LI FILE ON MARGIN IS 40 STATUS: ENTER ONLY NUMBER OF LINES: 598 1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask.... 2 ********************* REMOVED: 21 APR 84 ******************* 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************ 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION 6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is 10 privatly owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which 11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be 12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 13 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the 14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the 15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace 16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 18 ************************************************************ 19 20 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 21 yup, MADE IT TO THE TOP (again).... is PAM still around? I can show 22 my good fortune and timing off....hello PAM? 23 All: ok, how about "Jesus said to love your enemy. Satan was Jesus's 24 enemy. Did Jesus love Satan?" no? yes? anyone?? 25 l'homme: No, no...that's not the idea! i think i could spot a machine on 26 the other end fairly rapidly. Past it's library of book openings, it takes 27 a fixed amount of time to come up with moves that are obvious to a human 28 player. There are other more subtle ways, but I won't bother....wanna play? 29 BARD: i did actually ask you. were you intrested in the archives? 30 piper: maybe a subject of your choosing?? anything at all... 31 ALL: does anyone know where i can find a 125 IPS tape drive? cheap? 32 Aaron 33 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 34 Mike: I am selling a system, has 2 MPI 5.25" disk, with the infamous data 35 seperator. How much could i get selling these beasts used, just them? I need 36 this data to put a price on this system, as it isnt much more than the 37 drives... I figgured about $50 each, yet a consultanting friend claimed $150 38 each. (These drives are a step (or 2) up from SA-400's. no flaky helical 39 positioning groove on a bakelite disk, actually stepper tied to linkage (i 40 think these are the same as the EDGE disks..)) thx. Aaron 41 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 42 BE NICE TO MOTHER. 43 -- MOTHER 44 ( HAA HAAA HAAAA FOOLED THEM AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) 45 HOW IS ABOUT THIS FOR A QUESTION? WHY DO WE LAUGH AT 46 OTHER RELIGIONS(I REJECT THE TERM MYTH) AND LAUGH BUT WE 47 IMMEDIATELY JUMP TO THE STATEMENT THAT OURS IS CORRECT? CAN WE 48 IN GOOD CONSCIENCE PROCLAIM OURSELVES AS THE CHILDREN OF GOD 49 WHILE MOST PREVIOUS CIVILIZATIONS ALSO BELEIVED THAT THEY WERE 50 CREATED BY THE "TRUE" GOD(S)? 51 HAWTHORNE 04-18-84 52 53 54 IN THIS LIFE YOU KIND OF NEED SOMETHING TO HANG ON TO.OKAY?/ 55 56 57 SHAME ON YOU.I OUGHT TO 58 WIPE YOUR MOUTH OUT WITH 59 SOAP!YOU NAUGHTY BOY YOU! 60 --MOTHER 61 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 62 Hathorne: game of chess? Aaron 63 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 64 65 66 TO AARON:I'D BE DELIGHTED. 67 HAWTHORNE 68 69 70 ANY AUTODUELISTS OUT THERE IN COMPUTERLAND?IF SO TAG ME AS WILL "CHEW EM 71 UP" HANRAHAN. THERE'S A LOCAL CHAPTER OF THE AADA OPENING. 72 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 73 HAWTHORNE: use control C or BREAK to exit "enter mode". I cleaned up your 74 mess. Leave a phone number & time. Will call and put carrier on line. I will 75 be in "ANSWER" you will be in "ORIGINATE". 300 BAUD. Aaron 76 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 77 TO AARON: I APOLOGIZE.I DIDNT MEAN TO MAKE A MESS. IT WASNT 78 THAT BAD. WAS IT? 79 80 I MUST WARN YOU I DONT PLAY CHESS THAT OFTEN AND I AM NOT 81 ENTIRELY SURE OF MY ABILITY BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE IT A TRY. 82 83 CALL ME AT xxx-xxxx AT 6:30. 