and '93. That is a long way back to try to remember what one did to fix something, especially when it is a one time fix. The disappearing cursor happens just as I exit MAIL. I have a cursor in MAIL. The same thing hap- pens on the Internet. And these blasted random characters that just creep onto my screen at the cursor, drive me batty, especially in a situation like now when I am replying to a message. If I see that I made a mistake and go to backspace, if there are any of those random characters I have to backspace that many less spaces or my text looks $%&#%$!y. That last bunch of characters was meant as an explative and were not random. That is just about what I see though. Most of the time it is just a pair of dots as in .. ! They do disappear when I am finished with the message, where they go is beyond me and why they appear is baffeling(sp). Oh well... Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 93120 23-JUL 12:17 General Information RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93110) From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING Hello again... >I think it would be great to see an additional serial port on the >card, too. Problem is though, why would anyone go to such lengths to make new periferals(sp) for an obsolete machine? It is like these people that restore very old cars like from the 30s, say. If, they need to replace something that is no longer made commer- cially they will either have to make it themselves or pay out the BIG $$$ to have someone do it for them. I guess part of it is nostalgic. I guess we CoCo users are just going to have to face the fact that we will eventually have to upgrade to the newer OS9/68XXX machines. The CoCo just will not last forever, dispite what we may feel about it! Am I trying to convince myself to buy one of these newer machines? Maybe so! Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 93135 23-JUL 20:25 General Information RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93119) From: GREGL To: 01GEN40 Just went into Mail with monitor on and see that it sends 1B 3E 1B 5B on exit. I think one of these is the "cursor off" command in OS-9. Actually it means something to VT-100 terminals but OS-9 interprets it as "cursor off." -- Greg -*- 93144 25-JUL 20:08 General Information RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93120) From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40 > >I think it would be great to see an additional serial port on the > >card, too. > > Problem is though, why would anyone go to such lengths to make > new periferals(sp) for an obsolete machine? You are definitely right. I guess I like to sit and daydream... > . I guess we CoCo users are just going to have to > face the fact that we will eventually have to upgrade to the newer > OS9/68XXX machines. The CoCo just will not last forever, dispite > what we may feel about it! Yes. That is the main reason that I decided to upgrade. I still love the CoCo immensely. I go back to it to do a few things at times and it's actually a good feeling. But the reality of the fact is, as you mentioned, that there will come a time where you can't get parts for them and it would be impractical to make a lot of the stuff yourself, even if you have the capability. > Am I trying to convince myself to buy > one of these newer machines? Maybe so! I must say that I am totally thrilled with my OSK system. Sometimes I look around and see the stuff that is available for the "mainstreams", but when I see what I can do with this one, it begins to matter less. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93177 30-JUL 11:52 General Information RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93144) From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING Hi Dave, Ya know, it is quite funny you should mention not being able to get parts for our beloved CoCo. I just received another "hands on" kit for this course I am taking and with it came a few notices that 2 of the original parts, 1 an IC, are no longer available so they put in a suitable replacement for them with information, schematics and pinouts so I can adapt them correctly. Out with the old and in with the new and improved I guess. I have noticed that the information being conveyed in the lessons is about 5 years out of date. I guess it just takes time for them to get the material updated. Some of it has been, say, to about 2 years ago. But, some af the lessons still state that a 40 Meg HD is the maximum size. Oh well... Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 93187 30-JUL 22:11 General Information RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93177) From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40 > Ya know, it is quite funny you should mention not being able to > get parts for our beloved CoCo. I just received another "hands > on" kit for this course I am taking and with it came a few notices > that 2 of the original parts, 1 an IC, are no longer available so > they put in a suitable replacement for them Well, as long as one can at least substitute a part, things will be OK.. The problem for people like me, who don't really have a good grasp of what the chips are, it will become a little more difficult.. > I have noticed > that the information being conveyed in the lessons is about 5 > years out of date. I guess it just takes time for them to get > the material updated. I guess that is to be expected.. It does take time to get the books published and the like.. > . But, some af the lessons still state that a 40 Meg HD is the > maximum size. Wow! You mean a whole, full 40 Meg??? I'd consider 40 meg as a minimum for a coco, now.. When I installed a HD on my coco - I'd guess about 5 years ago - I looked and saw that at that time the most cost-effective size was 80 meg, and I had thoughts of upgrading to an OSK machine or PC and thought I'd be able to move it over, so I got it. I usually keep around 20 meg on it... Actually, I think it formatted out to about 70 Meg. All the room I'll ever need for the coco, but hardly enough for anything else.. I have about 90 Meg tied up on my OSK machine right now (it's a 210), but this will grow, I'm sure. I try to keep old text files and stuff cleaned off, but there's always a little junk lying around.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93249 6-AUG 12:31 General Information RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93187) From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING Hi Dave, re: Substitute chips... Well, like you, I do not have a full grasp of the chips either, that is why I am taking this course and trying to learn these things. It is quite tough! I should have started with this endevour many more years ago when my brain was still young enough to fully comprehend things. Oh welll... re: Hard drives... The lesson I am currently doing has just mentioned that HDs are now having capacities OVER 100 Megs. Shees, I see adds for HDs over the gigabyte mark! Is that behind the times or what? The technology of computers is far in advance and continuing to ad- vance by leaps and bounds. It is no wonder that school books are so far behind. I read different computer related magazines so that I can keep current with the newest of trends. These lessons have not even mentioned the Pentium yet. They have mentioned the 486 but they stick predomonantly with the 386 and under. As far as MS-DOS goes, they have not mentioned any version over V5.0. I am using V6.22 at work and see that some of the earlier utilities and such, mentioned in the lessons, are no longer a part of DOS. There was one utility in particular, they had talked about, that I wanted to try at work. I do not even remember what it was, but it is no longer with the newer DOS. Oh well, such as it seems... Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 93256 7-AUG 01:28 General Information RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93249) From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40 > Well, like you, I do not have a full grasp of the chips either, > that is why I am taking this course and trying to learn these > things. It is quite tough! I should have started with this > endevour many more years ago when my brain was still young enough > to fully comprehend things. I always have had an interest in electronics but never did get started. As with your comment, I think I have waited too long to get started now. > The lesson I am currently doing has just mentioned that HDs are > now having capacities OVER 100 Megs. Shees, I see adds for HDs > over the gigabyte mark! Is that behind the times or what? I'd say yes. I wonder just how long it takes from the time a rough draft for a book is submitted till it is finally published. And in the case of schools, after the book comes out, how long does it take before it is adopted by the school and then till it is actually put to use? No doubt that current technology has made several leaps during this time frame. If what you're taking is a correspondence course, I'd say these schools may not be very fast to change.. just a guess here, though. The > technology of computers is far in advance and continuing to ad- > vance by leaps and bounds. It is no wonder that school books are > so far behind. I read different computer related magazines so that > I can keep current with the newest of trends. This is the best way to do so, IMO.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93287 13-AUG 11:47 General Information RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93256) From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING Hi Dave, Yes, the course I am taking is a corresondence one. I like this because I can pace myself as I like, learn at my own speed rather than that set down in a classroom. If I do not understand something right away I can go through and redo the lesson without the fear of "falling behind the rest of the class". I feel that I must be learning something too. I had to build an esperiment lab for doing different circuit experiments. Part of the lab is a function generator that generates a square and triangular waveform in low, medium and high frequency. It uses a 1458 dual op-amp. I was having major problems with generating a waveform in low frequency. Medium and high worked fine. My initial suspicion was the 1458. They had supplied me with a 4558, my guess it was a pin for pin compatible IC. I went and bought a couple of 1458s. For about 3 days I kept checking different sections of the gener- ator and even all my solder joints. Nothing affected any major change. I was able to get it to work sometimes but when it was used in a test circuit, it quit. A freind of mine brought over his O-Scope and we discovered that the signal would always go high. I replaced the 4558 with a 1458 and it works flawlessly now. My first instinct was correct afterall. My freind has let me use his scope for an indeterminant amount of time, so I think I my try to diagnos my ailling 6309 CoCo. A little "hands on" experience if you will. Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 93297 13-AUG 21:50 General Information RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93287) From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40 > Yes, the course I am taking is a corresondence one. I like this > because I can pace myself as I like, learn at my own speed rather > than that set down in a classroom. If I do not understand something > right away I can go through and redo the lesson without the fear of > "falling behind the rest of the class". Yes, a correspondence course in something like this is the way to go. For someone who is holding a job, classroom courses are quite inconvenient, to say the least. > My freind has let me use his scope for an indeterminant amount > of time, so I think I my try to diagnos my ailling 6309 CoCo. A > little "hands on" experience if you will. If I were going to do much electronic work, a 'scope would be one of my first purchases. I have the Tech Manual for the CoCo. From what I can determine from looking at the manual, a scope is almost indespensable in tracking down some problems. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93351 20-AUG 11:51 General Information RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93297) From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING Hi Dave, I, too, have the Service manual for the CoCo 3 and I agree, it does look as if a scope would be an indespensable tool in diagnosing problems. I have been experimenting with it, keeping it hooked up to my experimental lab. It sure is nice to see a display of what is happening in my test circuits rather than to try to picture what is happening just by looking at the readings of my multi-meter. I am really having a blast with my current experiments. They are dealing with logic circuits. I still have the last circuit on the lab and it looks like a mass of green sspaghetti. The coomponents consist of 2 4013 ICs. I must have 20 or more wires hooking the ICs together creating a 4 stage ripple counter. I already knew what the outcome of this experiment would be before I built the circuit. With 4 inputs, there are 2 to the 4th power outputs or 16. Piece of cake. I wanted to see how the LEDs would respond, so I built the circuit anyway and I was right, there were 16 different LED responses. Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- End of Thread. -*- 93112 23-JUL 01:57 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93050) From: DBREEDING To: KNOT1 > And thanks again to > Dave (NIMITZ) who's been quite helpful all along. *smile* Hopefully you will be up to speed soon. I'm sure NIMITZ and the rest of us will be happy to give you all the assistance possible to get you up going. It's really bad that you weren't able to get your system going from the start. You have lost a lot of time in getting everything together, but maybe now, you will be able to continue. It takes time to get a system put together the way you want it. We've talked before.. Do you use your computer in business or is it strictly personal use? If you need any suggestions on software, be sure to ask.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93125 23-JUL 15:03 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93088) From: NIMITZ To: KNOT1 BlackHawk Enterprises, Inc. P.O. Box 10552 Enid, OK 73706-0552 -*- 93143 25-JUL 03:48 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93112) From: KNOT1 To: DBREEDING Yeah, I was rather disappointed about it not working out either, at the time. I had been rather excited about getting a new, powerful machine that still did all the things my Coco did and more (OS-9) in particular. But things got messed up with my order at IMS, and then they went out of business before it was fixed. Even more unfortunate is that I don't have the extra money I had had at the time back then. So I had stuck with my CoCo which was still working and had a HD, and it kept me happy enough. :-) Then it died and so back came the MM/1, which I had been trying to get back up to speed beforehand as well. Just sorta became more important now. :-) To answer your question, I use it just for personal use. And nicely enough, I found if you copy all the right stuff to a floppy, you actually *can* compile C with a one floppy MM/1. Just the trick of grabbing the right stuff from different disks. :-) Now I just need to figure all the differences, like how to do the _os9() call on it. :-) So here's to getting things all up to speed, and you can be sure I'll be asking if need help. :-) - Jamie (KNOT1 / internet"wilmoth@msen.com") - -*- 93161 26-JUL 20:41 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93143) From: DBREEDING To: KNOT1 > Yeah, I was rather disappointed about it not working out either, > at the time. I had been rather excited about getting a new, powerful > machine that still did all the things my Coco did and more (OS-9) in > particular. But things got messed up with my order at IMS, I can imagine how disappointing that would be. > So I had stuck with my CoCo which was still working and had a HD, and > it kept me happy enough. :-) Then it died and so back came the MM/1, The CoCo still is a match for most other systems in many respects even now. The biggest drawback to it now is its speed on intensive stuff, but it does well. > To answer your question, I use it just for personal use. And nicely > enough, I found if you copy all the right stuff to a floppy, you > actually *can* compile C with a one floppy MM/1. Just the trick of > grabbing the right stuff from different disks. :-) My use is strictly personal, too.. well, I do keep my business records on it, but they are quite simple. With judicious care, you _can_ do well with a floppy. I believe I could have gotten by on the coco for a long time with one 360 and two 720's. I never tried it, but I think it would have gotten me by. Of course, after getting used to a HD, anything seems slow.. And to think.. at one time, we thought we were flying if we had a tape recorder > Now I just need to figure all the differences, like how to do the > _os9() call on it. :-) They _do_ work a little differently. Do you have much trouble with the difference between the parameters between the coco and OSK? I mean where OSK precedes most parameters with "-", it gets a little confusing at times. > So here's to getting things all up to speed, and you can be sure > I'll be asking if need help. :-) I'm sure everyone will be quite happy to help. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93195 31-JUL 20:44 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93161) From: KNOT1 To: DBREEDING Yes, I still have my tape recorder right next to my computer! Right under my 2400bps modem, which is under my high speed modem. Sorta like archeology. :-) Yep, I'm gonna pick up a second floppy drive sometime soon, and hopefully an I/O board or another before long. Oh, you or anyone know how to print with an MM/1 with no I/O board? I wanted to print something out, then realized I didn't have a printer port, and the modem connection was different. - Jamie (KNOT1 / internet"wilmoth@msen.com") - -*- 93199 31-JUL 23:38 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93161) From: KNOT1 To: DBREEDING And oh, re the _os9() function.. I'm not really up on the differences at all, no, as I don't have any docs other than for my Coco OS-9 Level II. Are there new docs available for the MM/1 either on-line or for sale that would help me with all the different things of the MM/1? I had only gotten a few sheets of paper explaining hot to put the MM/1 together and some stuff like that. It'd certainly be of help. I wouldn't have to guess at it so much. :-) Thanks. - Jamie (KNOT1 / internet"wilmoth@msen.com") - -*- 93202 31-JUL 23:45 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93195) From: DBREEDING To: KNOT1 > Yes, I still have my tape recorder right next to my computer! Right > under my 2400bps modem, which is under my high speed modem. Sorta > like archeology. :-) Heh-heh.. The old stuff does bring back fond memories... I never connected a modem faster than 2400 to my coco.. BTW.. this question is addressed to anyone.. I had SACIA installed on my coco, but every time I tried a 19.2 K-baud connect, my whole system would crash.. I think I tried the buffer size at maximum.. Was this normal? > Yep, I'm gonna pick up a second floppy drive sometime soon, and > hopefully an I/O board or another before long. The I/O board would be the best bet.. It has the HD interface, doesn't it? I just have the one 1.44 floppy on mine. I've thought of adding another one, can't make up my mind as to what size I'd want, whether it would be best to use a 5 1/4 or another 3.5... For coco transfers, I just use the "sneaker net" method of using a 720 K 3.5 transferred back and forth.. I could connect them via serial ports, but my setup is kinda unhandy to get them close enough > Oh, you or anyone know how to print with an MM/1 with no I/O > board? I wanted to print something out, then realized I didn't > have a printer port, and the modem connection was different. Do you have a serial printer driver where you could use one of your serial ports? If not, maybe someone has one you could install. Hmmm... I just looked at my "devs".. I have a "p1" descriptor, and it uses "sc68681" the same as my modem driver... perhaps all you need is a serial printer cable.. and either a serial printer or serial-parallel converter.. I'm not sure if a CoCo converter would work. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93203 1-AUG 00:02 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93199) From: DBREEDING To: KNOT1 > And oh, re the _os9() function.. I'm not really up on the differences > at all, I just looked in my manual... it doesn't list the _os9() function.. I believe this is an Ultra C call. I was thinking of the function os9exec().. I _think_ it is a little different from the coco in its parameters.. The description for the function takes up 2 pages.. > Are there new docs available for the MM/1 either on-line > or for sale that would help me with all the different things of the > MM/1? I don't know of anything online.. perhaps someone does.. You can purchase the manuals from MicroWare, but the are rather proud of them.. I _think_ they charge about $200 for them.. It could be that Nimitz might have some special deal where he might be able to give you a break.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93220 3-AUG 03:10 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93203) From: KNOT1 To: DBREEDING Hmmm, I'll try and check into the serial printer port, or might just have to do without until the I/O board. $200 for docs? Geesh, you just about buy a not to bad a hard drive for that. They must be very proud it would seem. :-) About the coco and faster than 2400 bps. I was about to 9600 under my own term program, which dynamicly sized reads and writes to keep up with the flow, but would still occationally miss a few characters at that speed. At 4800 it would run quite nicely, with no real problems, even futzin' around in another window. Well, the main thing is I can get on-line with what I do have. Will just be a matter of working up to better things. Gives ya' something to look forward to. *smirk* And oh, the floppy drives. My choice was for two 3.5" ones, as I also had a 720K 3.5" for my Coco and the High Density ones could still read that, and then I could use it for copying MM/1 floppies as well. Plus right now, why I want it, is so that I can leave the boot disk in drive and work on other disks as well, and not have to pop it out and pop in the boot one to load in some misc. little command I want to use that's not already in memory, which is what I have to do currently. Would basicly make life easier until I get that hard drive. :-) And speaking of docs and ports, I was looking over those set-up sheets I got from IMS with my MM/1, and it does seem to show a sound connector (P5) by the power light and video ones. Is that port conveniently useful, or that basicly to connect to the I/O board or something? - Jamie - -*- 93230 4-AUG 20:09 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93220) From: DBREEDING To: KNOT1 > Hmmm, I'll try and check into the serial printer port, or might just > have to do without until the I/O board. $200 for docs? Geesh, you > just about buy a not to bad a hard drive for that. They must be very > proud it would seem. :-) It seems that I'm correct in the price for the docs. It is a bunch, but I guess it might be worth it if you didn't have them.. It might not be too hard to get a serial port up and running. Did you check your install disks to see if there are any device descriptors by the name of "p1" or the like? If not, I'm sure you could edit one of your comm drivers or if you have source for one, just edit this and assemble under a name you like.. Mine is p1, sounds logical.. > About the coco and faster than 2400 bps. I was about to 9600 under > At 4800 it would run quite nicely, with no real > problems, even futzin' around in another window. If I remember correctly, this is about my experience. It seems that at 9600, I would get a few misses. At 19.2, I think I said already, it was total crash. > Well, the main thing is I can get on-line with what I do have. Will > just be a matter of working up to better things. Gives ya' something > to look forward to. *smirk* Hopefully you can upgrade fairly painlessly now. > And speaking of docs and ports, I was looking over those set-up > sheets I got from IMS with my MM/1, and it does seem to show a sound > connector (P5) by the power light and video ones. Is that port > conveniently useful, or that basicly to connect to the I/O board or > something? I really don't know.. I don't have an MM/1 so am not familiar with the connections. Perhaps someone here will shed a little light on it.