From: TURTLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: FORTRAN Date & Time: 01/09/90 12:26:26 Message Number 1301 >All that Fortran can do, Pascal can do... Sorry. Wrong. Have you ever really gotten in to FORTRAN? Oh well. FORTRAN lets you do direct memory swapping and direct editing of low memory, Pascal emphatically does not. (Wirth would have a stroke if he thought anyone was trying that sort of trick in Pascal.) FORTRAN lets you declare numeric variables as Integer, Real, and Complex, Pascal doesn't. You might be able to kludge something in Pascal to deal with imaginary numbers, but it'd hurt. FORTRAN lets you declare double-precision and extended-precision variables that are 64 bits wide; not Pascal. FORTRAN allows implied DO-loops; Pascal doesn't allow implied anything. FORTRAN allows the programmer to change the index in the middle of a FOR-NEXT loop; Pascal does not. (That itself leaves out a lot of really efficient programming techniques). If Pascal could really do everything FORTRAN could, do you really think FORTRAN would be as immensely popular as it is? --A "Death to Niklaus Wirth" Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Assembly Langua Date & Time: 01/09/90 12:33:29 Message Number 1302 >Model III, Model 4. Same difference. Yarg! Yarg! Yarg! C-64, Amiga. Same difference. (I have seen people actually make that assertion, in all seriousness.) =========== From: TURTLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: ATARI's and You Date & Time: 01/09/90 12:34:34 Message Number 1303 >There is nothing wrong with either IBM's or Pascal; if you compare >them with Atari 800's with Atari Basic. Well, I know this guy who took an Atari 800, built a bank-switched memory module and a really weird expansion box for it, and connected a meg of RAM and 6 disk drives to it...so thpth! And what's wrong with Atari Basic? So you have to dimension a string variable before you use it. So? pascal makes you use Packed Arrays, which are the same thing...THPTH! =========== From: TURTLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: BASIC Date & Time: 01/09/90 12:38:59 Message Number 1304 >...BASIC is a simplified and interpreted version of FORTRAN. Nope. =========== From: RUFUS To: ANGEL Subject: 8 ball Date & Time: 01/09/90 15:21:33 Message Number 1305 But, when you smash the electronic one against a wall, it doesn't spill liquid all over the place. And with an electronic one, you can rig it to give the answer you want (give one to the boss who is debating giving you that raise). =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Disney Releases Date & Time: 01/09/90 15:23:52 Message Number 1306 You know where I saw Pinochio (sp?)? In what is now the XXX movie theatre on the Trail near Red Lobster. I wonder if they still show it? :) =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: YARG! Date & Time: 01/09/90 15:25:42 Message Number 1307 I really doubt the existance of Santa, but am holding fast to the Rudolph myth. =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: FORTRAN Date & Time: 01/09/90 15:28:08 Message Number 1308 Not to mention FORTRAN is a better sounding word that Pascal. Pascal sounds like Pastal, Postal, and that kid in the "Rose is Rose" comic, Pasquale (or something like that). =========== From: RUFUS To: ALL Subject: for sale... Date & Time: 01/09/90 21:18:33 Message Number 1309 Do YOU want to be pumped up?? Well, I have an offer for you! A DP 1000 Gympak exercise set. This thing will exercise your arms, legs, shoulders, along with muscle groups you didn't know existed! It has 110 pounds of weights, a padded bench and has all the attachments for a whole lotta exercises. It'll go in the corner and takes up VERY little space (maybe eight square feet). Oh yea, it is IBM compatible!! ALL THIS FOR ONLY $140 o.b.o. Contact me on this BBS for more information. =========== From: KEN OBER To: RUFUS Subject: Dear IBM User.. Date & Time: 01/09/90 22:26:36 Message Number 1310 Yeah, I Get Those Letters As Well....They Are Fools....Of Course, I Guess I Mislead Them, 'Cause ISubscribe To A /Few/ IBM Magazines Under The Name: T.Y. Robinson Pres. Robinson Compu Serv, Inc. So, That Might Mislead Them, But My Dad Got Me A Magazine Subscription Under That Name, 'Cause He Thought It Was Spiffy-Keen... =========== From: KEN OBER To: ALL Subject: Depressed... Date & Time: 01/09/90 22:29:34 Message Number 1311 Someone Get Me Out Of This Depressed Mood Real Quick! I Can't Stand All The Non-Use And Lurkers On My Board.....Ihave Like 40 New Messages A Month Or So Ago, And It Has Been Down-Hill Since Then.....The Other Day I didn't Get One New Message....I Had Resolved The Day I Opened My Board That The Day I DOn't Get Any New Messages Is The Day I Take It Down.....And I'm Seriously Considering It, And I Scares Me! Someone Talk Me Out Of It Quick!!!! REMOTE CONTROL! #1 - 378-2218 - 300/1200 Baud =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: TURTLE Subject: FORTRAN Date & Time: 01/10/90 00:31:02 Message Number 1312 Dear the ever-Pascal bashing Turtle, Pardon me. We're talking about different levels here. Okay -- GRANTED: Pascal does not have an "imaginary number" type. GRANTED: Pasccal cannot self-modify in the middle of itself. GRANTED: Pascal is slower, requires all variables to be previously defined, and, in general, is not an efficient way of writing programs. Also, GRANTED: Fortran was used to encode the Voyager spacecraft. However, there is NO computation that Fortran (or any other major imperative language) that Pascal -- or any other major imperative language -- couldn't do. (Now -- whether or not they could do them in real time is another question.) Programming techniques differ widely. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: TURTLE Subject: ATARI's and You Date & Time: 01/10/90 00:38:21 Message Number 1313 Atari Basic is completely unlike any other Basic known to mankind. 1. There ARE no string arrays, and strings have a maximum length of 255. (Not much of a chance of simulating them, either!) 2. The computer has an OFF (or BYE) command, dropping you to the "Atari 800 -- Notepad" mode. 3. All error messages were encoded ("ERROR 37 IN LINE 500") -- I wrote an automatic code to take care of it. 4. ML programming on the Atari was a BITCh, requiring one to go from the TOP of memory -- making sure one doesn't accidently re-draw over the screen, and tricking the 'pooter into thinking you have less memory, and lots of other things... 5. The Atari THOUGHT it could only have three colors (okay -- four,] including the background) on the screen at once. To change this, one must change the colors using a special interrupt while the TV screen (or monitor) is in mid-flight between lines. You have EXACTLY enough time to change colors... if you bitch a lot. 6. The 6502 processor has three registers. Three. (Geeez -- I'm getting away from the Atari Basic into the Atari in general. Now returning to your regularly scheduled program, already in progress.) 7. Atari Basic regularly clocked in as the slowest Basic available for microcomputers in its price range. 8. Because Atari Basic was etched in ROM, there was no easy way to fix the two major bugs (known since about six months after the computer was created) in it. By then, programmers had employed the bugs as part of their programming style... so fixing them would destroy their programs. I'm glad someone found a use for his Atari. I enjoyed it while it lasted; but I've moved on. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: RUFUS Subject: Disney Releases Date & Time: 01/10/90 00:54:37 Message Number 1314 XXX-rated Pinocchio? Sounds wonderful... "Oh... Pinocchio, Pinocchio... Do that to me, again, with your nose! Ohhhhh!!!!!!" -- the Good Fairy. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: RUFUS Subject: YARG! Date & Time: 01/10/90 00:57:47 Message Number 1315 Yes; I've always wondered exactly WHAT Rudolph has been drinking to make his nose so red... Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: KEN OBER Subject: Depressed... Date & Time: 01/10/90 00:59:14 Message Number 1316 Dear Ken, Terribly Sorry To Hear You Are In A Depressed Mode. Think Of The Bright Side Of Things: At Least You're Not Running Your BBS On An IBM! Always Remember: (background music...) Just remember that you're standing on a planet that evolving, And revolving at three thousand miles an hour.... (fade off, re-enter with different music...) Always look on the bright side of life! (whistles...) Always look on the bright side of life! (whistles...) (fade off, re-enter much more changed...) Oh, I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay, I slep all night, and I work all day, I wear high heals, my blue jeans, suspenders, and a bra. (fade off, leaving behind Monty Python in the distance.) Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Disney Releases Date & Time: 01/10/90 07:15:29 Message Number 1317 Your ONE sick unicorn. No, it was the G-rated version..... SICKO!! =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: YARG! Date & Time: 01/10/90 07:16:06 Message Number 1318 Rudolph drinks lighter fluid. It also helps him fly. =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: RUFUS Subject: Disney Releases Date & Time: 01/10/90 16:06:43 Message Number 1319 >You're one sick unicorn. Thank you. I always appreciate compliments. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: TURTLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Languages Date & Time: 01/10/90 16:45:41 Message Number 1320 >There is NO computation that Fortran...[can do] that Pascal... >couldn't do. Tsk, tsk, tsk. As a theoretical computer scientist, you should know better than that. Machine language is, of course, the lowest level of programming, and absolutely anything the computer is capable of can be done in machine language by definition. High-level languages are essentially constructs designed to take a finite set of expressions and convert them into machine code; however, since there are a finite number of expressions in any high-level language and there is not a corrosponding one-to-one mapping between the high-level expressions and every possible meaningful sequence of machine-language instructions, the high-level language MUST represent a subset of all meaningful sequences of machine-language instructions. Simply put, there are things you can do in assembly that you can't in a high-level language. Now then, when we compare two high-level languages, there is one of two possible conditions. Either the high-level languages have equivalent sets of expressions which will generate equivalent sets of machine- language instructions, in which case the languages are essentially identical, or they don't, in which case they're not. Given two languages which are NOT identical, then, there are three possible conditions: the expressions generated in Language A are a complete subset of those in Language B, the expressions generated by Language A have no points in common with those of Language B, or the expression sets of A and B intersect. Given that neither Pascal nor Fortran contains the other as a subset, but they do have expressions which are the same, the conclusion is that the machine level instruction sets generated by Pascal and Fortran are intersecting sets. Therefore, there must exist a program or program segment which can be implemented in one but not the other. QED. --A theoretical Turtle =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Disney Releases Date & Time: 01/10/90 19:34:59 Message Number 1321 Somehow, I knew you'd say that. Have you ever caught a cold that effected your brain? I couldn't speak right all day long. I'd say "Boy, you could use thock sherapy" and other things. Boy...my brain is still aching.. =========== From: RUFUS To: ALL.. Subject: Me.. Date & Time: 01/10/90 19:37:44 Message Number 1322 I really should stop switching topics in mid-message, but I'm so used to doing it. I'll try be best to stop...... =========== From: DONTHEN To: SAURON Subject: IBM's Date & Time: 01/11/90 12:13:35 Message Number 1323 > The more I learn about IBM's and their clones, the less I want one. This is understandable. The only real thing they have going for them is software support. I've noticed that only about 10% of the commercial and shareware/PD stuff for the IBM is really good, whereas it seems about 25% of the stuff for CP/M and TRSDOS is... but that's 25% of maybe 20,000 programs as compared to 10% of 200,000. Still, if being able to run the latest version of Brand-Name business programs isn't the most important thing in your computing life, they lose most of their appeal. =========== From: DONTHEN To: KEN OBER Subject: VGA Date & Time: 01/11/90 12:17:01 Message Number 1324 The Amiga's hi-res mode does go up to around 768 x 440 or something odd like that (it's the 640x400 mode in overscan), but it still "only" has 4096 colors onscreen at once. A lot of the digitization programs for the Amiga advertise themselves as digitizing in 2.5 million colors, which they do... but the built-in hardware can't display it that way! They use 24-bit color (instead of the normal 4-bit color the Amiga uses) so it will match high-end graphics devices used in video production. Some of Digiview's products will use dithering to get 100,000 "apparent" colors onscreen in the HAM mode, but it's by alternating colors, the same way Apple ][ games get 64 colors onscreen instead of 4 or 8. It's just a lot less noticeable if you start out with 4096 colors than if you start out with 8 on a 280x192 screen, or whatever the Apple uses. There is a graphics coprocessor card coming out for the Amiga soon that uses the same processor the Macintosh II does, and gets 259 colors out of the 16 million color palette onscreen at once. It's probably slower than the normal Amiga mode is, but since most professional video work is done capturing each image to a frame buffer instead of trying to do real-time displays, it's not a disadvantage. It is also capable of doing built-in overlay processing and scrolling/wipe effects, which the Macintosh II can't. =========== From: RUFUS To: BAD MOVIE LOVERS... Subject: It's... Date & Time: 01/11/90 16:36:41 Message Number 1325 A Bad Movie Fest on TNT. Friday night starting at 10:50 p.m. "Night of the Lepus"-Giant carnivorous bunnies go around Arizona. 1 a.m. "War of the Worlds"-Eeek, they're here! 3 a.m. "Dark Star"-I dunno much about this one. I havn't seen "Night of the Lepus" but Turtle said it was good. I havn't seen "Dark Star", but think it was a college film extended? I may not like Ted Turner, but his taste in movies is darn good. So break out a blank tape or two, warm up the popcorn, and sit down with a really bad movie. =========== From: CHARLES DITTELL To: DONTHEN Subject: IBM's Date & Time: 01/11/90 19:08:59 Message Number 1326 Is this discussion STILL going on? There are plenty of reasons why the AT configuration is probably the best all-around compromise between speed, flexibility, COST, ease of maintenance, choice of software, quality of software, and compatibility with most of what's out there. You can argue forever, but once you clearly define the uses for your next computer, if you stay unemotional about it all, you'll choose at (or if cost's a factor at the 'at' level, xt)... =========== From: TURTLE To: KEN OBER Subject: * Date & Time: 01/11/90 23:38:35 Message Number 1331 IBM XT compats can be had for around $400. An interesting thing about most of the really cheap IBM's is that they come with DR-DOS instead of MS-DOS (since licenses for DR-DOS are cheaper)...and DR-DOS is by far the better operating system. It's still got a lot of the stupid boneheaded MS-DOS misfeatures (like no hash index table in the directory and that really moronic "everything above 640K is video RAM, right?" design flaw), but it's smaller and faster than Mush-DOS, doesn't have all of Mush's weird bugs, and has a few more commands... --A discriminating Turtle =========== From: ANGEL To: RUFUS Subject: 8 ball Date & Time: 01/12/90 00:47:48 Message