84 85 AGAIN, I AM SORRY ABOUT THAT MESS.GOOD DAY. 86 HAWTHORNE 04-17-84 87 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 88 HAWTHONE: got number, removed it so you wouldn't get strange people calling 89 at odd hours. Is that 6:30 AM or PM? let me guess...post DR. WHO. = PM, 90 right? Aaron 91 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 92 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM 93 HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YOU! REMEMBER CLEAN SOCKS! --MOTHER 94 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM 95 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 96 Sensing nothing amiss, the piper sat on the bow of the speeding watercraft. 97 The length of the day had been more than he had bargained for, and the drone 98 of the engine and rocking of the waves soon put him fast asleep. 99 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 100 aaron -- i don't really have any brilliant ideas on topics. we've run a lot 101 of things to death on this board. religion is one that appeals to the emotions 102 but seems to leave little room for the intellect. both the pro and anti 103 factions for most religions loose sight of objectivity. this makes fascinating 104 reading but poor argument technique. politics is possible, but cynic that i 105 am, i don't expect change or easy answers. (short of one technique that 106 does have some moral shortcomings -- haul every politician, lobbiest, hanger- 107 on, bootlicker, and other unsavory form of life out of the national, state, 108 county, city, and other governmental body, execute them en masse. repeat 10 109 times and you might have a chance for honest government. honest government? 110 isn't that an oxymoron?) sorry all, around tax time my cynicism tends to get 111 a little out of control. 112 here's a thought for discussion. is there any legal technique for causig 113 the irs pain and frustration equal to the pain and frustration they cause you? 114 it seems that those who protest to the point of refusing to pay taxes are 115 either brave or misguided. some really believe that taxes are voluntary. 116 however, i'd really like to get even. i would like to stay within the law, 117 pay my taxes, but in such a way that it costs the irs more to collect them 118 than i actually pay. dreaming now -- it seems that i remember a program called 119 a tapeworm -- self-replicating, it invades a host system and eats cpu time 120 making copies of itself. didn't i read the other day that the irs is taking 121 returns in electronic form? heh heh heh.... 122 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 123 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? 124 AARON: HE (Jesus, that is) BECAME WORLD RENOWNED OVER A MERE SPAN OF 3 1/2 125 YEARS. THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF HIS PUBLIC MINISTRY. ALSO ON THE CLOUD THING, 126 WHEN SOMRTHING IS IN OR ON A CLOUD, FROM OUR VANTAGE POINT IT'S QUITE INVI- 127 SIBLE. IN ONE OF HIS PARTING COMMENTARIES TO THE TWELVE APOSTLES, HE GAVE 128 39 SIGNS THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE ON THE EARTH WHEN HIS PRESENCE BEGAN. IF HE 129 WAS GOING TO MAKE A VISIBLE SHOWING THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO NEED FOR THE 130 SIGNS. PART OF THE RECENT MISCONCEPTION ON THIS IS BASED ON THE ORIGINAL 131 GREEK WORD, PAROSIA. OLDER TRANSLATORS (1600'S) THOUGHT THIS TO BE BEST 132 RENDERED "COMING". BUT THROUGH ARCHEOLOGY AND THE LIKE THERE IS A BETTER 133 UNDERSTANDING OF THE GREEK LANGUAGE THAT WAS POPULAR DURING THAT TIME PER- 134 IOD. THUS "PRESENCE" IS MORE ACCURATE, AND DOES NOT REQUIRE VISIBILITY. 135 THE BIBLE INDICATES EVERY "EYE" WOULD SEE HIM, BY THE SIGNS.........IT 136 WOULD BE PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ALL THE PEOPLE ON A ROUND GLOBE. 137 138 VOYEUR: I WAS MERELY WISHING! THO SKY-DIVING IS INDEED A PART OF MY FUTURE 139 PLANS. WHAT'S IT LIKE? ANYTHING ON THE GROUND COMPARE? 140 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?DEBORAH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? 141 PIPER: IT SEEMED TO ME YOU WERE BEING SEMI-DAROGATORY ABOUT THE SO-CALLED 142 VIRGIN BIRTH. JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT 143 VIRGIN BIRTHS TAKE PLACE DAILY BY THE THOUDSANDS ON OUR FAIR PLANET. SINCE 144 I WAS RAISED ON A FARM, I KNOW THEY'VE DOING THIS PROCEDURE BY ARTIFICIAL 145 INSEMINATION AND IMPREGNATION FOR AT LEAST 25 YEARS. RECENTLY I SAW IN THE 146 NEWS THAT IT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL ON HUMANS, TOO. NO BIGY. 147 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! 