NUMBER OF LINES: 981 001=Usr:0 Null User 06/30/87 20:34 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19 1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask... 2$************************* 07 JUN 91 ************************************** 3$Welcome to BWMS II (BackWater Message System II) Mike Day System operator 4$************************************************************************** 5$GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS II IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION 6$ PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM. 7$BWMS II was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS II is a privately 8$owned and operated system which is currently open for use by the general 9$public. No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the 10$system is privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all 11$messages which I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the 12$system, it will be periodically purged of messages (only 999 lines of data 13$can be saved). To leave a message, type 'ENTER'. Use ctrl/C to get out 14$the ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering 15$the message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to 16$replace the line. To exit from the system, type 'BYE' then hang up. 17$Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 18$************************************************************************** 19$ 002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 06/07/91 00:28 Msg:6172 Call:35422 Lines:3 20 When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, 21 however improbable, must be the truth. -- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 22 ***************************************************************** 003=Usr:267 phoenix polymorp 06/07/91 05:35 Msg:6173 Call:35425 Lines:6 23 WORLD WATHC THREE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wwiii 24 Yowza! At the top! er, what do I do now? Well, I guess a big hello to all 25 fully evolved life forms out there, and to all the semi-evolved the secret is 26 to keep banging those rocks together... 27 Phoenix just ramb'lin on... 28 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>POP! 004=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/07/91 09:12 Msg:6175 Call:35429 Lines:26 29 &*&*&*&*'s 30 Personally I'm a wee bit tired of seeing the research and evaluation department 31@getting put down here all the time. Reminds me to much of the old story about 32@the fate off all messangers of bad news. Evaluation exists as a method 33@independent of both curiculam and teachers 34 35 put down all the time here. Yes, we do have a good deal of computing resources 36 , but we got them by being very frugal in our purchasing. As I said on the 37 last disk, we stopped buying IBM as soon as there was an alternative (And I 38 might add that it took some work to get this approved.) These clones were 39 of better quality, and as much as 1/3 the price of actuall IBM's. This 40 practice of maximizing our resources with the funds alloted. We use almost 41 all of the power we have. We have 4 near secretaries(They do many different 42 things, only two qualify as normal secretaries.) in a department of around 43 25 people. That ain't a high ration. We can do this because we make good 44 use of our resources. 45 46 It is very annoying to be constantly flamed when you know you are working 47 your a*s off, doing your best to get the best value for the dollar, and t 48 o make all the work you do meaningfull and usefull to the district as a 49 whole. I've been working with these people for going on three years now, 50 and it really hurts to see them put down all the time. 51 52 An Astral Dreamer 53 &*&*&*&*'s 54 005=Usr:549 alan kennedy 06/08/91 19:47 Msg:6176 Call:35449 Lines:4 55 Oh Black water!! The Doobies were great! Anybody else see the show? 56 Just wonderin' 57 HAVE A NICE DAY 58 THE GRIZZLY 006=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 06/09/91 12:54 Msg:6177 Call:35468 Lines:10 59 *$()!#$_)*$_)*(_)#((%$#%*_)*$@#_$*#%)*_)$(!@$()@#)%*#@%^&*_)$*!_)(!_)(#~_)#(!@$ 60 I must agree with A.D. I have seen many departments where the computer power 61 went to waste. Not in the Research and Evaluation Department. They had so 62 much knowledge about computers they re-wrote the school district book on 63 what could and couldn't be purchased. Pity poor DP when the knowledge 64 base started moving up a couple floors! You can complain about ineffective 65 use of computers in the district all you want, but you can't say it about 66 the eval dept and be taken seriously. 67 *_)@#*_)@#_%*@#%*_)!(#_)*%%* L'homme sans Parity *%_)!%_)*(_)*%@_#&%_)%*!@_%)*@ 68 007=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/11/91 07:29 Msg:6180 Call:35502 Lines:13 69 &*&*&*&*'s 70 Well, at first I was dissaponted with the end of TP. Then I realized 71 something. The ending we saw was the ending they filmed in case the 72 show got cancelled. If the show continues in one form or another, I 73 suspect we will find that the last five minutes or so were all a dream 74 sequence. I sure hope so anyway. 75 76 Great episode(s) otherwise. Well, except for that little bomb bit. 77 Wonder if anybody survived? 78 79 An Astral Dremer 80 &*&*&*&*'s 81 008=Usr:267 phoenix polymorp 06/11/91 17:00 Msg:6181 Call:35510 Lines:18 82 From the Beuro of Nosey Questions, World Watch Three>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wwiii 83 Hello, Phoenix here. I just used the US command to see if any of my old aliass 84 still exsisted. I found it interesting to see howmany people log on once, then 85 never again. Another interesting point is that the records go back to the mid 86 80's. In this search I ran across names of useres past. People in this elec- 87 tronic community that are with us no more. One name ran across the screen that 88 stuck out (probably 'cos it was all caps...), that of one Brittania Scarbrough. 89 . 90 I found it interesting, as I was reminded of her recently on another board. 91 Some one mentioned my REAL name, this person said this in a post to someone nam 92 ed Justin. So, could anyone tell me what Brit and Justin are up to these days 93 and are they in the area? 94 . 95 One final bit (byte?); If you read this, why don't you drop a line saying how 96 long you've been staying at the Inn. My first visit was eons ago, 84 or 85 i 97 think. I've been off and on ever since (more off than on, I'm afraid). Whenev 98 er I can get to a modem, this is the first place I stop. All4now. Phoenix. 99 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>POP! 009=Usr:322 Stray Cat 06/12/91 15:21 Msg:6182 Call:35526 Lines:39 100 101 =#|^<....