FILE ON MARGIN IS 76 STATUS: ENTER ONLY NUMBER OF LINES: 597 1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask... 2 ******************* REMOVED: 25 AUG 84 ********************************** 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************************* 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION 6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privately owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is 10 privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which 11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be 12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 13 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the 14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the 15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace 16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 18 ************************************************************ 19 20 Golly, where do I start? 21 Laz: Sorry, I must have overlooked your second quiry. I see no reason why 22 the parties in question can't run again, some states have a law that says 23 that a referendum must receive a minimum amount of votes, or it is 24 considered as not passing, but they can always be resubmitted again, and 25 quite often are in only a slightly modified form in the hopes that they 26 will pass. 27 Also, Mig wasn't the one who stated the 22 mi thing for damage, he was 28 pushing the 200 mile radius. I had offered aprox 20 mile for a 'normal' 29 bomb (Most of the US bombs are in the 10 to 20 MT range (or was the last 30 time I was into that sort of thing.)) 31 The EMP thing, now there is another often misused figure. Depending on 32 who is talking, you can get just about any figure you want, from limmiting 33 to the blast area, to including the whole world. Well, again we have the 34 problem that it really depends on what your dealing with. Again, the effect 35 deminishes with distance. One of the popular quotes I hear now and then is 36 that you can blow a bomb around 100 miles up and wipe out all the electronic 37 equipment in the US. Not true. What it can do, is to disrupt rf communications 38 for the duration of the blast, and maybe take out a few 'VERY' sensitive 39 pieces of equipment that wasn'T properly protected. To understand what the EMP 40 is, think of a radio transmitter that is messured in the gigiwatts instead 41 of kilowatts. The protection that is being looked for is for 'near' blasts, 42 (less then a couple of miles or so) outside this area, normal protections 43 devices work to prevent equipment destruction. (the amount of protection, again 44 is dependant upon how much protection was built into the equipment. 45 Most radio equipment is designed to handle sitting at the base of a 100KW 46 xmitter tower without damage (that doesn'T mean it will work while sitting 47 there thouhg, only that it will work after you move it away again.) 48 On your statement re Bog/what's her name AMEN! 49 On your question on archives, you should have a RDCPM program for the Gazelle 50 which allows you to read 8" CPM disks. If you don't have it, I am sure you 51 can get it out of Seattle Computer Products at minimal cost. Then you could 52 get copies of the 8" CPM archive disks. 53 Mig: 200MT huh? the last time I heard, the biggest bomb exploded was a 100MT 54 device by Russia, nor was the 'kill' area anywhere near 200 miles. 55 Even if it was nutron intensive, I don't see how you could get that kind 56 of kill radius. 57 As Laz says, effects are not clasified (not counting a few exceptions) 58 and you can find out about them by going down to your local library and 59 reading up on them. I had to look up on the EMP thing a couple of years 60 ago on so equipment I was designing, and it was quite readily available 61 if you want to take the time to follow all the leads and weed out the 62 garbage information. As is usually the case in that sort of search, you 63 spend 10 hours to get 10 minutes of usfull info. 64 ********************** CISTOP MIKEY ************************************* 74 ///////////////******\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 75 HI. 76 IS ANYONE INTERESTED IN DESIG- 77 NING A WARGAME(NOT LIKE D&D,LIKE STARFIRE,ETC.)