148 **************************************************************** 149 Deborah: 150 151 You're mistaken in your statement that Jesus was world 152 renowned in the three and a half years of his ministry. During 153 his life he was virtually unknown. It was only much later, 154 after his disciples spread the word, that he gained his 155 public relations coup. 156 157 As I understand it, Jesus was so obscure during his life that 158 no picture of him exists that was created while he was alive. 159 The earliest painting of him weren't painted until at least a 160 hundred years after his death. 161 162 In this country we have a fairly common perception of how he 163 looked. But that doesn't mean that it's right. There are 164 probably thousands of different paintings of Jesus throughout 165 the world, all of them different. No one really knows what he 166 looked like since he was only a poor preacher that was unknown 167 beyond his little band of loyal followers. 168 169 Jesus didn't change the world...his disciples did. They were 170 the ones who wrote down his message. They were the ones who 171 interpeted what it really meant. Jesus was merely the martyr 172 that got the ball rolling. If it hadn't been for the folks 173 that bastardized his words over the centruies nobody would have 174 ever heard of him. Unless, of course, he really is god...but 175 that's a whole different story. 176 177 There's something you wrote that I don't quite understand. Are 178 you implying that the virgin birth was caused by Mary being 179 artificially inseminated? If so, you're really breaking 180 theological ground on that one. 181 Gary 182 ************************************************************** 183 :********** OH MY GOD...WHAT HAVE I DONE? GRAND D. *******: 184 :************************************************************: 185 Piper: I think a "namesake" of yours had a good idea. In "Lone Star Planet" 186 H. Beam Piper came up with a great idea. Any form of assualt, mayhem, etc 187 performed upon a practicing politician, was not punishable UNLESS the Judge 188 and jury decided that it was excessive. (As an example, early in the story we 189 get to sit in on the trial of a man who hacked a senator to death with a machete 190 he was found innocent after it was shown that the politician had used his 191 influence to ram a bill to establish an income tax thru his committee. There was 192 ONE dissenting vote- the dissenter thought the senator hadn't been killed slowly 193 enough!) 194 While this may be a bit extreme, the story does make some points worth 195 considering. 196 ______________________________Leonard___________________________________________ 197 Aaron: I am interested in the archives, but it will have to be a roundabout 198 xfer as I can't read CP/M disks. 199 "Chew-em-up" Hanrahan: please tell us more about the chapter. I have heard 200 of the goings on at the Armadillo Arena! In the meantime- DRIVE OFFENSIVELY! 201 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 202 "Well, at least we're going in the right direction..." 203 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 204 Gary-- perhaps he wasn't world-famous during his time here, but using the absence of pictures of him to illustrate 205 your point has a major problem--he was jewish, you see, and the jewish religion prohibit(s/ed) the making of 206 graven images. This extended to images of men, and was taken so seriously that incredibly violent riots occured 207 over the Romans' putting statues of an eagle and Caesar in the temple in Jerusalem. 208 *++Scopulus++* 209 210 YEAH! DRIVE DEFENSIVELY--THE BEST DEFENSE IS A GOOD OFFENSE! 211 !|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!___THE SILVER GHOST___|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!|!