=#|^<.... The University According to Dor0thy or Alice, Whichever 102 103 ... even though I've been impressed by a certain local dignitary's red 104 herring public identity crisis ... and our president lead-poisoned shrill 105 whining, I don't kid myself the same would divert the "Monster Boy" Mafia 106 (or networked Athenahood emulating it) or they they would be smitted by 107 my "Postively Grubstreet" expatiation sniped from loopholds of hastily 108 constructed breastworks, and 109 110 ... even though I repeadly apologize for acting the moonstruck quack, I 111 still consider overdramatic hydragogues/hemostats a justifiable counter- 112 balance to the mystifying Lojik tradionally wielded to invalidate and 113 habituate the masses and obscure the layers of possibility/probability 114 underlying superficial so-called "reality" ... even if the treatments are 115 still oversimplifications -- "dawdling over those '10%' trifles" might 116 be the typically prim putoff (especially directed at women) 117 118 ... but because it has been publicly asserted that endemic cause and 119 effect cannot be divined in a vaccuum, I thought it perfectly rational 120 to point out that askig the public to do the same, especially when judg- 121 ments tend to coincide with predetermined projections, seemed an 122 ineffective extension of the same process. 123 124 ... and unless there continues to be insistence on a deep penetration 125 of the reasoning of cannibalistic fasces-bearing officials operating 126 behind facades of superficial scruples and delineatio made between them 127 and those perhaps more "eucharistically" inclined, we will continue to 128 produce little more than habitually helpless invalids in hawk to their 129 eyeballs to countless AMA scams and other combinations of carburized 130 criminals/industrialists/politicians, and perfect pawns for both. 131 132 @#;} ....@#;} ... Still trying to figure out who the #@#$%@#) I think I am 133 134 posting such bs 135 136 .... people do WEIRD things when they're put in the position of havig 137 nothing to lose 138 010=Usr:322 Stray Cat 06/13/91 09:08 Msg:6183 Call:35534 Lines:4 139 140 Hmmmmmmmmm ... Maybe Atlas will really shrug and drop the world on the 141 vipers below! 142 011=Usr:322 Stray Cat 06/13/91 21:01 Msg:6185 Call:35541 Lines:7 143 144 @_)(&$%^!@#(!@#(@)(!*&!&@%#(!#&!_*#_!)(#@*!_#!&%#!@_!*&$@~&^%@(&~^ 145 146 It is wiser to be hendubious than cocksure. 147 148 @)(&#$%!)#&_()*$)+($@)*^#)!^#_(@*$+@$%_+)(#|!^%@#~$@~^)&^&%$&@OM2 149 012=Usr:322 Stray Cat 06/14/91 07:48 Msg:6187 Call:35547 Lines:44 150 151 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 152 IMAGINE 153 154 Imagine there's no heaven 155 It's easy if you try 156 No hell below us 157 Above us only sky 158 159 Imagine all the people 160 Living for today 161 162 Imagine there's no country 163 It isn't hard to do 164 Nothing to kill or die for 165 And no religion too 166 167 Imagine all the people 168 Living life in peace 169 170 You may say I'm a dreamer 171 But I'm not the only one 172 Hope someday you'll join us 173 And the world will be one 174 175 Imagine no possessions 176 I wonder if we can 177 No need for greed or hunger 178 A Brotherhood of Man 179 180 Imagie all the people 181 Sharig all the world 182 183 You may say I'm a dreamer 184 But I'm not the only one 185 I hope you'll join us 186 and the world will be one 187 188 John Lennon 189 190 oops ... looks like the n's are missing. 191 192 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 193 013=Usr:92 Katherine Dohert 06/14/91 08:59 Msg:6188 Call:35549 Lines:8 194 *****kathyD***memrsince84?********carlmaldenreporting********* 195 I have the UUCP Blues today, major amounts of energy and anger 196 directed towards a stupid little modem and a stupid 286box with 197 **oheren* unix installed, this little test message to you is 198 making me even crazier because of all the garbage characters that 199 I keep having to delete off the screen as I type, I think this 200 is a major part of the problem. aurgg 201 ********************************kathyD*************************** 014=Usr:322 Stray Cat 06/14/91 10:13 Msg:6189 Call:35553 Lines:7 202 203 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 204 205 .... AND you can't blindfold Justice by pulling the wool over her eyes. 206 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 207 208 015=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 06/15/91 11:41 Msg:6191 Call:35572 Lines:7 209 *_)@#$*%_)@(%_)(!(#_)(%()_(_~)(#_)(%(@_)(_)(%$@%(_(%@+_)_+!)$_@#+(%_)%(_)(%%() 210 AD: You could be right, but don't you think the show is dead? ABC won't 211 renew, and I don't think it is the kind of "safe" stuff that another network 212 like FOX would ever pick up. Better check out alt.tv and see what the masses 213 say... 214 *%_)@*%_%*)@#)%*_)!$(_)@#%*_) L'homme sans Parity *%_*%_)($!_)($_)%*_%*@_%*@_ 215 016=Usr:549 alan kennedy 06/16/91 01:59 Msg:6193 Call:35582 Lines:6 216 ||||||||| 217 Phoenix-I too have been experiencing the more off than on. I have been in and 218 out of the Inn since about '84. This phone number is the only one I still have 219 memorized from back then. Anyone else out there? 220 THE GRIZZLY 221 |||||||| 017=Usr:4 Milchar 06/16/91 16:14 Msg:6195 Call:35591 Lines:3 222 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 223 Yes, we're out here... but we lurk a lot, too. -Milch 224 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 018=Usr:549 alan kennedy 06/16/91 23:33 Msg:6196 Call:35596 Lines:1 225 lurk 019=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/17/91 20:33 Msg:6199 Call:35607 Lines:41 226 &*&*&*&*'s 227 L'homme, yes its more or less dead. I think the chances of a wrap up movie 228 are somewhat decent though. 229 230 The more I think about it, the easier it becomes to take. They had sunk so 231 low (In my opinion) as to have cooper foolishly give in to his darkside, 232 when there was every indication that he had learned his lesson already, and 233 that he would when faced with he challange make the right choice. The 234 thought of watching CooBer kill people and make asses of people through the 235 first seven or so episodes of the now canceled 3rd season just makes me 236 sick. 237 238 I know that I'm sounding a lot like the many dweebs that criticize the show, 239 but I really do feel cheated. They let me down, and not for the first time. 240 In time I've been able to forgive them in the past (Either what they did 241 made a disturbing sort of sense, or I waited it out and eventually it got 242 resolved.) But I really suspect that this was the last straw. Even if the 243 show had come back, I don't think I'd have been watching. 244 245 As of now I watch NO TV nothing. I don't even care to deal with the uneven 246 quality of STTNG anymore. I never seem to remember the Simpsons (1 half 247 hour show a week is easily forgotten). 248 249 Thought extreme, I'm not alone in my view. Most of the people I know 250 have been in a steady downward spiral of TV viewing for several years. I 251 don't doubt that most of them will bottom out at absolute 0 as I have. These 252 are inteligent, well educated people. Not all of them in the Computing field 253 either. What the H*ll has happaned? Even cable doesn't draw me anymore. 254 Its expensive, and all it is is the same old stuff over and over again. 255 Guligans Island was a classic, but how many times can you watch it before 256 memorizing the half dozen plots they repeated over and over again. 257 258 Oh well, enough of my rant for now. Maybe its good that I don't watch any 259 more TV. But a little bit of me worries that this is just another sign 260 of the steadily increasing alianation of the Haves and the Have nots, the 261 educated and the illiterate(Hope I spelled that right. :-), and the future 262 and the past. 263 264 An Astral Dreamer(All in all, its just another rant in the WALL) 265 &*&*&*&*'s 266 020=Usr:9 Pamela Coleman 06/17/91 23:25 Msg:6200 Call:35610 Lines:3 267 ......................................................................... 268 Just skating 'round the edges... as usual... safer that way. 269 ........................................................................P 021=Usr:267 phoenix polymorp 06/18/91 19:53 Msg:6203 Call:35625 Lines:2 270 Why did she move without telling me? 271 Phoenix 022=Usr:571 Tomasz Fijak 06/21/91 09:26 Msg:6207 Call:35677 Lines:5 272 Well today is the first day of summer .I seen the sun for 5 minutes this morn- 273 ing .Isn't it great the rain and all. I love the rain it makes me gloomy 274 and (un) happy . I hope it snows tomarrow . Welcome summer even if she 275 is'nt at the door yet.the party is just barely 32 deg f. but low beware 276 cursing summer for being late. The dog days are yet to come ! 023=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 06/22/91 14:45 Msg:6208 Call:35703 Lines:23 277 *%_)@*%_($!)%#$^_+)+#_%*@)+_(!+$(@#_+^(#$^*_)(+_@!#$)+%^*@+_%*+_($@_+$)+_#%*+_$ 278 AD: I know your frustration with TV. I agree with most of it. I like cable 279 because I get to see the many movies that I never get to see in the theater. I 280 used to go out to 2-3 movies a week. When another who is no longer among the 281 BW-us used to work at the Eastgate, I saw movies there all the time. Once 282 again, social entropy takes its toll. I think I have only seen 2 or 3 movies 283 in a theater this year. If it weren't for cable, I would be totally out of 284 touch with the movies being made. I also enjoy watching older films, either 285 seeing them again or for the first time. As far as network TV goes, I watch(ed) 286 TP, STTNG, Late Night (I still get a laugh!) and occasionally The Tonight 287 Show. Quantum Leap is pretty good, but it hasn't been on in awhile (at least 288 not that I have seen). I don't get a paper so I don't get the TV listings. I 289 find myself listening to more and more music. I just bought a new car stereo 290 with a CD player and I haven't even tuned any PDX stations in yet. sigh... 291 We are becoming pop-culture hermits, at least as far as television goes :-) 292 A disappointing thing about life and growing up and old. We have less and 293 less time to do the things that we really enjoy. Maybe I am being too 294 presumptuous: The "we" should be "I". I don't get as many chances to simply 295 enjoy things as much as I used to. Life can be like a vicious cycle, consuming 296 more and more time and energy for the task of getting to the next level 297 of consumption. Oh oh, philosophy alert. Better hang it up for now... 298 *$%)@#*%_)@#*%_)*$!_)#*%_)!*$%_ L'homme sans Parity *$_)*$@$*(_)~#(_)$*!_)$*~$^ 299 024=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 06/23/91 16:11 Msg:6209 Call:35711 Lines:2 300 Now entering Super Lurk Mode. 301 025=Usr:267 phoenix polymorp 06/23/91 17:08 Msg:6210 Call:35712 Lines:1 302 >>>>>PHOENIXLURK>>>>> 026=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/25/91 06:56 Msg:6213 Call:35739 Lines:6 303 &*&*&*&*'s 304 just lurking. 305 306 An Astral Dreamer (5 more lines added) 307 &*&*&*&*'s 308 027=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 06/25/91 11:43 Msg:6214 Call:35743 Lines:5 309 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Just Lurking Byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy 310 311 There is no message, only lurk. 312 313 KKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | kruL sdrawkcaBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB 028=Usr:121 Hamfred Gammidge 06/25/91 11:48 Msg:6215 Call:35744 Lines:7 314 315 This is a test of the Emergency Lurking Network. This is only a test... 316 317 LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK 318 319 Had this been an actual lurk, the preceeding line would not have been followed 320 by any message. This concludes this test of the Emergency Lurking Network. 029=Usr:322 Stray Cat 06/26/91 10:31 Msg:6217 Call:35764 Lines:8 321 322 =========================An Pythian Games Continue ================ 323 324 And it's either one way or the oth. But Wait said the Chariot driver 325 can never answers the questions of thHP. 326 327 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@And thth! 328 030=Usr:121 Hamfred Gammidge 06/26/91 22:23 Msg:6218 Call:35768 Lines:2 329 Meta-Lurk 330 031=Usr:31 The Doctor 06/27/91 14:07 Msg:6219 Call:35774 Lines:7 331 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 332 My, my, my....I think I finally got the time circuits functioning properly. 333 Now, by the readings this should be 1989 and it should be as if I never 334 left.....What!?! This isn't the same Backwater I knew....What's that K-9? 335 It's 1991? Well, of course it is! I knew that! Things really have 336 changed.....yet stayed the same....... 337 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????? The Doctor 032=Usr:549 alan kennedy 06/28/91 21:43 Msg:6220 Call:35801 Lines:3 338 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 339 Doctor- who? 340 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||grizzly|||||||||||||||||||||| 033=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/30/91 12:08 Msg:6222 Call:35821 Lines:9 341 &*&*&*&*'s 342 all logged in, and nothing much to say. 343 344 In fact, nothig at all. 345 346 An Astral Dreamer (On an non ansi terminal) 347 &*&*&*&*'s 348 349 034=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 06/30/91 19:42 Msg:6223 Call:35823 Lines:4 350 *%_)*%_)(!#$()@#%*%&*^_)#%*_)!($()_)~#(_%*@_%^*@#%*@#)(%#()_#($(()$$*#@_)$@ 351 AD: Is that all you have to say??? :-) Must be TP withdrawl... 352 *_$%@#*%_)@#%(_)!@(%$_)!@#*% L'homme sans Parity *%#_*%_)(_$(_$*_!#%&*_)$*() 353 035=Usr:578 M. Bell 07/02/91 11:13 Msg:6225 Call:35857 Lines:6 354 ------------------------ 355 Well, well. Backwater still lives! Nice to see that some things do stay 356 the same. :-) 357 358 M. 359 ------------------------ 036=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 07/03/91 10:37 Msg:6226 Call:35865 Lines:10 360 &*&*&*&*'s 361 Not much Twin Peaks withdrawel here actually. What with all the 362 hiatusing ABS subjected it to, I was able to withdraw relativly 363 safely. :-) 364 365 Just havn't had much to say. Oh well, I'm going to be out of town for a 366 few days, maybe my mind will start working again. 367 368 mke 369 &*&*&*&*'s 037=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 07/04/91 12:31 Msg:6227 Call:35877 Lines:42 370 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==== 371 372 Gracious! The Backwater is still alive and lurking! Will wonders never cease/ 373 374 I'm just barely functioning on a seven year-old modem that literally needs 375 tape and bailing wire and a monitor that won't show me what I've typed... but 376 I'm here... Isn't paying for College a dream and a half? 377 378 Astral Dreamer: *Twin Peaks* withdrawal shouldn't be too rough on you. 379 ACCESS (tm) GUIDES just did a TP guide book with some data on what we saw in 380 the season finale (and I do mean finale) and Pocket has committed to doing 381 more 'literature' in the future by at least four more books/diaries/whatever. 382 And there's always the bubble-gum cards if you're really hard-up for it... :) 383 384 On another note, what does everyone think of the singular BEST and WORST 385 film of the summer, *Terminator 2: Judgement Day*? 386 387 *****Paradoxes*****... -Grrrrrr!- Perhaps someone should go back in time 388 to prevent Cameron from writing the ening to T2 the way he did. 389 390 Still, all is not lost for those die-hard 'Doom & Gloom' types such as 391 myself who actually LIKED the idea of the timeline staying the way it is. 392 All SKYNET has to do is send another T-1000 back to take the placeof the 393 now-dead professor, who suddenly won't NEED the Terminator parts to build 394 the supercomputer. 395 396 I think it would be most interesting if it turned out that the T-1000 didn't 397 die, after all. Once it cools, it could end up being the driving force 398 that makes sure SKYNET comes to life. In fact, it might even turn out that 399 T-1000 is the actual sentience that BECOMES SKYNET eventually. 400 401 It'd be a twist, I think. 402 403 Your thoughts on the subject? You don't actually LIKE the idea of changing the 404 chronology like Sarah thinks she did, do you? 405 406 Nice to see Pyrrixall still functioning. Now all we have to do iis sweep up... 407 408 #Commence Purification Program (1) on your signal, Commander Zephyr...# 409 410 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==Zephyr::=====Support ... Well, Me!::::==== 411 038=Usr:579 Jason McCallum 07/04/91 16:39 Msg:6228 Call:35880 Lines:3 412 To sysop 413 414 What exactly is here? 039=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 07/07/91 14:54 Msg:6230 Call:35914 Lines:6 415 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | I gotta get a new border............. 416 417 Yah know, for this board to have a user list with 579 users, it sure seems 418 do have a small number who actually post. 419 420 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | New border anyone??????????????????????? 040=Usr:549 alan kennedy 07/08/91 08:47 Msg:6231 Call:35919 Lines:1 421 LUrkINg CaN MaKE YOu CraZy 041=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 07/09/91 07:35 Msg:6232 Call:35944 Lines:6 422 &*&*&*&*'s 423 My BBS is back. Call 2288506. Full time, 300-2400 baud. 424 425 An Astral Dreamer 426 &*&*&*&*'s 427 042=Usr:322 Stray Cat 07/11/91 16:43 Msg:6233 Call:35986 Lines:38 428 429 Geesh, WILL IT **EVER** end???? Is it even POSSIBLE we'll now have new and 430 additional witch hunts at PPS? The morning paper seems to indicate the Sch 431 Board NOW wats to go after all those "undesirable/unit" PPS teachers. Wonder 432 if they'll use Eval. Dept. "records -- the ones PAT stated on cable (with 433 Mr. Rieke present) ABSOLUTELY COULDN'T be used for making those kinds of 434 decisions -- or whether they'll just turn the entire district over to 435 free-for-all gang warfare, with administrators v teachers/teachers v 436 teachers/parents v teachers, administrations, schools/parents v parents/ 437 schools v school/dists. v dists/dists v state, etc. We can only hope PAT 438 isn't as depraved as the classified staff's union seemed to be. 439 440 In "reality" (in any really exists), this sounds like just another Board 441 attempt to glaze over NOT ONLY 1) taxpayer reaction to the recent insulting 442 statements by certain administrators (we're all idiots, you know) that 443 current reports criticizing their performance wa actually praising them 444 because a) not only were they already doing what was recommended but that 445 b) it was all they COULD do within state guidelines BUT 2) the already 446 long-standing administrative problems that have plagued tis "monster boy" 447 police state originally set up previous to Dr. Prophet's arrival (with the 448 help of such long-time Board members as "to-be-"elected"-this-evening" 449 new Board Chairman "Joe" Rieke [is former board member Mary Rieke, who 450 has a "school" named after her, related or WHAT???] and designed to keep 451 employees and the public in a state of perpetual mystification. Like this 452 city really needs MORE war zones ... and students ADDITIONAL role models 453 for gang warfare. 454 455 And it's funny ... I don't recall "reports" of the report issued by the 456 PPS-appointed/(paid?) Stife Commitee stating there WAS a problems with 457 district TEACHERS. They did, however, cite problems with central 458 administration. So why isn't THAT problem resolved before teacher witch 459 hunts are instituted? Now *I* happen to tink (although I prefer to bypass 460 the brain whenever possible) that 461 462 1) IF teachers had administrators who ENCOURAGED them to work together 463 rather than isolating them in fraagmented/alientated groups/gangs; AND 464 465 2) If teachers had adminstrators that didn't perpetuate 043=Usr:322 Stray Cat 07/11/91 17:00 Msg:6234 Call:35987 Lines:51 466 467 a) the use of mandated ILLOGICAL/IRRATIONAL ... <-- I know, I know 468 ... these terms refer strictly to hysterical women (worse terms 469 if you happen to be middle-aged) **NOT** wealthy white males; OR 470 471 b) the unfair, inconsistent management tactics designed to conceal 472 the real causes of te resulting messes from the confused chaos 473 necessitated by the need for persistent mystification to maintain 474 "order" 475 476 the ENTIRE STAFF might be able to function better and might actually 477 find they LIKE each other! 478 479 But since school is out for the summer and the Board will probably also 480 take a couple of months off, why don't we all get some activist practice 481 by participating in the investigation/scrutinization of tese same sorts 482 of tactics being used by the "monster boy mafias/networked Athenahoods" 483 at the City of Portland who will, if you have enough money or prove other- 484 wise useful, will gladly start/maintain for long periods a civil war and 485 victimize the "chosen" from in your neighborhood (and TRY to get a lawyer 486 if your "chosen and aren't a billionaire ... an eye-opening experience, 487 let me warn you) ... just ANOTHER group we "pay" to abuse us to we can, 488 i frustration then ager, turn in around to self-abuse then abuse of others 489 ... generally anyone weaker, sicker, poorer, lowlier or more undesirable/ 490 unfit bur primarily women/wifes/full-time-working-mothers/slaves (who 491 traditionally work insanely hard in hectic environments, earn shamefully 492 littlen then retreat to tiny "castles" for the evening to another 493 full-time underrated/unappreciated job), CHILDREN, and the handicapped 494 and elderly. 495 496 But if that's not enough abuse, may you ca arrange to PAY your union 497 (like I was requied to do) to blatantly harrass and humiliate you. A 498 good summer project for PPS teachers, in all that spare time too many 499 bureaucrats think is unnecessary and SOME misinformed taxpayers also 500 seem to resent, might be to find all the loopholes in your contract before 501 a new, possibly even WORSE one is signed in the fall ... if it's anything 502 likek the old classified staff's contract it's been PACKED with 503 madeningly insulting, blairing betrayals. 504 505 Overall, I think the questions we need to be asking ouselves now is how 506 much more "control" over our quality of life we are willing to confer to 507 these gangster grops and how much more insultingly abuse we are going to 508 allow them to get??? If things don't start improving shortly, who knows, 509 maybe some time soon our young street gangsters/gansterettes will finally 510 deduce how ridiculous it is to be taking their frustrations out on each 511 other (and anybody forced to reside in those already deliberately mained 512 neighborhoods) and stat targeting the REAL troublemakers. I'm afraid the 513 bread and circus brainwash can't maintain this insanity too much longer; 514 the "bread" is runing and andn slave labor is tiring of the zoo reality/ 515 mentality. 516 044=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 07/11/91 20:17 Msg:6235 Call:35990 Lines:34 517 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Aint America Grand????????????????? 518 519 Whaddya expect from a country that spends more of the taxpayer's hard 520 earned dollars on its military than on its system of public education? 521 While we're so worried about the rising price of oil and the affairs of 522 the Middle East, we've completely forgotten that it is the intelligence 523 of our people that gives us an edge over other nations. Yankee know-how 524 has become completely forgotten. For the first time in the history of this 525 nation, a generation isn't going to exceed its predecessors in intellect. 526 I find that rather disturbing. The war in the gulf proved that ultra-tech 527 is militarily viable. However, no matter how much we spend on the 528 military, we'll still lose the ultratech edge if we haven't t know-wot 529 to improve it over that of our adversaries. 530 I suppose, though, that this problem is not just the government's 531 fault. I guess a lot of it has to do with the allready high level of 532 technical advancement in this country. We no longer truly value 533 intellect for its own sake. From my personal observations, people today 534 don't want to expend the effort to learn. Americans feel that it isn't 535 important for them to know how things work, just what buttons to press 536 in order to get it to work. I am just glad I'm not one of them. I 537 believe that knowledge is power. If I know why and how something works, 538 it gives me an advantage over those who don't and don't feel any 539 inclination to learn. This is why I respect, though I *DON'T* approve, 540 of hackers, crackers, virus writers, and fone phreaks. They, at least, 541 have the drive to learn, and to put their knowledge to a use (albeit 542 a distasteful and wasteful one). This puts them at a plave above the 543 common chattel that they victimize, and who haven't the intellect to 544 stop them. It is true that your average anarchist is more intelligent 545 than your average John Q. Public. 546 I ramble though. I also seriously doubt that anyone here even read what 547 I just wrote, but I needed to write it for my own sake, not the reader's. 548 (Though if the reader profits from the reading, then that is good too.) 549 550 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Rebel without a clue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 045=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 07/12/91 06:41 Msg:6236 Call:35992 Lines:30 551 &*&*&*&*'s 552 Kurfur, I read what you said. 553 554 On the subject of evaluation department records being used to evaluate 555 teachers. That would be a bad thing. A very bad thing. (Note this is all 556 my opinion, and should not be in anyway taken to have anything to do with 557 anybody who has real power, which I most certainly do NOT. Heck, I don't 558 even really know whats going on directly.) 559 560 High stakes testing (Which is what evaluationg teachers through test 561 performance.) Is a bad thing. It makes them hostile towards the test, 562 encourages them to teach to the test, and thus undermines greatly the 563 usefullness of the test. 564 565 Please note that in the past, it has been district policy not to do this 566 sort of thing (Note however that I have heard rumours of it going on. ) 567 568 The biggest failing of the Research and Evaluation departments of PPS in 569 my opinion has been our inability to educate people as to the proper use 570 of our data. Teachers are not required to take even one class on test 571 theory before getting their certificate in this state (And don't they 572 spend a good deal of time creating and giving their own tests?) Many 573 administrators have the same problem. This leads to abuse and 574 misunderstanding. 575 576 Time for me to get to work. Maybe I'll write more later. 577 578 An Astral Dreamer 579 &*&*&*&*'s 580 046=Usr:322 Stray Cat 07/12/91 07:32 Msg:6237 Call:35993 Lines:4 581 582 Gag order'back in place???? 583 584 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 047=Usr:322 Stray Cat 07/12/91 07:53 Msg:6238 Call:35994 Lines:17 585 Isn't anybody else sick of the wthe way the Frank Gable case is being 586 publicly conducted, or does everybody just get weird vicarious thrills from 587 it. The more we let things like this go by, the worse this society is going 588 to get. Hope you all have your day with the likes of those psychiatriest, 589 "monster boys" who are allowed to say about anythings they please. Per- 590 sonally, I think they're jealous Mr. Gable cn attract such intelligent, good 591 looking women. 592 593 And it seems the Naitos are at it again. Got a good glimps from PJ on just 594 how the whole crime ring operates. Metro gets a bid to refurbish Bill Scott's 595 building that's 2-1/2 times what they say they can afford ... then they get the 596 Naitos to crunch that number down to, I bet, just under two times as much and 597 consider it a fabulous "deal." I would imagine APP and 1st Interstate have 598 alot to say about it too! SOS. 599 600 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The Mystification Continues~~~~~~~~~~ 601 048=Usr:322 Stray Cat 07/12/91 09:10 Msg:6239 Call:35995 Lines:17 602 603 If Mr. Naito and Mr. Scott are as civic-minded as they like to make themselves 604 out as, why don't they forget about glitzy new offices for Metro in the Sears 605 building and donate the money towards making Martin Luther King Blvd. next 606 year's Street of Dreams. Or at the least, since Mr. Scott has shown such 607 concern about the school district having served on Board and all, being one 608 of those who voted to fire Dr. Blanchard who died shortly thereafter but who 609 left the person they knew damn well RAN the district there (a move made just 610 to make it look like they were doing SOMETHING about the problems, why don't 611 they renovate it for the school district offices. Administrative offices are 612 scattered all around the city and there's currently little or very inconven- 613 ient parking at the building they rent right now and it becomes very frustra- 614 ting for employees who have to attend meetings there ... especially teachers 615 who have very little time out of class but are required to large segments 616 of time hunting a parking space just to attend a meeting. It also makes 617 for poor communication between administrative offices. 618 049=Usr:583 Grim Reaper 07/12/91 12:55 Msg:6240 Call:35999 Lines:29 619 DEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEADEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATH 620 621 Hello, one and all. My name is Grim Reaper, and I doubt any of you know me. I 622 am new to the Portland BBS scene, however I am veteran in Seattle (known then 623 as Zaphod Beeblebrox). From<- From what I can tell, you are in need of a good 624 story, nad I believe that I have one for you 625 626 Here we go. 627 628 <- Diana walked around the tall structure. The imoo<- i<- imposing stone tow 629 towere <- tower stood well over a hundred feet tall, and s<- as far as she coul 630 d tell, it had no door. 631 She naturally assumed somehow that a door would be in evidence, but when you de 632 al wih<- aith a <- with a magician, who can tell. A deep rumbling in the sky a 633 bove her caused her to look about in concern, but it was only a storm, not the 634 wizard returning. She naturally assumed that he would be pissed off about this 635 pesky<- pesky woman lurking about his home. 636 <- She looked down at the shining object in her hand. It was the shape of an 637 egg, with a little cur<- crusifix on top, and it was about 8 inches long. 638 <- The mad who had given it to her (the man, not the mad), had said the<- that 639 she mustcount to three then throw the egg (which he had called a Holy Hand Gren 640 ade) and then run away very fast. Diana had rather been counting on a door to 641 thro<- thrw it into, but perhaps that high window would do. 642 She had a girevance with this magia<- magician, as he had recently ... 643 644 Cont<- Continue at will, 645 Grim Reaper 646 647 DEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEARHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATH 050=Usr:322 Stray Cat 07/13/91 11:11 Msg:6241 Call:36007 Lines:11 648 649 Jeesh, makes you wanna read those "other" entries on the board ... but think 650 I'll wait awhile or else I might lose my nerve. 651 652 But think I will write a letter to the editors of some Baltimore newspapers 653 regarding the "whole" story behind the APP and see if that's actually the 654 way they want to run their city. Reminds me of PPS's self-generate 655 reports on their international successess, especially with regard to their 656 uses of their testing "program." 657 658 . 051=Usr:322 Stray Cat 07/13/91 13:05 Msg:6242 Call:36009 Lines:12 659 &^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^ 660 661 Does anybody know where Randi Nalon Posts came from anyway. It just 662 occurs to me she arrived just abot the same time the new director of 663 personnel McElroy brought in from out of state after Supt. Blanchard 664 was fired. Randi's from out of state, too, and for some reason never 665 really seemed like just a "secretary." 666 667 This was all about time time PFT replaced PAT representation. 668 669 ^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^& 670 052=Usr:322 Stray Cat 07/13/91 21:12 Msg:6243 Call:36013 Lines:6 671 672 Yeah, Baltimore's interesting in competing with us to become one of the 673 top 10 crime cities in the nation and they want to know the secret of 674 retaining political control through maintaining a high crime rate (and 675 homeless rate, too ... they make the us "poor" people feel privileged). 676 053=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 07/13/91 22:29 Msg:6244 Call:36015 Lines:23 677 &*&*&*&*'s 678 Sigh, slaming the testin program again. I suppose the fact that IS highly 679 respected throughout the world isn't in any way important. I suppose the 680 fact that it is bassed in something as concrete as statistics and calculas 681 lends it zero validity. I suppose the fact that it allows teachers to 682 track a students progress over time, guage it against other students, etc. 683 is of no relavence? 684 685 I could go on. Suffice it to say that I find your constant Goble like 686 slaming of PPS to be both boring and non productive. How about some 687 solid documented facts? Do you even have clue one as to what the testing 688 program is desingned to do? Can you describe to me what a scale is? 689 How change over time is measured? What an adaptive test is? 690 691 Its not the testing program that most people object to, Its their ignorent 692 and misinformed perception of it that they have the problem with. 693 694 As ussual, I speak only for myself. 695 696 An Astral Dreamer 697 &*&*&*&*'s 698 699@first last 054=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 07/14/91 11:57 Msg:6245 Call:36021 Lines:5 700 *%_#*)%@)*_)#*(_)~!(#(_)_)_)*_)@*_)($#@(%$!+@)$+!_@)$+_@*_)*%!($_+!@($+_*%_)%@ 701 voyeur: Do you still lurk around these here parts? I was in your neighborhood 702 yesterday, and saw your car parked in the garage... 703 *)$#*@!_$)(*_)*$_#&%^_)($_)_)!$*$ L'homme sans Parity *_)*($_)(_)($*$)*($()$(! 704 055=Usr:322 Stray Cat 07/15/91 10:51 Msg:6246 Call:36039 Lines:4 705 706 I was hoping not to have to stoop so low as to revert to Sarah Newhall 707 stories just to prove a point ... 708 056=Usr:549 alan kennedy 07/15/91 22:52 Msg:6247 Call:36058 Lines:10 709 Re>School systems and the government- 710 What do you expect of a business which hasn't changed its policies in two 711 hundred years. 712 713 To Grim Reaper, 714 You wouldn't happen to know Portland BBSer Phil Beeble would you? He has been 715 around for about four or five years. 716 717 The Grizzly 718 057=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 07/16/91 22:51 Msg:6249 Call:36070 Lines:7 719 &*&*&*&*'s 720 Another lurk. 721 722 (More or less.) 723 An Astral Dreamer 724 &*&*&*&*'s 725 058=Usr:583 Grim Reaper 07/17/91 00:43 Msg:6250 Call:36071 Lines:22 726 DEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATH... etc. 727 728 well, I don't know of anyone named Phil Beeble, but for a while I was 729 Zaphod Beeblebrox.... -=<)ZB(>=- But that was a long time ago (for me) 730 Here in Portland I'm very new. I've actually been living here for 731 two years, but just got seriously into my modem about a week ago. 732 I had dabbled a bit before, but nothing serious... 733 734 all in all, I'm not real wired (not weird) about this whole thing, as I g 735 get to go off to Germany for a year and enjoy a little personal abuse 736 there (school), which will do nothing for my newly rediscovered BBS addiction 737 738 I do know someone (indirectly of course) named Merciless Quimby Snatch who 739 apparently decided to show up in Seattle (my old home) on the BBS's about 740 the time I left... and he's incredibly annoying from what I've heard. 741 Hmmmmmm... and now for something, completely different, 742 743 this is how you really spell Robert... Reaughbherrrhyt and Freddy... 744 Phreadddhie and of course Macintosh... Nastyviralshitfromanasinine- 745 companywithgangreneofthehead I love my new spelling system. 746 747 DEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATH you get the idea... 059=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 07/17/91 11:02 Msg:6251 Call:36077 Lines:14 748 :::::=====:::::=====Zephyrlurk 749 THERE IS NO FUTURE IN PROGRESS... 750 751 Read it any way you like. 752 753 754 And, as long as we're throwing random debates out onto the floor, does anyone 755 out there have even the most remote thought on the Great and Powerful OCA (pay 756 no attention to the bigot behind the sheet) and their Amazing Petition? 757 758 Please excuse the line noise. 759 760 :::::=====:::::=====Zephyrlurk-END 761 060=Usr:322 Stray Cat 07/19/91 20:07 Msg:6256 Call:36115 Lines:10 762 763 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ 764 *)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) 765 766 I see Ruth Scott is no longer president or chairman of the APP. They just 767 held election. They got a high-powered land developer now! These city 768 slickers sure on cozy ... she's Bill Scott's wife. 769 770 *(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)] 771 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ 061=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 07/21/91 21:14 Msg:6257 Call:36120 Lines:5 772 After a system failure, bwii seems to be back up with 773 little worse for wear. I didn`t find anything specifically 774 wrong, but it just would not boot. So I just replaced the 775 disks and crossed my fingers. 776 ************************** CM *********************************** 062=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 07/21/91 21:25 Msg:6258 Call:36121 Lines:61 777 &*&*&*&*'s 778 Good to see it back. Seems to me that I havn't babled on here for awhile. 779 780 Hard to think of things to talk about. I think that may be one of our 781 biggest problems in this day and age. We are all so used to being 782 overwhelmed by the media machine, that we have problems forming long 783 lasting relationships. 784 785 What I mean by this, is that the media provides us with tons of input. 786 Ignoring for a moment the quality of this input, lets consider the 787 implications this has. We are used to being able to turn on the 788 TV, or the radio, or go to the movies. There we are entertained. It 789 seems safe to assume that the quality of the entertainment provided 790 must atleast be tolerable, since we keep going back. Now, how many 791 people are there keeping this media machine going? Hundreds of 792 thousends atleast. 793 794 So, what does this have to do with relationships? (Relationships 795 is defined here as meaning human interaction, in case anybody is 796 confused.) Have you ever noticed that the longer you have known 797 a person, the less you have to say to them? Until you meet maybe 798 two or three times a year, say hello, chat for an hour or so, and 799 go your seperate ways? You may have been the best of friends, 800 yet you hardly ever see each other. Why? I believe it is because 801 we interact for the most part to entertain, or be entertained. 802 803 Cynical? Perhaps. Given time, even the best of stories can become 804 boring. And the interactive stories that we right as our lives are 805 I believe no different. Why should they be. All is human experiance. 806 Perhaps this is what Shakespere meant when he said "All the world is 807 a stage..." (Gosh, I hope it was Shakespere.) 808 809 And so we run franticly from character to character, trying desperatly 810 to gain the perfect role, to play the perfect part, to be the central 811 player. We all live with our own tradgadies, comodys and adventures. 812 But is the play the true meaning? I think not. 813 814 I believe that it is the play that distracts us. Draws us in, and 815 all to ofteen, destroys us. The roles we choose for ourselves are 816 to ofteen overly constrained, and without usefull purpose. It is 817 not unusual for the simple formation of a goal to strive for to 818 be beyond us. And even when the goal is invisioned, it is seldom 819 atained. 820 821 Why then do we play the game? Is it because we must? Are we all part 822 of some cosmic machine? Biological parts in a rather simplistic and 823 stuborn Neural Net? Are we meerly part of some huge soap opera, 824 conceived of and set in motion by creatures we could not begin to 825 comprehend? 826 827 I do not believe it matters. If we must play the game, then let us 828 choose for ourselves roles which are not standard. Let us find ways 829 to play between the rules, and make our own. Let us know that we have 830 lived, and in living shaped the landscape around us in a positive way. 831 832 And, perhaps by being different, by creating, we will not loose each 833 other. 834 835 An Astral Dreamer (Never could be this verbose in English classes.) 836 &*&*&*&*'s 837 063=Usr:322 Stray Cat 07/22/91 04:38 Msg:6259 Call:36125 Lines:22 838 839 840 Is anybody else screaming about the raised sewer charges and the new fascist 841 stream cleanup program that those raised charges will support? They have 842 grants for Fanno and Johnson Creeks where the wealthy can have the city come 843 in and place beautiful large rocks and probably "native plants" and place 844 park benches in their probably fenced in yards. Then they're gonna required 845 the rest of creek residents to do the same ... on their own money (not the 846 plants or benches, of course). 847 848 Then they're going to encourge neighbors to rat on each other if they don't 849 feel the creek is being maintained well enough. THey'll probably start 850 giving "tickets" (like the OLCC) and then the wealthy will sue the less wealthy 851 for damage to what the city did for them free by those whohave neither the 852 time nor money to "redo" their creek area into something out of some fancy 853 garden architectural magazine. 854 855 856 Paranoid, you say? You bet!!! I've been through it with the city and 857 neighbors about a creek. I ought to write a book about the maneuvers 858 I experience in this regard. 