Number 1332 > But, when you smash the electronic one against a wall, it doesn't > spill liquid all over the place. Just one more reason not to buy one. And if your boss decides not to give you that raise, even after you rigged the electronic fortune teller, the 8-ball would be much more satisfying to break over his head and see the liquid spread all over his toupee. =========== From: ANGEL To: RUFUS Subject: It's... Date & Time: 01/12/90 00:56:53 Message Number 1333 Thank you, thank you, thank you! "Dark STar" hardly ever gets aired on TV (for good reasons), I would have missed it if you hadn't posted. Thanks, I'll set my VCR now. Catch it, it's a wonderful flick.... Was produced as a final thesis project for a Directing student at UCLA. Done on a $5000 budget (and looks like they didn't spend a penny more!) The actors are students and the sets are poorly disguised dorm rooms. But it's great! Mostly because of the direction, the kid who directed it was John Carpenter of "Halloween" fame. =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: KEN OBER Subject: Depressed... Date & Time: 01/12/90 15:38:17 Message Number 1335 HEY..I'M ON YOUR BOARD BUT WHEN I LOG ON IT GIVES ME A LOT OF "STUFFt( LIKE THAT AND I CAN'T GET PAST IT...HELP!!!!!!!!! =========== From: TURTLE To: ALL Subject: Date & Time: 01/12/90 17:19:57 Message Number 1336 FURRY PARTY! F U R R Y P A R T Y ! F U R R Y P A R T Y ! ------------------------------------ When: Saturday, January 20, 1990. Where: Turtle's apartment, on US 301 by the airport (leave E-mail if you need directions) Why: Why not? There'll be munchies, juggling foxes, movies, and all manner of general weirdness. Everyone is invited! Mark your calendar, make your plans, be there or be Tofu (in the immortal words of furry legend Watts Martin)! Times: Starting around 5? Ending Ghod only knows when. An Anarchy Now, Inc. production. =========== From: RUFUS To: ANGEL Subject: 8 ball Date & Time: 01/12/90 17:34:31 Message Number 1338 Ahh..but the electronic one has sharp points which would enter the head to add that extra feeling of pain. The 8-ball ones are to blunt. =========== From: RUFUS To: ANGEL Subject: It's... Date & Time: 01/12/90 17:35:41 Message Number 1339 I've seen it at Video Library in Palm Plaza at the corner of Bee Ridge & McIntosh. =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: Date & Time: 01/12/90 17:37:54 Message Number 1340 Mark me down. We can show the Cal-Arts tapes. When can we get together and edit it. And will there be any archdemons there?? =========== From: KEN OBER To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: ALot of stuff? Date & Time: 01/12/90 04:40:39 Message Number 1341 You may have the same problem a few others have had...try switching down to 300 baud and see what happens...the problem with some people having to call at 300 'cause my modem doesn't work right with their modems should be fixed in a week when Ifinally get my 2400 back from AProtek... =========== From: KEN OBER To: ALL FURRYS! Subject: welp... Date & Time: 01/12/90 04:42:18 Message Number 1342 I'm trying to start a Furry base on my board....It is getting a few posts, but what Ineed is a few people who actually know what they are doing besides Turtle, Donthen, & Rufus chattin' up a storm...so please call! REMOTE CONTROL! #1 - 378-2218 - 300/1200 Baud REMOTE CONTROL! #1 - 378-2218 - 300/1200 Baud REMOTE CONTROL! #1 - 378-2218 - 300/1200 Baud If you have problems connecting, try at 300 baud...my modem doesn't work right with some certain types of modems...but this should be fixed in a week when Iget my 2400 back from Aprotek! What's happened to Turtle? he hasen't called in awhile! ::Hint:: =========== From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX To: CYBERPUNK Subject: bbs Date & Time: 01/12/90 07:39:36 Message Number 1343 I tried. I called. It rang. And rang. And rang. And rang. Sorry. =========== From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX To: KEN OBER Subject: MSTF app Date & Time: 01/12/90 07:42:09 Message Number 1344 I didn't know one was requested until just now! But besides that, the press is down still (it got cold, and once it was finally warmed up, the power company decided a rolling blackout would be a really nifty thing to do to people who left computers running while staying in Ohio for a month). There'll be an administrative session after the MSTF get-together on the 20th (which I haven't announced yet, so, hey, there' will be an MSTF get-together on the 20th! -- details later) at which time some revisions to the current application will be discussed... perhaps shortening it from its current 14 page mass to something a bit less unreasonable. Once they're re-done, a unit will be moved to Sarasota, so you can get an app from Turtle after that. Fox =========== From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX To: DONTHEN Subject: IBM VGA Date & Time: 01/12/90 07:47:55 Message Number 1345 But it's still not bit-mapped, so I don't think a HAM mode is even possible. I'll hafta think about it, and my brain isn't in think mode right now, so... =========== From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX To: TURTLE Subject: Grafix Date & Time: 01/12/90 07:49:31 Message Number 1346 (... or a Silicon Graphics Iris... AND a PC-Z) Even better, VGAhas a hell of a time MOVING things on the screen. The Amiga has the right chips for the job, and honestly, although I've seen a GREAT deal of IBM-compatible software, I really have yet to see any that is impressive... not even the demos, really. Again, tho, IBM has missed the mark by going half-way. "Very Good Attempt" for the acronym. =========== From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: LISP & Scheme Date & Time: 01/12/90 07:55:53 Message Number 1347 LISP is good with list-intensive work, eh? I'd never have guessed. Ahem. Uhm, oh yeah, do you have Scheme for Z80 CP/M-compatible systems? =========== From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX To: KEN OBER Subject: Your Messages Date & Time: 01/12/90 07:59:58 Message Number 1348 That's Two In A Row. You Know, There's Something About Your Messages That I Can't Quite Put My Finger On That Really Screws With My Mind In A Way That Makes Me Want To Break Common Household Objects. =========== From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX To: TURTLE Subject: Amiga/PC-Z/Sun Date & Time: 01/12/90 08:12:44 Message Number 1350 Sounds like the perfect trio to me. Of course, I'll need a grant.... =========== From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Disney Releases Date & Time: 01/12/90 08:20:59 Message Number 1351 It WILL happen. Of course, we had a sort-of gallop to see the current Disney animated feature, but it wasn't well-announced, so it ended up being a small group. Other interesting news: AKIRA will come out in FULL RELEASE sometime within the next three months. In English... not subtitled. That's a good target for a "furry fest", neh? =========== From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX To: RUFUS Subject: Disney Releases Date & Time: 01/12/90 08:32:07 Message Number 1352 Lance Rund? You wanna get us arrested or something? (grin) =========== From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX To: ALL FURRIES Subject: AN MSTF PARTY Date & Time: 01/12/90 08:34:04 Message Number 1353 The first-Saturday-in-January MSTF party has moved back to Sarasota, and will be followed by a full-fledged miniature real-live immitation FURRY PARTY! All are invited. I think things will probably start off around noon with the traditional Le Croissant picnick, then move to the Trutle's place for the FURRY PARTY. Rufus will bring the CalARTS tape, I'll bring my collection (which has a few new additions), Donthen will bring his collection of Furversions for those uninitiated, and a special treat, Lance Rund is sending me a box of YARF #0's to give out FREE to all that attend! It should be fun, with plenty of fur and general weirdness (brought to you by Turtle), and all are invited... possible