| 212 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 213 Also regarding your question at the begining of the disk, arron, Jesus 214 loved all creations, and was probably quite sad that satin had chose 215 to oppose God. 216 Bo 217 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 218 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 219 Right, we're going upstream. 220 Right, we're heading tword some power-bearing structure. 221 222 !!!!! Where are we going !!!!!!! 223 Fast Fred BSAL 224 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 225 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 226 Gary: Bravo, Bravo, Bravo! 227 piper: it seems to have taken off. i would like to see some sort of back- 228 ground task/topic aside from the pure fantasy, irregardless of its relative 229 arguability. Religion is fine... 230 Aaron 231 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 232 233 print 234 Leonard: OK then...when you have a chance to do some more examination, and 235 are all finished with what ever you are doing, we can move the languages 236 over to the OS of your choice... 237 Aaron: I heard you came thru for M F & E again! Congrats...But when I heard 238 what the problem was, and watched MF&E do some programming on that machine, 239 we both sang in unison "I deplore my crappadore 64!!!" haha... Are you 240 going to come to the meeting saturday? Or are you afraid to show your 241 face, if you know what I mean? 242 MOTHER: CAN YOU SAY MUTHA? SURE YOU CAN! NOW LET'S ALL GO TO THE MAGIC 243 KINGDOM... 244 $#%*)$#*%# 245 "Darn it anyway, no one seems to want to come and see what is behind this 246 green door, which by the way, has no relation to that 20th century sex 247 flick others are talking about...those movies are soooo boring, there 248 is simply no room for artistic lisense. 249 Well anyway, I managed to build up enough courage to enter the room without 250 the other adventurers, and examine what I had found. The room seemed to be 251 some sort of storage place for devices of the occult. One the floor was 252 painted a giant pentegram. On the walls hung shrunken heads and broom 253 sticks. There were tarot cards, crystal balls, reagnets and potions of 254 every kind (including eye of knute rockne and leg of lamb). Ancient books 255 with titles I couldn't even pronounce were stacked neatly on a bookshelf 256 to my left. A crate of small black pots lines another wall, and above 257 them were several cartons labeled "VOODOO - 100 GROSS". There were also 258 several mind altering drugs in labaled containers next to the voodoo 259 cartons. "That's one thing they don't teach us in school...witch craft 260 and black magic. I can't even learn all this stuff from Ozzy Osbourne!", 261 I muttered to myself. "I better find someone who knows more about this 262 stuff. We might have stumbled onto a 'black' market smuggeling operation 263 here." Just how much did Fast Fred pay for this crate anyway? I closed 264 and locked the door, but not before taking a jar of some weird chemical, 265 a voodoo doll from one of the packages, and a couple small books from 266 the shelf, and stuffing them all into by ever-present ever bulging back 267 pack. I hurried up to the deck, and set about to find the expert I was 268 looking for... 269 #!@)*#!@)*$!@) L'homme sans parity $*@#!)$&#$)&!#@)&$%#)%&#)@&%@)#&%@#) 270 -=*=- dROPPED bIT, you are forgetful...you blathered that already! -=*=- 271 272 *************************************************************** 273 Scopulus - Excellent point...I think. I wasn't aware of the 274 fanaticism about graven images but it sounds plausable. You 275 shot down one of my favorite arguements...good work. 276 277 The fact remains that the teachings of Jesus come to us through 278 the preachings of his followers. Most of which occured long 279 after his death. Jesus never wrote down his ideas. Neither did 280 he personally approve of the written interpretation others 281 gave to his preaching. My point still stands. 282 283 Gary 284 285 p.s. - I have previously avoided discussions of religion 286 because they bring out the bigots. Unfortunately, at Backwater 287 at least, the bigots get lumped on my side of the arguement. 288 Ah well...it took me most of my life to conquer my own 289 prejudices, I guess others deserve equal time. 290 291 ************************************************************ 292 Hey guys! Check out the torpedo system I installed downstairs. There's a 293 bardge at six o'clock. 294 The Ninja 295 Deborah: I believe the signs that you were referring to were signs of the 296 end times and show up BEFORE Christ returns. 297 Gary: Christ preached to multitudes. He caused great uproar in Rome and 298 was crusified. 299 :************************************************************: 300 Fast Fred let out a sigh of relief. 301 302 The trip up the Kolumbia had been more difficult than he'd 303 anticipated. It wasn't the cruise itself that left him 304 weary; it was the ever present prospect of GOLD. 305 306 Gold. That precious commodity that turned men to animals. That 307 brought greed and power lust to the eyes of even the most 308 timid. That turned men to savages. 309 310 Even now it caused his crew to stir, to plot, to plan, to 311 wreck havoc with his adventure. 312 313 With the ship safely anchored he retired to his cabin. He 314 closed the door, latched it, bolted it, then locked it with 315 his key. No point in taking chances. These were dangerous 316 times. 317 318 Then he noticed her, sitting on the bunk, waiting, silently, 319 patiently...waiting for him. 320 321 Her lithe nubile body rose from the bed. She eyed him 322 mysteriously, seductively, then, moving towards him, 323 unfastening the button that held the loose frock in place, 324 it fell to the ground, she stood before him...naked. 325 326 Her eyes penetrating, her hand slipping benieth his shirt, 327 her lips moist, ready, passionate. She leaned close and 328 whispered in his ear. "LeRoy sent me." 329 :*********************************************************: 330 331 I THINK I HAVE JUST BEEN CALLED A BIGOT. WHAT I WAS 332 SAYING , OR ASKING IS; HOW DO WE PROVE THAT GOD IS THE TRUE GOD? 333 334 AND IF IT CAN NOT BE PROVED HOWS ABOUT LISTENING TO THE 335 AGNOSTICS OR (DARE HE SPEAK IT?) ATHEYIST. IF NOT ;WHO'S THE BIGOT? 336 337 IS IT SO BAD TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND JUST REVIEW? IF IT IS WHY? 338 339 cHEW EM UP HANRAHAN HERE.CHECK OUT THE AUTODUEL QUART 340 VOLUME 2 ,NUMBER 1 MILIT ARY CORNER. THIS "STUMPTOWN" 341 CHAPTER IS SHAPING UP PRETTY 342 WELL AND WERE ON THE SEARCH FOR NEW MEMBERSLEAVE A MESSAGE TO 343 ME ABOUT YOUR CIRCLE SIZE AND 344 YOUR EQUIPMENT. BYE ,KEEP ON STEAMROLLERIN'. 345 346 AARON THANKS FOR THE COVER UP. BOTH OF THEM. 347 HAWTHORNE & 348 HANRAHAN 349 350 ALERT: 351 AVOID THE DOWNTOWN PIONEER SQUARE AREA .THE ROCKERS HAVE 352 STARTED TO VI FOR TERRITORY! SO FAR ABOUT 30 WAVOS AND TRENDIES 353 HAVE BEEN ATTACKED AND SOON SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE KILLED.IF 354 YOU ARE WILLING TO COMBAT THIS RISE IN VIOLENCE THEN WRITE THE 355 MAYOR THE POLICE CHIEF OR ANYONE THAT WOULD BE OF HELP. THAT 356 INCLUDES THE EDITOR OF THE ORIGONIAN.DEMONSTRATIONS ARE BEING PLANED. 357 A RECENT TOPIC ON THIS SYSTEM WAS GUN CONTROL, AND THE FACT 358 OF THE AVAILIBILITY OF HEAVY WEAPONS IN A FREE SOCIETY. I'M 359 WORRIED. I HAVE TO RIDE A BUS NEAR THERE AND THEY ARENT TOO 360 DESCRIMINATE ABOUT THEIR VICTIMS 361 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< *.* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 362 363 All you hackers or would be hacker don't miss the Novella in the 364 May issue of ANALOG. 365 "VALENTINA" by Joseph H. Delaney & Marc Stiegler 366 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Captn' Barefoot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 367 368 Aaron: Are you listening?????? 369 370 AARON:IT IS NOT WORKING.IAM AT 371 FULL DUPLEX, 300 BAUD.HOPE YOU 372 GET THIS. 373 {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{ 374 WHO IS TO SAY IF GOD REALLY EXISTS OR NOT???? 375 I, PERSONALLY DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD, BUT I DO FEEL THERE IS A HIGHER 376 FORM OF LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE. 377 AS FAR AS GOD, HE MUST PROVE HIS EXISTENCE TO ME BEFORE I WORSHIP HIM...... 378 THERE HAS, SO FAR, BEEN NO CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE INASFAR AS THE EXISTENCE O 379 JESUS OR GOD. DON'T TELL ME THAT THE TURING SHROUD PROVES IT EITHER, 380 BECAUSE AN ARTICLE I HAVE READ TOLD OF A LECTURE ON THE SHROUD WHERE AN 381 ARTIST WAS IN THE BACKGROUND PAINTING, AND AT THE END OF THE LECTURE, HE 382 A PIECE OF CLOTH THAT LOOKED EXACTLY LIKE THE SHROUD. 383 ANYONE WITH THE RIGHT MATERIALS COULD MAKE THEIR OWN SHROUD, IF THEY WERE 384 ARTIST ENOUGH TO PAINT. 385 SECONDLY, THE BIBLE IS A COLLECTION OF STORIES AND FABLES FOR THE CONDUCT 386 OF MAN, PROBABLY SET FORTH BY SOME OLD MAN, TO CONTROL THE BEHAVIOR OF LATER 387 GENERATIONS. 388 I AM NO BIBLICAL INTERPRETER, BUT WHAT I HAVE READ READS LIKE A STORY, RATHER 389 THAN THE CHRONICLE OF A MAN WHO WAS THE SON OF GOD. 390 FINALLY, THERE IS NO WAY MATTER CAN SPONTANEOUSLY BE CREATED OUT OF NOTHING. 391 I BELIEVE THIS BLOWS THE CHAPTER OF GENESIS TO THE FABLED OPPOSITE OF 392 HEAVEN. 393 UNBELIEVER 394 {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} 395 Dear Unbeliever: 396 I'm not sure I believe in the Shroud either, but it's been rathe conclusively proven that the image on it is NOT 397 paint. The material from which it is made also seems (from analyses of materials and weaving) to have been made in 398 the area of Israel sometime about 2000 years ago. Still not proof positive, but food for thought. Do yourself a 399 favor: do a little study of BOTH sides before you condemn either one. At least then you won't get taken apart by 400 those with whom you argue. As I've said before I'm an odd Christian; I believe that if god wants you on his side 401 he's capable of making his point too convincingly to ignore. If not, well... In any case, the ultimate choice is 402 and must be yours alone, and it could be the most important choice of your life. So do a little research, the worst 403 that could happen is you might get better educated for your troubles. And who among us can't use more education? 404 && The Mad Actor && 405 406 407 IF THE VATICAN WOULD AGREE TO A CARBON 14 DATING EXAM THEN IT 408 COULD BE PROVEN.HOWEVER AS IT IS THE VATICAN BELEIVES THAT THE 409 SQUARE INCH OR SO REQIRED OF THE FABRIC IS TOO DEAR A PRICE TO 410 PAY FOR A TRUTH THAT IF WENT THEIR WAY COULD SWING THOUSANDS 411 OF HEATHENS TO 'GOD'. 412 AS IT STANDS THEY WONT. AND UNTILL EITHER THEY AGREE OR SCI- 413 ENCE FINDS A BETTER METHOD THAN CARBON DATING WELL WE WONT KNOW. 414 HAWTHORNE 04-17-84 415 PS AARON I'M LEARNING. 416 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM 417 "MUTHA" --MOTHER 418 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM 419 **************************************************************** 420 aaron: the MPI's are going for $75-$100 used, and $150-$200 new. price 421 depending on condition of drive and sucker buying same. 422 *********************** CISTOP MIKEY ************************************ 423 Who say's matter can't be created from "nothing". And who's definition of 424 "nothing" are we to base our observations on? Is nothing the lack of some- 425 thing, implying that nothing is actually something as it is defined in terms 426 of something, or something that is simply not understood? in that case nothing 427 is most definately something, only it is something unnamed rather then nothing 428 as one might think. 429 Mr. Tim 430 Something very strange is happening here. I just got a margin bell that 431 ============================================================================= 432 Oh my goodness. I think Mr. Tim was murdered by his computer - Bandersnatch 433 ============================================================================= 434 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 435 CISTOP: thanks. I will price my computer acordingly. 436 HAWTHORNE: there is time... 437 BARD: can use simple RS-232 to copy archives, whats your top speed? 438 CISTOP (again): can you make the backups to a straight IBM format, instead 439 of CP/M? I can read the CP/M disks, but it's quite tedious as i need to 440 re-copy them onto my system format (i have a utility to). Do you have 441 anything along the lines of "UNIFORM" to perform such a conversion? In fact, 442 if you could do it in good 'ol RT-11 format, this would help. possible? 