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93232 5-AUG 01:08 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93220) From: WA2EGP To: KNOT1 P5 is a "sound output location. Pin 1 is sound-out, pin 2 grounded. Same as sound output on the CM-8 monitor." That is from my docs. I hooked up the speaker in the case to that (I think). Hard to tell now with all the stuff I got crammed into that box. Any other questions, let me know. I might be able to answer them (grin). -*- 93240 5-AUG 21:57 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93230) From: KNOT1 To: DBREEDING Yes, I'm very sure there are descriptors of "p1" and such, but could for the I/O board and parallel. I'll have to play around with it and try it when want it bad enough to make a new boot disk. Hmmmm, if really desparate enough, I could hook up my old Coco *2* sitting around (assuming it still runs) with the floppies and printer, write what I want from the MM/1 onto a Coco readable disk and use the Coco 2 to print it. Now there's a slightly convulted process for ya. :-) Hmmm, small glitch: Would have to be RSDOS readable. Ahh well, can't win them all. :-) -*- 93241 5-AUG 22:01 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93232) From: KNOT1 To: WA2EGP Ahhh, nice. I'll jot that all down, and next time got the case open will take a look at it. If works with the internal speaker, you might have thought they'd at least mention that, if not actually hook it up to it. :-) I do get the 'beep' on boot up, but nothing else. I was thinking of at least getting so I could hear the bell tone when a character 0x07 is sent to a window. :-) - Jamie - -*- 93247 6-AUG 01:32 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93240) From: DBREEDING To: KNOT1 > Yes, I'm very sure there are descriptors of "p1" and such, but could > for the I/O board and parallel. I'd suspect that if you have a "p1" it might well be serial.. Of course the descriptors might vary from system to system, but I have a "/p", which is parallel, and also a "/p1", but it is serial. > I'll have to play around with it and > try it when want it bad enough to make a new boot disk. It isn't that hard to make a boot disk. OS9Gen works practically like the CoCo Os9Gen. Only a couple of variables different.. I suppose you know that you can type about any command and follow it with "-?" and it will give you a brief descriptionof the commands. however, you don't even have to make a boot disk. If you have that serial printer descriptor, just load it. If you don't have a serial printer dscr. do you have source code for /t1 or the like? if so, you can change the name of it and reset your initialization settings and assemble a new one. Or... for test purposes, just take one of your /t? descriptors, xmode the correct values in, hook it to a serial printer and list something >/t? It should work... > Hmmmm, if really desparate enough, I could hook up my old Coco *2* > sitting around (assuming it still runs) with the floppies and printer, Do you have OS9 Level 1? You might want to find one of the modified CCDisks that will read double-sided disks and go from there.. > Now there's a slightly convulted process > for ya. :-) Yeah, it is.. If you can get a printer connected to your MM/1, I think you would be happier. > Hmmm, small glitch: Would have to be RSDOS readable. See above... > Ahh well, can't win them all. :-) Yeah, you can.. just have faith -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93255 7-AUG 01:16 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93240) From: WA2EGP To: KNOT1 the /tX descriptors are serial ports, the /pX descriptors are parallel ports. I put in connectors for /p and /p1 but haven't used /p1 yet. I may be wrong but I thought I heard (saw?) that /p1 doesn't work so well. Of course, I never had to run two printers at once (grin). I have heard of people hooking up a serial printer to one of the /tX ports but I don't have any details on that. Heck, you might be able to pick up an old 9 pin (head), parallel printer at a fleamarket for cheap. (Got one for $5 once.....it worked too!) Or borrow one from a PC friend. If you have the basic system, you do have /t0 so you could try that for a serial printer. -*- 93258 7-AUG 13:49 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93255) From: MITHELEN To: WA2EGP Both parallel ports work equally as well, as long as you don't use them at the same time... -- Paul -*- 93259 7-AUG 23:25 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93258) From: WA2EGP To: MITHELEN Aw gee! Ya can't? (grin) I don't think I would even try but I guess if someone did have a reason to, there might be a "work around" that would possibly solve the problem. This OS-9 bunch is a rather imaginative group. -*- 93270 10-AUG 21:26 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93255) From: DBREEDING To: WA2EGP I'm addressing this to the wrong person, but I'll just leave it this way > the /tX descriptors are serial ports, the /pX descriptors are parallel > ports. I put in connectors for /p and /p1 but haven't used /p1 yet. I guess that depends on the system.. My "/p1" (on a Delmar) is a serial printer descriptor.. It's linked to sc68681. > I have heard of people hooking > up a serial printer to one of the /tX ports but I don't have any details > on that. Since mine depends on sc68681, it appears all you have to do is to "xmode" the parameters. Probably all you might need to change is the "lf" option, but others might need changing, too.. FWIW, here's my xmode for my p1, if it will help: 1.win: xmode /p1 noupc nobsb bsl noecho lf null=0 nopause pag=66 bsp=08 del=18 eor=0D eof=1B reprint=04 dup=01 psc=17 abort=03 quit=05 bse=08 bell=07 type=00 baud=9600 xon=11 xoff=13 tabc=09 tabs=4 Looks like mine has "bsb" set to "no, too. If the printer is set up like for a coco, providing its own linefeeds, you would have to set "lf" to no. It should be just a matter of then getting a cable. I don't know what it would take for that. > If you have the basic system, you > do have /t0 so you could try that for a serial printer. I believe that's what I'd try unless I thought I'd be getting a board quite soon.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93274 11-AUG 01:18 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93270) From: WA2EGP To: DBREEDING I believe the machine in question was an MM/1 in which p1 IS a parallel port. Since it was (supposed to be) originally designed to be a step up from the CoCo and use the same peripherals (like the CM-8 monitor), I wonder how true that is when the basic machine has serial ports but no info on how to hook up your serial printer to it. I know it is easier to get parallel printers but for any one who can just barely afford the basic system, it would have been nice to have this information so they can use the printer they already have. This was the question I remember...how to hook a printer to it. Included was a question about serial printers. -*- 93279 12-AUG 01:29 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93274) From: KNOT1 To: WA2EGP Okay, first off, I did get my update disk! Hurrah! :-) Thanks for the suggestions here and NIMITZ for MM/1 support in providing it and all his other fine products! $Plug$ :-) Really though, it is nice to be more up to speed, even if it did take me a few days to get things running right. One of the main things was the way it boots it looks almost like a crash, so I would always take the disk out at that point. When I finally gave up and left the disk in there to be 'eaten', wha'la it boots up. :-) Now to follow up, yes, it's an MM/1 basic system, with no I/O board yet, but am rappidly saving up for one RSN (actual milage may vary). The printers I have are a Star NX-1000 (appears to be parallel - uses Blue Streak Ultima to connect when had on my CoCo) and of course the old stand-by original Tandy DMP 105, which I believe has both modes, though the serial is that 5-pin din jack on the back. Checking the module disk, there are both /p and /p1 desctriptors, but they don't seem to be included in the standard system boot lists, so assumedly don't work if only have the T0 port. And then, basing from what you and others have suggested, I would mainly need to find a new cable for the printer that connects to it in serial and to the plug on the back of the MM/1 (actually in my case, hanging out the back, as didn't really have a good way to mount them with just some slat-like openings in the back). So that'd probably have to be the DMP105, unless can find a way to still use the Blue Streak adaptor. Also means I wouldn't be using it while modeming I assume. :-) Thanks again, everyone. I'll hopefully soon be uploading here my first program of at least minor significance I've made on my MM/1 with C: A spiffy little 'screen saver' sorta program. Was a good first project. :-) - Jamie - -*- 93285 13-AUG 00:18 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93274) From: DBREEDING To: WA2EGP > I believe the machine in question was an MM/1 in which p1 IS a parallel > port. I know it is easier to > get parallel printers but for any one who can just barely afford the basic > system, it would have been nice to have this information so they can use > the printer they already have. This was the question I remember...how to > hook a printer to it. Included was a question about serial printers. Yes, I know.. I believe he (KNOT1, I believe) was asking what it would take to get it to work... I think all he needs to do is take any serial descriptor, xmode a few variables in it, change its name, if he wants, but doesn't even have to. Then all he needs is a suitable cable.. and about that, I don't know about the pinouts. What you said about info is true. As a matter of fact, the thing -should- have been designed with a parallel port in it to start with. This would have simplified matters tremendously.. I think a standard Centronics- compatible parallel port would have satisfied the needs of 99% of all users. OTOH, as you said, there should have been some info on how to hook a serial printer to the serial port, at the very least. Everyone needs a printer... As a matter of fact, what's the use of providing a driver for a port that is not even included? That is, a port that has to be special ordered? Why not just include these drivers with the board? Of course, I realize I have drivers for devices that were not included with my system, /d1, 1.2 meg floppies, etc, but these are things that any user might go out and by and install themselves, so I can see the use for that, but it does appear they would have just kept the parallel drivers, for example, till one ordered the board. It might have kept down quite a bit of confusion. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93294 13-AUG 19:22 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93195) From: KSCALES To: KNOT1 > Yep, I'm gonna pick up a second floppy drive sometime soon, and > hopefully an I/O board or another before long. Jamie, a lot of us ran without the I/O board for a fair while. I set up my system with 2 HD floppies, plus an 80-track 5.25". I was able to do a lot with this system, and it was significantly more powerful and faster than the CC3 ever was. My first major project was to port the 'sc' spreadsheet over from Unix, and I did most of the 'ispell' port with this same configuration. ("Most" because the 1 meg of system memory was not enough to allow me to process the dictionary hash file -- so I did that on my Unix box at work, and downloaded it. Later, I was able to do it directly on the MM/1 after moving to 3 meg.) Keep at it. And keep pursuing that I/O board, too! I'm sure David will help as much as he can. > Oh, you or anyone know how to print with an MM/1 with no I/O > board? I wanted to print something out, then realized I didn't > have a printer port, and the modem connection was different. Sigh. Can't remember exactly what I did, but I suspect it involved moving the files over to the CC3 ;-( But I think others have mentioned the possibility of using /t1 with a CC3-type serial-to-parallel converter. Good luck... / Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237 -*- 93296 13-AUG 21:46 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93285) From: VAXELF To: DBREEDING At they learned from their mistakes. The MM/1B does come with a built-in parrallel printer port, 2 serial ports, & a partricage in a pear tree. John D. -*- 93302 13-AUG 23:21 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93285) From: WA2EGP To: DBREEDING Well, it certainly does push you to get new stuff for the machine. I mean, hey, I got the software....all I need now is the hardware. If you didn't have the drivers, you might not be as interested in getting the hardware. I guess that IMS probably figured that most people would get the extended (eventually if not ordered at the same time). Gee, maybe that lack of printer info in the basic might just get some people to get the I/O board (grin). -*- 93307 14-AUG 21:06 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93296) From: DBREEDING To: VAXELF > At they learned from their mistakes. The MM/1B does come with a > built-in parrallel printer port, 2 serial ports, & a partricage in a pear > tree. > John D. This is good to hear. I think I remember seeing that the parallel port was included with the MM/1B, but it didn't register strongly because I had forgotten it was not available on the MM/1. Of course, I suppose they were thinking about moving a coco printer over to the MM/1, but I think it would have been far better to have gone with the more standard parallel port. I would think that most people would have non-Radio Shack printers and these would no doubt either have a serial-to-parallel adaptor connected to the already-available parallel port, or a serial adaptor which I would think could be simply removed. This has been one of my biggest hangups in my desire for a Mac. You have to be more picky about your printers, modems and monitors. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93309 15-AUG 20:28 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93307) From: VAXELF To: DBREEDING Also I heard that there is a BETA Version of KWindows for the ET4000 VGA Chip Set. I have not heard anything since, but that and the MM/1B would be the ultiment machine. next someone needs to make a driver for a soundblaster card and we have the makings for a really great system. John D. -*- 93321 17-AUG 21:03 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93302) From: DBREEDING To: WA2EGP > Well, it certainly does push you to get new stuff for the machine. I > mean, hey, I got the software....all I need now is the hardware. > Gee, maybe that lack of printer info in the > basic might just get some people to get the I/O board (grin). Yes, I do believe you have a point there. I think it was a bad decision, though. It could have well been that this lack of immediate compatibility, if you will, might have discouraged buyers. But, again, it seemed the purchasers were there but IMS just could not have delivered. I wonder how much different things might have been had shipments gotten out in relatively orderly fashion. It could well be that the OSK user base would have been much larger. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93330 18-AUG 01:02 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93309) From: DBREEDING To: VAXELF > Also I heard that there is a BETA Version of KWindows for the ET4000 > VGA Chip Set. I would like to have the capability for running KWindows just to have the compatibility. My system has this chipset. Now, if the drivers would be interchangeable, I'd be all set > I have not heard anything since, but that and the MM/1B > would be the ultiment machine. next someone needs to make a driver for a > soundblaster card and we have the makings for a really great system. Yes, that would be neat. I just wonder, though what this would do for us. Most of the audio from CD-ROMS probably is written in Intel code, wouldn't it? I hear that CD writing systems are getting pretty reasonable. Maybe someone will be able to write some stuff for us. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93331 18-AUG 02:02 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93309) From: COCOKIWI To: VAXELF There is a Development system for the AWE32 card!...This is SOME card! I have one! It has provision for up to 32 Meg in memory ON BOARD 2x 16k SIMMS for sound Font files! has MIDI and Speech functions..and also carries a daughter board The WAVE BLASTER Card ...a MIDI card...adds to what is in it!.....and it comes also with a CD-ROM interface,with three kinds of interface, ............... I have THIS software package I had downloaded from the CCBBS that goes into programing this board in some detail....lots of C++ source files ...... It is in a ZIPPED..... FILE.........if interested i can Zap it up to the OS-9 Database...IF anyone is interested.... I have passed this one around before......fairly new!......... DENNIS -*- 93333 18-AUG 20:13 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93330) From: JOHNREED To: DBREEDING > > soundblaster card and we have the makings for a really great system. > > Yes, that would be neat. I just wonder, though what this would do for > us. Most of the audio from CD-ROMS probably is written in Intel code, > wouldn't it? > I have a couple "Multimedia" CDs for my messydos machine - a lot of the sound files are in ".wav" format and are playable on the MM/1. I plugged a couple of them into Boisy's "Linkup" comm program. I would think that an OS-9 "soundblaster" driver would probably play a lot of the stuff that is available with little or no trouble. JohnW -*- 93337 19-AUG 02:49 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93321) From: KNOT1 To: DBREEDING > I wonder how much different things might have been had shipments gotten > out in relatively orderly fashion. It could well be that the OSK > user base would have been much larger. Oh, I'd have to agree with that as well. Those tie-ups with their suppliers really had to cost IMS big. I know I was on campus at the time and had lots of friends looking to get new machines as well, and they seemed quite interested in my descriptions of what the MM/1 could do, and at the time was quite cheap compared to comperable systems. So I kept waiting to show it to them, talking about it, but when it didn't come for so long, it seemed more of a sad joke and they fairly rightly lost interest in it, or had baught others already. I don't blame IMS, but really would have been nice to have seen it take off and become at least semi-popular. - Jamie (KNOT1) - -*- 93339 19-AUG 19:49 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93330) From: VAXELF To: DBREEDING The sound drivers themselves are written in Intel code, but the sound files themselves are not. What will be need is a program that will read the sound files and send them to the OS9 driver. Remember that sound files like MOD files already can be run both CLONES and OS9. Same goes for graphic files what I would like to see for OS9 is a program that can read both the vedio clips and sound and then play them back on the OSK system. But I wonder if the 16MHZ systems like the MM1 and System IV would be fast enough. John D. -*- 93352 20-AUG 12:24 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93337) From: DBREEDING To: KNOT1 (NR) > > I wonder how much different things might have been had shipments gotten > > out in relatively orderly fashion. > > Oh, I'd have to agree with that as well. Those tie-ups with their > suppliers really had to cost IMS big. Yes, it finally destroyed the faith of the public in them. I understand that they were victims of apparently less-than-reliable suppliers, that they were continuously plagued by substitutions of substandard parts by the suppliers etc. > I don't blame IMS, but really would have been nice to have seen it > take off and become at least semi-popular. I don't either. They had a good idea but it just wasn't to be. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93354 20-AUG 12:24 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93339) From: DBREEDING To: VAXELF (NR) > The sound drivers themselves are written in Intel code, but the sound > files themselves are not. What will be need is a program that will read > the sound files and send them to the OS9 driver. Remember that sound files > like MOD files already can be run both CLONES and OS9. Same goes for > graphic files Yes, that is right, all we'd need would be "readers". Of course we already have many of them, I am really not aware of all that we do have. > what I would like to see for OS9 is a program that can read > both the vedio clips and sound and then play them back on the OSK system. > But I wonder if the 16MHZ systems like the MM1 and System IV would be fast > enough. I doubt that these systems would be able to do the graphics fast enough for extremely smooth operation. They might be presentable. I've been told that a System IV has trouble in G-Windows with 28.8 modems using the 68681 ACIA, (but I think it might be a driver thing). I am not familiar with the video clips, but it is my understanding that these are extremely graphics intensive. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- End of Thread. -*- 93116 23-JUL 02:57 Telecom (6809) SuperComm From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON Randy--- Well, I've Got SuperComm up and running! It'll definatelly be more useful for me compared to Warp1. The Capture/List works fast in Warp1 but SuperComm is more flexible. I'm sending the capture buffer to RAM, that way I can list the file quickly and it gets erased when I quit. As far as Terminal colors, I made a B09 Mod to set palette to match rest of system. For the most part, the colors stick except for two places that I see so far. The first place is going to the main screen from the autodial "DIAL" overlay and the other is returning from the Terminal select overlay. Is there any way to short circuit the palette reset at least after dialing? If I could do that the color changes would stay changed except for occasionally. ("R" -reset keeps changes ok) ---Dom -*- 93118 23-JUL 10:36 Telecom (6809) RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93116) From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM Dom, First I must ask, what are your custom colors? If you are just using different screen colors chosen from the default eight "ansi" colors, then we can fix it easily. If you are using totally non-standard colors, we can also fix it, but it will play games with "ansi" screens. Randy -*- 93126 23-JUL 15:08 Telecom (6809) RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93118) From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON Randy--- >...What are your custom colors?... Colors in place after Boot (/w2) --------------------------------- (DEC) 00 36 18 55 09 40 31 63 00 36 18 55 09 40 31 63 --------------------------------- After Custom color changes (/w2) --------------------------------- (DEC) 02 36 18 55 04 00 31 36 00 36 18 55 09 40 31 54 --------------------------------- Changes are (DEC): ----------------- palette:0 From:00 To:02 4 09 04 5 40 00 7 63 36 15 63 54 These are the color changes I am using presently. You say these can easily be made permanent? >...but it will play games with "ansi" screens. ???????? ---Dom Dom -*- 93134 23-JUL 20:16 Telecom (6809) RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93126) From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM No problem. you have enough information. SuperComm forces the palettes to "ansi" default colors. They are as you list for original. Using a disk editor, just search on the original string ($00,$24,$12...) and change those 16 bytes to your new palette choices. Randy -*- 93137 24-JUL 01:10 Telecom (6809) RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93134) From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON Randy--- Colors are installed as directed and work fine. Thanks! Now I'll look into the other matter. ---Dom -*- 93138 24-JUL 18:41 Telecom (6809) RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93134) From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON Randy--- Well...here is what I have so far. Xmodeing the W2 descriptor to eko==00, and replacing it to bootfile, gets rid of the double characters in the overlays and stops the echoing to the top side in conferance mode. Break key now works OK for abort. Everything seems fine except keyboard input doesn't get echoed while in "Shell Access". ("Tmode echo" while there resumes keyboard echo until you quit shell access) The color changes themselves all work OK except I have changed the boarder slot for W2 upon startup (display 1b 34 4 >/w2). Now, at those places that SuperComm resets,the boarder slot gets reset the way it was before. (a "palette ....after the point at which you mangled the palette defaults... Do I detect a bit of concern? > *this* ain't a bug... it's a modification. Didn't mean to imply any "bug" with SuperComm. I mean't something was wrong with my system and I couldn't fix it. > ...( 7, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2). Interesting. At one point I tried changing the last 2 to 4. I had figuered what I was looking for either went something like ( 0 1 1 ) or ( 0 2 2 ). I guess close dosen't count. As far as the double character thing...as long as the W2 descriptor in the bootfile is set for "no echo", then I don't get double characters or a top and bottom echo in conferance. But "shell access" doesn't echo. If you set W2 to "echo", then you can view keyboard input in "shell access" without tmodeing but you get double characters on the overlays and in conferance when you type on the bottom, it gets echoed on top. The BREAK key doesn't abort the boxes either. It kills the top overlay and stays with a work area in the shadow box only. The double condition gets cleared up the first time you enter and leave the "shell access" mode. Break key works too. I'll let the W2 stay set at "no echo" so I don't see double after startup. My shell access there will be limited. Everything else seems to be GREAT! I now have SuperComm up and running with colors matching my system and this is on a 3.5" disk that BOOTS from drive 2!!!. Thanks once again for all your help. I couldn't have done this without you. ---Dom. -*- End of Thread. -*- 93117 23-JUL 05:40 General Information Disto 2 meg upgrade From: DGANTZ To: ALL Does anyone know what the chip just to the lower right of the MPU on the 2 meg upgrade is? I have one but I've misplaced the chip and didn't recognize the lableing on it as I recall. I need to find somewhere where I can get a new one. I had the upgrade in and working only a day and a half and it went toast. I was trying to fix it by simply shot-gunning out chips for new ones and for some reason took that particular chip out. Again its to the immediate lower right of the microprocessor as you look in to the CoCo from a normal typing position. Thanx in advance for any help. DGANTZ@Delphi.com -*- 93141 24-JUL 20:36 General Information RE: Disto 2 meg upgrade (Re: Msg 93117) From: DISTO To: DGANTZ U5 is a 74HC30. U10 is a 74HC74. If you need a complete schematic and a chip by chip description of the 2-Meg adapter, just send $20 + $2.50 S/H to me, Tony DiStefano @ 1710 Depatie St. Laurent Quebec Canada H4L 4A8. -Tony. -*- 93206 1-AUG 05:40 General Information RE: Disto 2 meg upgrade (Re: Msg 93141) From: DGANTZ To: DISTO Thanks for the reply Tony. I was referring to U6, a 20 pin DIP. I should have looked at the board before sending that message. My fault. However, since a schematic and technical data can be had, I'll rush the $22.50 to you ASAP. I'm real interested in finding out why the upgrade died on me after only a day and a half in my machine. But since I have you here, may I verify a couple of connections. Maybe I blew it? There is a 6pin sip connector that plugs into the SIMM board with 4 wires connected to the processor board. The wires in question are from pins 5 and 6. Pin 5 solders to pin 40 of IC5 on the motherboard (PIA?) and pin 6 solders to the junction of C60 and X1? Well guess thats bout it, except where might I find a processor socket such as what is in this upgrade? Seems to be somewhat specialized. Thank you. Dave -*- 93233 5-AUG 09:53 General Information RE: Disto 2 meg upgrade (Re: Msg 93206) From: DISTO To: DGANTZ The socket that came with the kit is a standard 40 pin socket. However, ther are many kinds and suppliers, If you need another, just add another dollar to your order and I'll send you another one. Your wiring is correct and the circuit will survive if you plug it in backwards. -Tony. -*- End of Thread. -*- 93122 23-JUL 13:11 General Information Installed memory? From: 01GEN40 To: ALL Well, do I presume right in that noone has any idea on how to get a C program to determine the amount of installed RAM on the CoCo? If noone does, can anyone direct me in the right direction to find an answer to my quest? I would hate to have to write 4 different modules for the 4 known RAM sizes on the CoCo. PLEASE, any help would be greatly appreciated! See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 93145 25-JUL 20:08 General Information RE: Installed memory? (Re: Msg 93122) From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40 > Well, do I presume right in that noone has any idea on how to > get a C program to determine the amount of installed RAM on the > CoCo? If noone does, can anyone direct me in the right direction > to find an answer to my quest? There _has_ to be a way.. "MFREE" does it.. Have you looked through the manual for all the system calls? One cheap and dirty method, if nothing else works, would have it reference a file, possibly in the SYS directory. How about having it look in the "env.file" file for MVUE? If the user does not have MVue, just have him create a file by that name with the oen entry... Not neat, but it would work.. But, as I said, there must be a direct way.. Would it be worth the effort to disassemble MFREE? -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93178 30-JUL 12:01 General Information RE: Installed memory? (Re: Msg 93145) From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING Hello again... Ya know, I think you may be on to something here! I never gave MFREE a thought at all. I do know that the kernal, os9p1 I think, is the module that determines installed RAM at bootup. I do have a dis-assembler. Problem is, I know next to nothing about assembly. Although, I was able to come up with a modification to INIT to have cc3go loaded from the CMDS directory and have it unlinked when it was done. This is very interesting! I shall try it and let you know what I come up with. Until next time... Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 93188 30-JUL 22:11 General Information RE: Installed memory? (Re: Msg 93178) From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40 > Ya know, I think you may be on to something here! I never gave > MFREE a thought at all. I do know that the kernal, os9p1 I think, > is the module that determines installed RAM at bootup. I do have > a dis-assembler. Problem is, I know next to nothing about assembly. I have never given it much thought as to how it does it.. Just looked at my Tech Manual.. Look on page 8-18 for info on F$GBlkMp Also, if you have "Inside OS9 Level 2", or have source for SMap otherwise, this should give you some ideas.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93250 6-AUG 12:36 General Information RE: Installed memory? (Re: Msg 93188) From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING Hello again, We just happen to have a copy of "Inside OS9 Level 2" in the SD User Group, I may just have to check the book out and see what I can get out of it. Thanks for the info. See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- End of Thread. -*- 93130 23-JUL 18:41 Telecom (6809) SuperComm From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON Randy-- I wonder if you could help me on whats probably a system bug I have here? When SuperComm is first booted, the "Change Directory" overlay box gives double characters and the break key just kills the top box (working area stays small. Enter works for abort.) Also in "Z" Conferance mode, what is typed below gets echoed above.(echo settings are off) Sounds like a half/full duplex thing except for the Break Key. Everything straightens out all right though, if I goto "Shell" and back. Something gets reset to what it should be but so far I haven't been able to see what it is. (No apparant changes in any Tmode or Xmode, before or after, anywhere.) Also, I just discovered that if I list a file to /T2, when sending to Forum it gets single spaced but if I do that to EMail it gets double spaced. (LFs are shut off on SuperComm) Stripping the file of LFs doesn't change anything.) Delphi?? /T2 settings?? I haven't had the time to fully scope this out yet. Is Email text treated any differently than Forum text. Any thoughts? ---Dom -*- 93133 23-JUL 20:07 Telecom (6809) RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93130) From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM Listing a file to /t2 opens a path to the port that is *different* than the on SC is using. None of the changes SC did will have an affect on this new path, except for baud and parity (they will default to unchanged, i.e. SC's last settings). The "alf" on /t2 (which SC turns off) is what's adding your linefeeds. The easiest way around that is to just use the "ascii" upload option of SuperComm. On this other, I've never heard *that* one before. :> How about a xmode of the window being used? Randy -*- End of Thread. -*- 93136 23-JUL 21:06 General Information Just one more reminder... From: THETAURUS To: ALL One more time... OS-9 Late Night Monday Night July 24 10:00 PM Eastern Topic:OS-9 Users Group Level I & II Discussion With Vice President of OS-9/6809 , Mike Rowen Join us this Monday when Mike will be here to take comments, questions, and ideas for possible projects from users. He will also discuss some of his personal plans for future of the UG's OS- 9 Users and will be sharing his ideas, and feelings on the community as a whole. If you would like to volunteer to do any sort of UG work this would be a good night to speak with Mike LIVE. As a sidenote, if you should know anyone who is not an online user and doesn't have access to all the latest updates in the OS-9 Community, get them a Sourcebook User entry form and have them send it to me so I can get them in the database. It is hard enough to keep up with all the net users, let along those who are offline and hard to be found. We need to get their information in order to keep them in touch. Now there is no reason to be 'lost in the shuffle'!!! And if you haven't sent in your form by now, why put it off? The sourcebook is only as good as the amount of information in it!!! Chris Perrault OS-9 Users' Group Sourcebook Coordinator -*- 93148 25-JUL 22:23 General Information Internet newsgroups From: MRGOOD To: ALL How does one DELETE newsgroups from the personal favorites area?? Hugo -*- 93156 26-JUL 19:39 General Information RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93148) From: JOHNBAER To: MRGOOD Hugo, > How does one DELETE newsgroups from the personal favorites area?? Download the favorites.sav file, use an editor to delete the line or lines of newsgroups you don't want, then re-upload this file as favorites.sav and delete the old one on Delphi. Be careful, the `spaces' in each line are Tab's . PS: this is a ascii file so upload it that way... John - -*- 93162 26-JUL 23:56 General Information RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93156) From: MITHELEN To: JOHNBAER Or, if you are using a decent VT100 terminal/emulator, you could type EDIT FAVORATES.SAV, and used the EDT editor to edit it on line. -- Paul -*- 93164 27-JUL 18:19 General Information RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93156) From: MRGOOD To: JOHNBAER Thanks John. I'd say Delphi needs to streamline the process a bit. Hugo -*- 93165 27-JUL 21:53 General Information RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93162) From: JOHNBAER To: MITHELEN Hi Paul, > Or, if you are using a decent VT100 terminal/emulator, you could type > EDIT FAVORATES.SAV, and used the EDT editor to edit it on line. True, True, if you know how to use the online editor 8-) I tangled with it once, that was enough for me... Later, John - -*- 93166 27-JUL 21:53 General Information RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93164) From: JOHNBAER To: MRGOOD Hugo, I should have also said that you can use the online editor too 8-) Read message 93162 to me from Paul.. I'm so use to doing it by downloading it, edit, uploading on the fly, that it's second nature for me . John - -*- 93167 28-JUL 21:54 General Information RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93166) From: MRGOOD To: JOHNBAER I tried the online editor. It appears it was designed for Martians :-) Your first method worked fine for me. Thanks! Hugo -*- 93169 29-JUL 14:29 General Information RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93165) From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER > > Or, if you are using a decent VT100 terminal/emulator, you could type > > EDIT FAVORATES.SAV, and used the EDT editor to edit it on line. > > True, True, if you know how to use the online editor 8-) > I tangled with it once, that was enough for me... You, too? I have never gotten close to mastering any online editor.. Much handier to use your own, right? -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93174 30-JUL 04:32 General Information RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93169) From: MITHELEN To: DBREEDING I guess I am used to EDT, cause I used it for several years in collage before I discovered TPU.... The one thing with EDT on delphi is, it defaults to command mode, and you have to type "C" for "change" to go to full screen mode... Thenm if you press F2, you will get the keypad diagram, and lots of other good helpfull info. -*- 93175 30-JUL 10:16 General Information RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93169) From: JOHNBAER To: DBREEDING > You, too? I have never gotten close to mastering any online editor.. > > Much handier to use your own, right? Well, with OS-9 multi-tasking and multi-windows (tm) it's easy to just use your own editor in a second window, then move back and upload the file. Works for me 8-) It's been so long ago that I tried the online EDT that I'm real fuzzy on it. I had the problem of not find _how_ to exit from it 8-( and I just killed the modem to get off line. If my fuzzy memory is working right, I believe that even a ctrl Z didn't work... It's been so long I just don't remember... John - -*- 93184 30-JUL 22:10 General Information RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93174) From: DBREEDING To: MITHELEN > I guess I am used to EDT, cause I used it for several years in collage What it all boils down to is what you are comfortable with.. > ... The one thing with EDT on delphi is, it > defaults to command mode, and you have to type "C" for "change" to go to > full screen mode... Thenm if you press F2, you will get the keypad > diagram, and lots of other good helpfull info. I have never gotten into the editors enough to learn all the features. They do have some good help features, but I feel kind of pressured when I'm online and don't take enough time to try to learn them. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93185 30-JUL 22:10 General Information RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93175) From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER > > You, too? I have never gotten close to mastering any online editor.. > > > > Much handier to use your own, right? > > Well, with OS-9 multi-tasking and multi-windows (tm) it's easy to > just use your own editor in a second window, then move back and upload > the file. Works for me 8-) Yes, that's a good way. I use InfoXpress and it just calls up your editor automatically, you edit your message and then it saves it when you exit your editor. I like this better than taking up the time online.. Of course it incurs logging on twice -- I usually just come back on and upload my replies -- but it still takes less time than typing in my stuff while online.. > It's been so long ago that I tried the online EDT that I'm real fuzzy > on it. I had the problem of not find _how_ to exit from it 8-( and I > just killed the modem to get off line. If my fuzzy memory is working > right, I believe that even a ctrl Z didn't work... It's been so long > I just don't remember... Heheh... I know what you mean... you get into the things, and being such a novice as I am, you cannot figure out how to get out.. forget... didn't know in the first place... I have really gotten in some real messes, but have always finally gotten it figured out.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- End of Thread. -*- 93150 25-JUL 23:17 General Information CONFERENCE NOTICE From: MROWEN01 To: ALL POSTED: 25 Jul 95 HAVE YOU FILLED OUT YOUR DATA SHEET FOR THE OS-9 SOURCE BOOK PROJECT? EMAIL FOR MORE INFORMATION: /////////////////////////////// // DELPHI CONFERENCE NOTICE: // /////////////////////////////// OS-9 Late Night Conference w/ Chris Perrault ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, 31 Jul 95 - 10PM ET - Microware's David Kimble will discuss D.A.V.I.D, interactive "set top" technology. ////////////////////////////// // GENIE CONFERENCE NOTICE: // ////////////////////////////// Coco Real Time Conference ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Every Sunday - Open discussion forum 9-10PM ET //////////////////////////// // IRC CONFERENCE NOTICE: // //////////////////////////// OS-9 IRC Conference Type /join #os9 once inside IRC ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday, 30 Jul 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum Sunday, 13 Aug 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum ---------------------------- ATTENTION! -------------------------- Are there any other on-line conferences happening out there? If you know of other conferences or events that are taking place on other on-line services (AOL,Genie,CIS, etc.) please send mail to me at either address listed below. I will post any information I receive. Mike Rowen VP OS-9/6809 OS-9 Users Group mrowen01@delphi.com -*- 93153 26-JUL 01:31 General Information Fidonet From: MANTONY To: ALL Can Fidonet be accessed thru the Internet? There are National COCO and OS9 discussion groups on Fidonet that appear to be different from those available thru Usenbet. How would I get to them thru Internet? -*- 93155 26-JUL 19:24 General Information RE: Fidonet (Re: Msg 93153) From: MROWEN01 To: MANTONY I wish i knew. I have tried FIDO gateways on the internet, but they have all bombed. I've never gotten a response either. It may be one way or something. It's sad, because there are a good number of people on FIDO. -Mike -*- 93218 3-AUG 00:20 General Information RE: Fidonet (Re: Msg 93155) From: CHYDE To: MROWEN01 It's been a few years since I looked into this, but I remember that you ido echos to Usenet (and probably get permission to add them as news groups). The K12 news groups are echos of idonet echos, so it's possible. Chris -*- 93227 4-AUG 08:31 General Information RE: Fidonet (Re: Msg 93218) From: MROWEN01 To: CHYDE I've seen plenty of echoes of Fido to Usenet, but not the other way around. If you know more or can point me to a resource, please let me know. Thanks! Mike Rowen VP OS-9/6809 OS-9 Users Group mrowen01@delphi.com -*- 93284 12-AUG 22:09 General Information RE: Fidonet (Re: Msg 93227) From: CHYDE To: MROWEN01 You want to put some Usenet groups onto Fido then?? I haven't seen this, you probably have a fido board close to you and the sysop may know who to get in touch with. I thought you had wanted to put the Fido OS-9 echo onto Usenet, though. There is also a fidonet news group, that's only purpose is to distibute a Fido news letter (I think it's comp.bbs.fido or something like that). There may also be information about contacts in the newsletter. Chris -*- End of Thread. -*- 93154 26-JUL 05:36 General Information RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 93089) From: COCOKIWI To: JOHNBAER Through Away! THROW Away .............. Thats the problem with this! $89.95 for a REFURBUSHED fan....... And I have to give Em the Old one! IT cost $108.00 NEW figure....$20 to clean..and put TWO 10c brushes in it! thats $60+ profit....... Arrrr! Such is life! Dennis -*- 93157 26-JUL 19:39 General Information RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 93154) From: JOHNBAER To: COCOKIWI Dennis, Well, knowing that the `refurbushed' one is someone else's junk with a tar brush paint job & 10 cent brushes, just buy the NEW one! 8-) (ducking....) 8-) -- John - Windows isn't a virus .. Virus's _do_ something. -*- End of Thread. -*- 93171 29-JUL 15:46 General Information GIME some info From: DBREEDING To: ALL Well, after making my brag a few days ago about not having any trouble with my coco, it tried to go south on me Last night, it crashed with garbage on the screen, and turning it off and back on, would come up with random garbage. I took it apart and pushed on the GIME (and cpu, a 6309 socketed chip), but I'm sure it was the GIME. It didn't seem loose or anything but now it seems to be OK. It seems that this happened with my previous coco several years ago, and it is still operable, I suppose. What do you all do in cases like this? Does it actually need to be removed and cleaned somehow or should I just let it go? Reckon it's corrosion and stuff and if so, will this connection just get worse? If I remember correctly, my other one did this several years ago and no subsequent problems, so maybe just let it go? I'm afraid to try to remove it unless it's absolutely necessary. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93176 30-JUL 10:17 General Information RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93171) From: JOHNBAER To: DBREEDING David, > What do you all do in cases like this? Does it actually need to be > removed and cleaned somehow or should I just let it go? I assUme your talking about the GIME chip here. Well, if it crashes again in short time, then yes, pull the chip and reseat it. Remember, that this chip is a `J' type leg and only makes contact on one side. I don't care much for this type, but that's me. > Reckon it's corrosion and stuff and if so, will this connection just get > worse? Yep, it will, in time. I wouldn't clean it. Just remove and re-install it will wipe the contact point. Get the puller for this chip if your not comfortable pulling it yourself. > If I remember correctly, my other one did this several years ago and > no subsequent problems, so maybe just let it go? I'm afraid to try > to remove it unless it's absolutely necessary. Just get the puller and take your time. Also remember to ground the computer and yourself _before_ doing any work on it. Think of it like chicken soup.. it couldn't hurt 8-) John - -*- 93186 30-JUL 22:10 General Information RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93176) From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER > > What do you all do in cases like this? Does it actually need to be > > removed and cleaned somehow or should I just let it go? > > I assUme your talking about the GIME chip here. Correct. > Well, if it crashes > again in short time, then yes, pull the chip and reseat it. Remember, > that this chip is a `J' type leg and only makes contact on one side. > I don't care much for this type, but that's me. > > > Reckon it's corrosion and stuff and if so, will this connection just > get > worse? > > Yep, it will, in time. I wouldn't clean it. Just remove and re-install > it will wipe the contact point. Get the puller for this chip if your > not comfortable pulling it yourself. Actually, I knew that.. just had to have it verified.. Probably would be best to go ahead and do it now. I really don't use it that much anymore, but still would feel like something were missing if I didn't have it. I still have my original coco, but this one has a 6309 in it.. not a real big thing, but now feel like I need it.. > Just get the puller and take your time. Does Rat-Shack sell one that works? I think I've seen them in JDR or Jameco.. I have a spare GIME for just in case... BTW.. my brother, who works at a pawn shop, got a coco3 for cheap.. it won't power up. You just get a single click, and don't hear the cassette relay click. I read somewhere that the clock chip can cause this.. Is the correct one hard to find? Would this more likely be the switch or power supply? Be nice to have another backup.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93193 31-JUL 19:11 General Information RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93186) From: JOHNBAER To: DBREEDING David, >> Just get the puller and take your time. > > Does Rat-Shack sell one that works? I think I've seen them in JDR or > Jameco.. Yea, I think the shack still sells it. I haven't looked lately.. > I have a spare GIME for just in case... When this chip dies so will the coco.. You just can't buy New GIME's anymore. Pick up any spare's you can now. > BTW.. my brother, who works at a pawn shop, got a coco3 for cheap.. it > won't power up. You just get a single click, and don't hear the cassette > relay click. I read somewhere that the clock chip can cause this.. > Is the correct one hard to find? Would this more likely be the switch > or power supply? If you know what your doing, first check out the power supply, voltage regs., etc. It helps to have the Service Manual also 8-) If not, at least you have spare parts to test and use. John - -*- 93200 31-JUL 23:44 General Information RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93193) From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER > > I have a spare GIME for just in case... > > When this chip dies so will the coco.. You just can't buy New GIME's > anymore. Pick up any spare's you can now. Yes, I've heard they have become hard to come by.. I can't remember where I got mine.. I thought it would be a good idea. > > BTW.. my brother, who works at a pawn shop, got a coco3 for cheap.. it > > won't power up. You just get a single click, and don't hear the > cassette > relay click. > If you know what your doing, first check out the power supply, voltage > regs., etc. It helps to have the Service Manual also 8-) I don't, really.. I have the Service manual, but not a lot of test equipment. I would like another one to stick a 6309 in. > If not, at least you have spare parts to test and use. Yes, that's for sure.. And it might come in handy. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93224 3-AUG 23:14 General Information RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93200) From: WDTV5 To: DBREEDING Gime's in short to non-existant supply? Glen Emelco of Performance Concepts, indicated a few weeks back that they (who bought Tandy out of them years ago) now had about 50 of them they could spare. The phone # is 216-974-9550 Give 'im a yell for pricing. Gene -*- 93235 5-AUG 18:20 General Information RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93224) From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5 > Gime's in short to non-existant supply? Glen Emelco of Performance > Concepts, indicated a few weeks back that they (who bought Tandy out of > them years ago) now had about 50 of them they could spare. The phone # is > 216-974-9550 Give 'im a yell for pricing. > Gene Thanks for the info, Gene. Myself, I have one for a spare with one working coco and one non-working one, so maybe I'll be OK, but I'm sure there are some who do need this info. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93254 6-AUG 22:35 General Information RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93235) From: WDTV5 To: DBREEDING Your welcome David, but that came from (I think) Marty a few weeks back. Cheers, Gene -*- 93272 10-AUG 21:26 General Information RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93254) From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5 > Your welcome David, but that came from (I think) Marty a few weeks back. > Cheers, Gene yes, I believe I do remember him or someone bringing this up. Everyone should get one.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93301 13-AUG 23:08 General Information RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93272) From: WDTV5 To: DBREEDING Aggreed, I do have one already. Also a couple of spare machines, pick them up at yard sales etc now, but one of my spares is Dennis Skala's machine, and the other was a $50 closeout at the shack, as is whereis. Worked just fine, I've added "the forgotten chip" to that one too, but thats the extent of its mods so far. Does anyone know what price this gentleman wants for one? Cheers, Gene -*- End of Thread. -*- 93172 29-JUL 19:12 General Information ar for msdos? From: MIKE_GUZZI To: ALL I am looking for "AR" that was ported to work on MSDOS machines. does anyone know where I can find it? Mike -*- 93180 30-JUL 13:36 General Information RE: ar for msdos? (Re: Msg 93172) From: JMURPHY To: MIKE_GUZZI > I am looking for "AR" that was ported to work on MSDOS machines. does anyone > know where I can find it? > > Mike > Mike, The last (only?) version that was ported to MSDOS was Ar 1.1 It should be in the libs somewhere, I think. John Murphy -*- 93191 31-JUL 01:29 General Information RE: ar for msdos? (Re: Msg 93180) From: MITHELEN To: JMURPHY Actually, I don't think an offical MSDOS port was ever released pobucally (I may be mistaken) I do have a 1.5 "bootleg" AR for MSDOS, but I don't think I can share it publically. I'll check though to make sure -- Paul -*- End of Thread. -*- 93173 29-JUL 23:39 General Information OS-9 Late Night:Reminder From: THETAURUS To: ALL OS-9 Late Night Monday Night July 31 10:00 PM Eastern Topic:DAVID(Digital Audio/Video Interactive Decoder) With guest host David Kimble from Microware. This Monday Night, David Kimble will be here to discuss Microwares DAVID interactive set top system. Through the use of television and other forms of media, home users will be able to do things previously unimagined with the aid of a decoder used with the television known as a _set top box_. Order Pizza, play games, rent movies and countless other services will be available through this interactive medium which will add a whole new dimension to the television, as well as other devices(telephone, computers,etc...). DAVID is the system of software based on OS-9 which is at the heart of these set top boxes. With a decent amount of publicity devoted towards DAVID and related interactive services in the media these days it only makes sense to have an OS-9 Late Night dedicated to this topic, and David Kimble, who works on the DAVID system at Microware, was kind enough to stop by anad offer some insight on DAVID and what impact it will probably have for us in the future. Chris Perrault OS-9 Users' Group Sourcebook Coordinator -*- 93179 30-JUL 12:49 General Information RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93173) From: JOHNBAER To: THETAURUS Chris, > OS-9 Late Night > Monday Night July 31 10:00 PM Eastern > Topic:DAVID(Digital Audio/Video Interactive Decoder) > With guest host David Kimble from Microware. Now this should be a `full house' night! Will be there with buffer capture On 8-) John - -*- 93181 30-JUL 17:52 General Information RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93179) From: THETAURUS To: JOHNBAER >>Now this should be a 'full house' night!<< Yeah, I expect that too. HToo bad Delphi doesn't seem to share our enthusiasm. It would have been nice if they posted it in the logon banner :-( I guess a discussion on Greanpeacepipe is too important to pass up :-/ See Ya there! >Chris< -*- 93182 30-JUL 19:43 General Information RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93181) From: JOHNBAER To: THETAURUS Hi Chris, Why does this not surprise me... Have you been to the CoCo, Atari, Amiga Sigs in the last 24 hours ? If the rumor is true, we won't be typing to each other after Dec 95. It looks like Delphi will pull the plug on there command line interface at the end of this year. I'm waiting to see _IF_ Delphi gives an answer to this over on the Service Sig. Should be fun 8-( John - -*- 93190 31-JUL 01:22 General Information RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93182) From: MITHELEN To: JOHNBAER I think this is only a remote (very) possibility. I think this rumor probably came from info in the Delphi Internet Beta Test FAQ. Most likely, some type of user poll will take place to see how many users need/prefer a text based service, and the the numbers will dictate that a text based service will still be necessary. This is all speculatory, but makes sence. Afterall, its all a $$$ thing in the long run... -- Paul -*- 93196 31-JUL 21:36 General Information RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93190) From: JOHNBAER To: MITHELEN Hi Paul, > I think this is only a remote (very) possibility. I think this rumor > probably came from info in the Delphi Internet Beta Test FAQ. From what I've been reading in the different Sig's and in the Service Sig, this info is in the bata release that is being tested now. > .. user poll will take place to see how many users need/prefer a text... I would hope that Delphi would do it this way, but, ya never know... > This is all speculatory, but makes sence. Afterall, its all a $$$ thing > in the long run... Oh, I agree on the $$$ thing. It's just when you find out that you have to the year's end to use this GUI or get lost... I don't believe that Delphi wants to support 2 interfaces.. but just might have to _if_ the rest of us yell loud enough! The other kick is, from the info in that bata release, that there won't be a Mac version. Now, if Delphi doesn't care enough to do a Mac version, (not enough Mac people here?) what chance do the rest of us have ? ... I think we better start that yelling campaign real soon ;-) John - -*- 93198 31-JUL 23:32 General Information RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93182) From: THETAURUS To: JOHNBAER That would be a stupid thing to do. Doesn't meant they won't do it, but I hope they won't! They are good for being to home to nonmainstream computer groups, so this doesn't makesense. Btw, WOW, I know you were there, but others missed a heck of a conference tonight. Seems like EVERYONE was there, but there were a few missing, and if you are one of them, check out Issue number 4 of the MOTD(the one after the one currently being released). There will be an article based on the transcript in the issue. See Ya >Chris< -*- 93210 1-AUG 22:31 General Information RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93198) From: JOHNBAER To: THETAURUS Chris, > That would be a stupid thing to do. ... I just got a reply from service... It comes down to, use it or lose it. As long as a lot of people _keep_ using the command line interface, it will stay. So, tell SERVICE that this is what you use, and not a GUI, so they have at least a count for the CLI. > Btw, WOW, I know you were there, but others missed a heck of a conference > tonight. (heh) I did come in a 1/2 hour late, so I'll be waiting to read the whole conference when it gets to my door . For what I _did_ read, it was Great!!! -- John - Windows isn't a virus .. Virus's _do_ something. -*- 93212 1-AUG 23:39 General Information Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93210) From: RANDYKWILSON To: JOHNBAER To all, really. Even if you plan on using their new GUI thing, if you plan on continuing with the CoCo and OS9 (and atari and amiga and commodore and ...) SIGs, place your vote for keeping the command line interface! I feel that without it, enough people will leave that the continued existance of the SIGs will be in jepordy. Randy -*- 93225 3-AUG 23:56 General Information RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93212) From: JIMDIXON To: ALL Randy: I modified the to line to be for all, but I agree completely. If you want Delphi to keep their CLI, you have to tell them. I just finished emailing Service, requesting that they keep the CLI, or at least survey their users and determine the impact of dropping it before doing so. I also told them that if they did in fact drop their CLI, and went entirely GUI, I would be closing out my account within a few months of their doing so. If I wanted a snazzy GUI with no orphan computer support, I'd have an AOL account. I have a Delphi account solely because of their CoCo support. The day they make access via the CoCo impossible, I no longer need my account. One or two messages alone won't do it though, it's going to take all of us to get their attention. James Dixon -*- 93228 4-AUG 10:42 General Information RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93225) From: JIMDIXON To: ALL I thought everyone might be interested in Service's reply to my comments about keeping the CLI. Here's their response: From: BOS::SERVICE "Delphi Internet Services" 4-AUG-1995 08:35:57.87 To: BOS::JIMDIXON CC: Subj: RE: CLI's and GUI's Thanks for writing. Delphi has not announced when the new platform will be released. As for the current menu driven system and InterNav, they will be supported indefinately as long as there is significant interest by our members. Please let me know if you have any other questions. Kevin Online Support This of course begs the question of what exactly constitutes "significant interest". I urge all concerned to write service expressing your views, and to post in the Delphi Future forum in the Using Delphi section. James Dixon -*- 93229 4-AUG 19:28 General Information RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93228) From: JOHNBAER To: JIMDIXON James, and everybody else - > Here's their response: I've gotten the same `caned' answer as you did. Now, you are right.. We must do two things here. Tell SERVICE that we want to keep the CLI and keep _using_ the CLI. Reading between the lines, I believe this is what is meant by "significant interest". -- John - Windows isn't a virus .. Virus's _do_ something. -*- 93237 5-AUG 18:21 General Information RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93225) From: DBREEDING To: JIMDIXON > I just finished > emailing Service, requesting that they keep the CLI, A dummy question... Do you just address an E-mail message to "Service"? I know this is probably spelled out somewhere, but I use "ix".. you don't "hafta" know much with it > I > also told them that if they did in fact drop their CLI, and went entirely > GUI, I would be closing out my account within a few months of their doing > so. If I wanted a snazzy GUI with no orphan computer support, I'd have an > AOL account. I have a Delphi account solely because of their CoCo > support. The day they make access via the CoCo impossible, I no longer > need my account. I must say that I would probably follow suit. This forum is the only one I normally visit here (except mail, of course). IMO, I'd say that there are many, many who are here solely because of the non-requirement for a GUI. I suspect that if a CLI is no longer available, the coco and os-9 base here will probably end. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93239 5-AUG 21:20 General Information RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93237) From: JOHNBAER To: DBREEDING David, > A dummy question... Do you just address an E-mail message to "Service"? > I know this is probably spelled out somewhere, but I use "ix".. you > don't "hafta" know much with it Yes! At the IX prompt `To:' just use `SERVICE'... Delphi will get it. -- John - Windows isn't a virus .. Virus's _do_ something. -*- 93242 5-AUG 22:23 General Information RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93237) From: JIMDIXON To: DBREEDING David: I see someone else has already answered, but yes, just address the message to Service. James Dixon -*- 93245 6-AUG 01:32 General Information RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93239) From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER > > A dummy question... Do you just address an E-mail message to "Service"? > > I know this is probably spelled out somewhere, but I use "ix".. you > > don't "hafta" know much with it > > Yes! At the IX prompt `To:' just use `SERVICE'... Delphi will get it. OK, thanks, and will do.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93246 6-AUG 01:32 General Information RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93242) From: DBREEDING To: JIMDIXON > I see someone else has already answered, but yes, just address the > message to Service. Thanks.. I guess I should do a little homework on a few of the simple things, but up till now, I hadn't needed to know this feature.. <:-( -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93251 6-AUG 12:41 General Information RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93182) From: 01GEN40 To: JOHNBAER WHAT? I better get my 486 running quick! Man, what a bummer! I will be optomistic and say I HOPE IT AIN'T TRUE! LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- End of Thread. -*- 93183 30-JUL 22:09 General Information help From: ROBERT84 To: ALL Hi All, I need to know if anyone out there knows where I can get a 6309 chip. The one I have in my coco went dead. I was using b&b booster, and because of what it did to my boot file I can't even access my hard drive with a regular 6809 chip in my coco. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bob -*- 93189 30-JUL 22:28 General Information RE: help (Re: Msg 93183) From: DBREEDING To: ROBERT84 > I need to know if anyone out there knows where I can get a 6309 > chip. You have several choices: 1) Northern Xposure 7 Greeboro Cres Ottawa, ON K1T 1W6 Canada (613)736-0329 cmckay@northx.isis.org 2) Terry Laraway 41 N.W. Doncee Drive Bremerton, WA 98310 (206)692-5374 3) CoNect 449 South 90th Street Milwaukee, WI 53214 I'm not sure about CoNect... I thought he _did_ sell them, but didn't see it listed in latest ad. However, he did have an account here, "RICKULAND", but may not be using it now.. (Did he change it to CONECT???) You might contact REVWCP (I think)... anyway, REVWCP is Bro. Jeremy, and he and Rick are friends, so he should be able to tell you.. There may also be others but these are the ones I know about.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93194 31-JUL 20:06 General Information RE: help (Re: Msg 93183) From: WILLIAMSON68 To: ROBERT84 Try contacting MRUPGRADE on delphi. He might be able to supply you with an address as well as a phone #. The chip is hard to find but not impossible. If he can't help you, let me know & I'll dig around for a driver for that HD. 8-) --dan -*- End of Thread. -*- 93192 31-JUL 18:45 Telecom (6809) SuperComm From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON Randy--- With regards to knowledge...this is an update on my installation of SuperComm. I've gotten rid of most if not all the echo and hanging problems. It seems that if I just use "SuperComm<>>>/w2&", everything works fine. If I add any modifier (i.e. f=/r0/Capture etc.), thats when I run into those other problems. Since I can't add any modifier, how can I change the default buffer size? So far so good. SuperComm sure beats what I was using for OS9. I didn't realize how far behind the times I was...then again, I just learned how to get a subject listing from the forum messages. Thanks! ---Dom -*- 93197 31-JUL 22:10 Telecom (6809) RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93192) From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM Dom, If SuperComm <>>>/w& works, then Supercomm #40K <>>>/w& should also work. I'm at a loss as to whats ahppening here. The #40K does not ever get to supercomm. That is handled at the Fork by the parent shell, just like the redirection stuff. Randy -*- 93201 31-JUL 23:44 Telecom (6809) RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93197) From: DBREEDING To: RANDYKWILSON > If SuperComm <>>>/w& works, then Supercomm #40K <>>>/w& should also > work. I'm at a loss as to whats ahppening here. The #40K does not ever get > to supercomm. That is handled at the Fork by the parent shell, just like > the redirection stuff. I'm a little fuzzy on Supercomm for the CoCo, but glancing at the docs for Supercomm, it appears that a number by itself is accepted as a buffer size parameter. The #40K might not affect the buffer size, depending on how it was written... As I said, it's been a while since I fooled with it, but if memory serves correctly, I also had a little difficulty with the capture open parameter, or else I saw something about it... Might be something that would need looking into.. Speaking of Supercomm, I think I once mentioned it already, but I believe in ANSI (or VT100?) emulation, it had a little buglet in that it's CurXY operated in "base 0" mode, where the Home position was 0,0 where ANSI is "base 1", where Home is 1,1 ??? Not fatal, but a little annoying... -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93207 1-AUG 18:21 Telecom (6809) RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93197) From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON Randy--- Man, I'll bet you're a little tired of answering SuperComm questions? (Forum must have a million of them.) Well here goes again...only trying in the interest of knowledge to help nail this down. If it gets too much..please ignore. > If SuperComm <>>>/w2& works... Supercomm #40k <>>>/w2& should... You're right! What threw me off there was that I was trying #8k and what showed up at the top right hand corner was 3k. I've since tried #40k etc.. and now I see that whatever value I choose gets reported as 5k less that what is entered. (i.e. #40k shows 35k, and #8k shows 3k.) I don't know why everything is shown as 5k less but at least it reports. The problems appear when I give: SuperComm f=/r0/Capture <>>>/w2&. When you go to the screen, there is a box saying "Send ASCII File". At this point the break key only kills the top box and leaves the screen working area only in the shadow area. You must use enter to abort from the original overlay. Once the box is aborted, it leaves the main screen echoing the keyboard. I think in experimenting that I've seen the screen echo even though no overlay box was presented on startup this way.