? 78 ELRIC OF MELNIBONE 79 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" 80 SURE, ELRIC. 81 I HAVENT PLAYED A WAR GAME BEFFOR BUT I AME A FAST LEARNER. 82 83 ASP 84 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" 85 The EMP can render unusable solid state devices unyill they are repaired,ependin 86 g on a number of factors.The altitude and yield of the explosion, distance 87 what's between it and the EMP ie shielding, etc.This phenomena can also efect 88 non solid state devices. One H Bomb test in the South Pacific disrupted PART 89 of the telephone service in Hawaii, hundreds of mils away. And not just at 90 the moment of the explosion. There is, so far, no way to totally protect 91 solid state communications gear. The Air Force found old tube type radios, 92 nav-com type navigation gear, in a Russian jet figher flown to Formosa (I 93 believe it was) by a defecting Russian pilot. There are rumors that we, too 94 are using tube type equipment. And they are probabl true. The 22 mile figure 95 I quoted came from a booklet from the E.M.S. At thi distance from ground zero 96 near total destruction of all but specially designe structures would result 97 from a 20 megaton bomb, exploded at altitude. Not a pleasant thought, but 98 reasonably accurate. Another myth is that a total echange between us and 99 the USSR would totally destroy the world. Not necesarily. If Dr. Sagan's 100 theory of the "nuclear winter" is true, then I am wrong, and the population 101 of planet earth would, indeed, perish. If, however, he is wrong, then there 102 will be many survivors. Keep in mind that the Unite States would not be ' 103 saturated'. The USSR has about one warhead for every county in America. r 104 haps 1.5. Subtract from that the ones that never ge off the ground, the ones 105 we shoot down with ABM'S, the ones that malfunctionand do not detonate at 106 altitude from altitude/pressure sensing devices, or remote control, and deto 107 nate from proximity or impact. This significantly rduces their destructive 108 power. Consider also, that there are a number of high priority targets that 109 WILL be staurated, such as missle bases in the mid-west, Montana, etc; and 110 New York City ( The United Nations Bldg. and center of financial records for 111 many of Americas largest corporations),Omaha, Nebraka, Boulder City, Colordo 112 Washington D.C. All SAC Bases, Chanute, Illinois, Dayton, Ohio, etc etc.n- 113 dustrial areas, Southern California, ( and Beaverton, Oregon, incidentally) 114 That leaves areas of the United States that would be far from being DIRECTLY 115 effected. That does not include other areas of the world, either. Ergo, evn 116 in a total exchange, there is still hope. Many people will survive, at least 117 for some time. I intend to be one of them. 118 Sorry I took up so much line space, but I get into what I am writing---. 119 //////////////////*****\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 120 HI ASP. 121 THIS IS ELRIC.I'D LIKE 122 TO (BEGIN) TO EXPLAIN ABOUT WARGAMES 123 FIRST,THEY ARE A SOMEWHAT ADVANCED 124 FORM COMPARABLE TO CHESS. 125 THEY INVOLVE DICE,SMALL (.5 IN.) 126 COUNTERS(PEICES OF PAPER WITH WRITING ON THEM,A MAP,AND TWO OR MORE 127 ENTHUSIASTIC GAMERS(I THINK MAYBE WE 128 COULD WORK ON A SINGLE PLAYER VARIANT .........) 129 I'D LIKE TO KNOW A FEW 130 THINGS ABOUT YOU BEFORE WE START; 131 AGE,GRADE(IF APPLICABLE),AND CITY. 132 I'M 13,GOING INTO 8TH,AND LIVE IN 133 WILSONVILLE(A SMALL TOWN SOUTH OF 134 PORTLAND). 135 ALSO,ARE YOU INTO SF,D&D 136 CHESS,THE MIDDLE AGES,OR ARE YOU 137 INTERESTED IN ANYTHING.LET ME KNOW. 138 [I TRY TO CALL BACKWATER AT LEAST 139 ONCE A DAY]. 140 HOPEFULLY, 141 ELRIC OF 142 _____________________ 143 | MELNIBONE | 144 --------------------- 145 (OR ELRIC THE WHITE) 146 PS-ASP,DONT LET THAT "13" CHANGE 147 YOUR MIND.I TOOK THE SAT LAST YEAR. 148 (DID GOOD,TOO IF I DONT SAY SO MYSELF !!) 