guest of honor: Juan Alfonso (if I can get him up here, otherwise you're stuck with me again). See ya there! The Fox =========== From: DONTHEN To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX Subject: LISP & Scheme Date & Time: 01/13/90 09:57:50 Message Number 1355 > Do you have Scheme for Z80 CP/M-compatible systems? Hmmm. Well, as a matter of fact, I have a dialect of Lisp called iLISP, which is based on the Scheme dialect; it's a shareware version that I haven't sent in my money for. It's kicking around on one of my CP/M library disks.... =========== From: RUFUS To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX Subject: Disney Releases Date & Time: 01/13/90 10:51:32 Message Number 1356 Wow...spiffy...keen-o...neat.....ribbit! And don't say "I'll bite you " or I'll get really ticked and dump a bottle of Nair on you and watch as your hair falls out! HA HA HA HA! <--evil laugh. =========== From: RUFUS To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX Subject: Disney Releases Date & Time: 01/13/90 10:52:37 Message Number 1357 >Lance Rund? You wanna get us arrested or something? (grin) Hmmm...that's not such a bad idea. I think he needs to apply for a grant from the government for his artwork. WHERE'S MY YARF????? =========== From: RUFUS To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX Subject: AN MSTF PARTY Date & Time: 01/13/90 10:54:20 Message Number 1358 Actually, I think Crystal should be guest of honor, but only if she makes some more of that yummy cake again. And I will bring my new drink I've created, which includes Mountain Dew and one other secret (non-alcoholic) ingredient. And oh yes, we WILL be going to a copy shop, won't we, Mr. Fox. =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: KEN OBER Subject: ALot of stuff? Date & Time: 01/13/90 11:11:43 Message Number 1359 Thanks for the advice, I promise to try...by the way, I hope you didn't delete my account!! =========== From: CYBERPUNK To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX Subject: bbs Date & Time: 01/13/90 14:41:53 Message Number 1360 well, that's because it's down now, i am geting the registered version of it and then it will be up. sorry for the inconveniences(sp) =========== From: KEN OBER To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX Subject: Duh! Date & Time: 01/13/90 15:22:04 Message Number 1361 Remember!? Hello!? Is anyone home!? DUH! My name is Bart!?!?! remember? We were all talking about when you were going to send ME MY application at Rufuscon, and Usaid you'd get one to me right away! hehehehe....I guess you have abad memory, eh? -Ken obeer WOOPS! -Ken Ober (AKA- TRR) Do call my board people, it's fun! REMOTE CONTROL! #1 - 378-2218 - 300/1200 Baud =========== From: KEN OBER To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX Subject: Break Objects? Date & Time: 01/13/90 15:25:50 Message Number 1362 But why!? hehehehe So, my messages can be /slightly/ annoying... How do they screw with your mind? DO they make you see multiple images of your computer or something like that? In that case it may not be my messages, you may be on some sort of mind-altering drug that would make you forget about my MSTFapplication or something like that, eh? -Ken Ober =========== From: KEN OBER To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX Subject: PC-Z! Date & Time: 01/13/90 15:28:24 Message Number 1363 Okay, do tell me what the heck this thing is and why it is so special!? =========== From: KEN OBER To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX Subject: AHEM! Date & Time: 01/13/90 15:30:33 Message Number 1364 First Saturday In January, eerrr, that's passed already...let's make it February, eh? =========== From: KEN OBER To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: No Problem! Date & Time: 01/13/90 15:32:19 Message Number 1365 If it has, just get a new one! ANyways, I'm sure it hasen't yet, unless it has been like 3 mnonths....Isay I delete non-users every month but i'm so lazy that it is more like every 3-months.... =========== From: TURTLE To: KEN OBER Subject: welp... Date & Time: 01/13/90 15:55:14 Message Number 1366 >What's happened to Turtle? Well, that's a sad and tragic thing. You see, he was in the mountains of Ceylon hunting white leopards, which he usually does on weekends, and he stumbled across this top-secret communist military base where they're testing this new ultimate weapon that turns everyone in the world into clones of Dan Quayle, and so naturally he tried to steal the plans for it and bring them back to the civilized world so our scientists could start working on one for OUR side and once again achieve Quayle Parity and restore the balance of power and stuff, only he forgot about the eighteen German shepherds and the 500 soldiers with automatic weapons, and his stolen MiG-23 ran out of fuel, see, and he crashed atop this illegal drug lab, and... Don't worry, though, he's all better now. --A harrassed Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX Subject: IBM VGA Date & Time: 01/13/90 16:00:00 Message Number 1367 >But it's still not bit-mapped... You're not serious, I hope. Even IBM wouldn't be /that/ stupid...would they...?? =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: AN MSTF PARTY Date & Time: 01/13/90 16:02:11 Message Number 1368 If you're mixing something with Mountain Dew, it damn well BETTER be alcoholic or you can be arrested for Mountain Dew Desecration. Heretic! Mountain Dew is sacred. --A caffeinated Turtle You know, I drank eight cans of the stuff before work last night, and I was shaking for several hours... =========== From: TURTLE To: KEN OBER Subject: PC-Z! Date & Time: 01/13/90 16:04:47 Message Number 1369 There's a text file about the PC-Z in the download menu... =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: AN MSTF PARTY Date & Time: 01/13/90 23:33:34 Message Number 1370 Trust me...it's just to boost the punch AND phlegm production in the Mountain Dew. Drinking eight cans is NOT good. I hate when I get the shakes, it's real annoying. =========== From: ROCKY To: DONTHEN Subject: Gods/Religion Date & Time: 01/14/90 17:16:16 Message Number 1372 A Creationist Donthen, eh? =========== From: ROCKY To: KEN OBER Subject: Grafix Date & Time: 01/14/90 19:09:38 Message Number 1373 Case in point: Try the Commodore 64 version of Test Drive, and listen to the awesome audio tracks produced by only three voices. Then try the IBM version of Test Drive, with only one voice, with the sound of a terribly tuned clarinet. Quite a difference. THEN, try the AMIGA version of Test Drive, and throw BOTH the other machines away. And as for graphix, well, the IBM doesn't have much better graphix then the commodore 64, at least with the Hercules graphix adapter, but the Amiga, WOW! The scrolling of the graphix is totaly without competition (Except for that awsome game at Sarasota Square Mall, called, oh, I forgot, but the 3-D data base is AWESOME!) Anyway, anyone who has made such comparisons will (unless there brainwashed by the IBM communist movement) undoubtedly realize that there is a lot to be said on this subject. As for prices, well, buy an IBM, stock. Then by an Amiga. With the IBM, you would have to buy the graphic card, for whichever monitor you have, be it CGA, VGA, Amber, or whatever, then you would of course need the Sound interface device to be able to even get marginal music to listen too. Meanwhile, the Amiga is well on it's way down the course, playing in full stereo, and the graphics make you swerve in your seat. I ask you, which is the more worthwhile machine. Also, with a bridge the price of a cheap disk drive, you can have complete IBM compatibility, whithout the need for all the other cards for color monitors, audio, etc... What'll it be, boys? =========== From: ROCKY To: KEN OBER Subject: ADAM! Date & Time: 01/14/90 19:21:22 Message Number 1374 Definetly a better choice for game machines... =========== From: ROCKY To: TURTLE Subject: Grafix Date & Time: 01/14/90 19:25:45 Message Number 1375 The