(?) Also, whatever you type in the conference area gets echoed also on top. You can stop the echoing by going to "Shell Access" and back but the auto dialer box hangs with no connection tone when connection occures. As long as I leave out the file pathlist modifier string, everything seems to work all right. It doesn't matter to me if I'm not be able to include this setup string. If the 5k differance in the buffer setup is normal, its a go. One other thing I have a question about tho.. is that during an actual conference, a couple of times I had to hit the enter key to continue showing the conference. Once hit, the screen showed all the lines that the others typed during that time. (checked: xmode=pau=00, tmode= -pause) I have to figure that out if I am to use SuperComm for conference. (Just for reference..I have made two boot disks. One for drive 0 and one for drive 2. Both react the same. ) Thanks! ---Dom -*- 93208 1-AUG 18:50 Telecom (6809) RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93207) From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM Dom, I'm going to, for now, call the echo thing a bug in the "f=*" parsing routine. I've never had a complaint before, but it's very possible you are the only one in the world who has actually *used* the feature. That chunk of code is old, written before I "inherited" care of the program. I did diddle with the actual download routines for 2.2, and it is possible I broke a hook for the capture routine. The number you give on the command line is the total amount of data space OS-9 will give SuperComm, minimum 8K, max 40K. Out of this data space, SuperComm uses about 5K for it's own internal variables and data/string buffers. Everything that is left over (3-35K) gets used as the download buffer. I remember that conference problem. It is on Delphi's end. I'm not sure if I ever figured out what tripped it, but Delphi would, under the right conditions, turn "page pause" on for you. The fix was to either exit/ enter conference, or do a /len=0 (or was it /nopag?). Randy -*- 93209 1-AUG 20:24 Telecom (6809) RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93208) From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON Randy--- I think, at least for now, , everything that is important has been addressed. I'll look into the "/nopag" command and if the situation occures again, I'll do that before I enter conference. Thanks again for your help! ---Dom -*- 93221 3-AUG 05:50 Telecom (6809) RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93197) From: BROWN80 To: RANDYKWILSON 40K is a little too large a buffer. Try a smaller one say 30K. It works for me. The older versions of Supercomm would work with 40 but evidently the newer versions are a little larger. John Brown -*- 93222 3-AUG 19:35 Telecom (6809) RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93221) From: RANDYKWILSON To: BROWN80 John, SuperComm, up through release 2.1a, would work fine with a 48K buffer. You are correct that release 2.2 got a bit bigger and crossed a magic boundry. It's max data size is 40K. release 2.3 will address this shrinking buffer prblem in a rather unique way. Look for it this fall. Randy -*- End of Thread. -*- 93205 1-AUG 02:01 System Modules (6809) GIME From: WDTV5 To: ALL In regard to GIME chips, recall that Glenn A. Emelco. 216-974-9550 indicated a few weeks back that his company had about 50 of them to spare. -*- 93213 2-AUG 00:08 General Information CONFERENCE NOTICE From: MROWEN01 To: ALL POSTED: 1 Aug 95 HAVE YOU FILLED OUT YOUR DATA SHEET FOR THE OS-9 SOURCE BOOK PROJECT? EMAIL FOR MORE INFORMATION (UG Membership is not required): /////////////////////////////// // DELPHI CONFERENCE NOTICE: // /////////////////////////////// OS-9 Late Night Conference w/ Chris Perrault ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, 7 Aug 95 - 10PM ET - Open Discussion Monday, 14 Aug 95 - 10PM ET - Open Discussion ////////////////////////////// // GENIE CONFERENCE NOTICE: // ////////////////////////////// Coco Real Time Conference ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Every Sunday - Open discussion forum 9-10PM ET //////////////////////////// // IRC CONFERENCE NOTICE: // //////////////////////////// OS-9 IRC Conference Type /join #os9 once inside IRC ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday, 13 Aug 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum Sunday, 27 Aug 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum ---------------------------- ATTENTION! -------------------------- Are there any other on-line conferences happening out there? If you know of other conferences or events that are taking place on other on-line services (AOL,Genie,CIS, etc.) please send mail to me at either address listed below. I will post any information I receive. Mike Rowen VP OS-9/6809 OS-9 Users Group mrowen01@delphi.com -*- 93215 2-AUG 20:42 General Information OS-9 Late Night:DAVID conference From: THETAURUS To: ALL As expected, the DAVID conference was great, and well worth the effort! I want to thank everyone who came and made this worthwhile, and I, as well as everyone else who was there, appreciate Dave Kimble stopping by. I'm not sure when the transcript will be ready for upload, as Colin will be handling this one. An article based on the transcript will be in the upcoming MOTD(not the issue that's coming out right now, but this next one being worked on). Speaking of DAVID, does anyone have the latest PIPELINES? I just got it in the mail today, and it looks pretty good. They had quite a bit of DAVID coverage in there, as well as an interesting article by Sherry Sitzler of KD Associates, on how Nasa uses Sculptor and OS-9 for several tasks related to the Space shuttle and budget control. KD Associates is the home of Sculptor DBMS. The latest MOTD should be out soon. When you get it, check out the TWO sourcebook articles in there, one is the promised BBS article w/entry form and the other is an article w/ entry form for industrial users. If you or someone you know belongs to these two categories, have those forms sent in! And finally, on the subject on the next OS-9 Late Night schedule, it still, isn't complete yet, as I have to put the finishing touch on a few things. We WILL be having an Atlanta fest related conference in September, but I forgot what exact week it was(DOH). I know, "Can you say, 'notepad' Chris?". Also, we will be having our 1 year anniversary conference this month, possibly another programming topic, and another conference with Mike Rowen VP of 6809 is in the works, but I don't know if it will be in the next schedule or not(we have hammered down a specific date yet, I don't think), and we MIGHT have KD Associates, the company I mentioned earlier, but it hasn't been etched in stone yet. There won't be a shortage of topics, just a little stumbling on my part to either remember them or get them in the right week. Next week will be an Open Forum, so come one and come all, and say whatever the '(#T%& you want, just be nice to the host ;-) See Ya Chris Perrault OS-9 Users' Group Sourcebook Coordinator -*- 93223 3-AUG 21:48 General Information Help with GNU C++ From: BOISY To: ALL Hello everyone, After downloading the GNU C and C++ stuff from the Programmer's Database here, I find that I cannot find the GNU C++ executive -- only the GCC one. Can anyone enlighten me on how I might compile a simple "hello.cpp" program with the GNU compiler? I tried: gcc2 hello.cpp But it doesn't like this at all. I thought there would be a C++ executive in the archives, but none could be found. Any help would be appreciated. -*- 93248 6-AUG 09:46 General Information RE: Help with GNU C++ (Re: Msg 93223) From: JOHNREED To: BOISY > Hello everyone, > > After downloading the GNU C and C++ stuff from the Programmer's Database > here, I find that I cannot find the GNU C++ executive -- only the GCC > one. Can anyone enlighten me on how I might compile a simple "hello.cpp" > program with the GNU compiler? I tried: > > gcc2 hello.cpp > > But it doesn't like this at all. I thought there would be a C++ > executive in the archives, but none could be found. > > Any help would be appreciated. > Boisy, C++ support is included in "gcc2". It examines the extension on the source filename to determine whether it is C or C++. ex. sourcefile.c is a C file, sourcefile.cc is a C++ file - other examples in the docs -- extensions ".C" and ".cxx" are supposed to work to but the one that works for me is ".cc". I can understand why OS-9 wouldn't spot the difference between "c" and "C", but the ".cpp" should have worked. try "gcc2 hello.cc" or "gcc2 -++lib hello.cc" if you get linker errors. JohnW -*- 93267 10-AUG 06:30 General Information RE: Help with GNU C++ (Re: Msg 93248) From: BOISY To: JOHNREED > Boisy, > C++ support is included in "gcc2". It examines the extension on the > source filename to determine whether it is C or C++. ex. sourcefile.c > is a C file, sourcefile.cc is a C++ file - other examples in the > docs -- extensions ".C" and ".cxx" are supposed to work to but the one > that works for me is ".cc". I can understand why OS-9 wouldn't spot > the difference between "c" and "C", but the ".cpp" should have worked. > > try "gcc2 hello.cc" or "gcc2 -++lib hello.cc" if you get linker errors. > > JohnW > Thanks John, I figured out that indeed .cc is the correct extension. It seems .cpp is an extension given after the source has been through the preprocessor. Thanks again. -- Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY |_ _| \ \/ / CompuServe: 74464,3005 I use... _| |_ > < Internet: boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us |_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0 OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems -*- End of Thread. -*- 93226 4-AUG 07:08 General Information bimonthly From: JEJONES To: DSRTFOX Got the July/August issue. Will making 268m bimonthly lose you subscribers? Not in my case. Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. -*- 93261 8-AUG 21:03 General Information RE: bimonthly (Re: Msg 93226) From: DSRTFOX To: JEJONES On 4-AUG 07:08 JEJONES said to DSRTFOX > Got the July/August issue. Will making 268m bimonthly lose you >subscribers? Not in my case. > Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Hope everyone feels that way James! Just getting to be to much work, and my work load (real job!) has increased some, and may be more so in the future. I plan on becoming a USAF recruiter early next year, and going to school for six weeks would be a problem. With the change in publishing schedule, there will be no interuption in service. Francis (Frank) Swygert Publisher, "the world of 68' micros" Magazine `[1;36;40mRainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Registered -*- End of Thread. -*- 93231 4-AUG 23:43 Programmers Den va_arg() call in Ultra C From: PAGAN To: ALL Does anyone here know how to use the va_arg() function in Ultra C? I've figured out how to use va_start() and va_end() but what is it in va_arg that gives me the actual value of the parameter? Stephen Carville (PAGAN) -*- 93234 5-AUG 11:39 Programmers Den RE: va_arg() call in Ultra C (Re: Msg 93231) From: JEJONES To: PAGAN > Does anyone here know how to use the va_arg() function in Ultra C? > I've figured out how to use va_start() and va_end() but what is it > in va_arg that gives me the actual value of the parameter? va_arg takes two arguments--one is the va_list that contains some information about how to get to the next argument, and the other is a type (so that va_arg syntactically has to be a macro--C's, um, interesting type syntax constrains the types that can appear there, so you may have to typedef a type to make va_arg work). How va_arg works depends on the particular compiler and target processor, though often it will presume that arguments are passed on the stack, so that a va_list contains a pointer that va_arg dereferences after appropriate coercion and increments the pointer for the next time around. The basic idea is that va_arg lets you step through the optional arguments one at a time, in order (though if you have the urge, you can va_end, va_start, and grind through them again if you want). It's presumed that you know what types the optional arguments have; the standard example is printf(), in which the printf() code looks at the format string, says, "hmmm...%d; the next argument must be an int," and uses va_arg(alist, int) to access it. Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. -*- 93243 5-AUG 23:47 Programmers Den RE: va_arg() call in Ultra C (Re: Msg 93234) From: PAGAN To: JEJONES >The basic idea is that va_arg lets you step through the optional >arguments one at a time, in order (though if you have the urge, you >can va_end, va_start, and grind through them again if you want). >It's presumed that you know what types the optional arguments have; >the standard example is printf(), in which the printf() code looks >at the format string, says, "hmmm...%d; the next argument must be an >int," and uses va_arg(alist, int) to access it. Thanks, it worked perfectly. Stephen Carville (PAGAN) -*- End of Thread. -*- 93236 5-AUG 18:21 General Information bimonthly From: DBREEDING To: DSRTFOX Frank, James (JEJONES) said: > Got the July/August issue. Will making 268m bimonthly lose you > subscribers? Not in my case. I would like to echo my agreement here.. If it will be better, I'm satisfied with the new setup. I do look forward to getting each issue with great anticipation, but I much prefer getting 6 issues a year over the total loss of it all.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93238 5-AUG 20:39 General Information help From: ROBERT84 To: ALL Hi All, Does anyone know how I can remove all the changes the B&B program booster did to my boot file? Since my 6309 chip went bad and I put my old chip back, I can't access my hard drive. And of course I ran booster -u on all of my boot disks. Any help would be appreciated. Bob -*- 93244 6-AUG 01:31 General Information RE: help (Re: Msg 93238) From: DBREEDING To: ROBERT84 > Does anyone know how I can remove all the changes the B&B > program booster did to my boot file? Since my 6309 chip went > bad and I put my old > chip back, I can't access my hard drive. And of course I ran > booster -u on > all of my boot disks. Do you have the original distribution disk(s)? If you don't have a single other boot disk, you may need to go back to square one.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93253 6-AUG 22:20 General Information RE: help (Re: Msg 93244) From: ROBERT84 To: DBREEDING Hi Dave, That is what I was hoping I wouldn't have to do :-) Bob -*- 93271 10-AUG 21:26 General Information RE: help (Re: Msg 93253) From: DBREEDING To: ROBERT84 > That is what I was hoping I wouldn't have to do :-) It shouldn't be all that hard to do. If you have your HD driver in 6809 form - surely you do, you can first set up any bootable OS9 disk and add the driver to your os9boot, or if you don't want to go to that trouble, if you're using pretty much a minimal boot disk, you might be able to just load your HD driver and descriptor into memory and get access to your HD if you need the HD to get at critical files. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- End of Thread. -*- 93252 6-AUG 21:49 General Information IX info From: JOHNBAER To: DBREEDING Hello David, I just re-read your post about sending with IX.. > I instructed IX to send it unformatted ... OK - Use the ` .LT ' as the first characters of the first line. When your done with your message, and your at the prompt to `send' it, use the

ost command here. With the .LT at the beginning, all your text will be formatted the way _you_ typed it in. IX will Post it, just like you were online live. This is how I post my messages here. I don't use the nformatted command 8-) > I just didn't want to take any chances Go ahead and try it.. what's the worst that can happen, lockup Delphi . > BTW.. did you look at the B09 code yourself? I tried it for stdout > and also opened a file on /r0, and it came back good.. No.. not yet, but will be soon! -- John - Windows isn't a virus .. Virus's _do_ something. -*- 93269 10-AUG 21:26 General Information RE: IX info (Re: Msg 93252) From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER > > I instructed IX to send it unformatted ... > > OK - Use the ` .LT ' as the first characters of the first line. > When your done with your message, and your at the prompt to `send' > it, use the

ost command here. With the .LT at the beginning, > all your text will be formatted the way _you_ typed it in. IX will > Post it, just like you were online live. I think IX did this, but I'm not sure... things go by pretty fast I was trying to watch as it was posted, and did see some dot-command. Actually, I don't have to have unformatted posting very often. Only when I'm posting something like this or find I need it if I start a line out with a slash in naming a device descriptor > This is how I post my messages here. I don't use the nformatted > command 8-) I _will_ try to remember this.. I guess one could make a habit of starting with this, There doesn't seem to be any harm that could happen. > > I just didn't want to take any chances > > Go ahead and try it.. what's the worst that can happen, lockup > Delphi . About not taking chances, I meant by indenting. Nahh, lockups don't scare me now.. I've had so many in my time that they just come naturally, now. As a side note, in case you or anyone else is interested, I just made a strange discovery tonight.. On my CI$ connection, it's supposed to be a 14.4 connect, but it seemed that I got a 9600 connect about all the time. I figured it was just that they were too tight to buy new modems and were still using a lot of 9600's. I had not really noticed a pattern, but tonight, I went on with ix, connected at 9600, and, in fact, was joining a new forum and wanted to get all the messages. I had just gone online with sterm to check out my go command. It was 14.4 I tried several connects... each time, ix was 9600, sterm was 14.4. In my init string, I had "at s36=7". This was listed in my manual as the default, and I think it has been the default for everything I had known of. But in my factory setting, and both my nv-ram configs, it was 135. I took it out of my init string and ix went on at 14.4... This sounds strange, but apparently this is something with my modem, it doesn't want s36=7 for 14.4.. Gosh, I wish I had known that 20 minutes earlier ... BTW.. FWIW, my modem is a Supra 14.4 -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93288 13-AUG 12:58 General Information RE: IX info (Re: Msg 93269) From: JOHNBAER To: DBREEDING David, > About not taking chances, I meant by indenting. OK, understand now. I do the same thing.. indent by one. > As a side note... [snip] > In my init string, I had "at s36=7". (hehe) I wouldn't play with those S register's.. strange & wonderfull things _can_ happen. :) Unless the docs for your modem spellout just what these registers do, I would leave them along. On the LineLink 144e, they give you 2 commands for the S regs., `Sr?' to read/display register `r' and `Sr=n' for setting the register `r' Value to `n'... Ok, but nothing about _what_ these do . You have to hope that they're the same as Hayes settings... RIGHT!!! John - -*- 93298 13-AUG 21:51 General Information RE: IX info (Re: Msg 93288) From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER > > As a side note... [snip] > > In my init string, I had "at s36=7". > > (hehe) I wouldn't play with those S register's.. strange & wonderfull > things _can_ happen. :) Well, the docs said that 7 was supposed to be the default, but 135 was the value stored in mine. Actually, this was the value 7 plus bit 7 set. However,fter downloading the docs from the Supra Forum, it explains that bits 7-6 affect the fallback procedure or something.. I had already determined that something like this would have to be the case. > Unless the docs for your modem spellout just what these registers do, > I would leave them along. The docs that came with it explained most things fairly well. I don't fool with changing them very much. A few do help. I am amazed at the number of people who post messages asking for init strings and the like. I have had very few cases where the default could not at least conduct a successful session.. Many of them are customizations. > On the LineLink 144e, they give you 2 commands > for the S regs., `Sr?' to read/display register `r' and `Sr=n' for > setting the register `r' Value to `n'... Ok, but nothing about _what_ > these do . A few I have played with are S11, where a lower number will speed up the dialing. On mine, S95 affects the Connect report, and a few others do make a difference. But, all in all, I don't do a big lot with them except to play around with them. > You have to hope that they're the same as Hayes settings... RIGHT!!! Yeah, you -hope-. The big thing now that there are so many features being incorporated into the modems these days that it's getting to be that you almost need to go to school to learn all that they will do -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- End of Thread. -*- 93257 7-AUG 01:34 Telecom (6809) supercomm From: SMITHBA To: RANDYKWILSON Randy, In following with DOMM's comments. I tried using: SUPERCOMM -f=/r0/file <>>>/w& on sc 2.2 a send ascii box poped up asking for a file name. I just pressed enter and the box closed. no file was opened. on sc 2.3 it worked perfectly. I checked /r0 and found the file was created and waiting for me to open the buffer. I guess he will just have to wait, to get this great version 2.3 Later, BRIAN SMITH -*- 93264 9-AUG 19:03 General Information OS-9000 & Printer From: JOHNREED To: EDELMAR Hey Ed, I finally managed to get my printer working with OS-9000!! The secret: #$%#^#$%$%^&& IRQ conflict -- (what else?) It seems my sound card is set to IRQ-7 but it's IRQ can be changed with a software command. Resetting it to IRQ-10 and then booting OS-9000 gives me a printer that works. Messydos and OS-2 are probably resetting that IRQ for themselves, and Linux seems to ignore the sound card, but OS-9000 finds it on IRQ7 and does not like it. Now, I will reset the sound card's jumper to IRQ-10, and then see what THAT screws up. (Grin). I shoulda known it was the IRQ's , its ALWAYS the IRQ's. (mumble, grumble) JohnW -*- 93286 13-AUG 05:38 General Information RE: OS-9000 & Printer (Re: Msg 93264) From: EDELMAR To: JOHNREED > I finally managed to get my printer working with OS-9000!! > The secret: #$%#^#$%$%^&& IRQ conflict -- (what else?) > ... > ... > I shoulda known it was the IRQ's , its ALWAYS the IRQ's. > (mumble, grumble) Big GRIN!!! Guess I was lucky - while I have a CDROM, I never installed the sound card - still sitting in the box collecting dust. Ed -*- End of Thread. -*- 93265 9-AUG 23:42 General Information Bunk with a Monk From: REVWCP To: ALL Dear friends: I am planning on attending the Atlanta COCOFest and I am looking for a roommate(s) to share a hotel room with. I'll be arriving sometime Friday afternoon/evening and leaving Sunday late afternoon or evening. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +: With all best wishes, ::::: When all else fails :+ +: Brother Jeremy, CSJW ::::::::::: ask a Monk :::::+ +: OS9 Users Group Treasurer ::::::::::::::::::::::::+ +::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::+ +::: revwcp@delphi.com :::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::+ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -*- 93266 10-AUG 01:56 General Information CD-i Dev. System for sale From: DIGIGRADE To: ALL **** FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE **** CD-i 602 Development System for sale Barely used, Under Warranty, everything in perfect condition. Includes CD-i Mouse (I wish I could find as good a mouse as this!), Base case player ready to accept hard drives & ethernet cards. Cannot use Digital Video Cards. Other than that, it's a full fledged Development System! Fully supported by OptImage (a subsidiary of Philips). I know there are people who want this BAD so snatch it up quick! This unit was displayed at Chi' Fest '95 and uses composite or RGB video. Also uses a caddy system so all your CDs are safe from wear! Price? Price? Price?!? $1500 FIRM This is a STEAL!!! These things go for $3000 from Optimage!!! Please reply by E-Mail. Or call: (815)-756-7419 Hurry or it will be gone! Dave Pellerito - Digigrade Productions _____________________________________________________________________________ |Dave Pellerito - | Posted using InfoXpress | |Digigrade Productions - Digital Services | with an MM/1 running OSK | |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| | *********** Compact discs, the greatest idea since television *********** | |___________________________________________________________________________| -*- 93268 10-AUG 21:18 General Information MM/1 Single board & Mouse From: JOHNBAER To: ALL Anyone know if you can use the T1 port for a mouse on a MM/1 single board system ? The T0 is used as a modem port and a mouse would be nice :) Thanks in advance.. John - -*- 93275 11-AUG 01:44 General Information RE: MM/1 Single board & Mouse (Re: Msg 93268) From: WA2EGP To: JOHNBAER Well, I'll take a stab at it. In one of my manuals it mentions that ms is the serial mouse descriptor and if you are using it, I magine you could change it. But I think that is the original stuff. I don't have it on my system and I haven't quite located what could be changed and where (got later modules). Unforch, t1 does not have any lines for DTR, CD and RTS and this might make using that port for a mouse an impossibility. I have to dig into the books to find out. I got the extended system when I bought mine so I never looked into using a different port for the mouse. -*- 93277 12-AUG 00:07 General Information RE: MM/1 Single board & Mouse (Re: Msg 93275) From: JOHNBAER To: WA2EGP Thanks Bob! I also bought the extended system way back... Didn't need the `info' then :) I'll keep digging... John - -*- 93278 12-AUG 00:28 General Information RE: MM/1 Single board & Mouse (Re: Msg 93277) From: WA2EGP To: JOHNBAER Hey, no problem. I wish I had help the first time I got mine (grin). -*- End of Thread. -*- 93273 11-AUG 00:47 General Information NitrOS-9 v1.22 From: JMOORFOOT To: ALL I haven't had any success getting V1.22 to boot & received the following message (via internet) from Alan DeKok A quick question: are you running a Burke & Burke system? If so, that's probably the source of your problems with v1.22. Wes Gale found the problem, and uploaded a fix to Chestnut a little while ago. Well I am running a B&B system and chestnut doesn't look like coming back to life, so can anyone help me with the fix. John -*- 93276 11-AUG 23:09 General Information MM/1 For Sale From: ERNIEWITHERS To: ALL For Sale: Complete MM/1 System, S/N 120848 with IMS manuals Includes: IMS Slimline case & power supply I/O board OS-9/68000 v2.4 with Microware manuals 3 megabytes RAM 4 serial ports (/t0, /t1, /t2, & /t3) 2 parallel ports (/p & /p1) 2 1.4MB floppy drives 105 MB Quantum hard drive 101 key XT/AT switchable keyboard Logitech 3 button Series 9 serial mouse Magnavox 8CM515 color monitor MM/1 Technical Manual Software: FHL's FBU & FRS backup/restore software (Includes original FHL's DynaStar & DynaForm for 68000 disk & manual) BGFX Fontasee font editor WriteRight word processor Speedisk disk defragmenter Ved, Vprint, & Vmail EthaGUI Desktop TasCOM ColorSystems Game Pack Lots of public domain software All serious offers will be considered, preferably for the complete system but I will consider breaking it up. I'll bring everything to the Atlanta 'Fest if anyone is seriously interested. If interested, leave E-Mail. Ernest Withers CIS: 71545,1117 Delphi: ERNIEWITHERS -*- 93280 12-AUG 07:07 General Information CONFERENCE NOTICE (a little late) From: MROWEN01 To: ALL POSTED: 12 Aug 95 HAVE YOU FILLED OUT YOUR DATA SHEET FOR THE OS-9 SOURCE BOOK PROJECT? EMAIL FOR MORE INFORMATION (UG Membership is not required): /////////////////////////////// // DELPHI CONFERENCE NOTICE: // /////////////////////////////// OS-9 Late Night Conference w/ Chris Perrault ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, 14 Aug 95 - 10PM ET - Open Discussion Monday, 21 Aug 95 - 10PM ET - Open Discussion ////////////////////////////// // GENIE CONFERENCE NOTICE: // ////////////////////////////// Coco Real Time Conference ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Every Sunday - Open discussion forum 9-10PM ET //////////////////////////// // IRC CONFERENCE NOTICE: // //////////////////////////// OS-9 IRC Conference Type /join #os9 once inside IRC ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday, 13 Aug 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum Sunday, 27 Aug 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum ---------------------------- ATTENTION! -------------------------- Are there any other on-line conferences happening out there? If you know of other conferences or events that are taking place on other on-line services (AOL,Genie,CIS, etc.) please send mail to me at either address listed below. I will post any information I receive. Mike Rowen VP OS-9/6809 OS-9 Users Group mrowen01@delphi.com -*- 93282 12-AUG 14:54 General Information Win 95 From: DBREEDING To: ALL Hey, all Has anyone seen the Win-95 Demo CD? I saw part of it recently.. Hey, did you know that, according to the demo, you can actually take Win-95 and start printing something and then, go back and do something else while you are STILL PRINTING THE DOCUMENT? YES! Isn't that amazing? In the demo, they say, "It isn't magic.. It's Win 95" What will they think of next? Have any of you heard of anything so amazing as being able to do TWO WHOLE TASKS on your computer AT THE SAME TIME??? Hard to believe, isn't it? I also saw a review of Win 95 in the Aug US News & World Report. About multitasking, they say, ".. You can have two or three programs, or more, open at once. " It will still occasionally crash - ... - but most users will find multitasking works most of the time." ^^^^ Heh heh.. I guess as long as it works -part- of the time, it's better than not at all.. Just think about it, a concept that's been pretty well perfected what - 15 years? and they still haven't got it right. Maybe someday... -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93304 13-AUG 23:43 General Information RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93282) From: WA2EGP To: DBREEDING I have seen it. I'm almost as impressed as you are. I have some old fossil machines and software that people used to run businesses (inventory, payroll, ledger, etc. on 64 K!) so the PC stuff looks like a lot of "bells-and-whistles" added to very basic stuff. Since most computer users never had experience with pre-PC machines, most of this stuff looks great. OF course, I wouldn't want to try a spreadsheet on a PDP-8 (grin). -*- 93315 16-AUG 21:58 General Information RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93282) From: THETAURUS To: DBREEDING >>Has anyone seen the Win-95 Demo CD? I saw part of it recently.. Hey, did you know that, according to the demo, you can actually take Win-95 and start printing something and then, go back and do something while you are STILL PRINTING THE DOCUMENT? YES! Isn't that amazing? WOW!!! This is great, finally the technology to allow desktop computers to multitask has arrived. We can all thank Microsoft for inventing this! Now, David, you're completely sure about this right? You mean, while you are printing a document, you actually run and use a completely different process, AT THE SAME TIME? Do you think think this will open the doors for say, a person to someday be able to download a file from an electronic service, while also using another application at the same time? Perhaps even print a file on top of that? This is truly groundbreaking, and I hope everyone else like me will completely ditch whatever lowly systems they own now, including that ultimate Windows imitator, the Macintosh, and move over to the leading edge of computing, Windows! ;-) >Chris< -*- 93320 17-AUG 21:03 General Information RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93304) From: DBREEDING To: WA2EGP > I have seen it. I'm almost as impressed as you are. I have some old > fossil machines and software that people used to run businesses > (inventory, payroll, ledger, etc. on 64 K!) so the PC stuff looks like a > lot of "bells-and-whistles" > added to very basic stuff. Since most computer users never had > experience with pre-PC machines, most of this stuff looks great. Heh-heee.. I remember a few years ago when DOS finally got to where they could just load 2 programs in memory... not run them, just load a couple.. A PC person thought they'd just landed on Mars or something. It's amazing to watch MS-Dos grow and improve. Each improvement makes it look more and more like Unix/OS9 or the Mac.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93324 17-AUG 23:07 General Information RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93320) From: WA2EGP To: DBREEDING IF you have been following the Doonesbury comics, you can see what I thought of when I read your last message. Paraphrased...."looks like a Mac. Can they do that?" (Reading on box) "Supported by 300 lawyers." BTW, I've been thinking of starting a class action suit against Microsoft for using my nickname for one of their products (all in jest of course). Ain't computers fun? Bob (the original) -*- 93329 18-AUG 01:02 General Information RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93315) From: DBREEDING To: THETAURUS > >>Has anyone seen the Win-95 Demo CD? I saw part of it > recently.. Hey, did you know that, according to the demo, you can > actually take Win-95 and start printing something and then, go > back and do something while you are STILL PRINTING THE DOCUMENT? > YES! Isn't that amazing? > > WOW!!! This is great, finally the technology to allow desktop > computers to multitask has arrived. We can all thank Microsoft for > inventing this! Now, David, you're completely sure about this > right? Yes, at least they said they would.. I guess if it weren't for Microsquish, this amazing technology would never have seen the light of day... > You mean, while you are printing a document, you actually > run and use a completely different process, AT THE SAME TIME? I -KNEW- no one would believe me ... :-( > This is truly groundbreaking, > and I hope everyone else like me will completely ditch whatever > lowly systems they own now, including that ultimate Windows > imitator, the Macintosh, and move over to the leading edge of > computing, Windows! Why surely. Judging from this, there is no equal.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93332 18-AUG 20:13 General Information RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93324) From: JOHNREED To: WA2EGP > been thinking of starting a class action suit against Microsoft for using > my nickname for one of their products (all in jest of course). Ain't > computers fun? Bob (the original) > Too Late, Bob, It was my understanding that Mircrosoft has already Copyrighted "Bob", YOU must either obtain a license or change your name. Sorry. (exit ducking and grinning) John -*- 93336 19-AUG 02:02 General Information RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93324) From: DBREEDING To: WA2EGP > IF you have been following the Doonesbury comics, you can see what I > thought of > when I read your last message. Paraphrased...."looks like a Mac. Can > they do that?" (Reading on box) "Supported by 300 lawyers." I don't follow Doonesbury very closely. My favorites are Wizard and B.C. > BTW, I've > been thinking of starting a class action suit against Microsoft for using > my nickname for one of their products (all in jest of course). Ain't > computers fun? Bob (the original) I saw a neat "press release from Microsoft" about BOB. Did it come through here? If not, I can post it. It tells what they will permit in people's names etc. It was kinda neat. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93341 19-AUG 22:46 General Information RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93315) From: WDTV5 To: THETAURUS Fur crying in the beer, please don't bite down, you'll amputate that tongue stuck out there in that cheek! hahahahahaha. It would be funny if it wasn't such a crying shame that we've been doing that for, gee, whatzit, 13 years now? Cheers, Gene -*- 93342 19-AUG 22:51 General Information RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93324) From: WDTV5 To: WA2EGP The "original" eh? Reminds me once of a conversation I had on the cow barn radio (CB) with a fellow that had been using the same handle I was using for several years. When he found out I was in fact first (1958) he sure changed handles in a hurry! Spose we could do that with Bill's stuff too?/ Cheers, Gene -*- 93344 20-AUG 00:20 General Information RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93332) From: WA2EGP To: JOHNREED I have prior use. Which was recognized by the government. So there! (This is all in jest guys) -*- 93345 20-AUG 00:22 General Information RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93336) From: WA2EGP To: DBREEDING Yeah. I saw it. A friend of mine emailed it to me. And, of couse, his name is Bob. (grin) -*- 93346 20-AUG 00:27 General Information RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93342) From: WA2EGP To: WDTV5 Well, more original than their "Bob". In those days, a person who used another person's "handle" could result in a shooting! (At least in this area of the world) I think a better idea would be to treat it as an acronym and figure out what it means. Unforch, Deskmate doesn't fit. (Ooooh I'm gonna hear it for that one ) -*- 93347 20-AUG 00:35 General Information RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93346) From: WDTV5 To: WA2EGP Seems I recall a mate that fit on a desk once 8:) Maybe several times. Cheers, Gene -*- 93355 20-AUG 12:34 General Information RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93336) From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING Hi Dave, If I am not too mistaken, I think I posted such a message here right after Bob was released. Saw it in one of the computer publications here in San Diego and thought people here might enjoy reading it. I laughed so hard I fell out of my chair. By the way, does anyone know the pronunciation of BOB if it is spelled backwards? ;-) LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 93365 20-AUG 23:34 General Information RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93345) From: DBREEDING To: WA2EGP (NR) > Yeah. I saw it. A friend of mine emailed it to me. And, of couse, his > name is Bob. (grin) I thought it was pretty neat. It amazes me what these computer types come up with satiring the big guys. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93367 20-AUG 23:35 General Information RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93341) From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5 > Fur crying in the beer, please don't bite down, you'll amputate that > tongue stuck out there in that cheek! hahahahahaha. It would be funny > if it wasn't such a crying shame that we've been doing that for, gee, > whatzit, 13 years now? Yeah, ain't it sad that we don't have a "superior" system like that? I have always thought that OS9 is not for the novice, but there's a lady here on our local BBS, who uses a PC. Every time she tries to install -anything- it's a month-long process. She tried to install WinCIM last week. I think one of her problems is her so-called technician, but it won't even communicate with the modem. I suspect the modem is set up for some oddball IRQ and Windows is not set up right. Apparently when you get your BIOS, DOS, and whatever set up, you then have to go in and tell dummy Windoze what you've done, too.. It's too brain-dead to figure it out itself, I suppose. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93370 21-AUG 00:41 General Information RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93367) From: WDTV5 To: DBREEDING (NR) Yeah, I liked that signoff somebody had. "Windoze is NOT a virus, viruses do something" Cheers, Gene -*- End of Thread. -*- 93283 12-AUG 21:14 OSK Applications MM/1 From: VAXELF To: WA2EGP BTW, the basic MM/1 CPU board has 3 serial ports on it. All three are usable to 19200 baud. Only /t1 can not use hardware flow control. It only has 2,3,& 7. You will need the I/O board to get /t3 & /t4. Those are good to 38400 baud. the /t1 may be better suited to be used on a serial printer since it is a basic serial port. you will need a cable and paddle board to use it. David has both in stock. I think the set runs around $45.00 John D. P.S. I use /t0 to run a MFJ1274 TNC , /t1 to a MFJ1278B. Work great. the 1274 is in KISS mode and runs OSK version of KA9Q. -*- 93303 13-AUG 23:28 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 (Re: Msg 93283) From: WA2EGP To: VAXELF Yeah, most of the serials ports are partially brain-dead. I have already ordered paddle boards for mine. 'bout time I get the 14.4 K modem hooked up to it (had the darn thing for over a year) before it becomes obsolete. I should get on packet again. Have a couple of old TNC-1/TNC-1 clones here. Just partial to the 6809 (grin). -*- End of Thread. -*- 93289 13-AUG 18:08 General Information AR 1.4 for MSDOS From: JMURPHY To: ALL I've uploaded a version of AR 1.4 ported over to MSDOS, with Carl's permission. S. Turner did the original port, I've recompiled it using Borland C. Minimal online help is available. For full docs, please see the COCO or OSK versions. Any questions or complaints regarding this version should be directed to me, JMURPHY, not Carl or Simmy. Have fun! John Murphy -*- 93290 13-AUG 18:41 General Information Conference Update&Misc From: THETAURUS To: ALL I'm sorry about the somewhat long delay, but I am finally done making the schedule for the Augest/September Latenight. For one, I forgot the original date of the Atlanta conference that Newton and I agreed on, because I didn't write it down on one of my 5 pieces of scrap paper blowing around my desk and it took me a while to nail down the other major dates, but everything has panned out and the schedule not only is ready(albeit 3 weeks late), but is a good one too. The full schedule will be in the next post, and Mike Rowen will, as usual, be posting it in his conference updates, but I'll give you a quick rundown here. Our big one for the end of September will be a conference on the Sculptor Database system with the President of KD Associates, Kurt Johnson. The week before that we will have our Atlanta prefest conference 'See You in Atlanta' like we did last year. Again, Newton White of the Atlanta Computer Society will be with us for the complete rundown. Sidenote, make your reservations for the fest now, if you haven't already. I don't know about the other publications but an ad in the latest 'world of 68 micros' has all the details. Returning will be Mike Rowen, the UG's VP of 6809 for a continuation of the conference he had last month! And one more Biggie...Our 1 year anniversary! Augest seems to be a good month for anniversaries, as not only did Frank Swygert reach the 2 year goal with '268m', but OS-9 Late Night will be celebrating it's first year. Augest is definately a month to celebrate(and plan ahead to the next year!). Tomorrow night(Monday, Augest 14), will be an Open Forum, so please stop in, kick back, and teach me about OS-9!!! Oh yeah, another note, to Dave Breeding and those of you helping me out with my adventures in Basic09, I haven't forgotten you. I do intend to get back to you with an update. I just haven't been at the machine that much over the last week or two. Between work and the fact that it seems my car engine is blown(it seems my Olds has been spending too much time with Frank Swygert's Rambler...), I've just been preoccupied. Hopefully I'll get a little time with it tonight, and maybe will have some possible solutions to some of this either tomorrow night or later this week. I just didn't want to give the impression I was asking for help then brushing the advice under a rug. And since I'm rambling...I got the latest '268m' and agree with James Jones. If going bimonthly will help Frank(and therefore improve an already great magazine), I say go for it. It's only an extra two weeks, which isn't much to ask. Since I have not only the latest issue, but _Mastering OS-9_ and _Tandy's Little Wonder_ which I recently purchased from Farna, I have plenty of reading material to keep me busy! All I have to do is send my renewal in(rattle my cage in a couple weeks guys in case I forget). This was a good issue, and I'm glad to hear there are a lot of people submitting articles. If you are writing articles for '268m' or any OS-9 publication for that matter, KEEP IT UP! There is no such thing as too many articles, and I hope to get a few in to '268m' myself before starting college this fall. Blackhawk and Whittman seem to be serious in pushing the latest MM/1b machine, judging from the ads in the latest issue. Has anyone purchased this yet? It seems like a good deal, tho at first I didn't consider it, because I wanted a full blown regular MM/1, or a System V(latter for Gwindows support), but lately it has been looking like a good developers machine with a good price. If my car problems aren't so serious(ie: it's not the engine but more of a $200 problem, which is my preference), I may consider using the loan money on this instead, if I can count on Kwindows being ported in the near future. That's a big if tho... :-/ If you own one of these, I'd be interested in an owner's review of it, similar to what David Breeding did in 268m with his System V. See Ya Chris Perrault OS-9 Users' Group Sourcebook Coordinator -*- 93291 13-AUG 18:44 General Information Latenight Schedule From: THETAURUS To: ALL OS-9 Late Night Conference Schedual For Augest AND September Date Time(EST) Topic Augest 7, 1995 10:00 PM Open Forum Augest 14, 1995 10:00 PM Open Forum Augest 21, 1995 10:00 PM Open Forum Augest 28, 1995 10:00 PM Happy Anniversary! Can you believe it?! OS-9 Late Night rounds it's first year, this month, and what a year it has been! Don't miss our anniversary get together, when we review the past year and some of the great conferences we've had, as well as what is planned for the upcoming year! September 4, 1995 10:00 PM OS-9 UG VP of 6809 Last time, we just scratched the surface. This month, Mike Rowen, the OS-9 Users' Group Vice President of 6809, returns to continue on ideas that were discussed last month. With so much to be done to keep the blood flowing in the OS-9 community, you will need to become INVOLVED in any little way you can. This is a good opportunity to find out what YOU can do to help the UG, as well as a chance to enlighten us with your own ideas! September 11, 1995 10:00 PM Open Forum September 18, 1995 10:00 PM See You in Atlanta! Newton White, from the Atlanta Computer Society will be here to preview the upcoming Atlanta CocoFest(9/30,10/31). If you want to know who will be there, how you can get there, and what it's like to be at an Atlanta Cocofest, this is the place to be. If you haven't registered to attend, do so now!! September 25, 1995 10:00 PM Sculptor W/KD Associates Kurt Johnson, President of KD Associates will be here to answer your questions about Sculptor, the highly touted OS-9 database that is used all over! Sculptor has been THE database for OS-9 based systems for years now, and it is flexible enough to be used for many different