149 ELRIC THE WHITE WOLF (YES,ANOTHER NICKNAME!) 150 Huh, could have sworn that `Elric of Melnibone' was the name of a 151 character in several books by Michael Moorcock. Must be mistaken, though; 152 certainly no one would be so tacky as to rip-off a name directly like that. 153 @@@@@@@ 154 155 156 @@@ 157 158 If there is a GOD (ha ha ha) 159 He must get his kicks out of 160 seeing people suffer. 161 He would obviously vote for Reagan 162 since they are both for keeping th 163 powerful that way and the weak and poor weak and poor! 164 If there is anyone out there who would 165 read a book and 166 believe everything in it so much that 167 they base their life on it, to him/her I say: 168 169 I have some nice farm land in Florida for CHEAP. Any takers? 170 171 172 DOWNTOWNER 173 @@@@ 174 DO ENY OF YOU BUMS HAVE SOFTWARE OUT THERE FOR APPLE? IF YOU DO 175 CALL ON PHONE 246-xxxx AND DO NOT CALL ON MODEM 182 IF YOU HAVE ANY SOFTWARE LET US KNOW WE WILL TRADE DISKS THANKS(246- 185 SOFTWARE WE WANT SOFTWARE SO ANSWER BUMS!!!!!!!!!!! 186 ****--- I hope you mean public domain programs ! ---**** 187 I DONT KNOW DO I I AM ONLY A GIRL AT THAT WHAT IS PUBLIC DOMAIN 188 MEAN HUH WHAT!!!!!!ANSWER THAT YOU NERDBUCKET !!!!!!!!!!!*********** 189 190 +++++++++++++++++++++++SIGNED SNIFFY--------------------------------- 191 AND DONT SAY DUM FEMALES BUM!!!!!!!!!***** 192 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;- 193 So you think the "MODERN" Air Force uses tubes huh? Well speaking strictly 194 off the record...... some of the systems I used to work on ( as long as 3 195 years ago ) were of the old tube type. While they were spending all your tax 196 dollars on those high tech jet fighters and fast tanks your nuclear triad 197 was suffering from outdated and outmoded equipment. A typical B-52(D,G,or H) 198 had at least six or so tube type systems. The reason being, that up until a 199 couplr of years ago semiconductor devices were not capable of meeting the 200 high power output requirements and handle the environmental stresses i.e. 201 heat, humidity etc.. not that tubes were cheaper, just more durable under 202 under those circumstances. Oh the horrible storys I could tell, but they 203 are of little interest to most people so I won't feed anyone's paranoia. 204 Getting away from the usual doom and gloom, what ever happened to a person 205 by the name of D.B. Cooper? Things sure have been dull since he left! 206 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;- 207 :=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:= 208 Sniffy: I would like to trade software to you but I don't know that 209 I should, me being a bum and all. Us nerdbucketts don't have 210 any right to even talk to you "upper class" 11 year olds. 211 I have enough software to be able to trade just about anything 212 But I'm just not sure. You could call 635-xxxx and see but 213 I'm not certain at all. The number above is for voice. 215 :=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:= 223 /////////////////*****\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 224 225 TACKY,BARBARIAN?! 226 YOU HALF WITTED GRAHLUK! 227 I AM ELRIC,MASTER OF STORMBRINGER, 228 KING OF MELNIBONE! 229 TACKY?THAT WORD WENT OUT 230 WITH BELL-BOTTOMS AND LARGE GOLD 231 MEDALLIONS! 232 ENOUGH!I,ELRIC,WILL DRINK 233 YOUR UGLY SOUL! 234 PS-COWARD!SIGN YOUR MESSAGES! 235 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 236 WHATS THIS!?!?!?!? 237 YOU S.O.B!CALLING GOD SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS A WORK OF A TRUE 238 (I'LL LEAVE THAT FOR YOU TO 239 PONDER IN YOUR DEMENTEDLY TWISTED MIND! 240 WANT TO DEBATE RELIGION ANYONE? 