443 DEBORAH: you didn't really say "physically impossible", did you? Consider 444 the trinity (the square circle), creation of earth in 6 days, flood that 445 covers entire earth--killing everyone except an ark-full of critters, 446 resurection, miracles...etc. Back to the question, will he actually return 447 "on" a cloud? 448 UNBELIEVER: are you the same as "RONNIE"? it is very easy to create some- 449 thing from nothing, can refer you to Sci-Am "Vacuum particle interaction" 450 on that very subject... 451 TMA: No one said a painter has to paint with paint! (linguists out there?) 452 maybee a light solution of sulpheric acid......yes, that would do it.. 453 CISTOP (finaly): no, no problem. I will code up a prog to read them anyway. 454 But i will need algors to decode a CP/M directory, etc, can you provide? 455 STAR WARS PLAYERS: is there any interaction between scenes? if i blow up 456 wall fixtures in the exaust port tube, do i have fewer of something else to 457 blow up later? i am lead to believe this because of the NN TOWERS message 458 at the beggining of the exaust port scene. maybe some hints to improve my 459 score? i play "medium", usually score approx. 800-900k. considering the 460 rate at which one accumulates points, HOW DOES SOMEONE SCORE 30 MILLION?? 461 MiG: still .3k, at the moment. 462 L'homme: Possibly attend. I have day shift on the hotline, maybe i can find 463 someone to fill for me..... Why don't you re-schedual PAUG you are a central 464 figure in that group, right? Maybe i can get MF&E to attend.. As for "i 465 deplore my 64".....you should be so lucky as to own one! i personally KNOW 466 commodore is making THE BEST anti-roll device availiable. whats an "anti- 467 roll device"? Next time your at the airport, watch the ground crew as a jet 468 rolls up to the concourse...they put an "anti-roll device" under the front 469 landing gear wheels to prevent the jet from wandering...its a 64! yi yi yii! 470 oooops! see i have to clarify above: Possibly attend PorSFiS. You should 471 re-sched PAUG so you can make history of computing in portland. (we wont 472 re-sched for you...) 473 and to ALL a goodnight.. Aaron 474 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 475 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM 476 GIVE MOTHER A KISS GOODNIGHT, AARON. DID YOU BRUSH?!? --MOTHER 477 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM 478 WITH A HORRIBLE THUD CRASHED THE PASTOR AND WITH A SHREIK UP 479 FLEW THE PASTOR. ALAS EVERYTIME THE PASTOR LANDS IT IS I 480 THORNEBUSH." AT LAST HARD,SOLID GROUD, DIRT NO LESS." YELLED 481 PASTOR.QUICKLY HE REGRETTED THE YELLED PART. IT SEEMS THAT THE 482 PAASTOR WAS INSIDE A CLEARING WALLED AND CEILED IN THE SAME 483 BERRYBUSHES THAT HAD TATTERED THE PASTORS CLOAK. CHECKING FOR 484 BOTH HIS IRON RING AND ANY BEAST THAT THE YELLS OF A MAN IN PAIN 485 USUALLY AWAKE. 486 FINDING THE RING,INTACT AND NOTHING TRYING TO CHEW HIM;THE 487 PASTOR TOOK IT AS A GOOD SIGN. 488 AND HE SET OUT ON HIS WAY. HE CHOSE TO GO NORTH ALTHOUGH HE 489 IDNT KNOW THAT AT THE TIME,ALL HE KNEW WAS THAT HE WAS GETTING 490 HUNGRY. HE CHOSE THAT DIRECTION FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT THAT 491 WAS THE WAY HE WAS FACING. AND THAT,WAS,NORTH. 492 493 - THE PASTOR P-K4 - 494 495 THAT WAS STUPID.THE PASTOR HAD BEEN TRYING,IN VAIN,TO HOLD 496 AWAY VERY THORNY BRANCHES IN AN ATTEMPT TO SAVE HIS EYES. HIS 497 FINE CLOAK AND EVEN HIS LEN SHREADED,TATTERED. 498 HIS STOMACHE WAS NOT,HOWEVER IN PAIN AT ALL,THESE BERRIES 499 WERE TASTY AND IN ABUNDANCE. THORNBERRIES PLUS THORNS AND 500 ENDLESS BRANCHES TO LAUNCH THEM WERE IN ETERNAL ABUNDANCE. I 501 DONT THINK,AT THIS POINT IN TIME THINK THE PASTOR LIKED THIS 502 REALITY. 