IBM version of Test Drive comes with two disks. One for VGA/CGA mode, and the other for the Herc Graphics Adapter. The VGA version IS very nice, but the screen updating is so much slower then that of the Hercules graphics adapter. I mean, who likes to drive a car in a series of visual "clicks"? But at least each click /looks/ good. BAH! =========== From: ROCKY To: TURTLE Subject: ATARI's and You Date & Time: 01/14/90 19:29:28 Message Number 1376 Well, actually, Atari at one time developed a cartridge for their AT-800XL that was for Cable channel interfacing, and it still does the job quite well. The cartridge was called Graphi-Gen, and was designed for use by cable companies to use as an actual channel on the cable network. The program was nothing more then a screen swap program, with a midscreen scroll, that could be asigned display times, and you can edit the scrolls and each of the swapping screens. Storer cable was the first cable company to fall for this little gen-lock cartridge, buying almost 1200 of these units to use on condo installations, for their "in-house" information channels. Well, about 3 years ago, Storer had a massive "garage sale" of these computers, selling them from anywhere between $50.00 to $150.00, including the software. Well, unfortunately, I now have to deal with these old 800XLs, and they are really a piece of trash. The cartridge/program is, well, definetly something to be desired, and well, I get to play pac-man at least twice a day! Other then that, we have found these computers completely un-usable. so... TTTHHHHPPPPPPTTTTTT!!!! =========== From: ROCKY To: DONTHEN Subject: Analog... Date & Time: 01/14/90 19:47:23 Message Number 1377 Also, another trick that the Amiga uses to make it's graphics "look" like higher resolution then it really is is by using an analog video output. In this manner, the Amiga can control the actual brightness of each individual pixel through processing, and with half lit pixels, the resolution fades along with the light, also affecting the shade of colors. This is the way you can get 4096 colors on one screen, by controlling the brightness and shading of these pixels through analog output. =========== From: ROCKY To: KEN OBER Subject: welp... Date & Time: 01/14/90 20:00:08 Message Number 1379 Who wants to call at 300 baud! ::HINT:: =========== From: ROCKY To: TURTLE Subject: Mountain Dew!_! Date & Time: 01/14/90 20:07:48 Message Number 1380 I'll vouche for that! Christ! I drank four cans of Mountain Dew at work, and when I came home, I wras tippinf im a quiet scgramblped mammor akd cirudn!t gyt mi tupping in orger toms;4-pkw;vrp,r;,,;sAAAHHHHHH!!! CAFFEINE!!! AHHHHHHH!!!!! =========== From: RUFUS To: ROCKY Subject: Grafix Date & Time: 01/14/90 21:30:10 Message Number 1381 Nice case, but I'll stick with my Sinclair ZX-81. YARG! YARG! =========== From: DONTHEN To: ROCKY Subject: Gods/Religion Date & Time: 01/14/90 23:26:50 Message Number 1382 > A Creationist Donthen, eh? No. =========== From: TURTLE To: ALL Subject: Welp... Date & Time: 01/15/90 03:02:18 Message Number 1383 The Ridiculously Complete Guide to BBSes in the Local Calling Area (you know, the /real big/ one in the [I]nformation part of the [S]how Neat Stuff menu) has once again been updated by Yours Truly... check it out, download it, feed it to the dog, do SOMETHING with it, so I don't feel like it was a /complete/ waste of time. --An industrious Turtle =========== From: YNGLING To: DONTHEN Subject: IBM's Date & Time: 01/15/90 16:38:08 Message Number 1384 [voice over] "IBM BOWL II...This time its WAR!!!!" =========== From: KEN OBER To: ROCKY Subject: The Game Date & Time: 01/15/90 16:48:53 Message Number 1385 Godd points made.....The game you were thinking of that is at SS Mall is Hard Drivin' made by ATARI no less....There was an ad for the Amiga in AMiga world (who does Commodore do that? They advertise their computers in magazines for people who /already own/ their computers!) ANyways, on the monitor, there was a game that looks remarkabely like Hard Drivin'.....We may have it at home for the Amiga very soon boys & girls! =========== From: KEN OBER To: ROCKY Subject: 300 Baud Date & Time: 01/15/90 16:53:07 Message Number 1386 Well, when Iget my 2400 back from Aprotek we will not have that problem, no will we!?!?! That's *IF* they ever get it back to me... ARRGGG! =========== From: RUFUS To: ALL Subject: TV Date & Time: 01/15/90 21:33:23 Message Number 1387 In my quest to absorb all the TV programming I can, I have picked out two shows and one movie to tell you, the public, about. 1) Around the World in 80 Days-sounds like a book, doesn't it? Well, Michael Palin of Monty Python fame, is attempting to follow the path made by Phineas Fogg ( or Fineas Phogg, or whatever). The first 2 of 7 parts have been on, but you can catch the next five one hour parts on A & E on Sunday at 8 p.m. It's probaly on at other odd times around the week. This is a MUST SEE! 2) The Simpsons-yea, that great American family is on EVERY WEEK! 8:30 p.m. on channel 28 (FOX). It is opposite Around the World..., but that's why the VCR was invented. A MUST SEE. Oh yea, there will be about 5-6 Simpson shirts coming out soon. Be on the look out, and the first person to spot 'em, please post a message. 3) Killbots-this is a really awful movie. This thing stinks to high hell. It was on at midnight, so I figured it would at least be funny. The basic plot is these teenagers get locked in a mall where these security robots go on a killing spree (seems they got struck by lightning). After two of the eight teens get killed, the rest of 'em get propane tanks and assault rifles to kill these lazer shootin' robots. This is a really bad movie. Avoid it at ALL costs. It isn't worth the magnetic tape it's on. YUCK! DO NOT WATCH!!!! =========== From: SIDEWINDER To: TURTLE Subject: Rath... Date & Time: 01/15/90 22:41:39 Message Number 1388 May the rath of ROY LEAP, and the ever present BIG 13 be upon you!! But then you could probably care less, as Turtles can dig down and stay a comfy 72 deg. Mean while the rest of us have to stay topside and live with whatever type of weather our wacky hacker chooses! =========== From: TURTLE To: SIDEWINDER Subject: Rath... Date & Time: 01/16/90 00:24:19 Message Number 1389 >Mean while the rest of us have to stay topside and live with whatever >type of weather our whacky hacker chooses! That's right! And you know what else? If I could make it snowy and hot at the /same time/ outside, I WOULD!! Ha ha ha! --A wacky hacker Turtle =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: RUFUS Subject: Me.. Date & Time: 01/16/90 10:14:18 Message Number 1390 ...and, on that topic, how's your pet goldfish? Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: RUFUS Subject: Date & Time: 01/16/90 10:20:42 Message Number 1391 ?Will there be any archdemons there? I'll have Michael Charon (see Courts of Chaos) put a warding circle on the floor of Turtle's apartment... Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX Subject: MSTF app Date & Time: 01/16/90 10:22:48 Message Number 1392 Dear Bart Fox, Shame on you! Thinking about SHORTENING the application for MSTFdom? A pox on thee and thy house! May the golden unicorn of Paradise swish his tail in your face! May the seventh son of your seventh son fail Topology! May... uh, yes... where was I? Unfortunately, I won't be able to make it to the MSTF meeting. There's ANOTHER Sci-Fi convention going on (a wee bit larger than MSTF -- but not much!) called VulCon, and my girlfriend surprised me with a free membership. (I wonder if it's Trek-related?) Should prove interesting... I'll tell you about it when I return. Yip! Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX Subject: LISP & Scheme Date & Time: 01/16/90 10:27:00 Message Number 1393 Dear Bart, I'm sure it's available for CP/M... but I only have it for IBM. Write to Texas Instruments and ask (that's where I got my version of Scheme.) Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX Subject: Disney Releases Date & Time: 01/16/90 10:29:15 Message Number 1394 Amen! Actually, just before the LAST furry fest, I took a close friend to see "The Little Mermaid". Wonderful animation (of course), and good music. ("Under the Sea" was a terribly fun song.) (Do I use too many parenthesis?) Even still, the plot wasn't as charming as many of the old Disney flicks. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: TURTLE Subject: AN MSTF PARTY Date & Time: 01/16/90 10:34:23 Message Number 1395 > Mountain Dew is sacred. The Turtle is developing a religion with Mountain Dew as a sacrament? Sheesh! If Quetzalcoatl said, "Take; drink, this is my blood" and passed around a can of Mountain Dew, I don't think the religion would have started out as well. (By the way, what did old Quetzy use for his body?) Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: ROCKY Subject: Grafix Date & Time: 01/16/90 10:39:47 Message Number 1396 Dear Rocky, That, of course, assumes you buy your machine for games. Others have better uses for their machines. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: ROCKY Subject: ATARI's and You Date & Time: 01/16/90 10:41:24 Message Number 1397 Dear Rocky, I started out on an old Atari 800. (Notice: NOT an 800XL. Not even a 1200XL. I bought my machine BEFORE Atari 400s were available.) Yeah- they're a piece of junk, but they're a great piece of junk to have started out with. (Even though they're slow, have no memory, and use the 6502 chip...) (Yes, Turtle, I know about your Atari wonderuser with a meg of RAM and all... but, when I was fourteen, I didn't know diddly about bank switching.) Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: TURTLE Subject: D/Ls Date & Time: 01/16/90 10:51:15 Message Number 1398 Two questions fer ya, Turtle: 1. Where's the "overly updated" version of the local BBS's? 2. Whenever I try D/Ling anything, it immediately tells me "Success" -- and quits D/Ling. Have you decided to ARC, ZIP, HACK, LZH, LIB, AZT, NIV, QRS, TUV, ABC, and WOP your files down to one byte? Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: DONTHEN To: KEN OBER Subject: The Game Date & Time: 01/16/90 12:23:43 Message Number 1399 There is a game that /looks/ similar to Hard Drivin' called "'Vette", although I don't think it's as good as the arcade game is. 'Vette has better graphics in some ways (lower resolution, but a lot more in the background) and does a credible job of solid modeling, but Hard Drivin' is so far the first driving game that is really a "car simulator" in the same way flight simulators model planes (and I'm talking about military simulators, not just SubLOGIC's microcomputer ones). Atari does make some of the most interesting arcade games around. In a fascinating but useless bit of trivia, Atari Home Computers and Atari Electronics (the makers of the arcade games) are actually two separate companies, not just different divisions of the same company. The video games are usually built around odd chips, like the Z8000 or the 16016, and have nothing in common whatsoever with any computer being produced by Atari. This is also why Atari Electronics' games are made by other companies for microcomputers instead of being produced by Atari Computers; in fact, Atari Computers has trouble licensing Atari Electronics games for use with their systems -- most of the games that are made by Atari in the arcades are ported to the Atari ST by Mindscape or Electronic Arts, because Atari Electronics doesn't trust Atari Computers to do good versions.... =========== From: TURTLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: ATARI's and You Date & Time: 01/16/90 13:06:58 Message Number 1400 >Yes, Turtle, I know about your Atari wonderuser with a meg of RAM >and all... The old Atari 8-bits were not bad computers; they were half of a good computer that somehow never got finished. There is a subtle distinction here. It's not terribly significant to the user if he doesn't know anything about electronics--whether you have a bad computer or half a good one, you're not going to like it--but becomes very important when the person concerned is an electronics wizard who can supply the missing half... --A sleepy Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: D/Ls Date & Time: 01/16/90 13:10:21 Message Number 1401 Two answers for ya, Chip: 1. The BBS list is in the Information section of the Show neat stuff menu. 2. Well, it sounds like your downloading woes are on your end; I've seen people successfully download from here with no problem. My guess is you have something set incorrectly on your term program. (Remember PBBS only knows XModem Checksum; if you try to do XModem CRC it ain't gonna work...) =========== From: KEN OBER To: TURTLE Subject: D/Ls Date & Time: 01/16/90 18:40:13 Message Number 1402 I tried downloading and it kept saying TRANSFER COMPLETE....Itried all THREEX-Modems Ihave, none worked, and all did the same, it opened the file on my disk for 1/2 second, then said TRANSFER COMPLETE without sending a single block....STranger, is last time Idownloaded a few month s ago, everything went fine! =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Me.. Date & Time: 01/16/90 20:34:52 Message Number 1404 Ohh, the gold fish is fine. Say, how's Athena Axelbreaker doing? =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Date & Time: 01/16/90 20:35:33 Message Number 1405 I've seen that story board in Courts of Chaos. I can say one thing: Order in the court! Order in the court! =========== From: RUFUS To: ALL Subject: FurryParty Date & Time: 01/16/90 20:40:30 Message Number 1406 Bart Fox, up north, says Juan Alfonso, from the south, will not make it to NoJuanCon '90. =========== From: YNGLING To: ANYONE!!!! Subject: HELP!!!!! Date & Time: 01/17/90 14:43:14 Message Number 1407 I'm having some problems with my 'puter and need some tech advice. First- yes I have an IBM clone (8088) running MSDOS version 3.21. I know you'll all say, "Go buy a new computer!" but I can't afford it so.. here's what it is doing: The only way I can access files on drive C is to insert my backup DOS diskette in drive A when I boot up...plus every time I try to access a file I get the following msg: "Seek error Drive C/ Abort, Retry, Ignore?" Plus, everytime I try to access any files thru Q-Dos it denies their existance. In addition, I do not have back- ups of my files due to my recent viral infection (my backups were also infected and I just havent gotten around to replacing them). I'd rather not lose all my files and many of them are copy-protected and I no longer have the original software. Any suggestions? =========== From: CYBERPUNK To: ALL Subject: my bbs Date & Time: 01/17/90 18:05:20 Message Number 1408 guess what all, you might be tired about my bbs being advertised all the time but i finnaly got it up and runnig on a regestered copy!! well, call it if you want!! H Y P E R C O M P !!! 