242 THE CRUSADER 243 244 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 245 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;- 246 This sudden surge of infantile language around here has burned my modems' 247 little mike! And what's this "Elric" stuff? SIGH! Did any one catch the 248 article in the paper the other day about a group of radioactive isotopes 249 that got "lost" at Hanford? They were doing a routine inventory and LO! 250 eight containers with research isotopes were missing since their last use. 251 Ummm, oh yes! When and whereabouts will the next couple of PorSiFiS (is that 252 right?) as I am contemplating a sojourn to one soon. I'd like to meet some 253 you folks and possibly exchange a few thoughts in person. That is, if you 254 can put up with little ol' me. Well, I really must be going, ta ta! 255 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-; 256 ;-;-;-; : Do they still have 'D's around? when I was working on them in ' 257 '73, they were in the process of mothballing them. They had already 258 gotten rid of the 'C's (thatnk god I hated working on them, they were 259 always broken, and the hydrolics leaked over everything.) 260 The equipment I worked on was all tubes, nothing wrong with it either, 261 it was very reliable for what it was. The memory unit was a bunch of 262 servos and gears. not fancy, but it worked. The navigation equipment 263 on the tankers was a hogpodge though, it could have tubes or transistors 264 depending on the aircrafts age, or the last repair job. The older ones 265 used the ASN-6 nav computer which was miniture tubes and servos. When 266 the later ones used the ASN-7 system which used sub-miniture tubes 267 and a few less servos. Most of the ASN-7 parts were interchangable 268 with the ASN-7A parts which used transistors. The ASN-7 & 7A system 269 was far more reliable and accurate then was the older ASN-6 system. 270 The interesting part was that the nav computer got its update info 271 from the same inertial nav system that the B52 uses. A tube system 272 that provides ground speed and direction information from 273 dopler signals. As you said yes the military does still use tubes, 274 but has nothing to do with EMP, it is simply because it is there, 275 and it works. The same goes with the russians, yes they do have 276 tube equipment in use, simply because they know how to make it 277 and it works reliably. 278 Also, yes an EMP pulse can destroy semis, but I wouldn't worry 279 about it, since if it was close enough to destroy the semi, it 280 was also close enough to kill you. What the services are working 281 on is a way for the equipment to survive a near hit with out 282 destroying the equipment. Outside of that, the EMP pulse is no 283 different then somone firring up a CB set near your radio, it'll 284 mask off reception while they are transmitting, but it will 285 return to normal as soon as they turn the transmitter off. 286 There can also be additional side effects because of other things 287 though, such as a disruption of the heavyside layer which would 288 foul HF band radio communications. (But since just about anything 289 can do that, it is no big deal, even the sun does it periodically.) 290 ********************** CISTOP MIKEY ******************************* 291 We just got this modem and I would like to know of any other 292 numbers I could call. 293 294 ERIC (not Elric) 295 THE RED 296 """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" 297 298 FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF 299 Bonjour, 300 Im kind of new and i hope 301 im not trespassing on anyones greeting (?).i've read a couple of the 302 "downtowners" messages and i'd like to 303 know what his problem is.blaming GOD 304 for pain and suffering is like blaming 305 your toe for stubbing it. 306 to ERIC THE RED call; 307 638-xxxx:pirates workshop 308 252-xxxx:olympus 309 649-xxxx:excalibur 310 311 these are some good BBS'S. 312 313 The 314 Prince 315 of 316 Paris 317 318 FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF 319 HEY PRINCE, TYPE "OFF" BEFORE YOU HANG UP YOU IDIOT! 320 :=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=: 321 All who don't care, 322 323 Reagan will make this country into what it once was, 324 a barren region covered in ice. 325 326 :+:+:+:+:+:+: 327 Sniffy: if that was you that called, next time let me get in a few 328 words before you hang up. 329 330 :=:=:=:=:=:to all new users: READ THE HELP FILE!!!:=:=:=:=:=:=: 331 WHY? I GET ALONG JUST FINE WITHOUT IT! 332 :::::::::::::::::::O O::::::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::::::::::: 333 Mikey: kinda makes you wonder if there's any need to rotate drive 334 A to drive B, doesn't it? Just reset the pointer on drive A and start 335 over (and over and over...) until something worth saving appears. 336 Well, the lean times make the good times more precious. Yin/yang, etc. 337 Hang in there, it's GOT to get better again. (it does, doesn't it?) 338 :::::::::::::::::::O O::::::::::voyeur:::::::::::O O::::::::::::::::::: 339 P.S. Alex: is there any significance to the fact that Laissez-Faire 340 used the phrase `we be brown' (also)? Just wondering... 341 By the way, isn't it getting to be about time for another Risk game? 342 All the junk on the board lately puts me in the mood to nuke someone. 343 ::::::::::O O::::::::voyeur::::::::O O:::::::: 344 Get along just fine? Thats not good enough at all! You might think you 345 are doing fine but it's not for the person who calls right after YOU get 346 off. They have to fix the system from YOUR MISTAKES. Have you read the 347 help file? 348 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 349 My! what a mess. Mikey:I know what I am told. That is all. As I recall 350 there is a little accord tat says something along the lines of "nothing over 351 150KT" between us and russia?`Laz:Who is "Barry"?? you mean Goldwater? 352 Yes, I am a twit, I love it, revel in it and above all, am trying not to be. 353 I do like being 17 though, have been for 2 years now! 354 All:take a look at page B9 in your oregonian and read the article in the upper 355 left hand corner. It says`in essence, computer wiretapping is legal unless the 356 state has laws against it. Most interesting. 357 Alex:Motorola rep called today, we are in bussiness. I still need to get ahold 358 of somebody from Hatachi`though. Could you write down EVERYTHING that this 359 little puppy has to do? I want to start making wire-wraps soon. 360 MiG 361 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 362 Mikey: Where did you get your information about the EMP? If I am wrong, I'd like 363 to know so, but I don't think I am. Whatthe disrupted communications 600 miles 364 from that H bomb test, all the articles in science magazines, books in the 365 libraries,etc. Are all of them wrong? Hey, Migguy is back! 366 ********************************************************************* 367 MIG: I WILL TRY AND SEE IF I CAN DIG UP THE INFO, BUT I DON'T HOLD 368 A LOT OF HOPE, IT WAS 4 YEARS AGO THAT I STUDIED THE THING, AND I 369 WASN'T INTERESTED IN THE EMP RADIUS ASPECT AT THE TIME, ONLY THE 370 THINGS TO DO TO SHIELD AGAINST IT. THIS WAS A PART OF MY SEARCH ON 371 HOW TO PREVENT DISRUPTION OF EQUIPMENT BY STATIC ELECTRICITY. I 372 CAME ACROSS THE EMP STATS BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT MUCH OF THE THINGS 373 YOU DO TO PREVENT STATIC PROBLEMS ALSO RELATE TO EMP. THEY ARE NOT 374 QUITE THE SAME, BUT THE ASPECTS DO OVERLAP, AND MANY OF THE CURES 375 HANDLE BOTH PROBLEMS. WHEN I GOT DONE, I HAD TAKEN A MULTIPORT 376 COMMUNICATIONS COMPUTER THAT WOULD CROAK IF YOU EVEN LOOKED LIKE 377 YOU MIGHT CONSIDER ZAPPING IT, TO ONE THAT COULD WITHSTAND A DIRECT 378 HIT ON THE IO CABLES WITH SEVERAL BILLION VOLTS AND NOT EVEN HICCUP. 379 I DID LEARN QUITE A FEW THINGS IN THE PROCESS, SUCH AS 74LS273'S 380 APPARENTLY ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO RF, AND WILL CHANGE STATE IF A 381 FIELD IS NEARBY. THE CURE WAS TO USE 74LS173'S INSTEAD. I ALSO 382 FOUND THAT MOST COMPUTERS THAT HAVE STATIC PROBLEMS IS A RESULT OF 383 IMPROPER DESIGN IN THE RS232 INTERFACE. THEY TAKE THE COMMON (PIN 7) 384 AND OFTEN THE CASE GROUND (PIN 1) AND ROUTE IT THRU THE LOGIC GROUND 385 SO THAT WHEN THE STATIC DISCHARGE HITS THE RS232 CABLE IT FOLLOWS 386 THE GROUND RIGHT TO THE LOGIC AND DOES NASTY THINGS TO YOUR COMPUTER. 387 THE COMMON GROUND SHOULD BE ROUTED DIRECTLY TO THE POWER SUPPLY 388 GROUND, NOT THRU THE LOGIC GROUND. AND THE CASE GROUND SHOULD GO 389 DIRECTLY TO THE CASE, AGAIN NOT TIED TO THE LOGIC GROUND. (OR 390 HORRORS OF HORRORS, LEFT OPEN!). THIS ADDED TO INSTALLING TRANSORBS 391 ON EVERY LINE THAT GOES TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD AND DOING SOME LOGIC 392 REWIRING TO IMPROVE THE NOISE MARGINS INSIDE THE BEAST CHANGED A 393 CRIPPLE INTO A FIGHTER. 394 AS FAR AS THE DISRUPTION OF THE HAWIAN PHONE SYSTEM, IT IS POSSIBLE. 395 I DIDN'T SAY IT COULDN'T BE DISRUPTTED. WITH A STRONG ENOUGH BLAST 396 IT COULD BE, WHAT WILL NOT HAPPEN THOUGH (ASSUMING THERE IS A 397 REASONABLE AMOUNT OF PROTECTION ON THE EQUIPMENT) IS THE DESTRUCTION 398 OF THAT EQUIPMENT. THERE IS NOTHING SPEACIAL ABOUT THE EMP, IT 399 ISN'T SOME NEW AND FANCY FORCE THAT MAN HAS CREATED. IT HAS BEEN 400 AROUND SINCE THE BEGINING OF TIME. AS THE LETTERS STAND FOR, 401 IT IS AN 'ELECTROMAGNECTIC PULSE'. THE SAME PROTECTION SCHEMES 402 YOU USE TO PROTECT AGAINST EXCESSIVE RF INTERFERANCE WORKS AGAINST 403 THE EMP (WITHIN THE ABILITY OF THE PROTECTION SCHEME TO WORK OF COURSE) 404 IT IS NOTHING MORE THEN AN EXTREMLY STRONG BURST OF RF ENERGY THAT 405 IS CREATED BY THE BOMB GOING OFF. AS SUCH IT HAS THE SAME DISTANCE 406 DISAPATION EFFECTS THAT NORMAL RF HAS. 407 ********************** CISTOP MIKEY **************************** 408 409 == ---- -=--- - --== -- =-- = - - f 410 YES, I LOOKED AAT TH^E ~H EL'P FiL~E tHHINEGON@E 411 BUT I @COL DNT REEAD ITT^~ 412 | --==- ==- - = ---- -- QQ ^~ @-- = -hksq- =- 413 EXIT 414 STOOP 415 BYE 416 417 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 418 419 FROM PROMETHEUS: THE NUMBED 420 421 MAN WITHOUT PARITY; YOU HAVE THE DISTINCTION OF SPEAKING WITH ME MORE THAN ONCE AND LATER HAVING THE BELEIF I AM STUPID. RARE. 422 RARE INDEED. 423 424 MAN IN GRAY (MIG); HELLO, I WILL CONTINUE THE TALES OF WOE LATER IN TIME, WHENEVER I CAN GET ON AGAIN. 425 426 LAISSEZ-FAIRE; ABOUT THIS QUOTE UNQUOTE EVERYTHING I SAY IS LIE STUFF, IS IT? 427 428 NUCLEAR DELIBERATORS; PRECISION CAST PARTS ANS ONE OTHER IN-CITY BUSINESS MAKES PARTS FOR NUKES. 429 430 FOR THE ONE WHO SAID I BABBLED; I ALWAYS DO, DID YOU NOT NOTICE TIL THEN? 431 432 ELRIC; A HINT FROM ONE WHO KNOWS THE SUBJECT MORE THAN MOST; DO NOT WRITE YOUR GAME UNLESS YOUVE GOT SOMETHING DISTINCTIVE. 433 LET ME KNOW HOW IT GOES, EH? 434 435 PHILOSOPHER; KLIGNON PROVERB; IF YOU DON'T WANT SOMETHING HEARD; DON'T SAY IT. 436 437 PROMETHEUS HAWTHORNE SD8408.22 438 FROM THE DENTHIER... MT1952.23 439 440 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 441 **************************************** 445 TO NUKE HAPPY PEOPLE: COUULD YOU TALK ABOUT SOMTETHING MORE ENLIGHTINING LIKE THE ANATOMY OF A HODOUGG FOOD 446 451 TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERSN *************************** NEAT TRICK EH 452 453 TO ERIC I HAVE LOTS OF NUMBERS 454 COMMODORE P/PDX 602-xxxx 455 BIT BUCKET 761-xxxx 456 KGON ROCKS 657-xxxx 457 PMS PORTLAND 254-xxxx 458 PORTLAND ATARI 245-xxxx 459 THE SUNDAY TRADER 653 xxxx 460 DUNE 297-xxxx 461 WHISPERING PINES 682-xxxx 462 463 CALL 639-xxxx FOR MORE 464 AARON" "THE CRITIC" 465 EVERYONE'S A CRITIC,BUT DAAINT OUR AARON SPOUTING CONTROL CHAR EVERYWHERE,IS IT? 466 <+|+> {466} 08232300 467 *%)*@)%*@#%*@_#(%_+#(%+@#(%@_#*%_@#(%+@#(%_@*#_%@*#_+%(!+(%#*@_%*_@#*%_@#*%_@*%_*%_@*%_@#*%_@#*%_@#*%_@#*%_#@*%_@#%@#%*@_ 468 Prometheus : No...no...no... I was merely stating my opinion, not your condition. On the contrary, you seem like anything 469 but stupid. You may babble, as some call it, but at least it is interesting babble, with a light humorous touch, and not 470 the heavy handed insulting abusive stuff we see so much of lately. Everything in the past aside, if you really are 471 interested in the archives, come Saturday, and we can discuss it in an atmosphere more condusive to verbal communication. 472 Alex : Yes...I agree with voyeur. I feel like nuking something, like the plant that produces vile orange liquid, and the 473 person who put Japan so close to the edge of the board! As for stocks, so you seem to feel the current comeback, which 474 by the way seems to have trailed off a bit, is a function of the season, and not any real long lasting economic brightening. 