applications. Kurt will discuss some of the possibilities as well as some of the places and companies that currently use Sculptor, such as NASA. Until recently when KD Associates began running ads in the MOTD, Sculptor was hard to find and many considered it an abandoned work. Now the word is out. Sculptor is back and supported 100%, and we will learn more about it right here, on OS-9 Late Night! -*- 93293 13-AUG 19:22 OSK Applications RE: OSK C Bug (Re: Msg 92931) From: KSCALES To: WRHAMBLEN (NR) > The Microware C compiler release 3.2 running under OS-9/68000 release 2.4 > apparently has a problem with the ? operator and string constants. A > line of code such as: > > s = flag ? "string1" : "string2" > > sometimes generates code with the wrong value for the pointer to a > string constant. This caused me a bit of head-scratching. The work > around is to avoid this construct or to use GCC. Bud - Right. I ran into this problem too when I ported the 'sc' spreadsheet. (Gee, looking at my files, that was FOUR years ago now! How time flies.) It meant I had to put "ifdef OSK" conditionals around quite a few occurences in the port. I haven't been bit by it for quite a while, and guess I started to pass it off as being due to having received some pre-OS-9 V2.4 modules on my master disks, and figured that the updates MAY have fixed this. But you're not running an MM/1, are you? So this means that the problem likely still remains in the final release, too. Probably I have just been avoiding using the troublesome cases. As I remember it, most code using the "?:" ternary operator works fine; it was only with strings, and then mostly with compound embedded statements that I encountered the problem. Cheers... / Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237 -*- 93295 13-AUG 19:22 Telecom (6809) AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93111) From: KSCALES To: DBREEDING > > Is there anyone else out there who uses AlphaSoft's Warp1 for OS-9 > > telecommunications? > > If I use the > > buffer to screen capture and then list -- it gives me a double spaced > > list. > > That's in the listing of the buffer only? I had the same problem with > OSTerm. You can turn off LF's, (at least in OSTerm), but then if you > want to view it on the screen, it keeps overwriting the single line, > until a true LF is sent. Hi, David -- Thought I would add a bit of clarification. First, the version of OSTerm you are describing is the 6809 one. OSTerm/68K automatically strips linefeeds from the capture buffer (and will also strip the ANSI/VT100 sequences when in the appropriate mode). The default for either version of OSTerm would be to NOT enable automatic linefeeds. Turning _on_ LFs (with either version) _only_ affects what is sent to the display, and is intended to permit compatibility with hosts that DON'T automatically send CRLF pairs after each line. In fact, it would be a rare case where this configuration would be used, since most hosts do send CRLF pairs, except when set for a special terminal emulation. (That is, turning on the extra linefeeds should rarely be necessary.) As an extra twist, OSTerm/68K V2.3 includes another option for VT100 compatibility: "newline" mode allows it to be configured so that a "CR" is inserted following each received "LF". Fun, eh? > There are a couple of solutions. > > 1. use a utility to strip out LF's > 2. For screen listings, set tmode -lf for the screen > 3. Use the command "merge" instead of list. This won't > work for the printer unless you have it set to not provide its > own linefeeds. Another option that I use is: 4. Use the command "copy filename /p" to send the file to the printer. Cheers... / Ken (finally catching up on my forum reading...) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237 -*- 93306 14-AUG 21:06 Telecom (6809) RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93111) (Re: Msg 93295) From: DBREEDING To: KSCALES My statement: > > That's in the listing of the buffer only? I had the same problem with > > OSTerm. You can turn off LF's, (at least in OSTerm), but then if you > > want to view it on the screen, it keeps overwriting the single line, > > until a true LF is sent. > First, the version of OSTerm you are describing is the 6809 one. Right. I was, indeed, referring to the 6809 version. I am not familiar with the OSK version, since, AFAIK, there is no termcap version available. > OSTerm/68K automatically strips linefeeds from the capture buffer (and > will also strip the ANSI/VT100 sequences when in the appropriate mode). Two great features. The feature about stripping out the control sequences is really neat. A capture buffer is something that one often wishes to review. The linefeeds are, as we have resolved, not all that hard to work around, albeit just a little extra work, but the control sequences can be really messy. STerm strips out the ESC but leaves in the subsequent control characters.. makes for rather messy reading > As an extra twist, OSTerm/68K V2.3 includes another option for VT100 > compatibility: "newline" mode allows it to be configured so that > a "CR" is inserted following each received "LF". > > Fun, eh? Well, it does make for completeness.. BTW.. I have noticed one thing with a local BBS. I don't know how often you will encounter this, but on screen pause, it issues a prompt, kinda centered on the line, "Slap a key", FWIW... When you press your key, the BBS sends extra BS's, about 20 -30. About everything I have, both OSK and CoCo keep backspacing up into the previous line. Apparently most PC programs stop the backspace at the left margin, one program had the cursor "bumping" the left margin with the extra backspaces. Would this be too hard to implement? Or is this backspacing up into the previous line necessary for some applications? > > There are a couple of solutions. > > > > 1. use a utility to strip out LF's > > 2. For screen listings, set tmode -lf for the screen > > 3. Use the command "merge" instead of list. This won't > > work for the printer unless you have it set to not provide its > > own linefeeds. > > Another option that I use is: > > 4. Use the command "copy filename /p" to send the file to the printer. Yep, used that one too, forgot to mention it, Speaking of the various ways to skin a cat... we can surely get him skinned here, can't we. Good to hear from you Ken. This is some more good news on OSTerm. The only better thing I could hear would be the appearance of a termcap or G-Windows version -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- End of Thread. -*- 93299 13-AUG 22:48 General Information help From: ROBERT84 To: ALL Hi All, I hate to ask this twice, but about 3 weeks ago I asked if anyone knew where I could get a 6309 chip because mine is toast. Well someone gave me a list of several address, and I have lost them. I would appreciate it if that person or someone else could give me that list again. Thanks, Bob -*- 93300 13-AUG 22:58 General Information RE: help (Re: Msg 93299) From: RANDYKWILSON To: ROBERT84 Bob, Since your address list was posted in a forum message, it is still in the message base. You just need to find it again. The message you seek is #93189. I found it by doing a selective read, starting at 92500 (which, at current posting rates, is probably six months old). "read 92500+ to ROBERT84". The first one up is the correct one. Try *that* with this new-n-improved GUI. :> Randy -*- End of Thread. -*- 93308 14-AUG 21:24 General Information The New AT306 From: BOISY To: ALL With the recent messages about the new AT306 (a.k.a WCP306, MM/1b), I'd like to share some thoughts I have regarding this machine and its potential. While realizing that the AT306 won't launch the fifth dynasty of the personal OS-9 community, it is still an excellent introductory OS-9 machine, and I'm excited to be a part of the development team. The AT306 represents a chance for us, the personal OS-9 programmers, to start over and do things right. I think the low cost of this board will make it a popular item. We can take the experience and mistakes that we learned from the MM/1 and apply them to make a better supported, more versatile machine. Some comparisons between the AT306 and the MM/1: - COST For around $400, you get the 68306 board. For another $50, you can purchase a case and power supply for it. Add $30 for a cheap AT keyboard, $40 for a 3.5" 1.44MB floppy drive, and $70 for two 1MB SIMMs for a total of 2MB. Using a CoCo as a terminal, you have an OSK machine for under $600 - PC AT BUS Now I can finally buy those PC cards I've been lusting after for years. Internal modems, VGA cards, sound cards, game cards, super duper I/O cards. You name it, and it will probably work. - VGA, VGA and VGA Kiss that 15KHz monitor restriction goodbye. Kiss that damn interlace goodbye. Say hello to 4x3 aspect ratio graphics, high high resolution graphics, easy-to-read VGA fonts and text scrolling that doesn't eat the CPU. I've seen the hardware text scrolling on the 306. In one word: F-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-S-T. - AT KEYBOARDS Recall that the MM/1 only uses XT keyboards which are getting harder and harder to find. Plus, in my experience, one out of every two XT keyboards I've tried with the MM/1 doesn't work, narrowing the choices that much more. The AT306 uses an AT keyboard. Hallelujah! Again, I can go to (insert favorite local computer superstore here) and pick up the latest AT keyboard/mouse/calculator/keypad and know that it will work fine on the AT306. - NO MORE PADDLE BOARDS Amen and amen again! Not only does the AT306 come with FOUR serial ports standard (two 68681 variants, and two high-throughput 16550s), but all that's needed is a 10pin dual row header connector going to a DB-9 or DB-25 connector, mounted to the back of the PC chassis. - I CAN MOUNT IT IN A PC CASE This board is designed for a Baby AT case, and just "drops in." I don't have to break out the drill and bits, align (and mis-align), or fill my case with unwanted holes. - AFFORDABLE MASS STORAGE IDE may not be on the same par as SCSI, but it is cheap, readily available and pretty fast too. 4x IDE CD-ROM drives are quite a bit cheaper than SCSI ones. Cheap tape backup solutions are available (Ditto, Conner, etc) - MEMORY You can go up to 64MB with the AT306, as opposed to the 11MB of the MM/1. - K-WINDOWS... NOT! Believe it or not, K-Windows is an interesting example on how not to write a windowing system. Let's not be bitter: I'm not knocking Kevin Darling, who I think is an excellent programmer, but K-Windows is too tied to old methods and ideas. It's fine for the MM/1. In my opinion, K-Windows MAKES the MM/1 what it is. But the 306 has the potential to run more mature graphics packages like MGR, X-Windows and G-Windows without a hitch. As a community, we should rally around one of these graphical environments. There's only one thing the MM/1 has that the AT306 doesn't: DMA. I would have liked to have seen this on the AT306, but it was left out so as to keep the price down. Given all of the advantages listed above, I'm not all that concerned about the lack of DMA. My AT306 comes in on Wednesday. Once I have it up and running, I'll post my impressions here on the forum. -- Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY |_ _| \ \/ / CompuServe: 74464,3005 I use... _| |_ > < Internet: boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us |_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0 OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems -*- 93316 16-AUG 21:58 General Information RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93308) From: THETAURUS To: BOISY >>With the recent messages about the new AT306 (a.k.a WCP306, MM/1b), I'd like to share some thoughts I have regarding this machine and it's potential.<< Thanks for this post Boisy, and also for the information you shared on this on last Monday's OS-9 Late Night. Before learning more about the machine and why KWindows was dropped for this in favor of MGR, I had assumed it was just simply an attempt at a cheaper MM/1, with little expandability and future potential. From the details you shared, I was dead wrong. Not only does it appear more expandable then the MM/1, it appears to have a more overall sound hardware design that is at the same time, current. Also, it now appears MGR is actually a plus to have rather than just what I thought was a cheap attempt to replace Kwindows. Not only is it a more current windowing system(going by your post. I'm not experienced with either), but it should be less expensive to add to a system and port as it isn't a commercial product, plus there should already be an existing software base for this GUI. This already makes the machine much more marketable outside the Coco community. If only we get a few new apps written for the new platform as well as port the already existing Kwindows software base(which is pretty impressive itself), we may actually be able to carve a nitch. Here's hoping at least half the people attending Atlanta Fest walks out with one of these boards. Now to address another issue... >>Using a Coco as a terminal, you have an OSK machine for under $600.<< Now why would using the Coco as a terminal be necessary? Is there a proper video card available to allow it to run as a desktop system? I hope this isn't something that has to be run as a term based system only, ala the Kix machines without MGA. Since MGR is included, I assume this isn't the case and there is a board or card available to make it a 'real' computer :-) I'm looking for to your review once you get your system. I'm real excited about this too! See Ya >Chris< -*- 93326 18-AUG 01:01 General Information RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93308) From: DBREEDING To: BOISY > With the recent messages about the new AT306 (a.k.a WCP306, MM/1b), I'd > like to share some thoughts I have regarding this machine and its > potential. > The AT306 represents a chance for us, the personal OS-9 programmers, to > start over and do things right. I think the low cost of this board will > make it a popular item. We can take the experience and mistakes that we > learned from the MM/1 and apply them to make a better supported, more > versatile machine. > > Some comparisons between the AT306 and the MM/1: > - PC AT BUS > Now I can finally buy those PC cards I've been lusting > after for years. This is a great feature. The only drawback in choosing a card is the fact that you need a driver. I wonder if the same driver would work for the PT/Delmar systems. If this be the case, this would enhance the choices immensely. The AT306 could use drivers already written for these and there would no doubt be people in the 306 side who would want to write drivers that don't yet exist. But this might be wishful thinking on my part. > - VGA, VGA and VGA > Kiss that 15KHz monitor restriction goodbye. Kiss that damn > interlace goodbye. Say hello to 4x3 aspect ratio graphics, high > high resolution graphics, easy-to-read VGA fonts and text scrolling > that doesn't eat the CPU. Yes, and VGA monitors are easy to find. In addition to that, if you have to buy a new 15KHz, a 14" costs almost as much as a 15" SVGA monitor. Of course, if you get G-Windows running, you might want a 17". With small fonts, you can get 4 full 80x24 screens displayed in full at the same time. You can do this with a 15" or 14", too, but they are just a little bit tiny > - AFFORDABLE MASS STORAGE > IDE may not be on the same par as SCSI, but it is cheap, > readily available and pretty fast too. 4x IDE CD-ROM drives > are quite a bit cheaper than SCSI ones. Cheap tape backup > solutions are available (Ditto, Conner, etc) I have IDE and am totally thrilled with it. > - K-WINDOWS... NOT! > Believe it or not, K-Windows is an interesting example on how > not to write a windowing system. Let's not be bitter: I'm not knocking > Kevin Darling, who I think is an excellent programmer, but K-Windows is > too tied to old methods and ideas. It's fine for the MM/1. In my > opinion, K-Windows MAKES the MM/1 what it is. But the 306 has the > potential to run more mature graphics packages like MGR, X-Windows and > > G-Windows without a hitch. As a community, we should rally around one > of these graphical environments. I'm hoping for G-Windows . This is what I have and I really hope to see one common graphics interface come to the front, and of course you know what I am hoping for. > There's only one thing the MM/1 has that the AT306 doesn't: DMA. > I would have liked to have seen this on the AT306, but it was left out so > as to keep the price down. Given all of the advantages listed above, I'm > not all that concerned about the lack of DMA. Well, that is one thing I would liked to have had on mine. The HD is so fast, it presents no problem, but if you are trying to work with the floppy, say format, or copy the whole disk, you just as well hang it up. In this respect, I think the original HALT CoCo gave you more chances to get something sandwiched in But, as you say, with all the other advantages, I'm not going to cry over mine, and I'm sure you can get around it with the 306. > My AT306 comes in on Wednesday. Once I have it up and running, I'll post > my impressions here on the forum. I'm looking forward to hearing about it myself. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93327 18-AUG 01:01 General Information RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93316) From: DBREEDING To: THETAURUS > >>With the recent messages about the new AT306 (a.k.a WCP306, > MM/1b), I'd like to share some thoughts I have regarding this > machine and it's potential.<< > If only we get a few new apps written for the new > platform as well as port the already existing Kwindows software > base(which is pretty impressive itself), we may actually be able > to carve a nitch. Well, I'm certain all Termcap-based software will be a shoe-in, and there's a tremendous database for this out there. They may not be as "fancy" as the windows-based apps, but they work. > Now to address > another issue... > > >>Using a Coco as a terminal, you have an OSK machine for under > $600.<< > > Now why would using the Coco as a terminal be necessary? Is > there a proper video card available to allow it to run as a > desktop system? I hope this isn't something that has to be run as > a term based system only, ala the Kix machines without MGA. Well, from the description, it is only a matter of writing a driver for some video board. I'm sure someone has written one for -some- board. I suspect what he meant was that you could get up and running if you didn't want to purchase a board and monitor right away. Going back to what I said above, all you'd have to do to run termcap-based software would be to setenv TERM COCO. It would work perfectly. > Since > MGR is included, I assume this isn't the case and there is a board > or card available to make it a 'real' computer :-) I would prefer to have it as you call it a 'real' computer, but still, if you wanted to get started on a budget, you'd have a really neat setup with the coco term. Where you'd see the difference would be when you unzipped a 200K file or the like. > I'm looking for to your review once you get your system. I'm > real excited about this too! As I told Boisy, I am looking forward to seeing what he comes up with, myself. This should prove quite interesting. As you said, this might expand our userbase significantly. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93343 19-AUG 22:56 General Information RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93326) From: WDTV5 To: DBREEDING David, silly Q: Does that IDE interface do dma? The reason I ask is that for the life of me, I can't seem to train the driver on my amiga to use one of the 25 dma channels it has! This coco at 9600 baud is far more dependable than the amiga which even with a buffered extra card seriel port kit, still drops chars by the paragraph during text non-stop captures cause it blocks all irq's and uses the cpu to move the data to the drive! Major pain in the drain that. Cheers, Gene -*- 93357 20-AUG 17:09 General Information RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93308) From: EDELMAR To: BOISY (NR) Boisy, Some comments regarding your messages re the AT306. In message #93308 you state - > The AT306 represents a chance for us, the personal OS-9 programmers, to > start over and do things right. .... This opportunity existed from the time the SYSTEM IV was introduced in Atlanta - the same time the MM/1 was shown publicly. Prior to the intro- duction of the SYSTEM IV, this opportunity existed with the K1 and K2 boards from Peripheral Technology. You continue outlining the advantages of the AT306 vs the MM/1. I won't get into a long discourse of your points. Suffice it to say that most of the advantages you outlined have been available to this community for many years with the IV. Many in the community have purchased and are quite satisfied with their IVs. Others have upgraded to the SYSTEM V. I do question one statement you made - > - AFFORDABLE MASS STORAGE > IDE may not be on the same par as SCSI, but it is cheap, > readily available and pretty fast too. Neither tests we have run, tests published in several of the PC magazines nor tests by several of the VME hardware manufacturers substantiate such a statement. If you pick and choose test results, you can prove either is faster. My experience is that a greater variation exists between drive manufacturers and models. The SCSI and IDE versions of a given drive will produce about the same results. SCSI-2 and SCSI-FAST are intended to be faster and there are drive/scsi boards/driver combinations available for MSDOS that do come close to expectations. However, I've yet to see or hear of anyone demonstrating these advantages under OS-9. In message #93318 you did express surprise at the performance of your IDE drive . In message #93318 you listed some dhrystone results which I found somewhat baffling. > Dhrystone 2.1, 10000 iterations: > MM/1a (13.89MHz 68340) : 4395 > MM/1 (15Mhz 68070) : 3229 > AT306 (16.67Mhz 68306) : 4239 In Atlanta, when the SYSTEM IV was introduced, Kevin Pease asked if he could run his dhrystone program on the IV. He stated the MM/1 ran at about 1000 for 50000 passes. (This is Dhrystone Version 1.0 - I have a copy.) The SYSTEM IV (16 Mhz 68000) came in at 1666 for 50000 passes. If we 'normalize' and use the MM/1 results as a base, (1666/1000 = x/3229) under Version 2.1 the SYSTEM IV will come in at about 5380. The difference in performance is primarily due to the microcode Signetics was forced to use when the licensing agreement with Motorola expired. There is a small difference (around 6%) due to the different clock speeds. A couple of years later when I introduced the SYSTEM V in Chicago, Kevin had a 68040 machine he was showing. He ran some dhrystone tests on his machine, the IV and the V. The V was running at 25 MHz, the IV at 16 MHz and, as I recall, his 68040 was running at 40 MHz. He had a different version of dhrystone (which I don't have). Anyway, the results were almost directly proportional to the respective clock speeds. I don't have the exact numbers but as I recall, the IV came in around 5000, the V around 8000 and his 68040 was around 13000. Since the MM/1a and the AT306 are using Motorola chips, we should expect the microcode to be comparable to that used in the 68000. With this in mind, I would expect differences to be mainly due to the different clock speeds. Thus, I would expect results something like the following - MM/1 (15Mhz 68070) : 3229 (reference) MM/1a (13.89MHz 68340) : 4670 (5380 X 13.89/16) AT306 (16.67Mhz 68306) : 5605 (5380 X 16.67/16) So it appears the version of dhrystones you are using is understating the performance of the AT306 and MM/1a. (I never did think much of the dhrystone test.) If you like, I can send you a copy of the dhrystones program I have or, if you prefer, send me a copy of the one you are using and I'll run tests on the IV and V. Two features of the AT306 I like are the 16 bit bus expansion slots and the use of 16550 serial chips. I am waiting for my AT306 from Carl. He said it would be another 2 weeks - supposed to be the first production board. Early on my agenda is a port of G-WINDOWS. So, the AT306 will have at least one full fledged windowing/gfx package. Carl also stated no port of K-Windows was planned but he was going to finish MGR. Keep reporting your experiences - I think we all find them interesting. Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO -*- 93364 20-AUG 23:34 General Information RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93343) From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5 > David, silly Q: Does that IDE interface do dma? The reason I ask is that > for the life of me, The one on my Sys 5 doesn't, or I assume the IDE doesn't. The floppy doesn't. However, I do not lose any characters with HD capture using a 14.4 modem and 38400 serial speed. But read on down. I can't seem to train the driver on my amiga to use > one of the 25 dma channels it has! This coco at 9600 baud is far more > dependable than the amiga which even with a buffered extra card seriel > port kit, still drops chars by the paragraph during text non-stop > captures cause it blocks all irq's and uses the cpu to move the data to > the drive! Major pain in the drain that. Yes, it is. I must say that my coco with the SC II is much more pleasant to use with the floppy than my Sys 5. However, it seems that the HD is fast enough to take care of things. I did modify STerm to the effect that instead of sending XOFF on save to disk, I changed it to drop CTS (or RTS). I haven't tried it with floppy capture, but maybe it will work, too. Actually, the serial drivers should be modified to do automatic hardware flow control. I modified mine to do this, also. What I did was pretty crude, but now rarely see anything that looks like a glitch in transmission. I never see any errors in zmodem transfers, either (knock on wood). -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93369 21-AUG 00:39 General Information RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93364) From: WDTV5 To: DBREEDING (NR) unforch, the drivers source isn't available, and I've not found a disasm for it that actually works yet, at least not near as well as the ones we have for the coco. Pity. I just fiddled with a bunch of the options, and altho I did get a 1.2 meg/sec plus write speed, thats not going to help. When it shuts to irq's off to write to the disk, all hell breaks loose in the relativly unbuffered seriel ports, nobody has seen fit to make us a board that uses the 16550 yet. Cheers, Gene -*- End of Thread. -*- 93310 15-AUG 20:51 General Information Ride From: REVWCP To: ALL Dear Friends: Is anyone in the Chicago area planning on driving to the Atlanta Fest, and if so, would you like to share the ride with a monk. I'll help pay for gas, tolls, etc. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +: With all best wishes, ::::: When all else fails :+ +: Brother Jeremy, CSJW ::::::::::: ask a Monk :::::+ +: OS9 Users Group Treasurer ::::::::::::::::::::::::+ +::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::+ +::: revwcp@delphi.com :::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::+ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -*- 93311 15-AUG 20:52 Rainbow OS-9 Material ($) Hershey Fonts From: REVWCP To: ALL Dear friends: Does anyone have a copy of the April 1988 Issue of Rainbow on Disk? There was an article by Wm. Barden on the Hershey fonts that I am interested in. I have the issue of Rainbow, and there appears to be an error in one line of the code. I need to see if they fixed the error was on the Rainbow Disk. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +: With all best wishes, ::::: When all else fails :+ +: Brother Jeremy, CSJW ::::::::::: ask a Monk :::::+ +: OS9 Users Group Treasurer ::::::::::::::::::::::::+ +::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::+ +::: revwcp@delphi.com :::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::+ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -*- 93312 15-AUG 23:49 Rainbow OS-9 Material ($) RE: Hershey Fonts (Re: Msg 93311) From: WDTV5 To: REVWCP I don't happen to have it in front of me, but one item you might try is to substitute any characters you think are ell's for one's and vise-versa. I've had that bite me in Rainbow code as published more than once. It was often printed on an old DMP printer that used the same EXACT character for both an ell and a one. FYI I have a disk or 2 full of the Hershey Font for the Amiga, if you are interested, I'll convert the lf's to cr's and send it along some eveniing. Its big though! Seems I recall its on 2 of the amiga 880k 3.5" disks right now. You might even wander around in their database here and see if you can get it direct, that version of lha is compatible with the coco version. Cheers Brother Jeremy, Gene -*- End of Thread. -*- 93313 16-AUG 12:33 General Information CONFERENCE NOTICE From: MROWEN01 To: ALL POSTED: 16 Aug 95 HAVE YOU FILLED OUT YOUR DATA SHEET FOR THE OS-9 SOURCE BOOK PROJECT? EMAIL FOR MORE INFORMATION (UG Membership is not required): /////////////////////////////// // DELPHI CONFERENCE NOTICE: // /////////////////////////////// OS-9 Late Night Conference w/ Chris Perrault ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, 21 Aug 95 - 10PM ET - Open Forum Monday, 28 Aug 95 - 10PM ET - Happy Anniversary for OS-9 Late Night! Monday, 4 Sep 95 - 10PM ET - Chat with VP of OS-9/6809 OS-9 Users group Monday, 11 Sep 95 - 10PM ET - Open Forum Monday, 18 Sep 95 - 10PM ET - Upcoming Atlanta Fest Monday, 25 Sep 95 - 10PM ET - KD Associates discussing Sculptor dbase ////////////////////////////// // GENIE CONFERENCE NOTICE: // ////////////////////////////// Coco Real Time Conference ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Every Sunday - Open discussion forum 9-10PM ET //////////////////////////// // IRC CONFERENCE NOTICE: // //////////////////////////// OS-9 IRC Conference Type /join #os9 once inside IRC ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday, 27 Aug 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum Sunday, 10 Sep 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : OS-9 Users group projects Sunday, 24 Sep 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum ---------------------------- ATTENTION! -------------------------- Are there any other on-line conferences happening out there? If you know of other conferences or events that are taking place on other on-line services (AOL,Genie,CIS, etc.) please send mail to me at either address listed below. I will post any information I receive. Mike Rowen VP OS-9/6809 OS-9 Users Group mrowen01@delphi.com -*- 93317 16-AUG 21:58 General Information OS-9 Late Night From: THETAURUS To: ALL Here is a review and reminder. Last Monday night's Late Night, which was an Open Forum was great. When I got in, Boisy was already there talking about the new At306 computer he just ordered(not to himself,but others of course). I learned a lot about this computer and found a lot of my initial reservations about the machine were moot and the truth it, at $400 for the board, this is one impressive machine, and I can't wait to get it in my hands myself. Check out his post here if you haven't already. And I hope, for those of you selling the machine who might be reading this, that you promote this product aggresively, and in many different areas. This has great potential, and if as Boisy said people get behind it, could be our big break as far as getting new users and building on the software base that has already begun to grow a bit. I hope this machine eventually makes it into General computer shows across the country as well as OS-9 and Coco based shows. Now, next Monday will be another Open Forum. I hope many of you show up so we can have another good conference like the last one. Don't forget, the conference on Augest 28th will be our 1 year annivesary celebration, do let's make this a biggie! Car dealerships are already planning the big celebration sales :-) On September 4th, Mike Rowen who is the OS-9 Users' Group Vice President of 6809 users will be back to discuss issues related the OS-9 Level II and activities going on within the UG. If you are interested in the UG, want to volunteer to work on UG activities, or have any comments or ideas, please be on hand for this. Check the conference banner for complete details on the upcoming conferences as there is a lot going on in the upcoming months! See Ya >Chris< -*- 93318 17-AUG 00:01 General Information The new AT306 -- Impressions From: BOISY To: ALL As I expected, my AT306 arrived today from Kreider Electronics. It has gone beyond my expectations. Awesome. I stand amazed at the work that has gone into the hardware and the software. But on to more objective notes. My AT306 is currently in a mid-tower case. It has 8MB of RAM currently, a 200MB IDE Conner Hard drive, and a 1.44MB floppy. My MM/1 is currently acting as a terminal to the machine. I have a VGA (Trident 8900) card plugged in, but no VGA monitor as of yet. Perhaps tomorrow... After getting the board out of the packing material, I examined it closely. It looked compact and well designed, with lots of thought to the PC case environment. Placing it in the mid tower case and mounting was a piece of cake. Four plastic mounts, two metal standoffs, two screws, and the board was resting solidly on the side of the case. Plugging PS8 and PS9 to the board was easy and straightforward. Following the thorough and excellent documentation, I had my hard drive and floppy hooked up, and my 8MB SIMMs (2 4MBx80ns) installed in no time. Booting from floppy, I was able to format my IDE hard drive, install an OS-9 boot file on it, and subsequently boot from the hard drive. Rombug comes standard with this machine, which is a nice touch. It's a great tool for system development, especially for drivers. I was able to control whether or not Rombug would come up via a DIP switch block on the motherboard. Folks, this board looks just like a little PC, except there's a Motorola processor on it. The one AT card I put in (VGA) slid into place without a hitch. Great work on getting alignment to work with standard PC cases! Benchmarks Once the AT306 was up and running, I was eager to do some benchmarking to see how well it held up to my MM/1a and Joel's MM/1. Here are some timings: Dhrystone 2.1, 10000 iterations: MM/1a (13.89MHz 68340) : 4395 MM/1 (15Mhz 68070) : 3229 AT306 (16.67Mhz 68306) : 4239 As you can see, the AT306 is very close to the 68340 in speed, and way over a stock MM/1. I was surprised to find that it ran so fast. Very impressive indeed. The speed gain over the 68070 alone makes this machine a worthy price competitor. I also benchmarked disk speed with a program called 'timeio'. I only have results for the MM/1a and AT306, not the MM/1: MM/1a (13.89MHz 68340, Quantum 240MB SCSI HD): 840K/bytes per second AT306 (16.67MHz 68306, Conner 200MB IDE HD): 1.35MB per second This result really surprised me. In spite of the MM/1a having SCSI DMA, the AT306 _without_ DMA showed a remarkable improvement in disk access. At this point, I'm still setting up the system to my liking. I'll report more as it happens. -*- 93319 17-AUG 00:56 General Information Bunk with a Monk From: REVWCP To: ALL Dear friends: I have a room that I will be willing to share at the NorthLake Holiday Inn, site of the Atlanta CoCofest. Let me know if you want to be able to say, "I slept with Brother Jeremy." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +: With all best wishes, ::::: When all else fails :+ +: Brother Jeremy, CSJW ::::::::::: ask a Monk :::::+ +: OS9 Users Group Treasurer ::::::::::::::::::::::::+ +::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::+ +::: revwcp@delphi.com :::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::+ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -*- 93322 17-AUG 21:45 General Information RE: Bunk with a Monk (Re: Msg 93319) From: THETAURUS To: REVWCP >>Let me know if you want to be able to say, "I slept with Brother Jeremy." LOL, this almost guarrentees a spot of Sally Jesse Rapheal! >Chris< -*- End of Thread. -*- 93323 17-AUG 23:02 OSK Applications SYQuest 555 From: ADITNAVEL To: ALL Howdy all! I Just got hold of a Syquest 555 for a good price and I was wondering if anyone had set up up before in their OSK machine. Currently I have an MM/1, and I've tentatively compiled a descriptor up, but was wndering if there i anything I specifically need to wathc out for? I've set the the driver kind to HRemov, and set the PD_Cntl Bit 2 (as stated in the MM/! tech maunal). If anyone has any comment or set one of these things up on an MM/1 before I'll appreciate any info you could give me. Thanks! Dean -*- 93325 17-AUG 23:50 General Information More AT306 -- VGA From: BOISY To: ALL I couldn't wait. Today I went out and purchased a VGA monitor for the AT306. 15" Sony Trinitron, great picture, and OS-9 characters never looked so good. Currently I'm logged into through /t0 (the sc68306 serial port) and talking to my US Robotics modem at 57600 baud with no missing characters. Thanks to the 16550, we're cooking. The work done on the VGA console interface is amazing. I currently have 8 virtual consoles open. I wrote a simple color utility to send out ANSI color escape sequences based on color names, and color seems to be working great. The NumLock/CapsLock/ScrollLock lights track the VC (virtual console) as I flip throuh them w/ ALT/F1 to ALT/F12. Scrolling text is a tone faster on here than on the MM/1. -*- 93334 18-AUG 21:34 General Information Alpha testers needed for FMV adventure g From: DIGIGRADE To: ALL Yes folks! The "game with no name" is in full swing! However, those bugs can take time to kill. Testers with 070s and 030s are needed. You must be able to keep the game to yourself. I don't want it shown to user groups or sent to others to test. Testers must have experiance with debugging data/logic errors. Some testers will be given pieces of source code. System requirements: MM/1 with I/O board and 68070 or 68030 and HD. Kwin 53 or higher also required. Send Email to DIGIGRADE or DIGIGRADE@AOL.COM Dave -*- 93359 20-AUG 21:16 General Information RE: Alpha testers needed for FMV adventu (Re: Msg 93334) From: THETAURUS To: DIGIGRADE Hi David. About the game, I can't be a beta tester, but I just wanted to say good luck with the game. I hope it turns out winner and am looking forward to it's release! Btw, depending on how the sales turn out withing the next few months on the AT-306 machines, especially at Atlanta Fest, you might want to consider trying an MGR based version of the game,if you can get your hands on MGR or an AT-306. Btw, does anyone know if MGR is available for Intel machines? See Ya Chris Perrault OS-9 User's Group Sourcebook Coordinator -*- 93368 20-AUG 23:44 General Information RE: Alpha testers needed for FMV adventu (Re: Msg 93359) From: DIGIGRADE To: THETAURUS (NR) Hi Chris. You could still do some C debugging if you could. I know you are fair at debugging. Have you learned C yet? ^ I mean, if you would. I must say that I wouldn't be looking forward so much to development of this game if it weren't for Kwindows buttons. Making hot spots or detecting your own hot spots is so hard to create the rooms and test them. This way I can see if the buttons are there and see that their working. Easily. Does MGR have similar buttons? I'm sorry, but what is an AT-306. Am I really that out of touch? :) Dave -*- 93371 21-AUG 09:42 General Information RE: Alpha testers needed for FMV adventu (Re: Msg 93359) From: JIMDIXON To: THETAURUS (NR) Chris: Well, MGR seems to be available for Linux. At least there's an MGR directory on tsx-11.mit.edu and sunsite.unc.edu in their Linux directories. So yes, if you want to run a Unix system, MGR is available for the Intel machines. James Dixon -*- End of Thread. -*- 93335 18-AUG 22:52 General Information PC From: CLTUCKER To: ALL CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE TO GET THE INFO TO RUN THE COCO3 ON THE PC?(G) CL -*- 93338 19-AUG 17:39 OSK Applications GZip From: DOMM To: ALL Am I right in assuming that there is no GZip for LII, just for OSK? ---Dom -*- 93340 19-AUG 21:40 OSK Applications RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93338) From: JOHNBAER To: DOMM Don't think that I saw one for Level 2... I just did a Ident on my mm/1 for gzip.. 82466 bytes. Don't know _if_ it can be made to fit in the 64K block space... Plus, gzip wants a data size of 336K, and a stack of 28K. I hope someone else can answer your question. John - -*- 93348 20-AUG 00:41 OSK Applications RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93340) From: DOMM To: JOHNBAER John--- Thanks for the info. I guess I'll just forget about it then. I was trying to break down Alan Dekoks' file "gcc_6809.tar.gz" Actually, I don't think I could have used this anyway. Just curious. ---Dom -*- 93349 20-AUG 11:21 OSK Applications RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93348) From: JOHNBAER To: DOMM > I was trying to break down Alan Dekoks' file "gcc_6809.tar.gz" Well, let me know if you want this and I'll break it for you. It would also help if you told me where the file is :) Later John- -*- 93353 20-AUG 12:24 OSK Applications RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93338) From: DBREEDING To: DOMM > Am I right in assuming that there is no GZip for LII, just for OSK? As JOHNBAER pointed out, it appears that it might ber hard to get GZip to fit into a 64-K address space. Do you need GZip for any special purpose? For dloads from chestnut, etc? Perhaps if you don't need to use it a big lot, just occasional uses, if you don't have access to an OSK machine, you might be able to download what you need, email it to an OSK user, and have it put in lha or ZIP format. BTW, you don't need GZip for files in zip format, either the OS9 files or those created by PKZip, you need "plain" zip. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 93356 20-AUG 13:27 OSK Applications RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93353) From: MITHELEN To: DOMM Also... on the FTP note... if you leave offthe ".gz" (or .Z) extension, most (if not all) FTP servers will un-compress the file on the fly as it sends it to you. -- Paul -*- 93361 20-AUG 23:21 OSK Applications RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93349) From: DOMM To: JOHNBAER John--- > ...let me know....I'll break it down... Thanks, but I think this file is a bit much (size:484224) (I don't think I can use it anyhow) It's a cross compiler (C) I guess. I don't know anything about it or about anything "C". Thats why I was looking at it. If you want to check it out for yourself however: http://www.physics.carleton.ca/~aland/interests/gcc_6809.tar.gz (just for the file) OR: http://www.physics.carleton.ca/~aland/ (then look for #16) Thanks again for the offer! ---Dom -*- 93362 20-AUG 23:22 OSK Applications RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93353) From: DOMM To: DBREEDING David--- > Do you need GZip for any special purpose... This is the first time I had to check into it. I suppose I'll be running into it again somewhere. Thanks. ---Dom -*- 93363 20-AUG 23:22 OSK Applications RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93356) From: DOMM To: MITHELEN Paul--- > ...if you leave off the ".gz" ......most..servers will un-compress... Thanks for the advice. I tried it on this file, however, and all I got was a 161 byte file prepared. (484224 size file normally) Sounds handy though. Thanks. ---Dom -*- End of Thread. -*- 93350 20-AUG 11:22 General Information Inet by Mail From: JOHNBAER To: ALL For those of you who want to know how to use FTP, Gopher, etc by Mail, look for the file `inet_by_mail.lzh' in the database. I see it's available now. John - -*- 93366 20-AUG 23:34 General Information RE: Inet by Mail (Re: Msg 93350) From: DBREEDING To: JOHNBAER (NR) > For those of you who want to know how to use FTP, Gopher, etc > by Mail, look for the file `inet_by_mail.lzh' in the database. > I see it's available now. I got it. Haven't looked at it yet, but expect it to be quite informative. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- End of Thread. -*- 93358 20-AUG 21:16 General Information Conference Reminder From: THETAURUS To: ALL Augest 21, 1995 10:00 PM Open Forum Tomorrow's conference will be another Open Forum, and hopefully it will be as good as last weeks. Last week Boisy discussed at length(while still only scratching the surface ;-) ), the features of the new OS9 based machine, the AT-306 which is now making it's way onto the OS-9 Market in the form of the MM/1B from Blackhawk and the WCP-306 from Whittman Computer Enterprises. Hopefully we'll be able to get a similar topic going to keep things interesting(Of course Boisy is always free to come back and let us in on what else he has learned since getting his machine...hint hint Also, here's what's coming up in the next two weeks to come! Augest 28, 1995 10:00 PM Happy Anniversary! Can you believe it?! OS-9 Late Night rounds it's first year, this month, and what a year it has been! Don't miss our anniversary get together, when we review the past year and some of the great conferences we've had, as well as what is planned for the upcoming year! September 4, 1995 10:00 PM OS-9 UG VP of 6809 Last time, we just scratched the surface. This month, Mike Rowen, the OS-9 Users' Group Vice President of 6809, returns to continue on ideas that were discussed last month. With so much to be done to keep the blood flowing in the OS-9 community, you will need to become INVOLVED in any little way you can. This is a good opportunity to find out what YOU can do to help the UG, as well as a chance to enlighten us with your own ideas! See Ya Chris Perrault OS-9 User's Group Sourcebook Coordinator -*- 93360 20-AUG 21:22 Users Group Sourcebook User Form From: THETAURUS To: ALL The following is going to be the Entry form for the OS-9 UG's Sourcebook . This is the form for users to send in and you can do so by sending it to be at my address "Thetaurus". Keep in mind, you do NOT have to be a member of the OS-9 Users' Group in order to have your name added, so if you haven't send your form in yet, now is the time to do it. OS-9 Sourcebook Information Form -------------------------------- Name: --------------------------------------------------------------- Business: ----------------------------------------------------------- Address: ------------------------------------------------------------ City: State: ZIP: ---------------- --------------- -------------------- Country: Telephone:( ) - ---------------- --------------------------------- EMail Address: ----------------------------------------------------- Signature: Date: / / ------------------------------------ DD MM YY Would you like information on joining the OS-9 Users Group? o Already a Member! o Yes o No Can this information be passed to OS-9 vendors? o Yes o No Are you available to act as a volunteer for OS-9 o Yes o No projects from time to time? This isn't a commitment. Please indicate your area(s) of interest: o OS-9/6809 o OS-9/68000 o OS-9000 o Programming o Hardware Other ________________________ You use OS-9 primarily for what purpose: o personal use o industrial system o both Please describe briefly your OS-9 computer system(s): Please describe briefly your computer and OS-9 experience: Please describe your OS-9 interests (things you would like to see the UG do, or see in the MOTD), or list any other questions or comments: -*- FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit>