LI FILE ON MARGIN IS 80 STATUS: ENTER ONLY NUMBER OF LINES: 593 1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask.... 2 ******************* REMOVED: 27 AUG 84 *********************************** 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************************** 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION 6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privately owned 8 and operated system whis is not currently open for use by the general public 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is 10 privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which 11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be 12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 13 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the 14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the 15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace 16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 18 ************************************************************ 19 20 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 21 From Prometheus: Overwhelmed 22 I give my thanks to everyone who has given me any advice on my writing. I greatly appreciate it, and do hope that it will 23 continue. 24 I am not offended in the least by what people have said. Since I first started using this BW I have wanted that sort of help 25 and this is time that I haven't had to pin someone down to telling me. 26 I enjoy hearing polite advice on correcting most things about myself. I need it. 27 And to CDP I apologize very sincerely, please don't hold any of it againnst me. No hard feelings? 28 Hoping to correct my spelling, grammar, and sentence structure problems; I am taking about ten hours of english studies per 29 week. Thank you for advising some goals for me to work for. 30 As I said, please continue. And if anybody cares to tell me, how am I doing as far as being mature? 31 32 Controllers; Withh the next major rewrite of my terminal program, I shall have null capabilities [read; Tonight.] 33 Why have you not entered anything for about three weeks. Mayhaps you are gone? 34 Man IGray; Care to see an extensive article on the MC68020? If so; I still frequent PCS- CBBS. 35 To Whom It May Concern; I AM AT THE TOP.Only the second time I have ever done this, and it is quite pleasant. 36 PorSFiS attendees; I got down to PC+S at about 17:30 and found; no one. Too bad. Try again in two weeks. 37 Traveller; Have you adopted another title or are you gone for good? Lack of reply will be taken as "GONE FOR GOOD" 38 39 My ravings are over, 40 My fingers are numb. 41 Prometheus Hawthorne 42 Sd8409.22 Mt2034.34 43 :::::::::::::::::::: 44 :::::::::::::::::::: 45 46 ? 47 To prometheus Hawthorn; Please note that I am interested in the City of 48 Rome..... It will be appreciated that you send a scroll with my recommend 49 to Ceasar (The Walrus) Best regards Scott Streiker 655-xxxx W.Linn 50 51 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 52 BAD:explane to me then, if violence is not the nature of man, why there is so 53 much of it around? Why, when faced with conflict, does the avarage teenager 54 fight rather then reason? And the most important question, how do I hook up 55 my new DAA to my modem? 56 Aaron:Oh my, I went over to Davids, and it is gone. No furnature at all, no sign 57 of inhabitants, nothing at all. What is his mothers phone number? I *NEED* to 58 get ahold of him!! 59 Prometheus:I already have all the motorola docs on the '020, I don't need more. 60 Thanks anyhay, I may show up at MLC on monday, depends on how I feel about life. 61 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/MiG/? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 62 @*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@ 63 64 Prometheus- 65 Thank you. 66 67 MiG- 68 69 I don't believe that a person can judge human nature by only pointing to 70 a specific person or group of people. Your example of the average teenager 71 could easily be countered with 'lack of experiential data on how to deal with 72 conflict situations', or 'inability to negotiate due to lack of maturity' or 73 some other drivel equally debatable. 74 My view is split. On a biological level, I believe that we pretty much 75 have the same flight-or-fight patterns that you see in all the higher primates. 76 When you go into areas of sociology or psychology for the answer, the path 77 becomes more intune with philosophy or religion. There is no quantitative test 78 for 'good' or 'evil'. A person's sense of these factors is social. In our 79 culture cannabalism is strictly taboo. In some South American cultures the 80 dead are honored by having bones their ground-up and made into soup! Which 81 of these exemplifies the good side of human and which the bad? Well both and 82 neither. The South American would probably quite amazed that we do not 'honor' 83 our dead, but I doubt that I would serve up my grandmother for Sunday brunch. 84 I think that a person's view of the 'goodness' or 'badness' of human nature 85 depends more on the individual's outlook on life more than anything. I haven't 86 meet any optimistic people that feel that other people are inherently bad, but 87 I have met a lot of people the think the life is a bitch, and that everyone 88 else are real bastards. I like to count myself in the first group. Granted, 89 there are alot of problems to deal with, and a alot of things that just plain 90 piss me off. But, these are not, I believe, inbred flaws in human nature. 91 They are mostly transitory in nature and will, with time, be reconciled (of 92 course to be replaced by problems we can't even imagine yet). 93 94 CDP 95 96 @*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@ 97 Well, maybe I won't have nulls tonight after all, hmm, okay, does this work? 98 No, I am going to rot in a corner with my computer for a while and thuroughly 99 discuss it's problems and mine. 100 101 102 I am TimeMaster. This is my first entry, but I think this is the best system I 103 have seen so far. I will return, with my past, present, and future intact. 104 ^<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< TimeMaster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 105 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 106 L'homme - losing two out of three feels about 2/3s as bad as losing all. 107 Why don't you tell us how THAT feels? 108 Regarding the chips, the only place I've been informed of availability is 109 Portland Radio downtown and Norvac in Beaverton. I don't want to go clear 110 out to Beaverton, but downtown is almost as bad. If I can't come up with some 111 place better (read that closer to Milwaukie), I'll probably end up going 112 downtown. Sure wish Radio Shack still carried IC's. 113 ?? 114 Given the current topic of discussion here lately (the fine art of writing 115 {including grammar and spelling}), I wouldn't be surprised to see 116 SPELL ALERT rear his/her ugly head again. It somehow seems apropo. 117 ?? 118 Prometheus - you've committed yourself now. As long as you didn't ask for 119 advice, you could make what mistakes you wanted and if anyone complained, 120 claim ignorance. Now, however, you are on record as having asked for and 121 received advice. If you screw up now, it's ALL YOUR FAULT. 122 On the other hand, if you properly apply the suggestions, your writing will 123 come out quite well, and I think you will probably qualify for "most improved" 124 (comparing that with your early entries here on Back Water). 125 ??????????????????????????? QUIZMASTER ????????????????????????????????? 126 @*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@**@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@ 127 Quizmaster- 128 I don't know what chips your looking for, but I would suggest you 129 call Hamilton-Avnet. They do a very brisk business in problem chips and 130 I've never had a problem getting anything from them non-prepaid. Try'em 131 they're very friendly. 132 133 CDP 134 135 @**@*@***@*@*@**@**@*@**@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@**@**@*@*@*@*@*@*@**@@**@*@*@*@*@*@ 136 ^"^"^""^"^"^"^""^"^"^"^"^""^"^"^""^"^"^"^"^"^"^" 137 CDP: I suppode that you will enter a message right after this one because 138 you call this board up so many times a day. What do you do, just keep 139 calling and when you get in write a message if yours isn't the last one 140 there? That's being really considerate for other people. 141 ^"^"^"^"^"^"^"^"^"^"^"^"^"^"^"^"^"^"^"^"^"^""^"^" 142 143 144 I thought that I left a message here before but I must have been mistaken 145 as I can not find it the very next day. Could I be using this great BBS 146 incorrectly? When I am in the ENTER mode does not my scribblings become as one 147 with the system? Am I but scratching syphers upon my monitor screen for no 148 real purpose other than to see my inner ego being written in front of myself? 149 Please someone, let me know for I do not wish to ramble. 150 Sam Pendergrass 151 ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 152 Pendergrass - what you entered has probably been rotated to drive B. 153 Type DB and you can look for it there. 154 CDP - I'm looking for TTL like 74LS153 and 74LS166. Since those are the only 155 two I need right now, it hardly seems practical to mail-order them. I'd like 156 to find some place local, and save the mail-order for when the cost of the 157 chips is greater than the shipping/handling. 158 Any local options? 159 ???????????????????????? QUIZMASTER ???????????????????????????????????? 160 hellop 161 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 162 Well, the old milch cow has replicowed. The new arrival is somewhat unsteady 163 on his feet and still hasn't figured out which end has the spigot on it, but 164 the poor little critter has packed a lifetime into just a few hours. The new 165 little bull calf needs a name ... my 4-year old is holding out for "Cow Meat" 166 with occasional giggles. I was thinking of "Tenderloin". (I've used up 167 T-Bone and Sirloin) Any suggestions? 168 Oh dread! then the fun job of converting little bull calf to steer calf. Ugh! 169 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 170 ************************************************************** 171 QUIZMASTER: RADAR ELECTRIC ALSO CARRIES IC'S (SE 7TH & WASHINGTON) 172 THEY ARE ONLY OPEN DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS THOUGH. NOT MILWAUKIE, 173 BUT I DOUBT YOU'LL FIND ANYTHING OTHER THEN RS NEAR MILWAUKIE. 174 PIPER: I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT WAS A DIRTY TRICK TO PLAY ON A POOR UNSUSPECTING 175 CALF. JUST THINK IT COULD BE YOU. (SHUDDER) 176 ************************** CISTOP MIKEY ********************************* 177 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 178 To Sam Pendergrass, 179 Your message still exists. At the ">" prompt, type DB. That will get you 180 to disk B. Your message starts at line 170, so type LN 170 to direct the point- 181 er to that line, then type PRINT to read your message and everything that 182 follows. 183 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 184 *%@_#)*%@_#)*%@#)_*%!)_#*%!+#*%_#*%@_*%!@_*%@+#_*%_@#*%_@)#*%_+@#*%_@*%_@#%*@# 185 QuizMaster : I look at it with a philosophical eye. What is victory? Can it 186 merely be equated with some abusrd quantum such as number of pie pieces? Can 187 you say with any conviction that to win is everything, ergo losing is nothing? 188 I think not, and in my current frame of mind, bending far from that needed to 189 extract small facts from deep within my memory, winning and losing seem to 190 meld into one ambigious thought. The current state of affairs point to a far 191 more important activity. While winning and losing have lost some of their 192 luster, playing has grown in importance. I submit a small rewrite of the old 193 cliche': "It's not whether you win or lose, it's IF you play the game." 194 Before you spend your hard-earned dollars on TTL, try to get ahold of me. I 195 may be able to save you some effort, as well as some money. Hopefully, if 196 other things go right, we can talk in person. Is that is not to be, then I 197 guess secondary communications via the telephone will have to suffice. Also, 198 recent events have clouded the picture on certain computer related social 199 events. Perhaps you can return to the days of old, and give me a little well- 200 meaning advice. Right now, I know where my priorities stand, but I would hate 201 to forfiet possible contacts due to some other unforseen possibilities. 202 )%*@_#)%*@)_%*@_#)%*@#)_% L'homme sans parity $*#_@*@_)#*%@_#)*%@_%+%!*%_)#*% 203 ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 204 L'homme - that was so ambiguous you even lost me. 205 Mikey - Radar no longer carries such items. I was there a couple of weeks 206 ago looking for 74LS02, 20, and 373. They only had the 02, which they Gave 207 to me since they were clearing them out. I hate to drive to Beaverton since 208 my car is unreliable, gets 13 mpg, and is so loud it often attracts unwanted 209 attention (and I can't afford any more trouble with the cops/DMV). 210 ?????????????????????????????? QUIZMASTER ?????????????????????????????? 211 @*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@@*@ 212 Quizmaster- 213 Hamilton-Avnet has a location in Lake Oswego. Their number is 214 635-xxxx. Also, have you tried NORVAC in Beaverton? They are also very 215 helpful. 216 CDP 217 @*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@@@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@* 218 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 219 Quizmaster:I will look and see if I have the LSXXX you need, if not... there are 220 other ways to get them without going to the actual point of buying them(uhg!) 221 CDP:My original point was that violence is the normal way that most people 222 respond to any given situation. The term "most people" will certainly get me in 223 trouble here, because BW goers are NOT at all normal. Case in point, I was 224 driving home last night at about 4A.M. from downtown portland and found a lady 225 and her kid stranded on the side of the road, this was on I84, so it was kind of 226 hard to stop and go back. I had every intention of doing so when I saw what 227 appeared to be the cars driver walking along the side of the road with a gas can 228 . This time I was able to stop and gave her a ride back to the car, helped her 229 fix her car and get running again. All fine and dandy fut when I left I saw her 230 get out and start pounding on the hood and yell what I am sure were not nice 231 things. Why did she do this? why not get going and look upon it as a learning 232 experience to keep her car in shape? Violence is human nature. Some of us can 233 rise above it most of the time, but it is still human nature. This applies to 234 everyone. 235 I think that she was qualified as "most people". 236 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/MiG/? ? ? ? ? ?/ 237 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 238 239 Vacation.......again TOO short.....TOO much driving.....and TOO much money 240 Did someone mention RISK ?? ...ahem...I would be all too glad to enter the 241 fray...Quizmaster..Norvac is justa a block or so away I will check with them 242 in the morning....Hawthorn...much better....L'homme have you read Brin's 243 The Practice Effect ?.....MiG..How goes the war? I'll call Monday afternoon 244 245 Now .....to relax the eyes.....where did I put the last bottle of the 246 " Vile Amber Liquid ".....14 hours on the road seems to have dulled my 247 memory...... 248 :::::::::::::::::Alex::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 249 250 "Vile Amber Liquid"? The only thing that I can think of that fits *THAT* 251 description is Lucky Lager. When I was in high school, a bunch of us got ahold 252 of a case. It was was compared (detrimentally!) to carbonated horse p----! 253 ________________________________________________________________________________ 254 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 255 A 'milch' cow? Gasp, shudder! Not one of mine!!!!!! 256 ++++++++++++++++ Milchar +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 257 Cute, 258 Clever, 259 Mischeivious, 260 KREMLINS! 261 262 Never give them Vodka after midnight or they'll get rowdy in your home and try 263 to invade! 264 Just thought I'd warn you. Signed, Prometheus 265 (If my nulls test *HAD* to fail it might at least be a creative failure.) 266 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^ 267 Prometheus - Sorry, I didn't see any pauses. (Does that mean no nulls ?) 268 269 CDP - I feel that (wo)man's basic instinct is toward violence and tearing 270 down, but that man has an intellectual and a spiritual nature that 271 precludes him from always acting in that fashion. That nature is 272 what gives us the great lasting things in human history. 273 274 Alex - We are getting a sequential risk game up, do you want to play ? 275 276 L'homme - I think that the organized hecklers are a detriment to the Reagan 277 campaign, and the campaign personnel responsible should be rep- 278 rimanded. 279 On a related subject, I must compliment Mr. Mondale on his stand 280 regarding the newest Beirut bombing. It takes great strength of 281 character to miss such a plum. (I noticed that Tip did not have 282 any strength of character.) 283 284 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$ Laissez-faire $^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^ 285 286 FERN UNIT CONT............................................................... 287 THE CAVE OF ANSWERES WAS LIT UP WITH A DULL BLUE LIGHT THAT FILTERED 288 ENERGY INTO THE DARKEST CORNERS. I COULD SEE MANY EYES STARING AT ME FROM 289 THE BACK OF THE CAVE AND I KNEW THEY BELONGED TO THE CHILDREN OF TRUTH. 290 I CALLED OUT, "YES, IT IS ME, DON'T BE FRIGHTENED LITTLE ONES". I COULD 291 ONLY ANSWER IN THE CAVE OF ANSWERES. SUDSENLY, IWAS SURROUNDED BY THE 292 WERE WONDERFULL, AND I FELT A WIND OF HAPPINESS GO THROUGH ME AS I 293 WATCHED THEM JUMP UP AND DOWN IN EXCITEMENT. THEY LOOKED LIKE WAVES 294 ON AN OCEAN BED, MOVING TO THE RHYTHM OF THEIR LITTLE BIRD HEARTS. 295 THEY HAD SO MANY ANSWERES TO TELL ME THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO 296 BEGIN. 297 298 I ANSWERED, "YES, I DO NOT KNOW WHERE THE UNCERTAIN STRANGER IS.". 299 ONE BLUE CHILD WHO ONLY LOOKED FOUR ANSWERES THE TRUTH. "YES, THE 300 UNCERTAIN STRANGER IS VERY NEAR AND YOU WILL HAVE AN ENCOUNTER WITH 301 HER SOON. HER??? COULD THE UNCERTAIN STRANGER BE A FEMALE TYPE????? 302 I WAS NOT EXPECTING THIS AT ALL. I FELT AN UNFAMILIAR URGE REACH OUT 303 FROM MY BODY. I HAD ONCE WATCHED THE RIVER OF DREAMS DREAM OF A WOMAN 304 AND IT WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE DREAMS. I HAD KEPT THE DREAM LOCKED IN 305 MY HEART FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. COULD THIS UNCERTAIN STRANGER HAVE THE 306 KEY? 307 308 MY MIND WAS IN DISC DRIVE WHEN A CHILD OF BLUE CALLED OUT. "YES, YOU WILL 309 FIND THE UNCERTAIN STRANGER TONIGHT IN THE DEPTHS OF THE BLUE CANYONS." 310 MY HEART GAVE OUT A LITTLE SKIP AND I REPLIED, "YES, I AM MORE THAN 311 GRATEFULL FOR YOUR HONEST AND TRUE HELP". THE CHILDREN WERE NOW BOBBING 312 LIKE APPLES WITH EXCITEMENT AND I KNEW I WOULD HAVE TO RETURN TO THE CAVE 313 OF ANSWERES SOON FOR THE CHILDREN WERE TRUELY WONDERFULL CREATURES. THEY 314 ESCORTED ME TO THE CAVE ENTRANCE AND I COULD SEE THEIR SILKY BLUE ARMS 315 WAVING AT ME AS I HEADED TOWARDS THE BLUE CANYONS.*&&&**********%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 316 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~SU-SUN~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 317 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM 318 319 LAISSEZ-FAIRE; PLEASE SAY MORE ABOUT YOUR REASONING BEHIND THE 320 STATEMENT YOU MADE ABOUT MALES HAVING MADE THE ONLY LASTING 321 MARKERS IN CIVILIZATION. 322 i DISAGREE BUT I ALSO DONT KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT YOUR 323 REASONING TO DEBATE IT WITH YOU. 324 sINCERELY, 325 mISTRESS 326 327 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM 328 ::::::::::::24sept84::::::O O::::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::00:46:::::::::::::: 329 L'homme: (msg #3). It's 340 now. Where are the last 10? 330 It's amazing (and frustrating) to discover all the alternate methods which 331 would have made things so much easier if only known. 332 Alex: Petrov is now down at OSU studying physics. When he comes up for break, 333 better not have him over for a nuclear Risk game - he may play for real. Especially 334 after the way he was abused last time. 335 V *A* L? Has it's influence spread so far? What hath L'homme wrought? 336 :::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::::::voyeur:::::::::::::O O::::::::::::::::: 337 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 338 Milchar -- I would not claim relationship with Lassie (the 4-footed bovine, 339 not my choice of names) although she is a very nice cow-person. Now that the 340 new arrival has dried off, I find that being a surgeon is not necessary ths 341 time round. What I thought at first glance was a baby bull's equipment was 342 a knot of fur. Now that the waterworks are working, that misconception has 343 been alleviated. My daughter has officially announced that the name of the 344 calf will be Sweetmeat. I must choose what the calf's destiny will be -- 345 do I need another milk animal or to fill the freezer? Enough -- I just thought 346 you might all enjoy a glimpse into another reality that I sometimes inhabit. 347 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 348 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 349 Mig 350 I could point to hundreds of cases where the individual didn't 351 get violent because their car broke. Upset yes, but not violent. 352 Your argument reminds me of the typical religous argument. If you 353 look around long enough, you can find any kind of example you want. 354 But that hardly makes it the norm. There is a difference between 355 anger and violence. It is normal to get angry when things don't go 356 right. But I woud disagree with you that violence is the normal 357 outcome. 358 Lazza-fair 359 I also disagree with you that man is a destructive creature 360 If that were true, he would never have gotten to where he is 361 today. Instead he would still be attacking each other with rocks 362 and bones. destruction is not a positive instinct. Man has shown 363 thruout his history his desire to dominate, not destroy. There's 364 a big difference. In the case of wars, detruction does happen, but 365 it is not as a result of wanton desire to destroy, but simply as 366 a side result of the main goal of dominating the enemy. And in 367 fact the destruction is is carefully chosen to achieve that goal, 368 not to just do it at random. 369 Joe 370 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 371 DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB 372 TODAYS WEATHER: 373 MOSTLY CLEAR EXCEPT FOR MORNING FOG (AUGHT TO BE GOOD FOR NEXT BANANA CROP) 374 TODAYS WEATHER IS NOW BEING X-MITTED FROM MY NEW FACILITY IN ORE. 375 TOMORROWS WEATHER IS NOTHING TO GO APE OVER, JUST MORE DRIZZLE. 376 R.R. MONKEY 377 ORE. PRIMATE CENTER 378 DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB 379 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-; 380 Geeez! I've been gone and missed some great hoopla it would appear. Sorry 381 i took so long on the line but I've no drive. SIGH! CDP - If it seems I've 382 singled you out or some such, that is not the case. I just got up on my soap 383 box and got carried away. One of the raesons I usually avoid religous and 384 politcal debates. My apologies to one and all for any slights you may have 385 felt were flung your way. Well, work reality beckons (practicly tugging at 386 my sleeve!) so I must go. 387 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;- Fin 388 HELLO FELLERS: 389 390 This is 'The Phantom' speaking. I am new to this system, but so far 391 it seems to be a nice one. (No multiple menus, no complex commands, 392 everything is kept simple.) I'd like to hear from all you Apple hackers 393 who know of an Apple user group in the Beaverton area. Also, does anyone 394 know what the #$^% happened to the Bit Bucket?? I can never get thru 395 to it. Perhaps the line is just busy, but I call during the most unusual 396 hours. Help me! I'm also interested in finding a few new boards to call. 397 The ones I have contacted are listed below: 398 399 CBBS/NW 646-xxxx 400 Oops.. Lemme repeat that... 401 402 CBBS/NW 646-xxxx or 284-xxxx 403 COMMODORE/PDX 620-xxxx 404 ELECTRIC ARK 286-xxxx 405 NW/RBBS-PC 233-xxxx 406 PC-RBBS WASH. CO. 629-xxxx 407 PMS-PORTLAND 245-xxxx 408 WHISPERING PINES 682-xxxx 409 410 Leave a message to 'The Phantom' if you'd like to get in contact with me. 411 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 412 hi my name is pPaul Beaker from West Coast Hackrers Assn. 413 We are a non proorganization interested in public domain softwear 414 if you have any fcommodore softwear for sell or otherwize. 415 the fun 416 call 282-xxxx and ask for paul 417 o 418 off 419 *@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@ 420 MiG & Laiz - 421 If you are going to aurgue predeterminizime be careful. You are on 422 the same shaky ground that most organized religion has been for the last 423 2 thousand years ( original sin and all that rot ). 424 If your going to aurgue a biological I suggest you roll out the 425 names of some geneticists that have shown where the genes are that cause 426 this phenomenon. 427 428 FIN- 429 No offence taken. 430 CDP 431 @*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@ 432 Attention! 433 Due to an error during start-up of the new data storage and retrieval 434 unit, we have lost portions of our phone list. So far the only numbers KNOWN 435 to be lost are: 436 Voyuer 437 Quizmaster 438 Milchar 439 Lysias 440 441 thank you 442 Ian MacHinery 443 RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY 444 *#@_*%@#_)*%_#*%@_#*%@+#%+@%@*%)_@*%_)@*%#$*^+#$*^_#$^_)*#^_^#_)^&*!_#)*^_!#*^! 445 QuizMaster : 340! Wow! You must have done some real work after I gave you all 446 of those hints. B.T., R.G., K.B. etc., eat your collective twit hearts out! 447 I talked to Gage today, and thanked him again for his hosting of the great 448 T.P. fest. 449 I talked to our favorite advice person today, and she had quite a bit to say. 450 I have some interesting news for you, which I should tell you thru alternate 451 means. 452 Laz: Yes...Mondale I must admit was quite decent about the Beruit attack. His 453 "President Reagan speaks for ALL Americans..." was a refreshing change from 454 the normal political "campain" rhetoric. 455 Alex : Welcome back! What is this talk about Vile Amber Liquid? Research has 456 shown that the orange color and its peculiar molecualar reactions with 457 irridated reagents and UV light cause many of the side effects known to 458 occur quickly after human ingestion of VOL. How was your vacation? 459 Ian : What's this? Has our exhaulted NET leader made a comeback? As you well 460 know, several of your operatives are in mothballs in Rajneesh, waiting for 461 the resurrection of the famous Rajneesh Dangerfield story line. In light of 462 recent events in our own humble little state, perhaps it is time to check 463 in with our patient agents and the goings-on in southern Oregon? 464 All : Just some observations on my first day back at school after a 4 month 465 vacation after three straight years sans vacation: 466 467 Those poor freshmen. You can spot them a mile away. They are the ones 468 carrying three bags full of books. They are the ones who can't open their 469 lockers, and they are the ones who stand up with a blank look on their face 470 halfway through a lecture on applied linear algebra, and say to all, "Isn't 471 this writing 121?" 472 473 The wavos and trendies. You can spot them 1/4 mile away. They are the 474 ones who are wearing the current MTV fashions. They are the ones who's gender 475 is sometimes not determinable at first glance. They are the ones who always 476 seem to have the sea of students part for them as they walk like Moses from 477 one class to another. 478 479 The jocks. You had better spot them ASAP. They are the ones who's necks 480 seems to start at the hair line and continue downward. They are the ones who 481 never seem to quite get into the groove as far as scholastic achievement goes. 482 They are the ones who sound like semi-brain damaged cannary workers when 483 intelligent conversation is foolishy attempted. And they are the ones who 484 maybe perhaps if the gods are willing will earn the football team a .500 485 record this year. 486 487 The EE students. You don't have to worry about spotting them in 488 advance, they are all over the place anyway. They are the ones who carry 489 briefcases with PeeChees inside. They are the ones who own 40% of all HP41C?s 490 ever built. They are the ones who are enthralled by running canned FORTRAN 491 programs on the HoneyWell. And they are the ones who are slowly taking over 492 that last bastion of hi-tek in downtown Portland, the PCAT building, better 493 known as the Portland Center for Advanced Technology, of which IBM stole the 494 last two initials for use on their newest PC. 495 496 The seniors. Ah yes, the seniors. I better do some more research 497 into this one. I wouldn't want to make any brash stereotypical statements 498 without first giving everything some real thought now, would I? 499 500 _)*%$_)*#_^*#$_)*@_)^*#$_)^*#_)^* L'homme sans parity )%*_)*%@#_)%*@#_)%*@#_%@#_ 501 502 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 503 L'Homme -- Lockers? You said lockers? My god, the last time I had to 504 deal with a locker was in high school -- more years ago than I want to re- 505 member. Pray tell, is the center of learning to which you are returning 506 one monolithic structure, a number of closely related buildings, or what? 507 General observation -- hey is there anyone who can make a case for Original 508 Sin? At one time there were several vociferous Christians stopping at the 509 Inn, but since the religious debates have died down, I lost track of who is 510 practicing this particular religion. As far as I know, this concept is unique 511 to Christianaty -- you are dammned from birth due to inhereted transgressions 512 -- sins that you did not commit, but are nontheless responsible for. As far 513 as I know, most other religions let you at least do something before dammning 514 you for it. Christians -- any comments? Other religions -- any replys? 