475 (Is there a long lasting anything in the stock market.) After looking recently at a blue chip preferred list, I noticed the 476 names of a few perennials were missing. It seems that a few of our old friends the blue chip boys seem to be having some 477 problems. Some technology stock really took a dip in the recent slackening on that market. An associate at work had 300 478 shares of Tandy, purchased at 35. It climed to around 70, did a two-for-one split, back to 35 or so, climed to about 50, then 479 sank like a weighted rock to aorund it present 26 or so. He dumped most of it right after the two for one. He kept 50 or so 480 shares, and is sitting it out for now. I guess he forgot the "magic" 10 percent margin on buying price, and is keeping the 481 stuff out of love for the company(!) 482 I personally only have 20 shares of Detroit Edison Preferred. It was a gift from a grandmother I can barely remember (too 483 young). The dividends are more like a little surprise when they come. And I do get the pretty annual report. I really don't 484 have the money yet to get too involved in the stock market. I don't want to be another stock nerd and buy a few stocks 485 and say I am "playing the market". If I ever get into the market, I want to do it right. A good spread of shares. A nice 486 complete portfolio. But...there are those people who buy a few stocks on a whim, like Teledyne, at $10 per share, and... 487 the re$t i$ Hi$tory. 488 *%)#*%)*%_#@*%_@#%_@*%_@#L'homme sans parity *(%*#_*%_@#*%_*%_@#*_@*%_@%_*_#@*%_@#*%_*%_@#*%_#@*%_@#*%_*%_@#*%@#% 489 490 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 491 Mikey:don't bother, I am going downtown friday to alieviate some stupidity. 492 UNKNOWN:"migguy" has always been here, just sometimes I chose not to reply to 493 obvious taunting because I know where it leads. 494 Mikey again:The Psuedo-RS-232 I am using is direct connect with a 6803 processor 495 chip. Should rampant RF hit near here, what kind of buffering should I use? 496 When I had my 212A I had to boost the line voltage to +-12 instead of the +5/0 497 its currently at,`I used`2N2222's in the classic switch`configuration, would those 498 be enough? I took them out do to power supply getting a wee bit warm and throwing 499 .5 volt`60hz spikes after a few hours of operation. 500 Hawthorne:Still no reply on the risk game? I thought you would like a chance 501 to trounce me a few times. Oh well. 502 MiG 503 ? ? ? ?`? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 504 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 505 voyeur, 506 Ahhhh .... a few games of Risk would be just what the system needs !. 507 You pick the time and I got the spot........Riskers...Are you up for it ? 508 Is it PCS this weekend ? I may make it this time....Once preempted twice shy. 509 " We be Brown "..Funny you should ask..I have heard speculation that 510 " We be brown " is a low level greeting response of objects & insects who are 511 highly resistant to many forms of subtle persuasion, torture and environmental 512 toxicity. The phrase originated from a radical splinter group called the 513 Bronzeneeshies whose sole belief is the total superiority of the heavier 514 elements in the periodic table. Their goal to A) convert all elements to 515 an atomic weight of more than 232.038 or B) Reduce them to a weight of 516 1.00797. To that end they have been only partialy sucessfull. However 517 they have been quite lucky in the insect community, with several converts 518 of the Blattaria order. In terms of higher life forms their only notable 519 disciple has been Foster Grant. There are rumors that Leica of Germany and 520 Tamaron of Japan have shown interest. But as of yet there has been no 521 official corporate endorsement. 522 523 MiG, 524 I should have a partial list of prerequisites soon...I have spoken 525 to a few participants ( judges,referees etc. ) albeit in an oblique fashion 526 and they support both the target price & concept.........heh heh... 527 The official algorithms will soon be in my posession. Complete with 528 penalty configurations and percentages. 529 530 L'homme, 531 Sept S/F went through 43.10 yesterday but settled back ....Dec can't be 532 far behind.....Risk ! ! ! Sure ......When. 533 534 :::::::::::::::::Alex:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 535 MIKEY: If you are checking for the EMP info, please also check "Magnetic Pulse" 536 & "Magnetic Inhomogenities". It is possible to build a bomb out of an electrical 537 power source & some explosive that will create a "mag pulse" capable of scrambling any 538 disks, tapes, core, etc. AND capable of ruining electronic gear if said gear is 539 too close. (induced current flows). 540 I used to have info on a suitcase sized device that would ruin magnetic 541 storage at 100+ feet, & kill electronic gear at about 20. 542 L'homme: I now have 50 disks for the archives. Do they have to be formatted? 543 Leave reply here AND on CBBS/NW (and Bit Bucket if you log onto it!) 544 Ian 545 RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY 546 Congress: Congress is a place where someone gets up and talks for several 547 hours, and says nothing. Nobody listens, and then eeryone disagrees. Will 548 Rogers. 549 Migguy, you can install a PC board in the CPU socket. It has two switchable 550 ZIF sockets, in which you can put parallel 6809EMP's. A lead cover comes with 551 the kit. This will afford substantial protection frm nuclear explosion genrd 552 EMP's, citizens banders, and some protection if you live within six blocks 553 of Mikey. The position independant characteristics of the 6809MPE are helpful 554 as you can access data that might otherwise have ben lost. Are you the SYSOP 555 of the NERDOLUX? I can't access it. Was is los mit das Nerdoluxishboard? 556 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 557 558 FROM PROMETHEUS; THE ENAMORED 559 560 MAN WITHOUT PARITY; THANK YOU. I LIKED THE COMPLIMENTS. 561 562 MIG; UNTIL THIS "NUCLEAR RISK " IS EXPLAINED TO ME AND EXPLAINED WELL; I'M NOT GOING TO EVEN TRY TO AGRAVATE YOU WHATSOEVER. 563 564 MILCH; SHORT MESSAGE, I GUESS I BLINKED AND MISSED IT BEFORE. IS THE ONE BACK AGAIN. THE LACK OF AN ANSWER WILL BE TAKEN AS A 565 NO. 566 567 PORSFIS ATTENDEES; THIS SATURDAY AT MT1430.0 IS WHEN; MULTNOMAH CENTRAL LIBRARY BRANCH IS WHERE; IS THIS CORRECT? 568 569 USERS OF LOWER CASE; I MIGHT BE JOINING THESE HALOWED RANKS SOON PROIDING OF COURSE THAT I TAKE THE TIME TO TYPE THIS PROGRAM 570 IN. 571 572 PROMETHEUS HAWTHORNE SD8408.24 573 FROM IKV DENTHIER... MT0210.32 574 575 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 576 577 ^QWERTYUIOP@^QWERTYUIOP@^ 578 _QWERTYUIOP@_QWERTYUIOP@_ 579 580 Ian, BALONEY. Hawthorne, "Hallowed ranks"? Don't kid yourself. Just because you get lower case doesn't mean anything. 581 except that you got lower case. I used to be an upper case only semi backwater irregular, and everyone hated me. Now I have 582 lower case, and when all the Backwater regulars figre it out, they'll still hate me. Marvin. 583 <+|+> {583} 08240357 584 GEE, MARVIN; THAT'S TOO BAD. WHY WERENT THEY NICE TO YOU BEFORE? YOU BRUTES! 585 586 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;- 587 Mikey; Yes they still have the D but at the time of my departure it was on 588 it's way to the bone yard. Castle and March lost a couple of 'em before old 589 uncle Sam decided to ground them. I personaly watched one come in with only 590 three landing gear in position. Amazingly, nobody got hurt. ASN 7 huh? Last 591 time I fixed one of those was before it was due to go to a depot upgrade. 592 Teledyne-Ryan solid state doppler (Look Ma! No internal moving parts!!) and 593 nifty little Delco-Remy Carousel inertial system, and presto-chango!!: a new 594 nav system, less 500 pounds. Well my work beckons, see you later. 595 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;F Fin;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;- 596 597 >