859 064=Usr:322 Stray Cat 07/22/91 04:52 Msg:6260 Call:36126 Lines:6 860 861 And don't you resent being "primed" for weeks by touching little stream 862 cleanup segments just previous to the City's Environmental Services sending 863 out their 4-page brochure? In hindsight the "turd" story was probably just 864 a forerunner to this campaign. 865 065=Usr:322 Stray Cat 07/22/91 04:56 Msg:6261 Call:36127 Lines:17 866 867 @_)(#$*%^&@#$&@_)($*^!#%(@$(*%@(@&#$^%#_!#_!(_#@%^%@$(@++!@#*^$@&_$+!(#^%#$@! 868 869 Huh. Maybe I can be the first to report a crime in this regard. THe city 870 has NEVER maintained the creek area in the right away, even after they 871 insisted I donate 150 872 feet of my front yard to construct a ditch in my creek beek 150' long, 873 6-8feet deep, and 15' across ... for which I am now liable. This was done 874 to drain a 40-house development not even on the creek. And for this, I 875 got absolutely no compensation (the deed-holder was a lawyer and the ex- 876 developer an ex-professional football player). 877 878 I tried to get two lawyers to help me at the time, but you know how THOSE 879 things go. I never stood a chance. 880 881 !_)(*!#@^&)^#)$_@($_!#^%@_*#$_(+!)(+@#!*^%(^%!#!$+_@)(#$&!&#^%^&_(@#$_!% 882 066=Usr:578 M. Bell 07/22/91 12:33 Msg:6262 Call:36139 Lines:7 883 --- 884 Unless they (the city) had a legal document requiring you to dig the ditch, 885 you should have told them to piss off. Maybe you should fill it back in and 886 see what they do. . . 887 888 M. 889 --- 067=Usr:322 Stray Cat 07/22/91 18:18 Msg:6263 Call:36147 Lines:1 890 068=Usr:322 Stray Cat 07/22/91 23:49 Msg:6264 Call:36153 Lines:25 891 892 ************************************************************************** 893 894 This sewer/storm drain issue IS interesting. When Earl Blumenauer's 895 department repaved part of Barbur Blvd. near the AM/PM market, they 896 completely remove the storm drain ... paved right over it. And in the 897 eyesore they've created across the street from it, there was whole stacks 898 of old drains. Seemed like a deliberate attempt to create problems for 899 the neighborhood who had to deal with that water that had nowhere to go. 900 A huge lack was created for a year at the north corner of the AM/PM block 901 and they finally came and took care of that problem. I think they just 902 resloped the road so the water would stay on the street and continue on 903 downhill. I wonder if they filled it the ditch, too. I'll have to check 904 tomorrow. 905 906 And it seems funny they're just NOW posting warning signs about sewage 907 going into the Willamette from downtown ... I'm sure they wouldn't be 908 doing that if they HADN'T of gotten the rate hike. I thought these 909 kinds of projects used to be taken up under local improvement districts. 910 Just having fuzzy notions of such things, it would seem to me that the 911 downtown merchants of the APP should have been charged for this. But of 912 course they have their own rate system down there. 913 914 *************************************************************************** 915 069=Usr:322 Stray Cat 07/24/91 06:40 Msg:6266 Call:36172 Lines:32 916 917 ###################################################################### 918 919 I'd notice some time back First Baptist Church & Country Club, Inc. 920 has removed the benches that were placed on SW 12th and the other 921 street running by the library (sorry, don't know the sequence of 922 downtown streets) in memory of my father and paid for by my mother. 923 I thought they'd been taken in for repair but when I called the other 924 day they stated outright they were removed so the homeless wouldn't sit 925 there. I asked in you had to be of a certain income level to sit on a 926 church bench and she said they were actually SLEEPING there and defacated 927 and urinated and stuff. I inquired if they possibly contributed to 928 shelter for them elsewhere, maybe sme other location downtown, and she 929 said they FED them instead -- twice a week. Seems to me that only adds 930 to the crap ... Interesting attitudes for a church I'd say. 931 932 So I wonder what they did with the benches. Bet they went to some APP 933 location around town or maybe to the vast Ames charity estate(s). 934 935 But I find this particularly offensive because my father's family was 936 the type to take in homeless people. His brothers all worked on the 937 railroad and the one brother he had in Portland fed and houses many 938 hobo-types over the years. Not only that, but my cousin's wife spent 939 months "on the streets" of Washington DC after she'd vacationed there 940 some years back with a Swedish exchange student they'd had for a year. 941 She couldn't believe what was happening to people and was especially 942 embarrassed it was the nation's capital. She's appeared on national 943 TV, was hired by Time-Life, does national speaking tours and has written 944 a book about it. 945 946 ######################################################################### 947 070=Usr:322 Stray Cat 07/24/91 09:00 Msg:6267 Call:36174 Lines:5 948 949 I know it's probably meaningless, but when I was in Forrest Rieke's 950 office the other day I overheard the secretary referring to a John 951 Hathaway. Her last name was McNamara. 952 071=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 07/24/91 10:43 Msg:6268 Call:36177 Lines:7 953 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==== 954 955 Hummmm... I guess the old saying that people don't worry about things that 956 don't affect them directly holds true for the Backwater. 957 958 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==zephyr::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==== 959 072=Usr:322 Stray Cat 07/24/91 14:09 Msg:6269 Call:36182 Lines:6 960 961 Why is everybody acting so schocked about the Milwaukee kid eating his 962 victims? PPS has been devouring people alive for years and way too many 963 people know it and nothing's ever done. Criminals don't receive all their 964 training at home; most socialization is done by the schools. 965 073=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 07/25/91 14:27 Msg:6271 Call:36199 Lines:7 966 &*&*&*&*'s 967 I don't know. I think you've sunk to a new low. Do you really put petty 968 politics in the same league with murder and canibalism? 969 970 An Astral Dreamer 971 &*&*&*&*'s 972 074=Usr:602 John Bach 08/16/91 04:24 Msg:6315 Call:36585 Lines:8 973 :-)(-::)-:-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::)-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-: 974 975 Howdy guys... I'm new around here... just checking things out. I believe 976 Astral dreamer knows me... 977 978 -- John B. 979 980 :-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-: 075=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 08/24/91 21:18 Msg:6343 Call:36721 Lines:1 981 this really is the last line on this disk.