813-371-0888 300/1200 Cy =========== From: TURTLE To: KEN OBER Subject: D/Ls Date & Time: 01/17/90 18:33:52 Message Number 1409 Hmm. I just revamped all the download files; try again and see if it works now. I think I figured out what the problem is and it /should/ be corrected now... =========== From: TURTLE To: YNGLING Subject: HELP!!!!! Date & Time: 01/17/90 18:36:31 Message Number 1410 Sounds like your hard drive itself has a problem...like it's formatted badly, or the sector ID's (written during a low-level format) no longer match the sectors they're associated with (rewritten every time you do a write)...probably the best thing to do is get everything off the HD and do a low-level format. There is a formatting program floating around for Mush-DOS which will reformat a hard drivbe without erasing the files on it, but I don't know where you might be able to find a copy. I also can't be more helpful without a more specific idea of the problem. --An ever-helpful Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: CYBERPUNK Subject: my bbs Date & Time: 01/17/90 18:39:16 Message Number 1411 I tried calling a few times; the phone rang forever. (I tried once at about 3 AM, so I /assume/ you weren't up using the computer...) =========== From: KEN OBER To: ALL Subject: Spiffy-Keen! Date & Time: 01/17/90 20:36:13 Message Number 1412 Well all, I amy, or may not be showing to the Furry party on Saturday. I have to see how /other/ engagements turn out, even if those /do/ turn out, I /may/ still be able to show sometime late Saturday or early Sunday....we'll have to see how things go...if anyone can do me a favor and ge ahold of an 8mm video tape, I'd be very happy, since mine seem to be all filled up at the moment......Please tell me if you do, so I won't go out and buy one! Other News--The people at Aprotek say I shoul get my 2400 soon...Ihave no idea how accurate this is, or even if it is true, anyways, that's all Ihave to go on, so, everyone who hasen't been able to call, get ready to call my board sometime in the near future! REMOTE CONTROL! - 378-2218 - 300/1200 Baud HHmmm, what else is there? AAHHHH! Dragonfire 1.1i is coming soon! Is sports something that we all will love -- Absolutely no revisions that will effect my board in the slightest! WOW! Nevertheless, I will be running it soon, it may have some hidden features Ididn't notice whil on Dragon's board......ANyways, that's all from the funny farm! CHIP! You said you never called my board! Inoticed you were in my user log before Uwere deleted....what happened? If Ido go to the Furry Party, there is good news! I will be sporting my new "Sleeman" shirt as Iam now calling it.....I hope everyone will greatly enjoy it.... SOMEONE REMIND BART TO BRING MY MSTF APPLICATION! Thankyou... -Ken Obermiester =========== From: RUFUS To: KEN OBER Subject: Spiffy-Keen! Date & Time: 01/17/90 22:02:03 Message Number 1413 O.K. Kenny, this has gone far enough. I'm tempted to go buy a Remote Control t-shirt (o.k., so I'm not tempted, I need to save my money) and name it my "Robinson" t-shirt. Just because I wore that shirt to two BBS meetings in a row you decide to brand me with it. Well, you ALWAYS wear your Remote Control t-shirt. But let's not turn this into a Windrider/Blacksword fight. =========== From: CHIP UNICORN To: RUFUS Subject: Me.. Date & Time: 01/18/90 01:54:45 Message Number 1417 Athena? Not sure... you'll have to ask Turtle. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP UNICORN To: RUFUS Subject: Date & Time: 01/18/90 01:55:28 Message Number 1418 >Order in the court! Trust me. There is none. While weirdness seems to follow Turtle around, and entropy seems to follow Spellwind around (or, at least four of his personalities...), dry humor seems to follow a small brown-and-white mongrel dog named "Joe," who was last seen in Griffin, Georgia. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP UNICORN To: RUFUS Subject: FurryParty Date & Time: 01/18/90 01:58:19 Message Number 1419 Yes, but will East meet West there? Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP UNICORN To: KEN OBER Subject: Spiffy-Keen! Date & Time: 01/18/90 02:00:33 Message Number 1420 Dear Ken, Actually, you're right -- I was a member of your board. However, neither of my modems can access yours. Whahappened? Simple -- you gave me membership when we were both at RufusCon '89 -- and I never could call again. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: KEN OBER Subject: No Problem! Date & Time: 01/18/90 14:58:33 Message Number 1421 Hi again...sorry I hadn't acknowledged your reply...been busy lately... lots of scuba diving...well, talk to you later... -The Lady In Black =========== From: RUFUS To: ALL Subject: Furry Party Date & Time: 01/18/90 20:04:06 Message Number 1424 So, anyone want me to pop in at the video store and get anything. We do have Heavy Metal, Rock 'n Rule, the CalArts tape (6 hours worht), and something I forgot, so we won't have a lack of movies to view. Any requests? And I will be bringing the box of Animal Crackers/cookies, but the more the merrier. Till Saturday (two days, one test, one quiz away). =========== From: KEN OBER To: CHIP UNICORN Subject: The modems.. Date & Time: 01/18/90 22:30:33 Message Number 1425 My modem's beep is like a 1/274838th of a Mhz off, and if your modem is /very/ particular about things, it won't connect...Fortunately, Ijuts called Aprotek today, and I'm getting a new 2400 in the mail about Friday....and it'll work fine....if you have a great desire to call, you will need to switch your 1200 to 300 baud, and then it will connect... Watts had to do that for awhile until he got another modem, but the problem should be cleared up very soon.... Bye All! REMOTE CONTROL! - 378-2218 - 300/1200 Baud =========== From: KEN OBER To: RUFUS Subject: Furry Party Date & Time: 01/18/90 22:33:04 Message Number 1426 AHEM! Announcing! Is it okay if like 300 of my friends come along!? Even those who *I* don'T know have heard about it at my school wanna' come...I need to screen them to see if they are "NoJuanCon" material... Anyways, Beatle (Derek Minor) may be showing, in which case ::TA DA!:: we will be having TWO video cameras! Neet-o! And Turtle, can we blow up on of your dead VT-52's for the camera? Use some magnesium bombs and stuff outside....that'd be neet! I will be bringing STAR TREK IV if people remind me...also the famous VPA tape, and a tape of the last CON (RufusCON)....anyways, when will we have a CONwhen I'm a guest of honor??? Now...bad news, this may /not/ materialize, because I /may/ be doing something with Jenn, and she doesn't like the Idea of going to a "Furry Party", and sorry, but she takes priority over you all, but that's just a /maybe/ because she...well, it's a long story, never mind....anyways, is it okay if Scott &Dan & Derek & Derek & WIndrider & some other people come? They all want to...Trixie may even show if it is okay? C-'Ya!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sl8rz DoOdS!!! hehehehh ];> REMOTE CONTROL! - 378-2218 - 300/1200 Baud -Ken Obermiester =========== From: DONTHEN To: KEN OBER Subject: Furry Party Date & Time: 01/19/90 11:50:28 Message Number 1427 This isn't a pseudo-convention (as Turtle keeps pointing out to me), and despite Rufus' best efforts, it is *not* called "NoJuanCon" anywhere except his fevered imagination. As long as these people have /some/ idea of what they're geting into, I wouldn't have any problems with them coming, although I'm not the host. It should be pointed out that this is not likely to be your typical after-school party, so if people are planning to come over for the main reason of getting drunk and acting like idiots they won't be all that welcome--and they probably won't enjoy themselves. If someone doesn't have even a mild interest in animation, anthropomorphic comics or sf, he or she won't like the party, and since everyone has to drive some distance to get to Turtle's, it's not like a con party where the most you've "wasted" is a three-minute elevator ride. Someone who would rather be pulled over a field of broken razor blades than pay money to see "The Secret of NIMH" would hate it. Someone who thinks all comics are for kids--or never looks at comics that aren't Marvel or DC--would hate it. Someone who is baffled by the Double-Edge Tavern and Ace of Spades subs on Courts of Chaos--or still pictures Murr & Turtle as refugees from old Mickey Mouse cartoons--would hate it. Also, be aware there /is/ likely to be alcohol and a lot of stuff the prudish would consider pornographic. For a lot of the people you mentioned, "prudish" = "parents." These are just a few things to consider. Derek Miner would probably enjoy it, but the most interest I've seen in fantasy/sf from Windrider is the fact that he likes D&D. Like I said, anyone who wants to come to a furry party should know what they're getting into; anyone who isn't really interested but just "has nothing better to do" might be better off staying home vegetating to MTV. =========== From: KEN OBER To: CRYSTAL Subject: ack! Date & Time: 01/19/90 16:31:52 Message Number 1429 Just yell at me folks....well, fortunately, noone else has requested to