503 - THE PASTOR P-K4- 504 505 AND HE HAD THOUGHT HE MIGHT BE GOING MAD. THE PASTOR THOUGHT 506 THAT HE HAD HEARD MOTORS AND WHAT NOT. AND HERE IT WAS. THE 507 PASTOR WAS FINALLY OUT OF THE THORNEPATCHES. THIS,TO THE 508 PASTOR WAS PROOF THAT THE TWO CONDITIONS OF HIS FALL,HERE WERE 509 INDEED MARKS OF A GOOD OMEN. 510 WITH HIS TYPICAL EFFICIENCY THE PASTOR STEEP BACK INTO THE 511 THORNEPATCH JUST ENOUGH TO OBSCURETHE CITIZENS VIEW OF HIM 512 BUT TO ALLOW HIM TO SEE THE LARGER STRUCTURES. THE PASTOR 513 WAS ON A CONCRETE BOARDWALK 20 OR MORE FROM THE WATER. A STRIP 514 OF GRASS AND NOW HATED BUSHES WERE ALSO ON THE BEACH. 515 THERE WERE SEVERAL BRIDGES ALL VARYING IN SIZE AND DESIGN OVER 516 THE RIVER. AND A VERY DIRTY ONE AAT THAT. THF 517 ACCUMULATED SMOG LED THE PASTOR TO BELEIVE THAT THE SEASO- 518 NS LASTED YEAR ROUND."OH NO!" THE PASTOR SQUEALED IN INTENSE 519 DISCOMFORT." THIS IS ONE THOS REALITIES WHERE ALE GE 520 BACK AT YOU THE NEXT DAY. NOT ONE OF THOOOOOOOSE!!!".I KNOW,AT 521 THIS POINT THE PASTOR ID NOT LIKE THIS,OR ANY OTHER REALITY. 522 523 - THE PASTOR N-KB3 - 524 525 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 526 The piper rolled over in his sleep, came awake with a slight shiver, then 527 lay back down to sleep. "River travel is a good place to catch up on your 528 rest..." was his last waking thought. 529 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 530 Deborah -- sorry if my attack of terminal cynicism was too far off the mark. 531 I don't dispute the fact that artificial insemination has been used sucessfully, 532 however my milch cow, Lassie, thinks that it is a sham and a delusion. After 533 spending nearly $100 with All-West Sires, I'm in the market for a good, proven 534 Rent-A-Bull. Lassie has stated in unequivicol terms that there will be no 535 virgin births occuring at this establishment with her assistance. It's the 536 real thing or nothing. Also, I noticed in a recent news article that the 537 trend towards single mothers having children is also increasing. The news story 538 mentioned that those females who desired to bear a child with no male contact 539 were using such items as turkey basters with considerable sucess. 540 Thus, I can certainly not dispute the possibility of virgin birth. In 541 addition, biologists have shown that in at least some species, fertilization 542 is not necessary for offspring to occur. In the honeybee, for example the 543 sex of the offspring depends on whether the egg has been fertilized. Fertilized 544 eggs develop into either workers (sterile females) or queens. Unfertilized eggs 545 develop into drones (males). Artificial parthogenesis (initiation of 546 unfertilized development) has been done by merely mechanically stimulating 547 unfertilized frog eggs. By mechanically penetrating the ova wall, a percentage 548 have been started developing. I don't recall if there were any differences 549 among the new little frogs, however. 550 Such manipulation has not, to my knowlege, resulted in the birth of a 551 human being from an unfertilized ovum. Such an occurance, while unusual, 552 could not be ruled out. In addition, since the viability of human sperm can 553 be as great as 72 hours under favorable conditions, and can even survive 554 unfavorable conditions for two or three, all of these could cause a young 555 woman to become pregnant without the aid of a male. However -- I personally 556 consider it most unlikely. Not impossible, just unlikely. 557 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 558 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM 559 YOU NAUGHTY LITTLE BOYS YOU, DOES YOUR MOTHER KNOW YOU TALK 560 LIKE THAT? --MOTHER 561 562 ------------------------------------------------------- 563 NOTICE TO MARINERS # 1.578.209479 564 FROM: Commander Nth Costa Guard District 565 TO: All Floating Conveyances 566 567 Update on previous reported gigantic sea monster. 568 (Ref: N.T.N. # 1.578.209476) Said previous reported 569 creature has been spotted off the tip of Indian-Axe 570 Island, swimming in an easterly direction. At last 571 report it was pursuing a rather strange craft of 572 unknown origin. Warning: If course deviates to the 573 south of GuveMint Island traffic across low bridge 574 ME-502 will be diverted. All river traffic tune to 575 Channel #16 /156.800 MegaWiggles/ for further 576 reports and updates. 577 Lt. Cmdr. 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