515 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 516 517 L'Homme---Ah, youth! Would that I were once again treading the halls of 518 learning. Once again, you have let slip your identity, and revealed your 519 magnificent disinclination to tolerance and forebearance. There, but for 520 the grace of God, went yourself once! 521 522 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;- 523 ORIGINAL SIN? HMMMMMM, IT'S RELIGION SO I THINK I'LL JUST SAY THIS: WHO'S 524 IDEA WAS IT THAT A SIN WAS COMMITED? AFTER ALL, WE COULD SAY THAT EVE WAS A 525 VICTIM OF COERCION AND THAT ADAM WAS AN UNWITTING ACCOMPLICE. THAT'S IF WE 526 USE THE "MODERN" ERA CONTEXT. IN THOSE DAYS, SIN WAS SIN! YOU DID IT! NOW 527 PAY PENNANCE! AND WE ARE STILL CHASING THE SAME TAIL. PEOPLE STILL TRY TO 528 TELL OTHERS THAT THEIR WAY IS THE ONLY ONE AND WE WILL ALL BE BURNING IN 529 HELL FOR NOT BEING OF THE PROPER FAITH AND ETC, ETC, ETC.... I PREFER TO 530 LET EACH HUMAN BEING DO AS HE PLEASES SO LONG AS IT DOES NOT GO AGAINST 531 THE ACCEPTED TENETS OF SOCIETY AS WE NOW KNOW IT. IF WE KEEP UP THIS LITTLE 532 CHARADE LONG ENOUGH WE BURN THIS LITTLE DUSTBALL CALLED EARTH UP TO A CHAR 533 AND THEN WHERE WILL WE BE? 534 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;FIN 535 DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB 536 TODAYS WEATHER: 537 TODAYS WEATHER WILL CONSIST OF H2O IN GASEOUS STATE ALONG WITH HYDROGEN AND 538 OXYGEN, NITROGEN, HELIEM, ARGON< AND CARBON MOLECULES ATTATCHED TO ONE OR 539 TWO OXEGEN ATOMS WITH OTHER TRACE ELEMENTS. THE OBOVE ELEMENTS WILLL BE 540 ELECTRO-MAGNETICALLY FLUCTUATED AT FREQUENCIES RANGING FR_M 1HERTZ TO 541 TO SEVERAL MILLION HERTZ DEPENDING ON THE FILTERATI_N OF THE SUNS RAYS 542 AND A WIDE NUMBER OF SOUNDS CREATED BYANIMAL LIFE AND MACHINES 543 IE., FAIR THROUGH TOMORROW 544 SINCERELY 545 MR. SCIENCE 546 (MR. SCIENCE KNOWS EVERYTHING, HE KNOWS MORE TXAN YOU OR I. 547 HE'S REALLY SMART. 548 DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB 549 550 What is SIN? Almost anything you can come up with is merely a transgression 551 against mankind's laws. The only tue sin is that which infringes upon or 552 hurts another member of the cosmos. 553 There may be things we do that are in conflict with the rules of decency, 554 or propriety, but the only SIN we commit is that which causes hurt. 555 556 Humbly, 557 Frogman 558 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;- 559 ABOVE- IF SUCH IS THE CASE, THEN WHY IS YOUR STATEMENT SO CONFLICTING? WHAT 560 ARE THE "RULES" OF DECENCY AND PROPRIETY? DRAWING THE LINE AT HURTING ANOTHER 561 MEMBER OF THE COSMOS IS ALL FINE AND WELL, BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE "DECENT" 562 THING ISN'T DONE? WHO PAYS THE PRICE FOR ANOTHERS LACK OF CONCERN OF WHAT 563 BELONGS TO WHOM? SOME WOULD SAY IT' THE DEED THAT COUNTS NOT THE THOUGHT, 564 AND OTHERS WOULD HAVE US BELIEVE THAT IT' THE THOUGHT TAHT COUNTS, NOT THE 565 DEED. OR TO PUT IT MORE CONCISELY: WHICH CAME FIRST, THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG? 566 THERE ARE ANY NUMBER OF WAYS A PERSON CAN BE HURT. EMOTIONALLY, MENTALY, 567 PHYSICALY JUST NAME THE KEY ONES. GOTTA GO! REALITY BECKONS. 568 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-FIN 569 PS- YOU FORGOT TO "SAFE" THE SYSTEM! 570 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 571 L'homme - it looks like there is a Risk game in the works. Alex has 572 picked up those IC's I needed, so a perfectly good excuse exists for another 573 game. And, the sooner I get those chips, the sooner I get my graphics 574 characters (and cursor) back again. (not to mention getting to put 575 my computer back together - right now it looks as if I was living out 576 near MHCC). Perhaps you can get SOMEONE interested in taking Petrov's place? 577 (heh heh...a new ewe to the slaughter....) 578 Riskers - how's Friday look? We can all ooooh and aaaw over L'hommes new wheels. 579 Hmmm...if it were not for mans inherently violent nature, games such as 580 Risk and Sudden Death's Survival Game would not exist. Civilization has 581 caused us to repress those urges, which we sublimate through the games. 582 ....a passing thought. 583 ?????????????????????????? QUIZMASTER ?????????????????????????????????? 584 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 585 SIN WAS CHARACTORIZED THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO IN TERMS EASILY UNDERSTOOD 586 WHY NOT UPDATE YOUR INTELLECT & WISDOM BY ABOUT 2000 YEARS BY READING 587 MATHEW, MARK, LUKE, OR JOHN. 588 JUST A CHILD. 589 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 590 picked up those IC's I needed, so a perfectly good excuse exists for another 591 game. And, the sooner I get those chips, the sooner I get my graphics 592 characters (and cursor) back again. (not to mention getting to put 593 RE1 >