come, so, this may be good....HEY, I was just going to bring ONE person.../most/ of the peopel Iwas speaking of were the dweebs who call Courts Of Chaos and are planning to show.....On is only 12....Like I said, I don't think Turtle should have said "Everyone Is Invited" HHmmm, well, doees anyone know if Ican get some sort of ride home? (That's if I'm going to be able to show at all...) It'd allow me to stay later....HHmm, I'll be bringing my hitchhiker book as well, so, everyone can oohhh &aaahhh over that! hehehehe.... bye... =========== From: KEN OBER To: DONTHEN Subject: Sure... Date & Time: 01/19/90 16:47:01 Message Number 1430 And you all should have put that in your advertisements! Anyways, I didn't tell Windrider where Turtle lives, so, he probably won't be showing.....ANd I tried to talk a friend of mine from school to show, but they aren't that stupid! :) Anyways, see 'ya all at the CON tomorrow......Igotta'get back to Rescue Rangers now! :) =========== From: KEN OBER To: CRYSTAL Subject: BTW-Crystal Date & Time: 01/19/90 16:49:29 Message Number 1431 Thanks alot for contradicting everything you said while chatting @ me last night, but then again, you were half-way asleep.... =========== From: RUFUS To: DONTHEN Subject: Furry Party Date & Time: 01/19/90 17:00:42 Message Number 1432 O.K., so I have a fondness of naming things. And Juan rhymes with con, so I couldn't resist. =========== From: YNGLING To: TURTLE Subject: problems Date & Time: 01/19/90 17:11:58 Message Number 1433 I think you're probably right about my needing to run a low level format - if you should hear about a program that will allow me to scrape my HD clean w/o dumping my files I'd appreciate a msg.. I ran a diagnostic last nite and got the following error msgs: DISK ERROR READING FAT 1 DISK ERROR READING FAT 2 SEEK ERROR READING DRIVE C PROCESSING CANNOT CONTINUE FILE ALLOCATION TABLE BAD DRIVE C ERROR READING ROOT Nice eh? I just wish I knew whatinthehell caused this. I wonder what a 9mm steel-jacketed slug would do to this thing? Hmmmm. I'm going to try and drop by Perkins tomorrow to meet a couple of you guys...if I dont make it have a good time. =========== From: CRYSTAL To: KEN OBER Subject: ack! Date & Time: 01/19/90 23:11:22 Message Number 1435 I am sorry to yell like that. But you must admit that a room full if high school people could scare anyone. But will see what happends. * CRYSTAL * =========== From: CRYSTAL To: KEN OBER Subject: BTW-Crystal Date & Time: 01/19/90 23:13:29 Message Number 1436 Yes I was 1/2 a sleep. And the more I thought about it, the less I liked it and the more up set I got. Any way like I said will see what happends. =========== From: RUFUS To: YNGLING Subject: problems Date & Time: 01/19/90 23:21:20 Message Number 1437 Yngling, I don't think you need to use firearms on your HD. Just get me 50 yds. of nylon rope. We tie it around the HD, tie the other end to a car, and drag it down 301 for a few miles. That'll teach it a lesson! =========== From: RUFUS To: CRYSTAL Subject: ack! Date & Time: 01/19/90 23:22:52 Message Number 1438 I don't think it's the room full of high school kids, it's the room full of high school kids who are weenies. I'm in high school and I don't think I'm a weenie. I've been called weird, rude, stoopid, bizarre, and in need of help, but not a weenie. Come to think of it, a room full of your average high school student is terrifying!! Anyways, I'm tired, and going to bed soon, after I figure where to hang this poster of a hydrogen bomb at. =========== From: YNGLING To: RUFUS Subject: problems Date & Time: 01/19/90 23:38:43 Message Number 1439 You may have a plan there Rufus but I need more details before I can give it serious consideration...what gauge of rope? What type of car? Exactly how many miles? Remember: we are dealing with sensitive equipment here and a single miscalculation could have dire consequences. =========== From: TURTLE To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: No Problem! Date & Time: 01/20/90 02:48:44 Message Number 1442 >been busy lately...lots of scuba diving... You dive? Where? You know, if you have any interest at all in ocean- ography, marine biology, or marine ecology, I bet Lorelei would /love/ to talk with you. She's in the Keys right now, doing work for the Dolphin Research Center in Key West. =========== From: TURTLE To: KEN OBER Subject: Furry Party Date & Time: 01/20/90 02:50:43 Message Number 1443 >...can we blow up one of the dead VT-52's? Use some magnesium bombs >or something? Well, except for the fact that (a) I don't have any powdered magnesium; (b) I don't have any detonators, and (c) a cartridge bomb wouldn't really be that impressive anyway (they are incindiary, not shattering, bombs, and don't generate much of a shockwave), well, no. If you really wanted to blow up a VT-52, a magnesium bomb wouldn't cut it. You'd need something like a dynamite or plastique device for that... magnesium cartridge bombs are useful primarily as ignitors for much larger devices. On the other hand, if you want to use a gasoline explosion to blow a refrigerator door into low earth orbit, well, magnesium is JUST the thing you're looking for... --An explosive Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: YNGLING Subject: problems Date & Time: 01/20/90 02:56:01 Message Number 1444 Yes, from the looks of things I'd say you absolutely need to run a low- level format, and badly. I've heard exactly once of a program that will do it without losing your files, but in your case I doubt it would work because the disk has to be readable in the first place to salvage everything on it. It sounds like you may actually have a media fault (a physically damaged area on the surface of the disk). The best I can advise is to copy off all the files you can and just format the sucker and take your losses, although if you /do/ have a media fault don't be surprised if you find you can't even format it. (If that is the case, the hard disk is a loss.) The most obvious thing that will cause that sort of problem, especially if it happened all of a sudden, is a head crash. Other than that, I don't really know where the problem could have come from... --A floppy Turtle =========== From: KEN OBER To: CRYSTAL Subject: ack! Date & Time: 01/20/90 11:38:32 Message Number 1445 Don't worry...as far as Iknow, only Me, Rufus, and Derek are the only HIgh-School people showing...... =========== From: KEN OBER To: CRYSTAL Subject: Cake... Date & Time: 01/20/90 11:39:18 Message Number 1446 Hey, I didn'T have any of your "yummy" vcake last time at RufusCON... Are you gonna'make more this time? :) =========== From: KEN OBER To: TURTLE Subject: HHmmm.... Date & Time: 01/20/90 11:41:40 Message Number 1447 I could always being my MAD! recipe for homemade Plastique out of common household products! :) -- A MAD! Ken Ober =========== From: RUFUS To: YNGLING Subject: problems Date & Time: 01/20/90 15:13:48 Message Number 1448 Well, a '77 Nova or a '79 Chevy Van would probaly work. I don't think the rope is that important, just as long as it holds. Here's exactly what ya do. Tie the hard drive up, tie the other end to the car. get the car up to 50 mph then toss the hard drive out the window, so it hits the pavement at a high speed. How long you drive depends on the size of the HD. You just use MEGS*.075 =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: CORWYN OF AMBER Subject: abortions... Date & Time: 01/20/90 17:52:55 Message Number 1449 ------- Just as a disclaimer, the opinion expressed is not mine, but my girlfriends ---- god calls it murder. =========== From: BEATLE To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX Subject: Robin Hood Date & Time: 01/20/90 18:49:41 Message Number 1450 Disney's "Robin Hood" has been on video for a long time. I think it was a limited release at first, but if you check some Wal-Marts, there is a whole set of re-released Disney tapes at $25. Some titles in- clude: Bedknobs and Broomsticks, Alice in Wonderland, and most likely Robin Hood... ===========